Driver to drive?

[John Fields]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:32:15 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

I am a true audio expert Michael, John Fields is not. Each to their own.

You say you are, and so do thousands of others. Have you seen the
state of the art Harris broadcast audio consoles?

Probably only bought in the USA btw.

Digitize every input, do everything in the CPU,

'the' CPU ? LMAO !

and convert back to analog. Factory service of the boards only.

They're hardly the first. The Neve company I was with for 3 years as a project
leader over 20 years ago was the first and I worked on a couple of their
digital projects, one of only 2 of the conventional analogue team to be
'allowed' to. The digital team was mostly run almost as a separate company
within a company.

So, your 'state of the art' is a bit ancient for me.

---
And yet you didn't know that the sum of output currents from active IOs
can't exceed the stated maximum current into Vcc or out of GND of logic
chips?

Curious, that...

SOD OFF.

---
Why should I?

Because you don't like being reminded of errors you made that showed how
technically weak you really are?
---

God, you're a pest.

---
I may be one, but i'm not the other.
---

Of course it wouldn't get past me on a design review.

---
Now, anyway, since you've been apprised of your errors.

JF

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:24:36 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
nobody@noplace.net> wrote:

UltimatePatriot wrote:
mpm wrote:

Please make your check out to the Democratic National Convention, or
Planned Parenthood.
Or even "Joe the Plumber". Maybe it'll help him with his back-taxes.
Thank you.


Back taxes? You're an idiot. You believe all that bullshit the DP
started? You are one gullible dipshit then.

The guy owes back taxes,

Due to a messy divorce.

makes 40K/year, and isn't even licensed as a
plumber.

You don't have to be licensed if you're employed by a licensed plumber
who signs off on the work.

According to the Ohio state and Lucas county websites, he doesn't
need a license in the city of Holland, and not everyone who works for a
plumbing company works with plumbing. There are accountants, salesmen,
stockroom, and mechanics who maintain their vehicles & tooling. Just
like electrical contractors. One large company near here has about 30%
of its emplyees doing anything except actual electrical work.


From what I can find, the city of Holland doesn't require Sam to have
a license, and allows him to work under the owner who has a license from
the state of Ohio. Its also very interesting that the websites I've
looked at condeming him have ads for Obama.

http://www.businesslicenses.com/Licenses/OH/Lucas/Holland-3909535882/ is
a list of business that need a local license, and I don't see any
building trades listed.

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[whit3rd]

On Oct 16, 1:54 am, Angus <angus.thom...@gmail.com> wrote:

a circuit that measures power usage of
mains devices (both 120V and/or 240V for here in the UK) but am
struggling to find a current transducer that will give enough
sensitivity at low currents (e.g. a few tens of mA for a phone
charger) as well as full scale measurement of 13A.

If you want a wattmeter that handles 13A and 13 mA both with
a percent or so accuracy, your ammeter part will have to be
dual-scale. It's going to be a small series resistor (a copper
wire, for instance) at 13A, and a much larger series resistor,
in a current-transformer secondary, for the 13 mA.

The small sense resistor and current transformer primary are
both in series with the load.

The trick is, your current-transformer will saturate (like, at 50 mA)
so the series resistance on its secondary is no longer in-circuit
when the power is high. Use transconductance multipliers
to multiply the sense resistor voltage drop by the mains voltage,
converting the product to frequency (volt/frequency converter), then
use a
microprocessor to count the pulses. There may have to be
four volt/frequency converters, one for the (+) power/low current and
one for (-) power/low current, third for the (+) power/high current
and fourth for the (-) power/high current sections; that's because
voltage/frequency conversion doesn't behave well if the input
ever goes negative.

The microprocessor, each power cycle, must determine if the
low-current section saturated, and use the high-current data for
that time period, suitably scaled, if it did. If the low-current
section didn't reach saturation current, its associated count is
used instead, because it will be more accurate.

The 240V doesn't need similarly wide-range treatment, I trust.
If there were significant DC current drawn, that would render
the current-transformer circuit inaccurate, of course.

For extra credit, use multiple floating power supplies and op amp
current mirrors, and generalize the scheme to five separate
current ranges instead of just two...

