Driver to drive?

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Robert Baer wrote:

JosephKK wrote:


On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:34:14 -0800 (PST), JeffM <jeffm_@email.com
wrote:



Robert Baer wrote:


Well, i have 4 partitions encompasing 3 OSes and data.
Has the stupidity of a LILO partition been fixed?


JosephKK wrote:


LILO has been pretty well displaced by GRUB,
which sits in the MBR or on any partition you like.


If it was on *any* partition, why wouldn't the system
look at the boot sector of hda and ignore the boot manager?
...or is there a step you left out?


That depends primarily on the boot manager in question. Old system
Commander would search for new bootable partitions, many others do
not. Neither LILO nor GRUB does search.



If [your] hardware is up to it[,]


Heh. Your comment is directed at a guy
whose primary OS is Windows 98.


I have an old laptop (500 MHz) that came with MSWin98. Back then i
added a linux partition to it (RH 7.3). Also note that he has 3 OS's
on his machine. Just the same, a hardware (to current) update would
be unlikely to hurt him. *86 virtualization is getting pretty good
now.



you will really like a modern Linux on a multi core 64-bit machine,
i sure do. Virtualizes real nice.


Well, he *is* about due for some new hardware. :cool:
I think Baer may be even cheaper than I am.


Marking your snips is considered polite. If you wish to be polite
please do so. Otherwise, i will consider your responses
appropriately.

Well, not quite cheap; let us say use of limited funds leads to
inexpensive results.
After saving for many months, i finally got a new computer which is
leading to problems.
Newer hardware seems to have poor support or no support for Win98SE.
And in this case, it does not help that the MB has on-board video
which is not really disabled, but bypasses in the BIOS by assiging IRQ
11 to the daughterboard (GeForce 8400GS).
Seems all NVIDIA drivers fail to find the chip; my guess it finds
whatever is emulated on the MB and then quits.
Old DOS AMIDIAG does indicate that VESA mode 103 (600x800 256 colors)
is useable (liiks nice in their demo).
But the universal VESA driver only gives 640x480 16 colors - no
matter how one lies concerning which VBE Miniport verson to use.
And *no* Win98SE sound driver (RealTek).
Gurr!



See if drivers are availible for Windows ME for your board.


Good idea, will give that a try.
Click to expand...
BTW, i got the VBE Miniport SVGA to work so now i have 256 colors - a
lot better than 16 colors.
Maybe i did not try that variant or did something wrong in the
implimentation, previously.
 
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:11:13 -0800, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:30:30 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hal Murray wrote:
gEDA is rather strange with the power pins in multi-part packages. Kicad
does that nicely but has a raggedy looking title block and coordinate
frame, both of which cannot be customized well and cannot be removed at
all by the user.
Can you dance around their klutzy frame and title block by ignoring
them and putting your own smaller frame inside their frame, and then
running some postscript postprocessing to crop down to what you want?

That's what I want to try next because it seems there is no interest in
the gEDA community to look at the power pin issue and none in the Kicad
community to look at the frame thing. I'd love to write corrected code
myself by I am not a programmer. Being a hardware guy it's tough to
figure out PS postprocessing, could use some more mainstream file format
and do a crop by hand. Won't be very precise though.

I don't see any entries in the Features Request that contain "frame" or
"title," so it looks like nobody has actually initiated that yet:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=762479&group_id=145591&func=browse


Ok, I just took the liberty to add this as a request :)


I'm stuck with VS 2005 on the machine (it won't uninstall) and the Kicad
page does have a link to a "how to build from source" so I may give it a
go this weekend. At least enough to take a look at it. Who knows, it
might be easy! ;-)


If I had more programming experience I'd also give it a shot. But this
weekend I'll be ripping out carpet. Orders from SWMBO :)
Click to expand...
I'm throwing in the towel on this one. It's probably *possible* to build
it with MSVC but, after going around and around with cmake and nmake,
I'm dying with a cubic butt-ton of unresolved linker errors about 70%+
into the process. The right way to do it would be to set up a proper gcc
environment, and that's not happening anytime soon.

