Driver to drive?

[Michael A. Terrell]

Joerg wrote:

Reality though is that they have you over the barrel. It's a de-facto
monopoly. The only competition in (some parts) of our area is Comcast.
No idea if they offer usenet access but their access is quite expensive
if you don't take the whole bundle. And I won't pay one dime for cable
TV, not worth it IMHO.

I use Earthlink broadband through Brighthouse. I get 7 Mb/s and
about 20 tv channels for $64 a month. Earthlink is using Giganews as
their NNTP Server.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Martin Brown]

Joerg wrote:

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Joerg wrote:
news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

It is surprising that they kept it running that long. Most of the profit
oriented ISPs in the ROW have been quietly dropping Usenet for some
time. Most new users have no idea that Usenet exists. Google groups
hangs Usenet access off a very obscure sub-sub-menu these days.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it.
They did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Supernews.

Or Nin. Although personally I do not like their contract.

That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

My solution at for discussion groups was to subscribe to Teranews free
service. The connectivity isn't briliant when the USA is awake but it is
a single payment of some nominal amount ~$5 for a permanent ID on the
free server for the discussion groups.

https://www.supernews.com/signup/

There are other free servers available on test for a while if you don't
mind poking around. They tend to be less than entirely reliable.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Joerg]

Ecnerwal wrote:

In article <q8vXl.22054$hc1.14346@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com>,
Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Care to share which one that is? I've got to make the switch by early
July I guess :-(
...
Binaries would be nice by since Cuomo went on his little vendetta even
non-binary alt groups (I followed a few technical ones) have dropped to
anemic status. Like the home automation group. It dropped to a whiopping
five posts in a whole month.

I thought it would show up in the headers - motztarella.org

http://www.motzarella.org/

All the text alt groups, no binaries. German, so it's a taste of home
for you, perhaps? Straight up NNTP service. Terms of use that seem
reasonable (such as the .invalid at the end of my fake email, which I
think is human interpretable but should be hard for most robots).

Thanks. It routes through some Russian domain when looking in the
message source, hmm ... but otherwise looks good. How can it be free though?

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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[Joerg]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Reality though is that they have you over the barrel. It's a de-facto
monopoly. The only competition in (some parts) of our area is Comcast.
No idea if they offer usenet access but their access is quite expensive
if you don't take the whole bundle. And I won't pay one dime for cable
TV, not worth it IMHO.


I use Earthlink broadband through Brighthouse. I get 7 Mb/s and
about 20 tv channels for $64 a month. Earthlink is using Giganews as
their NNTP Server.

Well, AT&T is currently $25/mo with Usenet, pretty soon $25/mo without
Usenet. Still sounds like a better deal since I don't want the TV
channels

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joerg]

Rich Webb wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:23:34 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:17:09 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:


Caution: APN recently went _very_ erratic. APN staff fluffed me off
with, "It's EasyNews' problem", so I dropped them. I'm back to Cox.
Let me know when they get back to stable, and I'll renew ;-)
Well, a couple weeks ago (IIRC) EasyNews did go through a spate of
indexing problems, with the result that there was about an eight hour
period with no posts passed on in the groups that I follow. Not sure
what APN could do about that, though.

Since then it looks like EasyNews has been rebuilding their tree and
"touching" the groups, since the last few days have begun with a refresh
of some portion of the available groups that Hamster dutifully
downloads. I suppose *somebody* wants to have cuhk.society.softballclub
available ...

Other than that, though, it's been pretty smooth sailing.

What puzzles me is that EasyNews' simple account costs about $10/mo and
Forte APN is about $3/mo, while APN appears to get its feed from
EasyNews ...

Could have been negotiated when Forte switched their upstream from
SuperNews to EasyNews. Forte also does the accounting and billing and
probably strokes just one check, so some costs are offloaded from
EasyNews. I'm sure nobody is losing money on the deal.

They're also not quite 1:1, with the lower tier at APN running (about)
$3/12GB versus $10/20GB on EasyNews, but EasyNews allows unused capacity
to roll over to the following month.

Yes, but I don't know how I am ever going to exceed 12GB even in a year
with s.e.d. and a handful of others.

There *may* also be throttles on the d/l speed but I'm almost 100% on
text groups and even those are done by the background server so I
haven't really paid much attention to that.