 

[MooseFET]

On Oct 20, 5:46 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
wrote:

MooseFET wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:35 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com
wrote:
john jardine wrote:
"JeffM" <jef...@email.com> wrote in message
news:d3ff949c-047f-4bbb-bc36-c14307115bf0@31g2000prz.googlegroups.com....
JeffM wrote:
This ignores M$'s new "Ribbon" default interface
which will have to be adapted to by old users "upgrading".
Joel Koltner wrote:
The ribbon isn't difficult to use -- and long term may even be a win --,
As I have no intent to ever again contribute to the M$ coffers,
I'll have to take your word for it.
although it certainly causes some amount of lost time initially
as each user ploddingly figures out where their feature menu items
have been moved to.
Yup.  You have underscored the point I tried to make.
[...]I was surprised that even in the tiny land of southern Oregon
here, the community college has already switched over to MSO 2007
(and Vista too).
Many (smart, IMO) companies have decided to avoid both.
The new Apple ads (Don't use the "V" word) made me laugh.
It was recently noted here that journals are rejecting
items submitted with M$O2007 formatting (not just the file format
--more significantly, the way it does *text* formatting--
again, M$ not even compatible with itself).  8-(
Yes. M$ shot themselves in the foot with their compatibility problem. Last
week the accountant for a company of 40 people was weeping blood about the
potential update  costs to (yet again) keep the company computers in peace
and harmony. Friday (with great trepidation!), he moved to OO.
Customers can be abused only to a point and it looks like M$ overweened
itself.
Last known use of Word may well be  to write their own epitaph.
99% of my use of OOo is word processing.
As far as I can tell, it does everything MS does.
Or at least, I have not found anything I cannot do that I want to do
(except import PDFs).

My copy exports PDFs.  2.4.0.14 is the version on it.

Mine too, but I would like to be able to import them, edit and re-export.

I use "ps2edit" to convert PDFs. It trashes a lot of the formatting
but at least you get the text.

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[John Fields]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:02:01 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Where would you place the threshold (and what harmonic structure) of audible
THD ?

---
It depends:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GFRC,GFRC:2006-50,GFRC:en&q=harmonic+distortion+threshold+of+audibility

I was interested in YOUR opinion though.
---
No, you weren't.

Yes I absolutely was.
---
No, you absolutely weren't, liar.

As a matter of principle I don't lie.

---
But, as a matter of fact, you do.
---

A plain lie.


This has presented me with a conundrum that I'd hate ever to have to face if I
ever get asked a certain question by an old friend.

Because the truth might hurt someone else and a relationship.

---
That's from your selfish point of view.

Hardly selfish since I've agonised over it.

---
Poppycock.

What makes you think that something you feel guilty about, if you're the
one who's agonizing over it, is someone else's fault?
---

Denying them access to the truth means that you're setting yourself up
as a judge of who should and should not have access to the truth because
of what your predictions dictate will happen when the truth is revealed.

Would you want me to damage a marriage ?

---
Of course not, but it seems that what you're trying to do is assuage the
damage by hiding what you feel guilty about.

What, did you fuck the groom?

JF

 

[mpm]

On Oct 20, 8:48�pm, UltimatePatriot
<UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:

� Sure it is. �In Ohio, one can perform such work UNDER a licensed
contractor.

Dude. What part of the cite did you miss?
The part that says:

"Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl
Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations"

A little analysis on your part might indicate that it would be pretty
difficult to work under the license of another, when that other person
is likewise unlicensed. Or maybe your argument is a license isn't
required, so it makes no difference if they have one or not. (Which
is absurd, and easily proven false with the slighest of Google
searching - which I'll leave to you as an exercise.)

Wow! ďż˝ Talk about racism...!!

� NO IT IS NOT! �You're a goddamned IDIOT! �NAME ONE WHITE tap dancer
worth mentioning... whatsa matta, fuckhead?

You, presumably. You're certainly trying to tap-dance your way out of
this.
Open mouth. Insert keyboard.

 

[mpm]

On Oct 20, 9:20�pm, UltimatePatriot
<UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:34:03 GMT, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian





n...@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:51:42 -0700, Robert Monsen wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:30:59 -0700 (PDT), Richard Henry

I think he was set up by the Obama campaign to make McCain look
stupid.

It worked!

The republicans knew they would lose this one, and figured they could
spare McCain. They even protected their cannon fodder for next time by
forcing McCain into chosing a loser like Palin for vp. Didn't want to
him to take down somebody who might actually win in 2012.

By 2012, America herself will be unrecognizable as a Sovereign State.

Hell, even the NEOCONS have gone socialist.

Thanks,
Rich

�The Mayans were right. �December 21 2012. �It all ends. �None of this
bickering around horseshit means a damned thing. �We all meet our maker
on that day. �Palin will win the election, but never take office.