I'll keep what I have in place, for now, if anyone wants to compare
notes.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
 
Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:11:13 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:30:30 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hal Murray wrote:
gEDA is rather strange with the power pins in multi-part packages. Kicad
does that nicely but has a raggedy looking title block and coordinate
frame, both of which cannot be customized well and cannot be removed at
all by the user.
Can you dance around their klutzy frame and title block by ignoring
them and putting your own smaller frame inside their frame, and then
running some postscript postprocessing to crop down to what you want?

That's what I want to try next because it seems there is no interest in
the gEDA community to look at the power pin issue and none in the Kicad
community to look at the frame thing. I'd love to write corrected code
myself by I am not a programmer. Being a hardware guy it's tough to
figure out PS postprocessing, could use some more mainstream file format
and do a crop by hand. Won't be very precise though.
I don't see any entries in the Features Request that contain "frame" or
"title," so it looks like nobody has actually initiated that yet:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=762479&group_id=145591&func=browse

Ok, I just took the liberty to add this as a request :)


I'm stuck with VS 2005 on the machine (it won't uninstall) and the Kicad
page does have a link to a "how to build from source" so I may give it a
go this weekend. At least enough to take a look at it. Who knows, it
might be easy! ;-)

If I had more programming experience I'd also give it a shot. But this
weekend I'll be ripping out carpet. Orders from SWMBO :)

I'm throwing in the towel on this one. It's probably *possible* to build
it with MSVC but, after going around and around with cmake and nmake,
I'm dying with a cubic butt-ton of unresolved linker errors about 70%+
into the process. The right way to do it would be to set up a proper gcc
environment, and that's not happening anytime soon.

I'll keep what I have in place, for now, if anyone wants to compare
notes.
Click to expand...
Thanks for trying and letting us know, Rich. I think I am going to stay
with Eagle for now and when there is a little more time I'll try Mark's
route and see if I can resurrect the old DOS-OrCad. That is still the
best, haven't seen anything that has reached its level of perfection.
There may have been a lot of progress with autorouters over the last 20
years but with schematic capture I don't quite see such a progress.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
hey matey , he`s president now .. what u got to say now !!!!!



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On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:41:59 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:


Went to the movies yesterday, "An American Carol", then did lunch at
RA.

"An American Carol", while a loosely connected story line, is very
funny slap-schtick, but disjointed at times.

But many scenes accurately depicting the fascist left troubled me.

Then I learned that all the Hollywood distribution companies refused
to distribute it.

Reminded me of scenes from "Cabaret", so I went home and watched that,
to refresh my mind about what "life" under fascism will be like :-(

...Jim Thompson


Instead of giving up by thinking that the asshole Obama idiot will
actually get into office, why are you not busy out at the coffee shops
telling folks that this election is the most important ever, and that we
MUST place the republican candidate in office this time, or the entire
nation's economy, as well as its security, will be severely compromised?

You need to impress on all your friends just how important it is that
ALL republicans get their asses out there and VOTE!
Click to expand...
 
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:24:35 -0800, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:

I'm throwing in the towel on this one. It's probably *possible* to build
it with MSVC but, after going around and around with cmake and nmake,
I'm dying with a cubic butt-ton of unresolved linker errors about 70%+
into the process. The right way to do it would be to set up a proper gcc
environment, and that's not happening anytime soon.

I'll keep what I have in place, for now, if anyone wants to compare
notes.


Thanks for trying and letting us know, Rich. I think I am going to stay
with Eagle for now and when there is a little more time I'll try Mark's
route and see if I can resurrect the old DOS-OrCad. That is still the
best, haven't seen anything that has reached its level of perfection.
There may have been a lot of progress with autorouters over the last 20
years but with schematic capture I don't quite see such a progress.
Click to expand...
Well, I'm not giving up altogether. I have room for mingw and msys,
which seem to be the mainline development environment for the MSWindows
executables. It will have to take its place in the FIFO, though...

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
 
We're screwed?

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hey matey , he`s president now .. what u got to say now !!!!!



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On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:41:59 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:


Went to the movies yesterday, "An American Carol", then did lunch at
RA.

"An American Carol", while a loosely connected story line, is very
funny slap-schtick, but disjointed at times.