With ASCII it wouldn't matter at all. But Lawrence uses motzarella which
costs even less, $0/mo

I just wonder how they do that for free. There must be some income,
somewhere.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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[Joerg]

Martin Brown wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Joerg wrote:
news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to
continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

It is surprising that they kept it running that long. Most of the profit
oriented ISPs in the ROW have been quietly dropping Usenet for some
time. Most new users have no idea that Usenet exists. Google groups
hangs Usenet access off a very obscure sub-sub-menu these days.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks
here and some may miss that little message I thought I better post
it. They did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG.
Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Supernews.

Or Nin. Although personally I do not like their contract.

That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

My solution at for discussion groups was to subscribe to Teranews free
service. The connectivity isn't briliant when the USA is awake but it is
a single payment of some nominal amount ~$5 for a permanent ID on the
free server for the discussion groups.

That sounds like another good alternative.

https://www.supernews.com/signup/

There are other free servers available on test for a while if you don't
mind poking around. They tend to be less than entirely reliable.

How do they run those free servers? I mean, they do need electricity and
the occasional hard drive replacement, plus TLC by people.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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[Joerg]

miso@sushi.com wrote:

On Jun 9, 8:36 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net
wrote:
m...@sushi.com wrote:
On Jun 8, 5:44 pm, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net
wrote:
news-supp...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.
Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.
Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!
So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
So dump AT&T. That is the American way. ...
In most of America that's not the way. They enjoy a very plum monopoly
position. Gotta buy at the company store. Sure you can switch but I've
scoped that out: More Dollars since the "competing" ISP must pay Missy
Bell for the line. The cable TV company will charge an arm and a leg per
month unless you give in and buy cable TV as well, which we won't do.

... My ISP limits download
bandwidth from usenet, but not from the internet. Go figure. Since I
don't download pirated crap off usenet, the limit isn't a burden. When
google works, I find it better than any of the news readers.
Google? Not with a 10ft pole.

A quick check shows DSL Extreme still has newsgroups. Also sonic.net.
I won't suggest using my ISP since Speakeasy went to crap after Best
Buy bought them. What a pity. It used to be such a kick ass company.
Now the tech support is done by scripted idiots.
The other question is when others will drop Usenet. Kids don't even know
what Usenet is anymore.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

Yes, AT&T is the cheapest. However, they are AT&T. 'nuff said!

The last few years it has been quite reliable. Even before that they
usually fixed things quite quickly, can't complain. The promised
download speed is sustained even in the evenings when all the kids surf
for video or whatever. Only the first few years connectivity was an
issue because they probably oversold dynamic IP addresses.

I'm sure you know about dslreports.com The smaller providers are
geekier, so it is less likely to lose usenet. The next time I leave
town, I'm dumping Speakeasy. What you do is ask for an IP switch, so
it gets done in a few days.

It's dynamic IP or PPPoE in this case.

The only good thing about AT&T is you can get a 2wire modem. Great
modem, crappy wall-wart supplier. I use a 2701HG.

I still use ye olde Westell WireSpeed that they shipped around 2000.
Nothing gets hot, works, has weathered numerous thunderstorms.

About all that is missing from google news is binaries and a kill
file. It is not as bad as some people make it out to be.

The problem is Google's blissful ignorance regarding the enormous amount
of spam that spews out from their domain. I will not support that. So in
my opinion it is bad.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joerg]

miso@sushi.com wrote:

On Jun 9, 8:38 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net
wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Joerg wrote:
news-supp...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.
Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.
Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They
did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!
So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.
Supernews.
That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

https://www.supernews.com/signup/

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

I've never done this, but is there something stopping someone from
setting up a news server at home on a linux box, then only carry what
you want to read? Assuming no port blocking, that sounds doable. Be
your own server.

Should be possible but I don't want yet another box in the office ;-)

Plus it seems one can obtain reasonable Usenet access for $0 to $30 a
year. Hard to beat with a Linux box.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joerg]

Bob Eld wrote:

news-support@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1244504412.47371_25865@flph199.ffdc.sbc.com...
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.


Anything to reduce service and the value of the internet, Bastards! They
killed off binary groups some time ago. Of course the news groups are
getting worse and worse with more and more spam and less and less
interesting and useful posts. It's a far cry from what it was 15 years ago.
So I'm not sure I'll bother to subscribe to a paid NG service. It's off to
the blogs I
go, see ya.

