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Eeyore
Guest
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Graham
Your personal opinion in this matter is irrelevant.
Graham
Guest
On 20 okt, 22:02, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
He posts a lot more text telling us how wonderful Highland
Technology's products are than he ever posts on the wonderful circuits
his products incorporate.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
Actually, he's a salesman, posing as a circuit designer.
He posts a lot more text telling us how wonderful Highland
Technology's products are than he ever posts on the wonderful circuits
his products incorporate.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
J
Jan Panteltje
Guest
On a sunny day (Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:48:23 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Martin
Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
<171befa1-a477-498d-b2e5-9c97a680d92a@y71g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:
I do not how it is specified in your box, but bit errors should
not normally be present.
A few, up to a few hundred perhaps, can be corrected, above that you
will quickly hit serous picture breakup.
Bit errors can come from other sources too, I have a small USB fan,
one of those things you can connect to your PC and uses USB power
to run (bad idea, not even a chip in there), but anyways it has this
small DC motor with brushes, and those sparks cause noise all the way up
to GHz range, causing lots of bit errors...
Took me a while to figure that out, until I noticed the errors where only
there when the fan was running.
Tried to put some caps in it, helped a bit, finally stopped using that fan.
So check electric equipment in the area...
Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
<171befa1-a477-498d-b2e5-9c97a680d92a@y71g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:
In fact the bit error rate is about the only important thing
I do not how it is specified in your box, but bit errors should
not normally be present.
A few, up to a few hundred perhaps, can be corrected, above that you
will quickly hit serous picture breakup.
Bit errors can come from other sources too, I have a small USB fan,
one of those things you can connect to your PC and uses USB power
to run (bad idea, not even a chip in there), but anyways it has this
small DC motor with brushes, and those sparks cause noise all the way up
to GHz range, causing lots of bit errors...
Took me a while to figure that out, until I noticed the errors where only
there when the fan was running.
Tried to put some caps in it, helped a bit, finally stopped using that fan.
So check electric equipment in the area...
Yep.
R
Robert Lacoste
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news: 48FC8C4E.F9E7E4B1@hotmail.com...
www.cypress.com/psoc or http://www.cypress.com/shop/
news: 48FC8C4E.F9E7E4B1@hotmail.com...
Cypress propose a starter kit for 29$95 with a built in programmer, see
www.cypress.com/psoc or http://www.cypress.com/shop/
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Martin Brown
Guest
john jardine wrote:
might be more appropriate.
only then on the weaker stations but wrecked MPEG effect is pretty
annoying. The low signal degradation is anything but graceful and very
cubist. The diagnostics on my various set top boxes and internal dtv
shows that at what it calls signal = 5/10 the results are fine and at
4/10 it is worse than useless. The weaker stations hover around 6/10
in fine weather most of the main ones are 10/10 (and 9/10 in heavy
rain).
strength and bit error rate (the latter typically scores 10 or 0 so is
a pretty useless measure). I'd wonder about front end overloading as
they wind up the wick if you are within visual range of a nearby
transmitter. Maybe worth trying an attenuator...
It is a bit worrying that electronics engineers are having trouble
getting adequate performance out of dtv. What chance the general
public?
Regards,
Martin Brown
I'd have thought that close to a transmitter a piece of wet string"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news
Jan Panteltje wrote:
The free spaces between US digital TV stations can now be used for
wireless services.
In spite of failed tests ;-)
In German:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/US-Regulierer-will-den-Weissen-Raum-oeffnen--
/meldung/117556
That has been around since a long time. Our church uses wireless mikes
as a secondary UHF user. Of course we made sure that this doesn't bother
anyone. Love thy neighbor
DTV is a whole 'nother ballgame. It falls apart every other night around
here. And when it goes then most of the channels turn into a blocky
Picasso, not just one.
Even though I can see the Emley Moor TV transmitter from my window and have
a steerable Yagi and have just replaced my set top box with a new one and
know I've an excellent signal cos the spectrum analyser says so, I still see
a crap picture.
might be more appropriate.
