Driver to drive?

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:05:55 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in <gkl2h7$js5$1@news.datemas.de>:

On a sunny day (Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:42:24 -0800 (PST)) it happened
"miso@sushi.com" <miso@sushi.com> wrote in
04e34b99-fd66-44c4-8bd6-c17bb8773598@p2g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:

In a discrete design, in theory you could use depletion mosfets.
http://www.aldinc.com/pdf/ALD114804.pdf

mm
Here is a simple example for a MOSFET low dropout regulation I just composed:
ftp://panteltje.com/pub/MOSFET_low_dropout_regulator_with_short_circuit_protection.gif

Output is over R7, so the regulator is in the *minus* lead.
Q1 is for start up, to hold current limit inactive for about 1.5 ms (C1 + R8).
The current is then measured by using the voltage drop over the MOSFET.
If it exceeds .75 V then Q1 starts conducting, and the MOSFET is switched off,
resulting in the voltage over it to become much higher, and Q2 conducting more,
output goes then to zero permanently.
It will, depending on the type of MOSFET, easily do 45A..... before it either evaporates
(too big a value for C1, too long current sense inhibit), or melts (huge heatsink needed).
You can limit much lower, I use a LM324 in my other project to sense the voltage over the MOSFET,
but did not find a spice model for the LM324 for LTspice, so maybe later.
C2 is needed to keep if from going bad if entering current limit.

You can leave Q1, Q2, and associated components out, and use a fast fuse I guess....
Good thing is that it seems stable with about any MOSFET I select.
Ripple rejection is about 10x for small signals..

Here is the same one with >25A trip.
The trip value is set by R10.
It pre-biases Q1, so it opens earlier, at a lower volatge across the MOSFET.
Had to increase C2 to 220pF to avoid oscillations in the trip region.
Forgot the link:
ftp://panteltje.com/pub/MOSFET_low_dropout_regulator_with_short_circuit_protection2.gif

 

[Richard The Dreaded Liber]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:46:52 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:16:55 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"

When energy is sent towards money the money starts tranmitting a
signal/information.
For example, put money in microwave for 3 seconds and the chip will catch
fire.
Seen this myself
My question about this is:
What is the range of the signal ?
Should "we" be worried that criminals start scanning our houses in search
of money ?
The 20 euro bill I put in microwave was from 2001 and seemed to contain a
rf-chip, I am not sure though but I am bit worried about that !
Could have other privacy implications as well

Face it: soon Europeans will be tracked in everywhere they walk, drive,
park, use a phone or a computer, and spend or even carry money. Not only
will computers read and log RFIDs and national ID cards and auto GPS
locations, video cameras will be constantly recording stores, streets, and
highways. Since everyone else is tracked, too, they'll know who you have
been with. You will get a monthly report of every transaction, every place
you car has driven or parked, every train/bus/airline you have traveled
on, every meal you have ordered and its health and environmental impact. A
bill will list the appropriate carbon taxes, sales taxes, VAT add-ons, and
fines/fees for speeding/parking/gardening without a permit/missing
class/working too little or too much.

Your paranoia is finally justified.

Unfortunately, America seems to be headed down the same primrose path.

Sigh.
Rich

 

[krw]

In article <pan.2009.01.14.18.27.46.348747@example.net>,
null@example.net says...>

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:08:12 -0600, krw wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:04:25 GMT, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:57:22 -0600, krw wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:12:08 GMT, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian

Here's my gun license:

Amendment II, Constitution of the United States:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed.
--
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

How does that work out for you in California? Do you carry concealed?

You have to, here in the People's Republic. If they saw it in plain view,
they'd gun you down in cold blood.

I meant, are permits easily obtained? Here, concealed is the only legal
way to carry.

I dunno - I'd have to look it up:
Oh! Imagine my surprise!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=california+gun+permits

That doesn't address the practicalities of the matter. It says a
license is required but nothing about the realities. Since you
refuse to answer a simple question, I can only assume you're
talking through your hat.

Hope This Helps!