But many scenes accurately depicting the fascist left troubled me.

Then I learned that all the Hollywood distribution companies refused
to distribute it.

Reminded me of scenes from "Cabaret", so I went home and watched
that,
to refresh my mind about what "life" under fascism will be like :-(

...Jim Thompson


Instead of giving up by thinking that the asshole Obama idiot will
actually get into office, why are you not busy out at the coffee
shops
telling folks that this election is the most important ever, and that
we
MUST place the republican candidate in office this time, or the
entire
nation's economy, as well as its security, will be severely
compromised?

You need to impress on all your friends just how important it is
that
ALL republicans get their asses out there and VOTE!
Click to expand...
 
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:15:58 +1030, "mark krawczuk"
<krawczuk@adam.com.au> wrote:

hey matey , he`s president now .. what u got to say now !!!!!


[snip]
Click to expand...

Go fuck yourself ?:)
 
Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:24:35 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:

I'm throwing in the towel on this one. It's probably *possible* to build
it with MSVC but, after going around and around with cmake and nmake,
I'm dying with a cubic butt-ton of unresolved linker errors about 70%+
into the process. The right way to do it would be to set up a proper gcc
environment, and that's not happening anytime soon.

I'll keep what I have in place, for now, if anyone wants to compare
notes.

Thanks for trying and letting us know, Rich. I think I am going to stay
with Eagle for now and when there is a little more time I'll try Mark's
route and see if I can resurrect the old DOS-OrCad. That is still the
best, haven't seen anything that has reached its level of perfection.
There may have been a lot of progress with autorouters over the last 20
years but with schematic capture I don't quite see such a progress.

Well, I'm not giving up altogether. I have room for mingw and msys,
which seem to be the mainline development environment for the MSWindows
executables. It will have to take its place in the FIFO, though...
Click to expand...
And FIFO content is determined by SWMBO. I just scored one more on the
list, the guides of a large drawer in the kitchen croaked. The rollers
are, of course, not available individually. Meaning it'll be contortion
and back pain time again. Harumph.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:52:33 -0500, "Martin Riddle"
<martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

We're screwed?

[snip]
Click to expand...

Yep.

Dick Morris is on the tube right now saying, ...

"We enter the Obama era as a Democracy, we'll exit it as France.

We enter the Obama era with free health care for all, we'll exit it
with rationed health care."

...Jim Thompson
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Think things are bad now? Wait until Obama "takes care" of you.
 
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:52:33 -0500, "Martin Riddle"
<martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

We're screwed?

"mark krawczuk" <krawczuk@adam.com.au> wrote in message
news:HLednYbbpqgljejUnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d@adnap.net.au...
hey matey , he`s president now .. what u got to say now !!!!!


Goddamned top-posting retards!
Click to expand...

As far as ol' holier than thou goes.... we'll see.

I doubt that he'll "repair" things with the stupid "mechanisms" (read
TAX) he is planning on putting in place.

He will, of course, be blaming any problems on "pre-existing dilemma".

He has already stated that all his promises will have to be pushed
back. The shame is that sneaky pete move went right over the head of
every dope that voted for him.
 
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:10:36 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:52:33 -0500, "Martin Riddle"
martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

We're screwed?

[snip]

Yep.

Dick Morris is on the tube right now saying, ...

"We enter the Obama era as a Democracy, we'll exit it as France.

We enter the Obama era with free health care for all, we'll exit it
with rationed health care."

...Jim Thompson
His current mantra is that "Everyone is going to have to pitch in"
Click to expand...

Can you feel it coming. T A X... T A X . . . T A X . . .

He's gonna "fix" things.

We have been searching the skies for asteroids and comets that might be
in a striking path for Earth. Little did we know...
 
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:10:36 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:52:33 -0500, "Martin Riddle"
martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

We're screwed?

[snip]

Yep.

Dick Morris is on the tube right now saying, ...

"We enter the Obama era as a Democracy, we'll exit it as France.

We enter the Obama era with free health care for all, we'll exit it
with rationed health care."

...Jim Thompson
His current mantra is that "Everyone is going to have to pitch in"

Can you feel it coming. T A X... T A X . . . T A X . . .