I only have that problem when it rains heavily (like last night). And
only then on the weaker stations but wrecked MPEG effect is pretty
annoying. The low signal degradation is anything but graceful and very
cubist. The diagnostics on my various set top boxes and internal dtv
shows that at what it calls signal = 5/10 the results are fine and at
4/10 it is worse than useless. The weaker stations hover around 6/10
in fine weather most of the main ones are 10/10 (and 9/10 in heavy
rain).
What diagnostics does your set top box provide? Mine shows signal
strength and bit error rate (the latter typically scores 10 or 0 so is
a pretty useless measure). I'd wonder about front end overloading as
they wind up the wick if you are within visual range of a nearby
transmitter. Maybe worth trying an attenuator...
It is a bit worrying that electronics engineers are having trouble
getting adequate performance out of dtv. What chance the general
public?
Regards,
Martin Brown
J
Jan Panteltje
Guest
On a sunny day (Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:36:32 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Martin
Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
<44f3d14b-d852-48a2-88d6-1a9d8303b9e1@v72g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>:
Here is some code sniplet of 'xdipo', my Linux sat receiver / recorder /positioner,
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/satellite/xdipo-0.7.3.tgz
you can see screen shots here:
With bit errors:
ftp://panteltje.com/pub/xdipo1.jpg
Without bit errors:
ftp://panteltje.com/pub/xdipo2.jpg
I know the code is not perfect, and I should fix things, but it works 100%,
so I leave it like it is for now:
/* get front end info */
/*
bit error rate, multiple of 10-9,
2500 = 2.5 10-6 is 1 error in 400000
*/
a = ioctl(fd_frontend, FE_READ_BER, &bit_error_rate);
if(a < 0)
{
fprintf(stderr, "xdipo: print_status(): error=%d reading fd_frontend bit_error_rate\n", a);
perror("reason ");
}
sprintf(temp, "%d", bit_error_rate);
fl_set_object_label(fdui -> main_form_bit_error_rate_text_field, temp);
if(bit_error_rate > 20000)
{
fl_set_object_color(fdui -> main_form_bit_error_rate_text_field,\
FL_RED, FL_RED);
}
else if(bit_error_rate > 5000)
{
fl_set_object_color(fdui -> main_form_bit_error_rate_text_field,\
FL_DARKORANGE, FL_DARKORANGE);
}
else if(bit_error_rate != 0)
{
fl_set_object_color(fdui -> main_form_bit_error_rate_text_field,\
FL_YELLOW, FL_YELLOW);
}
else
{
fl_set_object_color(fdui -> main_form_bit_error_rate_text_field,\
FL_GREEN, FL_GREEN);
}
with time stamp, this so when I need to edit mpeg2 material I know where
to look for dropped / bad frames and especially the associated audio / video sync problems.
When for example a frame is dropped, audio may get out of sync in the editor.
So recording generates 2 files, just a quick test:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-10-21 14:47 Astra2_BBC2.12h00.21-10-2008-20m.ts.bit_errors
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2341164 2008-10-21 14:47 Astra2_BBC2.12h00.21-10-2008-20m.ts
it is a blue lamp with electric wires around it, if an insect flies into the wires
it gets electrocuted by some 500V DC.
I noticed on shortwave it creates a constant noise,
coming from minuscule arcs from the wires to the remains of insects (legs, wings).
It does not seem to cause bit errors in the sat bands at 10GHz.
Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
<44f3d14b-d852-48a2-88d6-1a9d8303b9e1@v72g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>:
In fact the bit error rate is about the only important thing
I do not how it is specified in your box, but bit errors should
not normally be present.
Or present only at a very low level. They claim BER < 1e-15 as the
target. I reckon in practice it is one uncorrected every couple of
hours ~ 1e-12 back of the envelope (usually manifested as an audio
glitch as they seem to be by far the most obtrusive). Typically a few
ms of click or near ultrasonic hiss.