� You gotz yer asteroid belt... �no problem...
� You gotz yer Oort Cloud... �no problem...

� Then, you gotz us passing through the Galactic equator... �who is to
say there isn't some huge piece of space debris that we'll hit (or be hit
by) from raw, deep space? �Why does everyone think that it has to be from
a local source?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You should really take up Wicca.

 

[JosephKK]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:36:45 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET
<kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:

On Oct 19, 9:25 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <6m187dFee7g...@mid.individual.net>,
dirk.bru...@gmail.com says...

krw wrote:
In article <6luv1iFe90m...@mid.individual.net>,
dirk.bru...@gmail.com says...
JeffM wrote:
The official launch is Oct 13, but you can download it now.
http://distribution.openoffice.org/mirrors/#extmirrors

For those of you struggling with folks sending you crap
saved in M$'s new lock-in/lockout file formats, here's the good news:

-- New stuff --
Can open files from M$Office 2007, Office 2008 for OS X
 (.docx, .xlsx, .pptx, etc.)

1024 Columns Per Sheet (was 256)
  -- Excel 2007 will do 16,384 ! (x 1,048,576 !)

Support for (ISO standard) OpenDocument Format 1.2 (ODF)

Runs under OS X without X11

...and OOo has had some VBA support for a while now.

More details:
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
Just downloaded it.
I cannot understand why anyone would buy MS products when this is free.

Because, unless you are doing trivial work, it isn't compatible with
the other 99.9% who would rather pay for software.

Well, a number of governments think different.

                                               ^ly

So?  The *fact* is that OO is not compatible past the rudiments,
with M$.  It matters not, why or who is (in)compatible with whom.

And the way I heard it, it is MS who has been forced into compatibility
with ODF

Nonsense.  M$ doesn't care about compatibility with M$.

I maintain that they do care. They try to make it so that the new
version can open the files of the old version but the old version
messes up on the files from the new version. This way when one copy
of the new version is brought on site, nearly every copy needs to be
XXgraded to the new version.

At this point I have written a fair amount of code in the OO basic. I
really hope they never decide to change it massively.

Exactly!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Jamie wrote:

Being it's audio, there shouldn't be any legality issues since that
field has no secrets, you twit!

My DSP reverb code is definitely secret. Just to take one tiny example.

Graham

Try writing AGC code for a multiple telemetry system.

It's not what I do. And if you think a 'good to listen to' reverb algorithm is
simple (not echo), you're VERY mistaken.

Personally, I think any 'reverb' sucks.


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[JosephKK]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:41:44 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

JosephKK wrote:

<snip>

Nor have i disagreed when those points were expressed. They are quite
true. In the long run i think i might use a valve preamplifier to get
the sound and a highly derated very linear post amp.

Several people have done this in the past. The name Phoenix comes to mind which was funded
by (I think by then) ex-members of the band Argent. That's the first I know of.

I suspect Marshall is doing something like this now too but I'm not up to date on their
stuff, it's not actual 'pro' audio, it's what we call MI (musical instrument) technology.

And for the masses we now have what's called prosumer. Near real pro kit performance at a
bargain price and usually in small sizes but more of a 'consumable' than real pro kit. Some
can be quite good actually. I've designed a fair few of that ilk myself.

Graham

My first piece of semi-pro gear is an Ampex AX-300 open reel tape
deck, i still have it. Hey, i can afford to put new heads on it now.
Probably only $2400 now, if i can find them. Damn, i will need a
calibration tape too, if i can find it.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

mpm wrote:

On Oct 20, 11:55 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net
wrote:

According to the Ohio state and Lucas county websites, he doesn't
need a license in the city of Holland, and not everyone who works for a
plumbing company works with plumbing. There are accountants, salesmen,
stockroom, and mechanics...

All excellent points.
Holland is a tiny community in Lucas Co. Because it is located in
Lucas Co. your statement doesn't gel with the link that I provided
earlier, or the one I am about to provide below. Also, Joe was not
introduced to America as Joe the Accountant, or Joe the Stockroom
Clerk...

Frankly, I don't know why it's so damn difficult to get to the bottom
of this Plumber's License issue.
We have 3 entities involved: Joe the Plumber, his boss, and the
company itself.
We have the geography: Ohio, Lucas County, City of Holland, and
presumably the place where most of their income comes from: Toledo.
Should be pretty straightforward to chart out that table. Yet for all
the investigative reporting being done, I've yet to see it?