No you don't.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

"Richard The Dreaded Libertarian" <null@example.net> wrote in message
newsan.2009.01.14.18.40.07.758760@example.net...

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:46:52 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:16:55 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"

When energy is sent towards money the money starts tranmitting a
signal/information.
For example, put money in microwave for 3 seconds and the chip will catch
fire.
Seen this myself
My question about this is:
What is the range of the signal ?
Should "we" be worried that criminals start scanning our houses in search
of money ?
The 20 euro bill I put in microwave was from 2001 and seemed to contain a
rf-chip, I am not sure though but I am bit worried about that !
Could have other privacy implications as well

Face it: soon Europeans will be tracked in everywhere they walk, drive,
park, use a phone or a computer, and spend or even carry money. Not only
will computers read and log RFIDs and national ID cards and auto GPS
locations, video cameras will be constantly recording stores, streets,
and
highways. Since everyone else is tracked, too, they'll know who you have
been with. You will get a monthly report of every transaction, every
place
you car has driven or parked, every train/bus/airline you have traveled
on, every meal you have ordered and its health and environmental impact.
A
bill will list the appropriate carbon taxes, sales taxes, VAT add-ons,
and
fines/fees for speeding/parking/gardening without a permit/missing
class/working too little or too much.

Your paranoia is finally justified.

Unfortunately, America seems to be headed down the same primrose path.

Lol,

Do still think wearing a tin foil hat is funny ?

Bye,
Skybuck =D

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:27:25 -0600, Stephen Sprunk
<stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:

Skybuck Flying wrote:
Today I bought American Dollar Bills to find out for myself.

Here is my website:

http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/WorldTradeCenterConspiracy/

I am convinced.

Then you're an idiot. The $5 and $10 bills you have were designed in
1999, the $20 and $50 bills in 1996, and the $100 bill way back in 1928.
(The bills were colorized slightly in 2004-2006, but the design was
otherwise unchanged.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_one_hundred-dollar_bill

 

[Stephen Sprunk]

Skybuck Flying wrote:

"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message
news:xvnbl.13666$YU2.2566@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
Skybuck Flying wrote:
Today I bought American Dollar Bills to find out for myself.

Here is my website:

http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/WorldTradeCenterConspiracy/

I am convinced.

Then you're an idiot. The $5 and $10 bills you have were designed in
1999, the $20 and $50 bills in 1996, and the $100 bill way back in 1928.
(The bills were colorized slightly in 2004-2006, but the design was
otherwise unchanged.)

The video speaks for itself.

While some bills were designed long ago.

Which shoots the entire theory to bits.

Recent bills have be modified to fit the story better.

The most recent designs were first issued in 1996 or 1999, and were
designed years before going into production. What "story" about the WTC
existed then, other than the failed 1993 bombing?

This is a coincidence; conspiracy nuts always find what they're looking
for, whether it's there or not. Even if there _were_ a conspiracy, there
is absolutely no logical reason that anyone in the Bureau of Engraving and
Printing would have known about it, much less secretly inserted it into
the design of bills, up to 73 years before the 9/11 attacks.

The video compares bills from before 1996 and after 1996.

There is clearly a modification that makes it fit the story better.

All that is clear is that you're an adolescent troll (and not even a
very bright one) who is unable to listen to reason or remain remotely
on-topic for the newsgroups you post in.

There are plenty of real conspiracies out there; this is not one of them.

S

--
Stephen Sprunk "Stupid people surround themselves with smart
CCIE #3723 people. Smart people surround themselves with
K5SSS smart people who disagree with them." --Isaac Jaffe

 

From: Tony Lance <judemarie@bigberthathing.co.uk>
Newsgroups: swnet.sci.astro,sci.space.policy
Subject: Big Bertha Thing redoubt
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:28:32 +0100

Big Bertha Thing memoriam

Tony died raising his best friends family,
His wife needed two helpers, his poor heart and him.
Carer, postman, welder and domino player.
RAF aircraft fitter at Battle of Britain and El Alamain.
Outboxed a voortrecker at middleweight.
Raised trade union branch president and
National officer of voluntary .org
Taught me to keep the faith,
Mend my bicycle and trigonometry.
His story is ended, but not yet finished.