Here is some code sniplet of 'xdipo', my Linux sat receiver / recorder /positioner,
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/satellite/xdipo-0.7.3.tgz
you can see screen shots here:
With bit errors:
ftp://panteltje.com/pub/xdipo1.jpg
Without bit errors:
ftp://panteltje.com/pub/xdipo2.jpg
I know the code is not perfect, and I should fix things, but it works 100%,
so I leave it like it is for now:
/* get front end info */
/*
bit error rate, multiple of 10-9,
2500 = 2.5 10-6 is 1 error in 400000
*/
a = ioctl(fd_frontend, FE_READ_BER, &bit_error_rate);
if(a < 0)
{
fprintf(stderr, "xdipo: print_status(): error=%d reading fd_frontend bit_error_rate\n", a);
perror("reason ");
}
sprintf(temp, "%d", bit_error_rate);
fl_set_object_label(fdui -> main_form_bit_error_rate_text_field, temp);
if(bit_error_rate > 20000)
{
fl_set_object_color(fdui -> main_form_bit_error_rate_text_field,\
FL_RED, FL_RED);
}
else if(bit_error_rate > 5000)
{
fl_set_object_color(fdui -> main_form_bit_error_rate_text_field,\
FL_DARKORANGE, FL_DARKORANGE);
}
else if(bit_error_rate != 0)
{
fl_set_object_color(fdui -> main_form_bit_error_rate_text_field,\
FL_YELLOW, FL_YELLOW);
}
else
{
fl_set_object_color(fdui -> main_form_bit_error_rate_text_field,\
FL_GREEN, FL_GREEN);
}
So I use colors (I think many soft receivers do that).
I have gone one step further, I write the bit errors to a file
with time stamp, this so when I need to edit mpeg2 material I know where
to look for dropped / bad frames and especially the associated audio / video sync problems.
When for example a frame is dropped, audio may get out of sync in the editor.
So recording generates 2 files, just a quick test:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-10-21 14:47 Astra2_BBC2.12h00.21-10-2008-20m.ts.bit_errors
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2341164 2008-10-21 14:47 Astra2_BBC2.12h00.21-10-2008-20m.ts
I found an other unexpected source of RF noise, I have this insect kill lamp,
it is a blue lamp with electric wires around it, if an insect flies into the wires
it gets electrocuted by some 500V DC.
I noticed on shortwave it creates a constant noise,
coming from minuscule arcs from the wires to the remains of insects (legs, wings).
It does not seem to cause bit errors in the sat bands at 10GHz.
J
John Fields
Guest
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:05:07 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Since whether one likes reverb or not is subjective, and since whether
or not a buy-no buy decision may hinge on whether reverb is or is not
included in a product, his feelings are _highly_ relevant.
JF
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
---
Since whether one likes reverb or not is subjective, and since whether
or not a buy-no buy decision may hinge on whether reverb is or is not
included in a product, his feelings are _highly_ relevant.
JF
J
John Fields
Guest
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:04:25 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Eeewww...
You're creeping me out.
JF
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
---
Eeewww...
You're creeping me out.
JF
G
GregS
Guest
In article <9134bdf6-efde-4054-bad8-5ac652dc3ae1@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, mpm <mpmillard@aol.com> wrote:
be used for light conduction. The rods of various diameters are
fun to play with. I bought a 1/4 inch Borosilicate 20 foot bundle
for about $75 some years back. Some of that fiber is very expensive,
even for single strands. I also had a custom project bundled with this company.
They were very helpfull.
http://www.fiberopticsystems.com/
greg
I tried some fishing line with no transmittance. I know plexiglass canOn Oct 19, 8:32=EF=BF=BDpm, "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@Hotmail.com> wro=
te:
"mpm" <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:f51614ef-03e3-4746-b329-8decbc42bdae@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 19, 3:27?pm, "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
Here are some pics of a proof of concept. The quality sucks but shows
whats
going on:
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=3DMVC-001S.48c.JPGhttp.=
...