Clearly, he / they / it needs a license in at least some areas
(jointly and/or severally), and JP personally doesn't have a license.
It's all pretty confusing..

The Toledo Blade newspaper gives one of the best summaries of the
plumbing license situation I have read to date:

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418

[BEGIN]
According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell
Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of
Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of
Toledo without a county license.

I have found no evidence of Lucas County issuing county plumbing
licenses. Typically in Ohio, the county issues the business license and
state sales tax number. Nothing more. I had to deal with sales tax
records for decades.

Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but
according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own
license to do plumbing work.

He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means
he’s not a plumber.
[END]

Its also very interesting that the websites I've
looked at condeming him have ads for Obama.

Well, this is like candy to the Obama crowd....
It calls into question McCain's lack of judgement in bringing JP up,
when he was not in command of the relevant facts. If you watch the
original video where JP met up with Obama, its pretty clear he was
just out to tag Obama. His later comments about the whole tap-dancing
thing smacks of racism, and then we find out all the other skeletons
in this guy's closet. Hardly the kind of example you want to televise
in a national debate. -- especially when the guy's situation doesn't
even support your political position!

-mpm

Alan W. Newell's license: Lic #32957

I spent most of my life in Ohio, and la lot of that time was spent on
construction sites, preparing bids, or writing specifications. The State
of Ohio was always quick to shut down unlicensed contractors. If Sam,
AKA 'Joe' needs a license and doesn't have one, they would have arrested
him by now, with all the publicity. I haven't heard that he was, so I
don't believe that he needs one. The news media plays fast & loose to
be the first to report a story, then the other lazy bastards just repeat
what someone else wrote.

Have you seen or heard anything that says the State of Ohio has
arrested Sam?


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[JosephKK]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:20:07 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com>
wrote:

On Oct 20, 10:48?am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com
You don't have to be licensed if you're employed by a licensed plumber
who signs off on the work.



That's not true in Ohio, Jim.
At least, not according to Lucas Co. Building Regulations, which
includes the majority of the Toledo, OH metro area...

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RONUO0
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/

Now McCain is trying to blabber that no citizen should have to undergo
the kind of scrutiny Joe the Plumber is undergoing in a presidental
campaign.... (I actually agree with that), But Hello?!! He's the
dippy that brought him up in the first place!!

And don't think JP is so innocent either. This dude, as a Repub
diehard, tried to trap Obama - failed miserably, and then later stated
that he thought Obama tapped-danced around the issues like Sammy Davis
Jr.

Wow! Talk about racism...!!
Anybody how cares to dig even a little will see this whole plumber
episode for what it really is:
A horrible misstep by McCain, and a illegal, non-tax paying creep who
is suffering more from his own prejudices than anything either
candidate would ever do to him.

Small wonder the Republicans now want Joe the Plumber to run for
office.
Sadly, he's probably got more experience than some of the Bush
appointees.
-mpm

well hell. And i thought it was Obammer that introduced JP.

 

[mpm]

On Oct 20, 11:55 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

According to the Ohio state and Lucas county websites, he doesn't
need a license in the city of Holland, and not everyone who works for a
plumbing company works with plumbing.  There are accountants, salesmen,
stockroom, and mechanics...

All excellent points.
Holland is a tiny community in Lucas Co. Because it is located in
Lucas Co. your statement doesn't gel with the link that I provided
earlier, or the one I am about to provide below. Also, Joe was not
introduced to America as Joe the Accountant, or Joe the Stockroom
Clerk...

Frankly, I don't know why it's so damn difficult to get to the bottom
of this Plumber's License issue.
We have 3 entities involved: Joe the Plumber, his boss, and the
company itself.
We have the geography: Ohio, Lucas County, City of Holland, and
presumably the place where most of their income comes from: Toledo.
Should be pretty straightforward to chart out that table. Yet for all
the investigative reporting being done, I've yet to see it?

Clearly, he / they / it needs a license in at least some areas
(jointly and/or severally), and JP personally doesn't have a license.
It's all pretty confusing..

The Toledo Blade newspaper gives one of the best summaries of the
plumbing license situation I have read to date:

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418

[BEGIN]
According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell
Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of
Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of
Toledo without a county license.

Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but
according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own
license to do plumbing work.

He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means
he’s not a plumber.
[END]

Its also very interesting that the websites I've
looked at condeming him have ads for Obama.