He's gonna "fix" things.

We have been searching the skies for asteroids and comets that might be
in a striking path for Earth. Little did we know...
Click to expand...
My daughter's 1st grade class had a mock election before November. Most of
the kids voted for Obama, including mine. No good reason, they're 7. She
asked me why I wasn't voting for him and I told her that if he raises taxes
on businesses it may cost a lot of people their jobs.

I got laid off last week... she said she wanted to call Obama and ask him to
give me my job back. ;o)

JP
 
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:58:00 -0800, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:24:35 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:

I'm throwing in the towel on this one. It's probably *possible* to build
it with MSVC but, after going around and around with cmake and nmake,
I'm dying with a cubic butt-ton of unresolved linker errors about 70%+
into the process. The right way to do it would be to set up a proper gcc
environment, and that's not happening anytime soon.

I'll keep what I have in place, for now, if anyone wants to compare
notes.

Thanks for trying and letting us know, Rich. I think I am going to stay
with Eagle for now and when there is a little more time I'll try Mark's
route and see if I can resurrect the old DOS-OrCad. That is still the
best, haven't seen anything that has reached its level of perfection.
There may have been a lot of progress with autorouters over the last 20
years but with schematic capture I don't quite see such a progress.

Well, I'm not giving up altogether. I have room for mingw and msys,
which seem to be the mainline development environment for the MSWindows
executables. It will have to take its place in the FIFO, though...


And FIFO content is determined by SWMBO. I just scored one more on the
list, the guides of a large drawer in the kitchen croaked. The rollers
are, of course, not available individually. Meaning it'll be contortion
and back pain time again. Harumph.
Click to expand...
You'd be surprised what sort of cabinet hardware you can find on the
web. I've replaced a bunch of stuff with pretty much original
hardware for SWMBO bonus points. Doesn't help the back though.
 
krw wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:58:00 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:24:35 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:

I'm throwing in the towel on this one. It's probably *possible* to build
it with MSVC but, after going around and around with cmake and nmake,
I'm dying with a cubic butt-ton of unresolved linker errors about 70%+
into the process. The right way to do it would be to set up a proper gcc
environment, and that's not happening anytime soon.

I'll keep what I have in place, for now, if anyone wants to compare
notes.

Thanks for trying and letting us know, Rich. I think I am going to stay
with Eagle for now and when there is a little more time I'll try Mark's
route and see if I can resurrect the old DOS-OrCad. That is still the
best, haven't seen anything that has reached its level of perfection.
There may have been a lot of progress with autorouters over the last 20
years but with schematic capture I don't quite see such a progress.
Well, I'm not giving up altogether. I have room for mingw and msys,
which seem to be the mainline development environment for the MSWindows
executables. It will have to take its place in the FIFO, though...

And FIFO content is determined by SWMBO. I just scored one more on the
list, the guides of a large drawer in the kitchen croaked. The rollers
are, of course, not available individually. Meaning it'll be contortion
and back pain time again. Harumph.

You'd be surprised what sort of cabinet hardware you can find on the
web. I've replaced a bunch of stuff with pretty much original
hardware for SWMBO bonus points. Doesn't help the back though.
Click to expand...

Problem is the rollers are riveted to the guides. And the new guides are
2" shorter, it was all they had. I'll have to see if that is SWMBO
acceptable. Somehow the cabinet hardware in the US is mostly of the
flimsy kind. The stuff in the 100+ year old bedroom set and desks we
brought over is all still ok, zero maintenance. Our 100lbs Rottweiler
once stepped on the fully extended file cabinet of my office desk, to
have an "aerial look". Didn't budge a bit.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:31:32 -0800, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:58:00 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:24:35 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:

I'm throwing in the towel on this one. It's probably *possible* to build
it with MSVC but, after going around and around with cmake and nmake,
I'm dying with a cubic butt-ton of unresolved linker errors about 70%+
into the process. The right way to do it would be to set up a proper gcc
environment, and that's not happening anytime soon.

I'll keep what I have in place, for now, if anyone wants to compare
notes.