The first is with flash. It should be obvious which one is the fiber op=
tic
and which one is the led on the surface. The fiber optic is running bot=
h
red
and green while the lifted one is just red.
The fiber optic is much "tighter" but as the last picture shows, at a
different angle the green comes completely through and sometimes the re=
d
is
more prevalent(3rd link).
The fiber optic looks "nicer" because it looks more professional but th=
at
might be just because of of the other being rigged(hot glued to hold it=
in
hole). The fiber optic method is much easier to do because I don't have=
to
"lift" the led into the hole but can put the led's on pcb.
On the other hand, the fiber optic is clearly not as bright and it is a
bit
harder to see off angle. Increasing the diameter of the fiber optic cor=
e
should help a little and may help with "mixing" the colors beter.
So, the main thing I need to get my idea rolling is some fiber optic
cabling
that solves the following problems(or where it can be easily modified t=
o):
1. Mixes the colors better(so viewing at different angles do not give
different colors)
2. Disperses the light at the end a bit better
3. A thin jacket so that it will fit snug in the hole. (the one I used
fits
very nicely but the jacket is 1mm thick. I'd like to reduce the jacket
size
and increase the core size but same snug fit without screwing up the fi=
ber
in some way)
4. A lot of light seems not to be going into the fiber. When I look
underneath the wood it is almost just as bright as what is above if not
brighter. ?Seems pretty in efficient to me since I could probably get t=
he
same brightness by using the "lifted" led at 1/3 power(or maybe 1/2) bu=
t
"lifting" the led has many of it's own problems.
I was also thinking of maybe having some type of "lenz" that fits on to=
p
of
the hole that can be pressed in that disperses the light and mixes it.
Although this complicates things by a few factors(mainly resourcing the=
m
and
extra cost).
A lens (note, not spelled "lenz"?) will improve the fiber-optic
results tremendously.
There was a company I used once before (I'm trying desparately to
remember their name....).
-------
What I found was led pipes and lenses. This is really what I need but I
can't find them at the proper size. (They are all for the large TH like l=
eds
or large SMT)
=3D=3D=3D=3D
They make a lot of fiber-optic safety interlock switch stuff.
But they have discrete lenses available. =EF=BF=BDBegan with an "S", I
think..?
It'll come to me, or someone here will know them. =EF=BF=BDBig company. =
=EF=BF=BDUSA.
------
I don't know. I haven't dealt with fiber optic. =EF=BF=BDIt seems like my=
solution
is probably the best even if I can't work out the kinks perfectly, at lea=
st
for getting a prototype done. =EF=BF=BDAlthough I'd rather get it right t=
he first
time if it's not too much trouble.
I've already ordered 200 of the rgb led's and hopefully it won't be too h=
ard
to get a pcb for them going. I got a 100$ fender squire comming. Hopefull=
y
I'll be able to start on the circuitry sometime soon. Shouldn't be too
difficult but going to be hard to integrate into the guitar because enoug=
h
surface area needs to be left so the neck can stick well and if it needs =
to
be removed again it doesn't ruin the circuit. I think it shouldn't be tha=
t
bit of a challenge though when I get too it.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
I actually have a box full of misc plastic fiber optics, parts, fiber
reels, etc...
If I knew where it was in the warehouse, I'd ship it to you my regular
discount offer price:
That being, the cost of UPS shipping plus a single bottle of a decent
Belgian Ale! =EF=BF=BDHa!!
-----
That would be nice
=3D=3D=3D=3D
I wouldn't write off fiber optic until you marry it up with a flush
mount lens of some sort.
I think you will be very impressed. =EF=BF=BD Also, just to mention, the =
human
eye is much more sensitive to green than red. =EF=BF=BD(You'll have to pl=
ay
with color/luminosity issues, even with LED's)
----
I've been looking for lenses but it seems they are all too big. The fresn=
el
type seem to be what I want but I can't find them at the size I need(at m=
ost
about 2mm).