Well, this is like candy to the Obama crowd....
It calls into question McCain's lack of judgement in bringing JP up,
when he was not in command of the relevant facts. If you watch the
original video where JP met up with Obama, its pretty clear he was
just out to tag Obama. His later comments about the whole tap-dancing
thing smacks of racism, and then we find out all the other skeletons
in this guy's closet. Hardly the kind of example you want to televise
in a national debate. -- especially when the guy's situation doesn't
even support your political position!

-mpm

 

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <Xns9B3C15345B8B6451E7A@69.16.176.253>,
Andy <andy@yahoo.com> writes:

I am in the UK (230V) and have a 100W standing lamp with a dimmer wired
in line with it's mains lead.

I have recently got a remote controlled dimmer which plugs into the wall
mains socket and then I plug the device into the dimmer.

This means I would have two dimmers in series. Could this cause a
problem?

If it might be troublesome then could I leave the inline one on its
maximum setting (it does not "click" at max so I guess it does not truly
bypass the dimming circuit). Then I would use only the remote dimmer.

Thanks for any info.

Two ordinary dimmers in series works fine if one is left full on.
I would be less certain of the X10 dimmer working in this setup.
They can have problems without anything complicating the circuit.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

 

[David Brown]

Joel Koltner wrote:

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6luv1iFe90meU1@mid.individual.net...
I cannot understand why anyone would buy MS products when this is free.

1) Familiarity. If you have 10 friends and only 1 use OO and the other 9 use
MSO, if you're not a particularly "software adventurous" type yourself, you'll
figure that -- regardless of how good OO is -- certainly MSO must be pretty
decent, so why not go with the "tried and true" that's far more
well-known/easier to find support for/etc.?

OOo looks more familiar to most MS Office users than the latest MS
Office versions. But I agree, people buy/use MS Office because it is
what they know about and see on other machines.

2) Outlook and Access. OO doesn't really compete in these areas yet. (There
is no bundled e-mail client, and which OO Base is a perfectly good database,
it has nowhere near the app design tools that Access does... although over
time I expect it'll become a more and more viable alternative.)

I've never understood the idea of mixing email and office programs -
they are very much independent concepts. OOo is missing an email
program like your car is missing a kitchen sink.

Access is a different matter. OOo Base is better at some things
(working with a real database server), while Access is better at others
(designing simple forms, for example). As you say, this might change.

Also of interest is KOffice, which also speaks ODF. Obviously it's
already standard on many Linux systems, but KDE and KOffice are in alpha
testing on windows. Kexi is an Access-like application in KOffice. It
will take more time for KOffice to become common on windows (if it ever
does), but it will certainly be a useful alternative for some users, and
will keep the OOo developers busy with competition.

3) Cost of change. For individual use, OO can make a very strong vase. For
commercial usage, you're looking at spending (potentially a lot of) time
re-training and changing over. When you're paying people for their time,
these costs can easily exceed the cost of annual maintenance on MSO.
(Long-term, OO would be cheaper, but few businesses these days look more than
a year or two into the future!) Perhaps ironically, the more sophisticated
the business, the more expensive it can be to change: Companies that use the
most sophisticated features of MSO (tightly integrated databases, lot of
Visual BASIC code behind the scenes, SharePoint integration, etc.) will
require the most effort to switch. Of course, this particular issue isn't
specific to OO vs. MSO -- it's the same reason a lot of companies still use
kitsch like ORCAD Capture when there are far better, cheaper alternatives
available.

For the great majority of users, switching from MS Office to OOo will
not involve retraining - they will hardly notice the difference. There
will be some minor confusion as the menus are not exactly the same, but
that's all. As you say, it is harder for "power users" - but they are
often faster at learning.

If your company is heavily dependent on integration between MS Office
and servers or other apps, you are obviously stuck.

4) Preference. OO is certainly a good package, but so is MSO -- some people
will just prefer MSO's interface (especially in MSO 2007, where the "ribbon"
toolbar idea has really caught on -- I fully expect that OO will copy this in
another version or two!). MSO in the "student" version is something like
$120, and Office Professional with the educational discount is $199. For many
people, that's not a huge amount of money to exercise your personal
preference.

Choice is good - as long as you are free to make the choice based on
sensible reasons (including personal preference).