NB (2008)
'The Air Force have been magnificent all through.
We should never have got through the wadis except for their help.
They laid what Tedder calls a carpet for us; all day,
over and over again they came down to ground level ahead of us,
shooting up everything they saw resisting the advance,
and bombing all the anti-tank positions. It was magnificent,
but it was very costly to them because the Germans have plenty of
light flak.
Over and over again in the last few days
we have found crashed Hurricanes and Kittihawks in our advance,
scores of them, some with the body of the pilot still in the seat.
The Germans are resisting desperately;
if we get through to Tunis it will be because
of what these Air Force boys are doing to prepare the ground ahead of
us
and their self-sacrifice.'
Quote from fictional letter by Brigadier Carter-Hayes,
who had just died in Tunisia, about El Alamain.

From the book Pastoral by Nevil Shute
Published by Heinemann in 1944

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
tonyla...@myinternetuk.com wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: tonyla...@myinternetuk.com
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:11:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Planets Gather on May 5 and May 17, 2000
To: swnet.sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary

Hi Marcus,

 

[Piet Beertema]

Chris Jones wrote:

Pim Schaeffer wrote:
The transmission is mostley encrypted, but there are some flaws.
It is posible to detect the country of origin from the person.
So it is posible to make a smart bom, just killing americans.

Actually, according to what I have read, Americans are relatively
difficult to detect (at least by interrogating the RFID in their
passports), because unlike most other countries they had the
foresight to include a sheet of aluminium foil on a different
page to the chip

Target those in sight and not rfid-responding. Problem solved.

-p

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:53:32 -0800, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:42:16 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:01:17 -0500, "Paul E. Schoen"
pstech@smart.net> wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:s2rcm45rdcha18hcto0od5j56otdlub03e@4ax.com...


Hi,

Our long-time PADS guy left to start a new life, and we're breaking in
a replacement.

It's going well, except for this annoyance: we used an old board as
the basis for a new one, with a big ECO, saving the outline, mounting
holes, and most of the power supply stuff. Works fine, renamed and
saved as a new design. But the fab and assembly drawings still show
the old design name at the lower-left, and we can't find the menu item
that might allow us to change this. The PADS docs and HELP are of
course no help.

We're running Logic and PCB version 5.0.

This isn't a problem in schematic printouts, since there the design
name comes out as a pleasing string of heiroglyphics.

Help appreciated.

John

This would be a good question to post on the PADS forum, but I think you
can change the name of the design when you "Run" the "Print/Plot" menu, and
there is a little text box for job name.

Otherwise, you can just export the design to an ASCII file and find the
offending text, change it, and ASCII import back in.

I have PADS2004sp2. I think it worked the same with its predecessor, 5.x.

If you had a newer version this might not work. Every time they fixed one
bug, they introduced a few more "features" and a whole sackful of new bugs.

Paul


Thanks: it turns out that you have to save the project and re-open
it... it's that simple. Our new pcb person had kept the job open for
days, without a save-as!

We dropped PADS support at V5. Pads 5 is essentially perfect, so all
Mentor could do is break it. When they started offering courses to
help experienced Logic users to use the new rev of Logic, we figured
it was time to bail.

John


I can still hear the echoes of the save early and often lecture you
gave him. Or am i just overly hopeful?

It's The Brat, and she had to learn PC layout in one week, the only
overlap with our guy who was leaving. That's a lot of stuff to cram
into one week.

She's finished one board, a little thing I threw together as a
practice project she could get done before he left. It's a gain-100,
DC- 1.5 GHz amplifier in a little box, with some hooks for use as a
photodiode amp and maybe an active signal pickoff. We're sending it
out for board fab today; if it works maybe we'll press release it as a
product.

John

 

[Frithiof Jensen]

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelelsen
news:012bdd20-fa16-4f5d-88db-6241d9d3eb14@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 10, 6:01 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Correct..and state and local tax revenues continue to tank in CA.

So how are we going to make up the difference Gunner?