Hell, I'm having a hard time finding cheap fiber optic with a core of abo=
ut
1.5-2mm ;/ =EF=BF=BDI'm going to hit the local stores tomorrow and see if=
I can't
find any in a hobby shop.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
And one word of caution, if you're handling glass fiber-optic, brush
up on fiber safety first. =EF=BF=BDYou don't want that stuff in your skin=
or
eyes. =EF=BF=BD (And depending on what you're driving the fiber with -- y=
ou
don't want to perform amateur RK surgery either..
sure
you're driving with LED's and not collimated lasers, etc...
Besides, I don't think I've ever seen glass fiber at the cross-
sectional diameter your project requries, but you never know. =EF=BF=BDJu=
st be
aware you can't pluck glass fiber out with tweezers. =EF=BF=BDYou'll end =
up in
the E.R. =EF=BF=BD
------
Really? I imagine the silica dust is harmful to the lungs but that develo=
ps
over long term exposure? Yeah, I'm not using lasers or anything but simpl=
e
led's so I don't have to worry about that. Mostly I just need to cut the
fiber optics to size. (used a razor blade to cut what I had and it worked
fine although the end wasn't perfectly smooth and flat)
Do you know if I were to strip the fiber optic's jacket off and insert it=
in
the wood if the wood will change the refraction causing it to be less
efficient? =EF=BF=BDOr if the wood will some how weaken the fiber optic? =
(although
that shouldn't matter too much as it's short and not being moved once in
place)- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It depends on the fiber (optical rolloff), but the type of cable I'm
thinking you want doesn't actually have a sheath. That also saves you
the labor of having to remove it.
I didn't make it clear in my last post, but you should definitely be
using a plastic or acrylic fiber (not a glass fiber). I didn't get
around to completing that thought. Glass fiber will be too much money
anyway.
I'm also wondering (out loud, I really haven't thought it
through.....) if you might be able to get by with a silicone lens.
You might even be able to prototype these yourself? Google "Liquid
Silicone Lens" and drill down through some of the hits. Although
focusing might suffer on your protoype, I'm wondering if using a clear
silicone would greatly simply prototype assembly -- or whether it
would just be a big ugly mess to clean up?
The company I was thinking about was Banner Engineering.
(No "S". Duh?!) Oh well. Call their engineers, because they make a
lot of stuff that's nowhere to be found on their web sites. Although,
they're likely too pricey to be a practical solution. But maybe they
can steer you to the right folks. I do know they carry all kinds of
fiber. At least they used to a few years back. Good luck.
be used for light conduction. The rods of various diameters are
fun to play with. I bought a 1/4 inch Borosilicate 20 foot bundle
for about $75 some years back. Some of that fiber is very expensive,
even for single strands. I also had a custom project bundled with this company.
They were very helpfull.
http://www.fiberopticsystems.com/
greg
M
Martin Brown
Guest
On Oct 21, 11:45 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
target. I reckon in practice it is one uncorrected every couple of
hours ~ 1e-12 back of the envelope (usually manifested as an audio
glitch as they seem to be by far the most obtrusive). Typically a few
ms of click or near ultrasonic hiss.
But it would still be useful to see a log BER display where 10 is
nominally perfect and 1 still has something vaguely resembling a
picture. And same for the signal level - it is no use at all having
half the signal scale reserved for stuff so weak you cannot hope to
decode it.
and after that all bets are off. The diagnostics are pretty ropey even
on high end TVs and converters. It either works or it doesn't and the
diagnostics are equally binary! It would be nice to make small
adjustments to try and improve things but the diagnostics are simply
not sensitive enough.
the roof. It is worse at this time of year with the trees still in
leaf and nicely coated with rainwater in wet weather.
thunderstorms) and only then on the weaker channels. There is uniform
attenuation of all channels it is just the weaker ones that go AWOL.
Regards,
Martin Brown
Or present only at a very low level. They claim BER < 1e-15 as theOn a sunny day (Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:48:23 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Martin
Brown <|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
171befa1-a477-498d-b2e5-9c97a680d...@y71g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:
What diagnostics does your set top box provide? Mine shows signal
strength and bit error rate (the latter typically scores 10 or 0 so is
a pretty useless measure).
