Driver to drive?

[Bart!]

On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:28:40 -0700, Atsunori Tamagawa <tamagawa@att.net>
wrote:

Well, what most ISP's are really offering their customer for money
is allowing them to send/receive IP packets over the Internet from
their pc, and ..... that's it.
Any additional services beyond that are kind of 'courtesy', or way
to attract their customers so they stay with them.

NO. Absolutely not. What "ISPs" used to "offer" is an explicit
"service" known as "full Internet access", which once meant email, web
and news service provision. PERIOD.

Now, Obamna and any motherfucker on two legs can bend the meanings of
any fucking word in existence.

Just like the retarded bastard did with his remarks about his
associations with Ayers, AND like he did when he said pork would end (as
he said out of the other side of his mouth "Right after we Democrats get
ours (as in our last stab at the people), and you Republican boys can
join in too.") We can even have a barbeque!

This country is fucked up and word benders are the worst reason.

AOL was a perfect example, and the retards that stayed with them are
even bigger idiots than those of us that thumbed our noses at them not
quite hard enough.

 

[miso@sushi.com]

On Jun 8, 5:44 pm, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net>
wrote:

news-supp...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service.  If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

So dump AT&T. That is the American way. My ISP limits download
bandwidth from usenet, but not from the internet. Go figure. Since I
don't download pirated crap off usenet, the limit isn't a burden. When
google works, I find it better than any of the news readers.

A quick check shows DSL Extreme still has newsgroups. Also sonic.net.

I won't suggest using my ISP since Speakeasy went to crap after Best
Buy bought them. What a pity. It used to be such a kick ass company.
Now the tech support is done by scripted idiots.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Joerg wrote:

news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.


Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Supernews.

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Joerg]

Ecnerwal wrote:

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Well, if you need your binaries groups (I haven't seen abse in a long
time now, but I haven't dropped dead, though I wouldn't mind having
access) there are a (very) few decent free options. I've been using one
for a few months. If I need to post a picture, I'll stuff it up on the
web somewhere and post a link.

Care to share which one that is? I've got to make the switch by early
July I guess :-(

If you must have your binaries, there are lots of pay to play
news-servers out there. Its increasingly rare to get news service (full
or limited) with internet access. Wanton excess in the binaries has
pretty well ruined it, and spam (thanks so much for supporting usenet
spammers, google) has ruined quite a few non-binary groups - while
usenet is far more efficient for moving information around, web forums
have sucked many a vibrant newsgroup down the tubes as people toss up
their hands at trolls, spam, and difficulty accessing news servers.

Binaries would be nice by since Cuomo went on his little vendetta even
non-binary alt groups (I followed a few technical ones) have dropped to
anemic status. Like the home automation group. It dropped to a whiopping
five posts in a whole month.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joerg]

Bart! wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:44:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Go? Different Service provider.

You do not offer "full Internet access", then curtail some of that
access and still claim it to be full access.

Sounds like the perfect place for a class action suit.

I'd say that the service is worth a minimum of 1/3rd less.

Reality though is that they have you over the barrel. It's a de-facto
monopoly. The only competition in (some parts) of our area is Comcast.
No idea if they offer usenet access but their access is quite expensive
if you don't take the whole bundle. And I won't pay one dime for cable
TV, not worth it IMHO.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joerg]

Jon Kirwan wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:44:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.
Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Wow. So this makes the Verizon service look good, even after killing
all of the alt.* groups, including alt.binaries.schematics.electronic.
That is, until Verizon decides to follow AT&T, which I guess I can now
expect to happen soon.

Yeah, AT&T dropped binaries last year. Took only one more year and
they'll have dropped the whole thing.

Service is being eroded, cost remains same. That's how monopolies work :-(

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joerg]

Rich Webb wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:44:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Started from a different ISP (Verizon) but I jumped to APN (from Forte')
a while ago to be able to get usenet access -- and my own files and
filters -- when not logged in through Verizon.

APN is currently reselling EasyNews with a slightly different cost
structure. Been with them a couple of years now, pretty cheap, no
complaints, good retention, lots o' groups.

Thanks, looks like it's this service:

http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

$3/mo is ok, as long as they don't require the use of Agent. It's
supposedly a good newsreader but I don't want to change more than
needed, using Thunderbird right now. Works fine, gets rid of the Google
spam.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joerg]

miso@sushi.com wrote:

On Jun 8, 5:44 pm, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net
wrote:
news-supp...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.
Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.
Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

So dump AT&T. That is the American way. ...

In most of America that's not the way. They enjoy a very plum monopoly
position. Gotta buy at the company store. Sure you can switch but I've
scoped that out: More Dollars since the "competing" ISP must pay Missy
Bell for the line. The cable TV company will charge an arm and a leg per
month unless you give in and buy cable TV as well, which we won't do.