Start printing IOU's to state emplyees instead of real money?

TMT

 

[Frithiof Jensen]

<bill.sloman@ieee.org> skrev i meddelelsen
news:74d62c0b-4e6e-4c92-a338-91b310878a14@p36g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
On 11 jan, 19:59, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:

And you are horribly naive if
you don't understand that Presidents are surrounded by advisers.

Much good that does if the president doesn't like what they tell him
and goes ahead and invades Irak anyway.

I shall look much forward to your stunned silence when, not if but when, Sct
Obama goes "double-up" on the lost causes in Iraq and Afghanistan to show
the doubters how "tough on terrrism" he really is!!



--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Frithiof Jensen]

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen
news:6sndk3F71ggvU5@mid.individual.net...

Thinking about the convenience of running a custom design on a PCB and
fitting it to the PCI slot on a PC, just for convenience of voltage,
housing etc.

Are there any manufacturers that sell blanks with gold plated connectors?
Is that the best way to do it?

Your favorite PCB design tool may have a symbol (and if it is good a stack
of VHDL for the interface logic too) already setup.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:08:41 -0800 (PST)) it happened
"miso@sushi.com" <miso@sushi.com> wrote in
<0d8e8ddb-8b4b-4504-aaf2-bfba6103a3c5@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>:

ftp://panteltje.com/pub/MOSFET_low_dropout_regulator_with_short_circuit_protection2.gif

I would use a controller chip over discretes. For one thing, the long
tail pair matching in the error amp will be better over discretes.

That is absolutely true.
However we should never forget what we use it for,
and high accuracy is not really a big thing here.
What counts is that I have the transistors laying about
I am actually working on something like this, as a ripple filter
stage coming after a switch mode computer supply for 25A or so.
The idea is to do AC peak detection on the _output_, and then
use that detected voltage to create a voltage drop (low) over
the series regulator, so that drop is just enough to filter out the ripple.
Dunno if that ever has been done, you cannot go for 'zero ripple',
but set for example for 1 mV or so.
Computer switchmodes are really really noisy, and this way you minimise
losses, so for 1V ripple drop the 12V PC supply to about 11V ripple free.
Will try some simulation tomorrow perhaps, and yes, that uses a LM324 opamp,
not a long tailed pair.

 

[miso@sushi.com]

On Jan 14, 8:05 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

 On a sunny day (Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:42:24 -0800 (PST)) it happened
"m...@sushi.com" <m...@sushi.com> wrote in
04e34b99-fd66-44c4-8bd6-c17bb8773...@p2g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:

In a discrete design, in theory you could use depletion mosfets.
http://www.aldinc.com/pdf/ALD114804.pdf

mm
Here is a simple example for a MOSFET low dropout regulation I just composed:
 ftp://panteltje.com/pub/MOSFET_low_dropout_regulator_with_short_circu....

Output is over R7, so the regulator is in the *minus* lead.
Q1 is for start up, to hold current limit inactive for about 1.5 ms (C1 + R8).
The current is then measured by using the voltage drop over the MOSFET.
If it exceeds .75 V then Q1 starts conducting, and the MOSFET is switched off,
resulting in the voltage over it to become much higher, and Q2 conducting more,
output goes then to zero permanently.
It will, depending on the type of MOSFET, easily do 45A..... before it either evaporates
(too big a value for C1, too long current sense inhibit), or melts (huge heatsink needed).
You can limit much lower, I use a LM324 in my other project to sense the voltage over the MOSFET,
but did not find a spice model for the LM324 for LTspice, so maybe later.
C2 is needed to keep if from going bad if entering current limit.

You can leave Q1, Q2, and associated components out, and use a fast fuse I guess....
Good thing is that it seems stable with about any MOSFET I select.
Ripple rejection is about 10x for small signals..

I would use a controller chip over discretes. For one thing, the long
tail pair matching in the error amp will be better over discretes.

 

[Martin Brown]

On Jan 14, 5:34 pm, "bungalow_st...@yahoo.com"
<bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jan 12, 5:51 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
wrote:

On Jan 12, 3:24 am, T <kd1s.nos...@cox.nospam.net> wrote:

In article <49696218.6A14D...@hotmail.com>,
rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com says...