Thanks for trying and letting us know, Rich. I think I am going to stay
with Eagle for now and when there is a little more time I'll try Mark's
route and see if I can resurrect the old DOS-OrCad. That is still the
best, haven't seen anything that has reached its level of perfection.
There may have been a lot of progress with autorouters over the last 20
years but with schematic capture I don't quite see such a progress.
Well, I'm not giving up altogether. I have room for mingw and msys,
which seem to be the mainline development environment for the MSWindows
executables. It will have to take its place in the FIFO, though...

And FIFO content is determined by SWMBO. I just scored one more on the
list, the guides of a large drawer in the kitchen croaked. The rollers
are, of course, not available individually. Meaning it'll be contortion
and back pain time again. Harumph.

You'd be surprised what sort of cabinet hardware you can find on the
web. I've replaced a bunch of stuff with pretty much original
hardware for SWMBO bonus points. Doesn't help the back though.


Problem is the rollers are riveted to the guides. And the new guides are
2" shorter, it was all they had. I'll have to see if that is SWMBO
acceptable.
Click to expand...
Rollers are normally riveted to the guides. It's easier to replace
the whole thing than parts (match doesn't have to be perfect). Even
HomeDespot carries an assortment of guides with lengths in 2"
increments. There are a bunch of online stores I deal with that have
an even wider selection at about 1/2 the cost (if it matters).

Somehow the cabinet hardware in the US is mostly of the
flimsy kind. The stuff in the 100+ year old bedroom set and desks we
brought over is all still ok, zero maintenance. Our 100lbs Rottweiler
once stepped on the fully extended file cabinet of my office desk, to
have an "aerial look". Didn't budge a bit.
Click to expand...
Mostly, though good furniture has good guides (one way to tell the
real quality of the piece). I did pay an extra $15 per drawer (22)
for the soft-closing slides for the Amish dining room and bedroom sets
I bought in Ohio last year. The two rooms of furniture were $15K, so
the few hundred for the top-o-the-line slides wasn't that big of a
deal. ;-)
 
krw wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:31:32 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:58:00 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:24:35 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:

I'm throwing in the towel on this one. It's probably *possible* to build
it with MSVC but, after going around and around with cmake and nmake,
I'm dying with a cubic butt-ton of unresolved linker errors about 70%+
into the process. The right way to do it would be to set up a proper gcc
environment, and that's not happening anytime soon.

I'll keep what I have in place, for now, if anyone wants to compare
notes.

Thanks for trying and letting us know, Rich. I think I am going to stay
with Eagle for now and when there is a little more time I'll try Mark's
route and see if I can resurrect the old DOS-OrCad. That is still the
best, haven't seen anything that has reached its level of perfection.
There may have been a lot of progress with autorouters over the last 20
years but with schematic capture I don't quite see such a progress.
Well, I'm not giving up altogether. I have room for mingw and msys,
which seem to be the mainline development environment for the MSWindows
executables. It will have to take its place in the FIFO, though...

And FIFO content is determined by SWMBO. I just scored one more on the
list, the guides of a large drawer in the kitchen croaked. The rollers
are, of course, not available individually. Meaning it'll be contortion
and back pain time again. Harumph.
You'd be surprised what sort of cabinet hardware you can find on the
web. I've replaced a bunch of stuff with pretty much original
hardware for SWMBO bonus points. Doesn't help the back though.

Problem is the rollers are riveted to the guides. And the new guides are
2" shorter, it was all they had. I'll have to see if that is SWMBO
acceptable.

Rollers are normally riveted to the guides. It's easier to replace
the whole thing than parts (match doesn't have to be perfect). Even
HomeDespot carries an assortment of guides with lengths in 2"
increments. There are a bunch of online stores I deal with that have
an even wider selection at about 1/2 the cost (if it matters).
Click to expand...
But the selection always ends at 24" and it's a 26" :-(

Unless you go mail order maybe but I don't want yet another project.


Somehow the cabinet hardware in the US is mostly of the
flimsy kind. The stuff in the 100+ year old bedroom set and desks we
brought over is all still ok, zero maintenance. Our 100lbs Rottweiler
once stepped on the fully extended file cabinet of my office desk, to
have an "aerial look". Didn't budge a bit.