... My ISP limits download
bandwidth from usenet, but not from the internet. Go figure. Since I
don't download pirated crap off usenet, the limit isn't a burden. When
google works, I find it better than any of the news readers.

Google? Not with a 10ft pole.

A quick check shows DSL Extreme still has newsgroups. Also sonic.net.

I won't suggest using my ISP since Speakeasy went to crap after Best
Buy bought them. What a pity. It used to be such a kick ass company.
Now the tech support is done by scripted idiots.

The other question is when others will drop Usenet. Kids don't even know
what Usenet is anymore.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joerg]

Phil Hobbs wrote:

Joerg wrote:
news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.


Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They
did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.


Supernews.

That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

https://www.supernews.com/signup/

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Rich Webb]

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:31:37 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Thanks, looks like it's this service:

http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

$3/mo is ok, as long as they don't require the use of Agent. It's
supposedly a good newsreader but I don't want to change more than
needed, using Thunderbird right now. Works fine, gets rid of the Google
spam.

Agent isn't required, it's a vanilla NNTP port 119 service. I usually
connect to the server via Hamster and let it take care of the deep
filtering (the http://click-my-link-or-buy-my-crap.whatever stuff).
Other than having to do T'bird's equivalent of a "catch up" on all the
groups that you follow, to get the new server's article numbers, it
should be transparent.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

 

[Joerg]

Rich Webb wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:31:37 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Thanks, looks like it's this service:

http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

$3/mo is ok, as long as they don't require the use of Agent. It's
supposedly a good newsreader but I don't want to change more than
needed, using Thunderbird right now. Works fine, gets rid of the Google
spam.

Agent isn't required, it's a vanilla NNTP port 119 service. I usually
connect to the server via Hamster and let it take care of the deep
filtering (the http://click-my-link-or-buy-my-crap.whatever stuff).
Other than having to do T'bird's equivalent of a "catch up" on all the
groups that you follow, to get the new server's article numbers, it
should be transparent.

Thanks. If I don't find a better deal I guess that'll be the one then
and it's bookmarked.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:31:37 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:44:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Started from a different ISP (Verizon) but I jumped to APN (from Forte')
a while ago to be able to get usenet access -- and my own files and
filters -- when not logged in through Verizon.

APN is currently reselling EasyNews with a slightly different cost
structure. Been with them a couple of years now, pretty cheap, no
complaints, good retention, lots o' groups.



Thanks, looks like it's this service:

http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

$3/mo is ok, as long as they don't require the use of Agent. It's
supposedly a good newsreader but I don't want to change more than
needed, using Thunderbird right now. Works fine, gets rid of the Google
spam.

Caution: APN recently went _very_ erratic. APN staff fluffed me off
with, "It's EasyNews' problem", so I dropped them. I'm back to Cox.
Let me know when they get back to stable, and I'll renew ;-)

(I liked them because of full headers, though I have work-arounds now
;-)

...Jim Thompson
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[Spehro Pefhany]

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:31:37 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:44:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Started from a different ISP (Verizon) but I jumped to APN (from Forte')
a while ago to be able to get usenet access -- and my own files and
filters -- when not logged in through Verizon.

APN is currently reselling EasyNews with a slightly different cost
structure. Been with them a couple of years now, pretty cheap, no
complaints, good retention, lots o' groups.



Thanks, looks like it's this service:

http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

$3/mo is ok, as long as they don't require the use of Agent. It's
supposedly a good newsreader but I don't want to change more than
needed, using Thunderbird right now. Works fine, gets rid of the Google
spam.

It's okay, but you'll probably see some differences in performance
given that the headers will no longer be stored on your local ISP's
server. Nothing since has been as good as telnetting into the ISP's
machine and using something like tin.

 

[Joerg]

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:31:37 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:44:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.
Started from a different ISP (Verizon) but I jumped to APN (from Forte')
a while ago to be able to get usenet access -- and my own files and
filters -- when not logged in through Verizon.

APN is currently reselling EasyNews with a slightly different cost
structure. Been with them a couple of years now, pretty cheap, no
complaints, good retention, lots o' groups.


Thanks, looks like it's this service:

http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

$3/mo is ok, as long as they don't require the use of Agent. It's
supposedly a good newsreader but I don't want to change more than
needed, using Thunderbird right now. Works fine, gets rid of the Google
spam.

It's okay, but you'll probably see some differences in performance
given that the headers will no longer be stored on your local ISP's
server. Nothing since has been as good as telnetting into the ISP's
machine and using something like tin.

Yeah, AT&T's news server is ( or soon was ...) blazingly fast. You could
almost have chat speed. That's probably going to be history for me in July.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joerg]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:31:37 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:44:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.
Started from a different ISP (Verizon) but I jumped to APN (from Forte')
a while ago to be able to get usenet access -- and my own files and
filters -- when not logged in through Verizon.

APN is currently reselling EasyNews with a slightly different cost
structure. Been with them a couple of years now, pretty cheap, no
complaints, good retention, lots o' groups.