I have yet to see _any_ web based forum that comes even remotely close
to the speed and efficiency of Usenet.

Oh well, I guess I'll buy one of those watches of a pair of shoes listed
below!

Actually, I hardly see any of that spam. All I use is the filter
features in Thunderbird and it nicely rids newsgroup header lists of all
that junk. Unfortunately all google domain users get tossed out with it
but what can ya do?

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Nobody]

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:27:12 -0700, Joerg wrote:

You do not offer "full Internet access", then curtail some of that
access and still claim it to be full access.

Sounds like the perfect place for a class action suit.

I'd say that the service is worth a minimum of 1/3rd less.


Reality though is that they have you over the barrel. It's a de-facto
monopoly. The only competition in (some parts) of our area is Comcast.
No idea if they offer usenet access but their access is quite expensive
if you don't take the whole bundle. And I won't pay one dime for cable
TV, not worth it IMHO.

My ISP has recently dropped binary usenet (all of the groups are still
there, but they no longer carry binary posts in any group), and they
certainly don't have a monopoly.

Once upon a time, most people who had heard of the internet also knew what
usenet was (along with Gopher, Archie, WAIS etc). Nowadays, the internet
is email, web sites, and a zillion application-specific protocols.

Much of what used to be on usenet is either on web-based forums or on
mailing lists.

The whole peering-based structure of usenet is really a holdover from the
days of uucp. Nowadays, the text-based side of usenet could comfortably
operate as a single, centralised server farm.

 

[George]

Joerg says...

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

I would suggest you at least look at the block pricing plans
at some news providers. Astraweb, for example, sells 25 GB
for $10, or 180 GB for $25, and neither headers nor uploads
count. And there's no expiration. That could last you a
long time, particularly if you only do text. Octanews has a
similar plan.

I think unless you are a very heavy user, these block plans
are a better deal than so-much-a-month.

 

[Bob Eld]

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:XlvXl.25532$as4.15126@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Joerg wrote:
news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to
continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.


Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They
did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.


Supernews.


That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

https://www.supernews.com/signup/

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

a.. Usenet was created in 1979 as a uniquely social way for people to
exchange information on the Internet. Over the past 2 decades Usenet has
evolved into a thriving global community with its own language, history, and
culture. Try SupernewsŽ personal service to begin your Usenet adventure and
to get the most out of your Usenet experience.

This is Supernews's blurb about the news groups. They forgot a key word, And
FREE way to exchange information. Furthermore, in actuality, the "Usenet has
evolved into a" dying global community of cranks, spammers, smart asses and
dolts that is not worth more than a dollar or two a month and shouldn't cost
anything over the regular ISP access fee.

Even these jackasses are 10 years out of date. 1979 was 30 years ago not 20
and they have not even updated their blurb.
The USNET is dead and paying for it helped kill it. Apparently everybody is
moving to the blogosphere.

 

[Joerg]

Bob Eld wrote:

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:XlvXl.25532$as4.15126@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Joerg wrote:
news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to
continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They
did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Supernews.

That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

https://www.supernews.com/signup/

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.


a.. Usenet was created in 1979 as a uniquely social way for people to
exchange information on the Internet. Over the past 2 decades Usenet has
evolved into a thriving global community with its own language, history, and
culture. Try SupernewsŽ personal service to begin your Usenet adventure and
to get the most out of your Usenet experience.

This is Supernews's blurb about the news groups. They forgot a key word, And
FREE way to exchange information. Furthermore, in actuality, the "Usenet has
evolved into a" dying global community of cranks, spammers, smart asses and
dolts that is not worth more than a dollar or two a month and shouldn't cost
anything over the regular ISP access fee.

Even these jackasses are 10 years out of date. 1979 was 30 years ago not 20
and they have not even updated their blurb.
The USNET is dead and paying for it helped kill it. Apparently everybody is
moving to the blogosphere.

Except that the blogosphere or any other web-based forum doesn't even
come close to the efficiency of newsgroups. IEEE-VC, Linked-In groups,
blogs, it's all slow like snails.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joel Koltner]

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:bVAXl.31394$Ws1.13816@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...

Except that the blogosphere or any other web-based forum doesn't even come
close to the efficiency of newsgroups. IEEE-VC, Linked-In groups, blogs,
it's all slow like snails.