Mostly, though good furniture has good guides (one way to tell the
real quality of the piece). I did pay an extra $15 per drawer (22)
for the soft-closing slides for the Amish dining room and bedroom sets
I bought in Ohio last year. The two rooms of furniture were $15K, so
the few hundred for the top-o-the-line slides wasn't that big of a
deal. ;-)
Click to expand...

Well, you can't really go wrong with Amish furniture. They still make
the good stuff and most likely always will. Our stuff was made where
those guys originally came from ;-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:36:54 -0800, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:31:32 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:58:00 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:24:35 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:

I'm throwing in the towel on this one. It's probably *possible* to build
it with MSVC but, after going around and around with cmake and nmake,
I'm dying with a cubic butt-ton of unresolved linker errors about 70%+
into the process. The right way to do it would be to set up a proper gcc
environment, and that's not happening anytime soon.

I'll keep what I have in place, for now, if anyone wants to compare
notes.

Thanks for trying and letting us know, Rich. I think I am going to stay
with Eagle for now and when there is a little more time I'll try Mark's
route and see if I can resurrect the old DOS-OrCad. That is still the
best, haven't seen anything that has reached its level of perfection.
There may have been a lot of progress with autorouters over the last 20
years but with schematic capture I don't quite see such a progress.
Well, I'm not giving up altogether. I have room for mingw and msys,
which seem to be the mainline development environment for the MSWindows
executables. It will have to take its place in the FIFO, though...

And FIFO content is determined by SWMBO. I just scored one more on the
list, the guides of a large drawer in the kitchen croaked. The rollers
are, of course, not available individually. Meaning it'll be contortion
and back pain time again. Harumph.
You'd be surprised what sort of cabinet hardware you can find on the
web. I've replaced a bunch of stuff with pretty much original
hardware for SWMBO bonus points. Doesn't help the back though.

Problem is the rollers are riveted to the guides. And the new guides are
2" shorter, it was all they had. I'll have to see if that is SWMBO
acceptable.

Rollers are normally riveted to the guides. It's easier to replace
the whole thing than parts (match doesn't have to be perfect). Even
HomeDespot carries an assortment of guides with lengths in 2"
increments. There are a bunch of online stores I deal with that have
an even wider selection at about 1/2 the cost (if it matters).


But the selection always ends at 24" and it's a 26" :-(
Click to expand...
When I've looked in various HomeDespots, they also have 18, 20, and
22". Have you looked on line?

Unless you go mail order maybe but I don't want yet another project.
Click to expand...
Three days, and you'll have the part. I buy most stuff online
anymore. It's cheaper and there is a lot better selection.

Somehow the cabinet hardware in the US is mostly of the
flimsy kind. The stuff in the 100+ year old bedroom set and desks we
brought over is all still ok, zero maintenance. Our 100lbs Rottweiler
once stepped on the fully extended file cabinet of my office desk, to
have an "aerial look". Didn't budge a bit.

Mostly, though good furniture has good guides (one way to tell the
real quality of the piece). I did pay an extra $15 per drawer (22)
for the soft-closing slides for the Amish dining room and bedroom sets
I bought in Ohio last year. The two rooms of furniture were $15K, so
the few hundred for the top-o-the-line slides wasn't that big of a
deal. ;-)


Well, you can't really go wrong with Amish furniture. They still make
the good stuff and most likely always will. Our stuff was made where
those guys originally came from ;-)
Click to expand...
;-)

Interesting place. They're not grid connected (against their
"religion"), but have their own diesel generators for lights and power
tools.
 
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:22:00 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:05:27 -0300, YD <ydtechHAT@techie.com> wrote:

Late at night, by candle light, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> penned
this immortal opus:

krw used his keyboard to write :
In article <mn.a5307d9188b78d0d.90583@gmail.com>,
bare.arsed@gmail.com says...
krw explained on 19/01/2009 :
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:35:00 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com
wrote:

on 16/01/2009, Paul supposed :
On Jan 15, 2:19 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Paul" <energymo...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:54c2d7cf-c506-4647-b272-17d608c8854a@x8g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

I'm testing a new DMM I purchased, AM-240 by Amprobe. It claims *over*
100Mohm impedance in 400.0mV mode.