Thanks, looks like it's this service:

http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

$3/mo is ok, as long as they don't require the use of Agent. It's
supposedly a good newsreader but I don't want to change more than
needed, using Thunderbird right now. Works fine, gets rid of the Google
spam.

Caution: APN recently went _very_ erratic. APN staff fluffed me off
with, "It's EasyNews' problem", so I dropped them. I'm back to Cox.
Let me know when they get back to stable, and I'll renew ;-)

(I liked them because of full headers, though I have work-arounds now
;-)

Dang! And here I thought I had a solution. Back to square one :-(

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Rich Webb]

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:17:09 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Caution: APN recently went _very_ erratic. APN staff fluffed me off
with, "It's EasyNews' problem", so I dropped them. I'm back to Cox.
Let me know when they get back to stable, and I'll renew ;-)

Well, a couple weeks ago (IIRC) EasyNews did go through a spate of
indexing problems, with the result that there was about an eight hour
period with no posts passed on in the groups that I follow. Not sure
what APN could do about that, though.

Since then it looks like EasyNews has been rebuilding their tree and
"touching" the groups, since the last few days have begun with a refresh
of some portion of the available groups that Hamster dutifully
downloads. I suppose *somebody* wants to have cuhk.society.softballclub
available ...

Other than that, though, it's been pretty smooth sailing.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

 

[Joerg]

Rich Webb wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:17:09 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:


Caution: APN recently went _very_ erratic. APN staff fluffed me off
with, "It's EasyNews' problem", so I dropped them. I'm back to Cox.
Let me know when they get back to stable, and I'll renew ;-)

Well, a couple weeks ago (IIRC) EasyNews did go through a spate of
indexing problems, with the result that there was about an eight hour
period with no posts passed on in the groups that I follow. Not sure
what APN could do about that, though.

Since then it looks like EasyNews has been rebuilding their tree and
"touching" the groups, since the last few days have begun with a refresh
of some portion of the available groups that Hamster dutifully
downloads. I suppose *somebody* wants to have cuhk.society.softballclub
available ...

Other than that, though, it's been pretty smooth sailing.

What puzzles me is that EasyNews' simple account costs about $10/mo and
Forte APN is about $3/mo, while APN appears to get its feed from
EasyNews ...

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Ecnerwal]

In article <q8vXl.22054$hc1.14346@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com>,
Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Care to share which one that is? I've got to make the switch by early
July I guess :-(
....
Binaries would be nice by since Cuomo went on his little vendetta even
non-binary alt groups (I followed a few technical ones) have dropped to
anemic status. Like the home automation group. It dropped to a whiopping
five posts in a whole month.

I thought it would show up in the headers - motztarella.org

http://www.motzarella.org/

All the text alt groups, no binaries. German, so it's a taste of home
for you, perhaps? Straight up NNTP service. Terms of use that seem
reasonable (such as the .invalid at the end of my fake email, which I
think is human interpretable but should be hard for most robots).

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

 

[Rich Webb]

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:23:34 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:17:09 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:


Caution: APN recently went _very_ erratic. APN staff fluffed me off
with, "It's EasyNews' problem", so I dropped them. I'm back to Cox.
Let me know when they get back to stable, and I'll renew ;-)

Well, a couple weeks ago (IIRC) EasyNews did go through a spate of
indexing problems, with the result that there was about an eight hour
period with no posts passed on in the groups that I follow. Not sure
what APN could do about that, though.

Since then it looks like EasyNews has been rebuilding their tree and
"touching" the groups, since the last few days have begun with a refresh
of some portion of the available groups that Hamster dutifully
downloads. I suppose *somebody* wants to have cuhk.society.softballclub
available ...

Other than that, though, it's been pretty smooth sailing.


What puzzles me is that EasyNews' simple account costs about $10/mo and
Forte APN is about $3/mo, while APN appears to get its feed from
EasyNews ...

Could have been negotiated when Forte switched their upstream from
SuperNews to EasyNews. Forte also does the accounting and billing and
probably strokes just one check, so some costs are offloaded from
EasyNews. I'm sure nobody is losing money on the deal.

They're also not quite 1:1, with the lower tier at APN running (about)
$3/12GB versus $10/20GB on EasyNews, but EasyNews allows unused capacity
to roll over to the following month.

There *may* also be throttles on the d/l speed but I'm almost 100% on
text groups and even those are done by the background server so I
haven't really paid much attention to that.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

 

[Bob Eld]

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Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
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Anything to reduce service and the value of the internet, Bastards! They
killed off binary groups some time ago. Of course the news groups are
getting worse and worse with more and more spam and less and less
interesting and useful posts. It's a far cry from what it was 15 years ago.
So I'm not sure I'll bother to subscribe to a paid NG service. It's off to
the blogs I
go, see ya.

Oh well, I guess I'll buy one of those watches of a pair of shoes listed
below!