In fact the bit error rate is about the only important thing
I do not how it is specified in your box, but bit errors should
not normally be present.
target. I reckon in practice it is one uncorrected every couple of
hours ~ 1e-12 back of the envelope (usually manifested as an audio
glitch as they seem to be by far the most obtrusive). Typically a few
ms of click or near ultrasonic hiss.
But it would still be useful to see a log BER display where 10 is
nominally perfect and 1 still has something vaguely resembling a
picture. And same for the signal level - it is no use at all having
half the signal scale reserved for stuff so weak you cannot hope to
decode it.
Single bit error per frame should be fixable, two bit errors detected
and after that all bets are off. The diagnostics are pretty ropey even
on high end TVs and converters. It either works or it doesn't and the
diagnostics are equally binary! It would be nice to make small
adjustments to try and improve things but the diagnostics are simply
not sensitive enough.
Unfortunatly mine all seem to stem from the pitter patter of rain on
the roof. It is worse at this time of year with the trees still in
leaf and nicely coated with rainwater in wet weather.
External aerial and as I said it is specific to heavy rain (not
thunderstorms) and only then on the weaker channels. There is uniform
attenuation of all channels it is just the weaker ones that go AWOL.
Regards,
Martin Brown
M
mpm
Guest
On Oct 21, 2:17�am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Hey Mike,
or ???
The news article I read claimed Newell had both a State & local
license, though I don't know if local meant Toledo, Lucas Co, and/or
Holland, OH.?
I checked the Ohio Laws and it looks like the State licensing is for
plumbing INSPECTORS and waste-water treatment plant operators, not the
(pardon the pun) "average Joe" who's going to come over and fix your
faucet.
That said, Lucas County says he does need a license to work there, and
it at least clear that JP does not have an individual license. The
next question is whether or not he is required to be personally
licensed in the communities in which he works, and that is still a bit
murky. I get different answers depending on where I look. So there
probably is something to your notion that the media rush gets it wrong
upfront, and then everybody else parrots the incomplete information.
That fact that JP hasn't been arrested yet is not itself proof of
anything, but I did hear his employer was going to receive a citation
re: JP's lack of licensing. I don't remember where I read that, other
than it was a State official claiming that, and not someone locally.
-mpm
wrote:
Hey Mike,
That's his employer. Is that his employer's State license, Lucas Co,
or ???
The news article I read claimed Newell had both a State & local
license, though I don't know if local meant Toledo, Lucas Co, and/or
Holland, OH.?
to the bottom of this.
I checked the Ohio Laws and it looks like the State licensing is for
plumbing INSPECTORS and waste-water treatment plant operators, not the
(pardon the pun) "average Joe" who's going to come over and fix your
faucet.
That said, Lucas County says he does need a license to work there, and
it at least clear that JP does not have an individual license. The
next question is whether or not he is required to be personally
licensed in the communities in which he works, and that is still a bit
murky. I get different answers depending on where I look. So there
probably is something to your notion that the media rush gets it wrong
upfront, and then everybody else parrots the incomplete information.
That fact that JP hasn't been arrested yet is not itself proof of
anything, but I did hear his employer was going to receive a citation
re: JP's lack of licensing. I don't remember where I read that, other
than it was a State official claiming that, and not someone locally.
-mpm
M
MooseFET
Guest
On Oct 21, 2:31 am, The Real Andy <thereala...@nospam.com> wrote:
11.0 mostly. I don't have crashing troubles with it. With the macros
there is a way that you can dig it into a serious hole but it is still
running and if you click the [X] to close the dialog box instead of
the [Cancel] you can get it back to normal without shutting it down.
I have also run OO on Puppy Linux 4.0. I haven't run it enough yet to
be able to say if it can be trusted bust so far so good.