Nothing new there, many DMM's have selectable "high impedance" or "HI-Z"
modes on the mV range. e.g. the Fluke 87.


I've looked at the specs of ~ 30 DMM's today, include a lot of
fluke's, and never seen anything near 14Gohms impedance. Keithley has
an electrometer that's probably higher. Most DMM's are around 10Mohms
(not gigaohms) input impedance. Don't you think 14 gigaohms is a bit
high?

PL

The evil thing about Voltmeters with very high impedance is they will
read induced voltages that analog meters wouldn't.
It makes a voltmeter useless for checking for live circuits in a
crowded panel.

A craftsman never blames tools for his failures. Hackers, on the
other hand...

If you work with electricity you had better know the limitations of
your tools or you will find them...the hard way.

That is certainly true (though perhaps your heirs are the ones who
will find you), but doesn't modify my statement. In this case, the
tool *can* be used as long as the one using it knows what he's
doing.

Ok....everything seems to pass right over your head....
I pointed out a limitation of a DMM and you seem to be inferring that I
am somehow a hack who blames his tools...
BTW> I am not a "craftsman" I am an electrcian..
You don't do what I do for as many years as I have without knowing what
the fuck you are doing.


What's wrong with using a hi Z voltmeter in a live panel? I do it more
often than I really care for, and never have a problem.

There isn't anything wrong with it. Analog meters are dead. High
impedance digital meters are only a problem if there is a loose nut
inside the panel, holding the leads.
Click to expand...
I noted the lack of distinction between animate and metallic nuts.
 
krw wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:36:54 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:31:32 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:58:00 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:24:35 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:

I'm throwing in the towel on this one. It's probably *possible* to build
it with MSVC but, after going around and around with cmake and nmake,
I'm dying with a cubic butt-ton of unresolved linker errors about 70%+
into the process. The right way to do it would be to set up a proper gcc
environment, and that's not happening anytime soon.

I'll keep what I have in place, for now, if anyone wants to compare
notes.

Thanks for trying and letting us know, Rich. I think I am going to stay
with Eagle for now and when there is a little more time I'll try Mark's
route and see if I can resurrect the old DOS-OrCad. That is still the
best, haven't seen anything that has reached its level of perfection.
There may have been a lot of progress with autorouters over the last 20
years but with schematic capture I don't quite see such a progress.
Well, I'm not giving up altogether. I have room for mingw and msys,
which seem to be the mainline development environment for the MSWindows
executables. It will have to take its place in the FIFO, though...

And FIFO content is determined by SWMBO. I just scored one more on the
list, the guides of a large drawer in the kitchen croaked. The rollers
are, of course, not available individually. Meaning it'll be contortion
and back pain time again. Harumph.
You'd be surprised what sort of cabinet hardware you can find on the
web. I've replaced a bunch of stuff with pretty much original
hardware for SWMBO bonus points. Doesn't help the back though.
Problem is the rollers are riveted to the guides. And the new guides are
2" shorter, it was all they had. I'll have to see if that is SWMBO
acceptable.
Rollers are normally riveted to the guides. It's easier to replace
the whole thing than parts (match doesn't have to be perfect). Even
HomeDespot carries an assortment of guides with lengths in 2"
increments. There are a bunch of online stores I deal with that have
an even wider selection at about 1/2 the cost (if it matters).

But the selection always ends at 24" and it's a 26" :-(

When I've looked in various HomeDespots, they also have 18, 20, and
22". Have you looked on line?

Unless you go mail order maybe but I don't want yet another project.