I'm very much a proponent of OO, but I can understand why people wouldn't want
to bother switching away from MSO if that's what they're familiar with. What
I would like to see is schools and colleges promoting the use of OO -- when
you start multiplying $120 by the number of students out there who buy a copy
of MSO every year, you're starting to talk some real money... and some of it
is going to be taxpayer's money! While some people argue that MSO should be
used in schools people that's what employers use, I'd argue back that
relatively few students come out of college with more than a cursory knowledge
of MSO. That is, of everyone coming out of college, I'd wager that well under
1% ever wrote a macro or some VBA code for MSO. As such, in almost all cases,
they're "lost" no more than perhaps a week's worth of time if they need to
"play around" with MSO after coming from an OO background. Furthermore, if
employers see that students are suddenly starting to list OO experience on
their resumes, they'll be much more likely to start adopting it in-house as
well.

For all the hoo-hah we make in this country about "expressing your
individuality" and "creative freedom," in actuality most people are rathr risk
adverse and prefer the well-trodden path, even when the "risk" in no more than
killing some time trying out new software.

---Joel

 

[Eeyore]

JosephKK wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
JosephKK wrote:

Nor have i disagreed when those points were expressed. They are quite
true. In the long run i think i might use a valve preamplifier to get
the sound and a highly derated very linear post amp.

Several people have done this in the past. The name Phoenix comes to mind which was funded
by (I think by then) ex-members of the band Argent. That's the first I know of.

I suspect Marshall is doing something like this now too but I'm not up to date on their
stuff, it's not actual 'pro' audio, it's what we call MI (musical instrument) technology.

And for the masses we now have what's called prosumer. Near real pro kit performance at a
bargain >price and usually in small sizes but more of a 'consumable' than real pro kit.
Somecan be quite good >actually. I've designed a fair few of that ilk myself.


My first piece of semi-pro gear is an Ampex AX-300 open reel tape
deck, i still have it. Hey, i can afford to put new heads on it now.
Probably only $2400 now, if i can find them. Damn, i will need a
calibration tape too, if i can find it.

You'll have trouble finding anyone stocking 1/4" tape now too !

I actually have an 8 track 1" tape machine kicking around here !

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Jamie wrote:

Being it's audio, there shouldn't be any legality issues since that
field has no secrets, you twit!

My DSP reverb code is definitely secret. Just to take one tiny example.

Graham

Try writing AGC code for a multiple telemetry system.

It's not what I do. And if you think a 'good to listen to' reverb algorithm is
simple (not echo), you're VERY mistaken.

Personally, I think any 'reverb' sucks.

Then you haven't heard any good ones.

Graham

 

[Richard Henry]

On Oct 20, 4:02 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@example.net>
wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:34:07 -0700, Richard Henry wrote:
On Oct 17, 3:22 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@example.net
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:33:19 -0700, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
But Obama is half white. So which race is it that I'll be discriminating
against?

The way I heard it, he's closer to 15/16 Polynesian[1] and 1/16 African.

I wonder if he's ever even met his Kenyan buck spermdonor?

He admits he's the son of a "single mom", which is a euphemism for "unwed
mother", which is a euphemism for "that slut that didn't have sense enough
to NOT get knocked up", which makes him .... wait for it....

A Bastard!
[1] which could include some white, from early colonizers, like the
Bounty crew and so on.

You could have just said "I know nothing" and save yourself a lot of
typing.

So, which of my statements proves inaccurate?

He himself said that he's the son of an unwed mother, and he calls himself
an "African" American - who in hell wants some half-assed American, who
puts Africa first, running the country? Where does his allegiance lie?

Please continue.

 

[The Real Andy]

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:32:54 -0400, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

JeffM wrote:

The official launch is Oct 13, but you can download it now.
http://distribution.openoffice.org/mirrors/#extmirrors

For those of you struggling with folks sending you crap
saved in M$'s new lock-in/lockout file formats, here's the good news:

-- New stuff --
Can open files from M$Office 2007, Office 2008 for OS X
(.docx, .xlsx, .pptx, etc.)

1024 Columns Per Sheet (was 256)
-- Excel 2007 will do 16,384 ! (x 1,048,576 !)

Support for (ISO standard) OpenDocument Format 1.2 (ODF)

Runs under OS X without X11

...and OOo has had some VBA support for a while now.

More details:
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/


Just downloaded it.
I cannot understand why anyone would buy MS products when this is free.

Because, not all are knowing..

Or moreso, most of us cant handle the continous crashes. Hopefully
this is fixed in 3.0, but i doubt it.


>http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Would you want me to damage a marriage ?
---
Of course not, but it seems that what you're trying to do is assuage the
damage by hiding what you feel guilty about.

I know something her husband did (Alison was a very good girl-friend of mine) that might well meet with her serious disapproval.

Nothing for me to feel guilty about.

Graham