T wrote:
I don't know about the economy side. That Cobalt I rented got a solid
37MPG on the highway and I was doing  65 to 70MPH the entire way.

That isn't especially good. Almost any decent modern wind tunnel
design should get 40+mpg cruising steadily.

??

There are plenty of petrol engine cars in Europe or Japan that can
easily manage this sort of fuel efficiency on the open road. 40mpg
cruising is the target minimum for environmentally friendly cars now.
Some fleet cars are closer to 50mpg. Heck more than a decade ago some
of the saloon cars I had in Japan were capable of 40mpg. The US ones
Bush the elder forced the Japanese to buy after throwing up over the
Prime Minister were fit only for landfill.

A BMW 3.25 with ~220hp petrol engine averages around 51mpg on
motorways at 70+mph (even allowing for your smaller gallons that is
still a lot better). The diesel 320d manages almost 70mpg on
motorways.

you must have your liters/gallons or km/miles conversion screwed, no
325 gas gets 51mpg, if your's does tell BMW your modifications (they
claim 20/29mpg), small hybrids barely get 51,

 it's just AMAZING you believe this, did you ever own a car?

I own a manual 320d (diesel) it will cruise on a level motorway at a
steady 70+ and deliver a shade under 70mpg. If I drive carefully on a
quiet road at optimimum speed it is possible to beat their claimed
extra urban figure (but not much fun). My wife gets better mpg than I
do. My previous model 320d had a lifetime average of 57mpg over
140,000 miles including a proportion of twisty country roads but
almost no stop start town driving if I could help it.

http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesandspecifications/0,,1156_181246516__bs-Mw%3D%3D%40bb-TEkwOA%3D%3D%40bm-WkowNw%3D%3D%40sit-bmwuk,00.html
(be a miracle if that survives Googles tender embrace)

I know this must sound unbelievable in a country where profligate
waste is mandatory and dirt cheap gas coupled with soggy suspension
and lousy aerodynamics means cars manage 20mpg only with difficulty.
Some of your SUVs barely manage double digits.

The 5 series are 3-5 mpg behind.

blah, try 28mpg

It only does 28mpg or less if you thrash the engine like a complete
pillock alternately stamping on the brake and gas pedal. You can have
a lot of fun in a BMW on bendy country roads and the fuel consumption
is then lot worse. But on the open road at a steady speed a 525 will
effortlessly cruise at 80+ and deliver about 50mpg. Don't take my word
for it here is the manufacturers summary web page
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesandspecifications_technical_specs/0,,1156_2053__bs-NQ%3D%3D%40bb-TEk%3D%40bm-TlU3Mg%3D%3D%40sit-bmwuk,00.html?tab=technicalSpec

(and in the UK they would be prosecuted under advertising standards if
these numbers were not supportable)

I am curious about how the US market BMW models are so badly
compromised. Air pollution measures perhaps or only offering insane
sized engines weighed down and neutered by antipollution measures and
boutique fuel? Your short measure liquid gallons should only account
for about 20% less miles per gallon. So my car would still cruise at
70+mph and 56mpg(US). And the midrange petrol models would come out
closer to 40mpg(US).

Any US BMW owners here care to comment on their measured fuel
efficiency cruising at speed?

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:01:20 +0100, Skybuck Flying wrote:

Do still think wearing a tin foil hat is funny ?

No, merely pathetic.

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Skybuck Flying]

I am not going to speculate about possible plots.

All I am doing is looking at the facts.

The facts clearly show a story in the bills which funny enough can be seen
by anybody including you.

Add to the fact that the folds look like a paper stealth bomber and it's
clear what it's purpose is... to bomb.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Larry Elmore]

Skybuck Flying wrote:

I am not going to speculate about possible plots.

All I am doing is looking at the facts.

The facts clearly show a story in the bills which funny enough can be seen
by anybody including you.

Add to the fact that the folds look like a paper stealth bomber and it's
clear what it's purpose is... to bomb.