Three days, and you'll have the part. I buy most stuff online
anymore. It's cheaper and there is a lot better selection.
Click to expand...
Yeah, if SWMBO ain't happy with the 24" I got I'll order online. Better
than hearing complaints about it every other week :)


Somehow the cabinet hardware in the US is mostly of the
flimsy kind. The stuff in the 100+ year old bedroom set and desks we
brought over is all still ok, zero maintenance. Our 100lbs Rottweiler
once stepped on the fully extended file cabinet of my office desk, to
have an "aerial look". Didn't budge a bit.
Mostly, though good furniture has good guides (one way to tell the
real quality of the piece). I did pay an extra $15 per drawer (22)
for the soft-closing slides for the Amish dining room and bedroom sets
I bought in Ohio last year. The two rooms of furniture were $15K, so
the few hundred for the top-o-the-line slides wasn't that big of a
deal. ;-)

Well, you can't really go wrong with Amish furniture. They still make
the good stuff and most likely always will. Our stuff was made where
those guys originally came from ;-)

;-)

Interesting place. They're not grid connected (against their
"religion"), but have their own diesel generators for lights and power
tools.
Click to expand...
The Diesels are for fridges AFAIR. The laws made them do that.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
In article <7PJdl.1710$PE4.565@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net says...>
krw wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:36:54 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:31:32 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:58:00 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:24:35 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:

I'm throwing in the towel on this one. It's probably *possible* to build
it with MSVC but, after going around and around with cmake and nmake,
I'm dying with a cubic butt-ton of unresolved linker errors about 70%+
into the process. The right way to do it would be to set up a proper gcc
environment, and that's not happening anytime soon.

I'll keep what I have in place, for now, if anyone wants to compare
notes.

Thanks for trying and letting us know, Rich. I think I am going to stay
with Eagle for now and when there is a little more time I'll try Mark's
route and see if I can resurrect the old DOS-OrCad. That is still the
best, haven't seen anything that has reached its level of perfection.
There may have been a lot of progress with autorouters over the last 20
years but with schematic capture I don't quite see such a progress.
Well, I'm not giving up altogether. I have room for mingw and msys,
which seem to be the mainline development environment for the MSWindows
executables. It will have to take its place in the FIFO, though...

And FIFO content is determined by SWMBO. I just scored one more on the
list, the guides of a large drawer in the kitchen croaked. The rollers
are, of course, not available individually. Meaning it'll be contortion
and back pain time again. Harumph.
You'd be surprised what sort of cabinet hardware you can find on the
web. I've replaced a bunch of stuff with pretty much original
hardware for SWMBO bonus points. Doesn't help the back though.
Problem is the rollers are riveted to the guides. And the new guides are
2" shorter, it was all they had. I'll have to see if that is SWMBO
acceptable.
Rollers are normally riveted to the guides. It's easier to replace
the whole thing than parts (match doesn't have to be perfect). Even
HomeDespot carries an assortment of guides with lengths in 2"
increments. There are a bunch of online stores I deal with that have
an even wider selection at about 1/2 the cost (if it matters).

But the selection always ends at 24" and it's a 26" :-(

When I've looked in various HomeDespots, they also have 18, 20, and
22". Have you looked on line?

Unless you go mail order maybe but I don't want yet another project.

Three days, and you'll have the part. I buy most stuff online
anymore. It's cheaper and there is a lot better selection.


Yeah, if SWMBO ain't happy with the 24" I got I'll order online. Better
than hearing complaints about it every other week :)


Somehow the cabinet hardware in the US is mostly of the
flimsy kind. The stuff in the 100+ year old bedroom set and desks we
brought over is all still ok, zero maintenance. Our 100lbs Rottweiler
once stepped on the fully extended file cabinet of my office desk, to
have an "aerial look". Didn't budge a bit.
Mostly, though good furniture has good guides (one way to tell the
real quality of the piece). I did pay an extra $15 per drawer (22)
for the soft-closing slides for the Amish dining room and bedroom sets
I bought in Ohio last year. The two rooms of furniture were $15K, so
the few hundred for the top-o-the-line slides wasn't that big of a
deal. ;-)

Well, you can't really go wrong with Amish furniture. They still make
the good stuff and most likely always will. Our stuff was made where
those guys originally came from ;-)

;-)

Interesting place. They're not grid connected (against their
"religion"), but have their own diesel generators for lights and power
tools.


The Diesels are for fridges AFAIR. The laws made them do that.
Click to expand...
No fridges in a furniture showroom/factory. Gas would be
better/cheaper than a generator just for the fridges.
 
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