Does the Windows version of OO crash a lot? I run it on SuSE 10.2 and
11.0 mostly. I don't have crashing troubles with it. With the macros
there is a way that you can dig it into a serious hole but it is still
running and if you click the [X] to close the dialog box instead of
the [Cancel] you can get it back to normal without shutting it down.
I have also run OO on Puppy Linux 4.0. I haven't run it enough yet to
be able to say if it can be trusted bust so far so good.
R
Richard The Dreaded Liber
Guest
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:56:31 +0100, john jardine wrote:
emperors?
Thanks,
Rich
I wonder who voted for that crap, or have we returned to the days of"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
Jan Panteltje wrote:
The free spaces between US digital TV stations can now be used for
wireless services.
In spite of failed tests ;-)
In German:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/US-Regulierer-will-den-Weissen-Raum-oeffnen--
/meldung/117556
That has been around since a long time. Our church uses wireless mikes
as a secondary UHF user. Of course we made sure that this doesn't bother
anyone. Love thy neighbor
DTV is a whole 'nother ballgame. It falls apart every other night around
here. And when it goes then most of the channels turn into a blocky
Picasso, not just one.
Even though I can see the Emley Moor TV transmitter from my window and have
a steerable Yagi and have just replaced my set top box with a new one and
know I've an excellent signal cos the spectrum analyser says so, I still see
a crap picture.
A year ago it used to be 'nearly acceptable' now it's not even nearly.
Constant freezing, blocking out, loss of sound, paint-it-by-numbers colours
and Max Headroom staccatos.
An inbuilt tendency to conspiracy theory has deduced I'm losing bit
bandwidth to that HD thing the broadcasters seem to be pushing. They switch
off analogue in a couple of months, the telly's (and STBs) look like they'll
be heading down the council recycling centre at the same time.
emperors?
Thanks,
Rich
R
Richard The Dreaded Liber
Guest
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:48:23 -0700, Martin Brown wrote:
Cheers!
Rich
Mark my words, there will be riots in the streets.
Cheers!
Rich
R
Richard Henry
Guest
On Oct 21, 6:32 am, mpm <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote:
You don't get arrested for plumbing without a license.
R
Richard The Dreaded Liber
Guest
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:20:39 -0700, Richard Henry wrote:
an American?
Thanks,
Rich
Continue what? I've asked a question - Is Osama^H^H^H^Hbama an African, or
an American?
Thanks,
Rich
J
Joerg
Guest
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
not want to be a politician in February 2009. And most certainly not
manning the phones there.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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Use another domain or send PM.
Maybe not riots but that's what I said before we even had DTV: I would
not want to be a politician in February 2009. And most certainly not
manning the phones there.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
J
Joerg
Guest
Joel Koltner wrote:
Picasso or Salvatore Dali, or a blue "no signal" screen. Analog is much
better because you can always see and hear something. Out here dynamic
multipath happens already when clouds move in fast because of high
winds. This whole DTV was IMHO never properly field tested, just hastily
slapped together and shoved through. In fact it's so bad that when we
see bad weather rolling in we crack out the card game or read.
Heck, the TV sets don't have a BER display to help aim an antenna. Not
even a field strength meter. Pathetic.
It reminds me of GSM, touted as the best thing since sliced bread. ROFL.
European engineers say our CDMA system is so yesterday. Little do they
know: The reality is that our neigbor can only get reception on his GSM
phone with a vertical yagi mounted on a piece of schedule 80 pipe above
his roof line. My CDMA phone gets good signal in every location out here
and according to maps the cell tower densities aren't very different.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
The real result is worse: No picture, no sound. You'll see a static
Picasso or Salvatore Dali, or a blue "no signal" screen. Analog is much
better because you can always see and hear something. Out here dynamic
multipath happens already when clouds move in fast because of high
winds. This whole DTV was IMHO never properly field tested, just hastily
slapped together and shoved through. In fact it's so bad that when we
see bad weather rolling in we crack out the card game or read.
Heck, the TV sets don't have a BER display to help aim an antenna. Not
even a field strength meter. Pathetic.