Or just to bamboozle those among us who are "bombed" out of their skulls.

If you looked hard enough, you could probably unearth other bill-folding
"evidence" that the Treasury Dept. was in on the planning of the attack
on Pearl Harbor, too.

 

[JosephKK]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:22:45 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2009-01-11, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jasen Betts wrote:


On 2009-01-10, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:


On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:01:57 -0800 (PST), Greegor
Greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:



On Jan 9, 9:25 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-


Is a preceding ringing voltage required to get your CID display to
work, or is the Channel Seizure preamble what resets it?

http://books.google.com/books?id=XpNSQNYmGyoC&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=Channel+Seizure+preamble&source=web&ots=k_8ApWrZ9R&sig=Amm5SGDWRp6hGVIvpcaSJqcop_I&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result

Page 34

Does this help any?

That doesn't tell us if the Channel Seizure initiates the caller-ID
decoding or the ring voltage does. From what Charlie says it may be
either way :-(


???

caller-id is transmitted (once) as a V.23 (or BELL202) signal
between (or before) ring bursts.

what is this "decoding" you speak of.


Bell202? You mean that there is "feedback" at 300 baud?


No, 1200 baud, simplex.

Then that could be either Bell202 or Bell212, yes?

OK. I had to go check it out. Bell 202 is a 1200 baud half duplex
POTS modem; Bell 212 is a helicopter. Sorry about having them mixes
up before.

 

[JosephKK]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:30:58 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

JosephKK wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:07:51 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:


JosephKK wrote:


On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:58:51 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:



Jim Thompson wrote:


On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:16:39 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:




Robert Baer wrote:



Robert Baer wrote:




Prelim specs:
1) Plugs into phone line, phone plugs into the black box.
2) Black box records all possible info concerning incoming calls for
later viewing and evidence gathering.
3) If incoming call is not in (programmable) list, then the caller
hears the 3 magic tones as loud as possible followed by a message
delivered s.l.o.w.l.y. "The number you have dialed is not active" and
(options) immediately hang up, OR forward call WITH CID info to a
provided number (say police non-emergency or FBI).
4) If call is in list, then the connected phone rings (call
"forwarded" to it).
5) Memory allows storage of at least 100 incoming SpamCalls per day,
say minimum of 500 total.
Is there anything like this on the market?
If such a device was designed, what would be the estimated sales price?

The sooner i can get one of these, the better.
Marketeers are driving me nuts.

Hello?
When can i buy even a prototype?


Be patient ;-)

...Jim Thompson

OK.
Be advised that the majority of SPAMcalls "id" as "UUU UNKNOWN
CALLER" or as "PPP PRIVATE CALLER" and the so-called trace (*57) does
not work.
So a "blacklist" of unwanted numbers is not all that useful.
Not that i object to such an idea, but the black box should reject /
shunt all calls not on the whitelist.
And a simple message to unwanted callers is not sufficent.
A selection of pre-programmed responses that the user can "piece
together" would seem to be ideal, and definitely should include those 3
magic tones.
"Instant pickup and response" is perfect, especially for those
unidentified callers - using the 3 tones.

BTW, what if the caller siezes the line? (happens sometimes)
Is there any way to ZAP them and recover use of the line?


POTS lines are loop start and no-loop stop. If i am hearing a
longwinded ad that interferes with what i wish to do, i just pop the
jack out of the wall for a few seconds. The call has been ended.


Normally, that seems to be the case.
BUT.
One time, the bastard caller was back on the line (no ring)
immediately after i hung up, and i kept trying to get rid of the bastatd
for well over 2 minutes.
I understand that reverse polarity (for some unknown period) is
supposed to fix those shit problems.
And i am being polite.


Polarity reversal is generally a CO to CO signal. If you want to try
it at home you need a pretty good battery. And it still may not work.

Your pest has a witched PABX that does not recognize definite hang-up
properly.

Oh. Then forget the reverse polarity idea.

Don't know how long your hang up, wait, pick up for outgoing call
cadence is. But on hook should be at least 4 seconds for the CO
signals to propagate.