Just wait, given enough time there'll be "new technology" that provides the
"innovation" of an off-line web forum reader, just like there were off-line
BBS readers years ago. Everything old is new again...

I really expect this to happen, as the majority of web-based forums are built
using just a small handful of different software packages, so it'd be pretty
easy to cover most of the bases.

Of course, it's just another layer of complexity that heightens the likelihood
of bugs or other problems...

 

[miso@sushi.com]

On Jun 9, 8:36 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net>
wrote:

m...@sushi.com wrote:
On Jun 8, 5:44 pm, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net
wrote:
news-supp...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service.  If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.
Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.
Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

So dump AT&T. That is the American way. ...

In most of America that's not the way. They enjoy a very plum monopoly
position. Gotta buy at the company store. Sure you can switch but I've
scoped that out: More Dollars since the "competing" ISP must pay Missy
Bell for the line. The cable TV company will charge an arm and a leg per
month unless you give in and buy cable TV as well, which we won't do.

                                      ... My ISP limits download
bandwidth from usenet, but not from the internet. Go figure. Since I
don't download pirated crap off usenet, the limit isn't a burden. When
google works, I find it better than any of the news readers.

Google? Not with a 10ft pole.

A quick check shows DSL Extreme still has newsgroups. Also sonic.net.

I won't suggest using my ISP since Speakeasy went to crap after Best
Buy bought them. What a pity. It used to be such a kick ass company.
Now the tech support is done by scripted idiots.

The other question is when others will drop Usenet. Kids don't even know
what Usenet is anymore.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

Yes, AT&T is the cheapest. However, they are AT&T. 'nuff said!

I'm sure you know about dslreports.com The smaller providers are
geekier, so it is less likely to lose usenet. The next time I leave
town, I'm dumping Speakeasy. What you do is ask for an IP switch, so
it gets done in a few days.

The only good thing about AT&T is you can get a 2wire modem. Great
modem, crappy wall-wart supplier. I use a 2701HG.

About all that is missing from google news is binaries and a kill
file. It is not as bad as some people make it out to be.

 

[Joerg]

Joel Koltner wrote:

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:bVAXl.31394$Ws1.13816@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
Except that the blogosphere or any other web-based forum doesn't even come
close to the efficiency of newsgroups. IEEE-VC, Linked-In groups, blogs,
it's all slow like snails.

Just wait, given enough time there'll be "new technology" that provides the
"innovation" of an off-line web forum reader, just like there were off-line
BBS readers years ago. Everything old is new again...

I really expect this to happen, as the majority of web-based forums are built
using just a small handful of different software packages, so it'd be pretty
easy to cover most of the bases.

Of course, it's just another layer of complexity that heightens the likelihood
of bugs or other problems...

The major problem with web-based forums is the amount of fluff. Tons of
non-essential graphics overlays, too few threads per page and some
aren't even threadable.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[miso@sushi.com]

On Jun 9, 8:38 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net>
wrote:

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Joerg wrote:
news-supp...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service.  If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They
did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Supernews.

That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

https://www.supernews.com/signup/

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

I've never done this, but is there something stopping someone from
setting up a news server at home on a linux box, then only carry what
you want to read? Assuming no port blocking, that sounds doable. Be
your own server.

 

[Bart!]

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:27:12 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Reality though is that they have you over the barrel. It's a de-facto
monopoly.

Absolutely not. AT&T would take a big dump, if consumers would simply
take a big dump on AT&T.

Dopey consumers never learn though. There are still idiots out there
using AOL.

 

[Joerg]

Bart! wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:27:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Reality though is that they have you over the barrel. It's a de-facto
monopoly.


Absolutely not. AT&T would take a big dump, if consumers would simply
take a big dump on AT&T.

Dopey consumers never learn though. There are still idiots out there
using AOL.

Well, a few years ago when AT&T had technical problems I checked into
that. All alternative providers were more expensive, sometimes a lot
more expensive. Currently I am paying $25/month for pretty reliable
broadband. Sure, I could pay north of $50 (rate for folks who don't want
cable TV) for Comcast Internet which is competing out here but AFAIK
they also dropped Usenet some time ago ;-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
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[Martin Riddle]

if you can live with out binaries try motzarella.org
He does carry abse, but not all articles show up.

Cheers


"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:xfiXl.25508$as4.5014@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...

news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to
continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.


Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They
did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.