It reminds me of GSM, touted as the best thing since sliced bread. ROFL.
European engineers say our CDMA system is so yesterday. Little do they
know: The reality is that our neigbor can only get reception on his GSM
phone with a vertical yagi mounted on a piece of schedule 80 pipe above
his roof line. My CDMA phone gets good signal in every location out here
and according to maps the cell tower densities aren't very different.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
J
Joerg
Guest
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
shoved it through the FCC. Because he was way up top there ...
The guys who have to take all the grief from voters next February will
be the next generation.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
AFAIR someone decided that it is better <ROFL>, people will like it andOn Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:56:31 +0100, john jardine wrote:
"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
Jan Panteltje wrote:
The free spaces between US digital TV stations can now be used for
wireless services.
In spite of failed tests ;-)
In German:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/US-Regulierer-will-den-Weissen-Raum-oeffnen--
/meldung/117556
That has been around since a long time. Our church uses wireless mikes
as a secondary UHF user. Of course we made sure that this doesn't bother
anyone. Love thy neighbor
DTV is a whole 'nother ballgame. It falls apart every other night around
here. And when it goes then most of the channels turn into a blocky
Picasso, not just one.
Even though I can see the Emley Moor TV transmitter from my window and have
a steerable Yagi and have just replaced my set top box with a new one and
know I've an excellent signal cos the spectrum analyser says so, I still see
a crap picture.
A year ago it used to be 'nearly acceptable' now it's not even nearly.
Constant freezing, blocking out, loss of sound, paint-it-by-numbers colours
and Max Headroom staccatos.
An inbuilt tendency to conspiracy theory has deduced I'm losing bit
bandwidth to that HD thing the broadcasters seem to be pushing. They switch
off analogue in a couple of months, the telly's (and STBs) look like they'll
be heading down the council recycling centre at the same time.
I wonder who voted for that crap, or have we returned to the days of
emperors?
shoved it through the FCC. Because he was way up top there ...
The guys who have to take all the grief from voters next February will
be the next generation.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
J
Joel Koltner
Guest
"David Brown" <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote in message
news:48fd8b13$0$25391$8404b019@news.wineasy.se...
people will be used to the ribbon). Hence my prediction that OO might end up
implementing a ribbon-style interface as well, as they're always walking the
fine line between copying aspects of MSO to make themselves attractive to
would-be "converts" vs. trying out their own not-yet-common ideas about the
best way to implement a GUI.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if eventually OO becomes somewhat "skinnable"
so that you just select in the preferences whether you want a ribbon
interface, the traditional menu bar, or even something completely different
like the old Amiga or Mac style menus.
Yeah, it's definitely a bit of an "odd man out," although given how
common it is to simply e-mail Word/Excel files, perform mail merges based on
your contacts list, etc., I'm not surprised at the success Microsoft has had
at bundling Outlook into Office either. In the past few years they've been
trying to extend this "integration" to the web as well with Sharepoint...
although that effort seems to be meeting with mixed successes.
---Joel
news:48fd8b13$0$25391$8404b019@news.wineasy.se...
This is a good point, although within a few years it'll resolve itself (i.e.,
people will be used to the ribbon). Hence my prediction that OO might end up
implementing a ribbon-style interface as well, as they're always walking the
fine line between copying aspects of MSO to make themselves attractive to
would-be "converts" vs. trying out their own not-yet-common ideas about the
best way to implement a GUI.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if eventually OO becomes somewhat "skinnable"
so that you just select in the preferences whether you want a ribbon
interface, the traditional menu bar, or even something completely different
like the old Amiga or Mac style menus.
Yeah, it's definitely a bit of an "odd man out," although given how common it is to simply e-mail Word/Excel files, perform mail merges based on
your contacts list, etc., I'm not surprised at the success Microsoft has had
at bundling Outlook into Office either. In the past few years they've been
trying to extend this "integration" to the web as well with Sharepoint...
although that effort seems to be meeting with mixed successes.
---Joel