Driver to drive?

[Jamie]

Eeyore wrote:

Jamie wrote:


Being it's audio, there shouldn't be any legality issues since that
field has no secrets, you twit!


My DSP reverb code is definitely secret. Just to take one tiny example.

Graham

Cough, Cough.................................

Jesus Christ...

Who the hell would want your reverb code.

Do you honestly believe people out there can not do their
own DSP coding?

What planet are you from any ways....

I hate to spoil your parade but, DSP use for doing reverbs
isn't rocket science.

Please don't flatter your self, because it's only you that's
gawking.

You're so full of your self it's pitiful.


http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

 

[Jamie]

Eeyore wrote:

Jamie wrote:


Eeyore wrote:

Jamie wrote:

Eeyore wrote:


You clearly haven't the tiniest clue about the economics of high-volume manufacturing.
Or the importance of pcb layout. Not to mention the cost savings of offshore
manufacturing too.

One product of mine (in its various channel sizes) sold over 100,000 units.

If you really had that much involvement in projects as you speak of,
I'll wager the majority of them are off of some one else's back.!

You're as much of a cnut as I always thought.

Here's an example of the above btw.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Studiomaster-Club-2000-18-channel-mixing-desk-excellent_W0QQitemZ220296706076QQihZ012QQcategoryZ23785QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It was available with various numbers of channels (the above is the largest) and a DSP
reverb option.

Totally my own design thank you, although obviously I had guys working on stuff like > pcb layout and metalwork for me as part of a 3 man team.

Gramm


Oh please! A mixer, Ouuuhhh...


WTF did you expect for audio ? A mouse trap.

Prefer an amplifier ? 1200W. We made tons of these too.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/StudioMaster-D1200-Power-Amp_W0QQitemZ290268606793QQihZ019QQcategoryZ69962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
There was a 700W and 1600W version too in the same form factor.



I made mixers, pre amps and power amps years ago.


But not 100,000 of them.



I was most likely one of the first in my area to have a 400 W RMS per channel stereo
amplifier for mobile use.


Oh lucky you !

I was running a 1 - 2 kW PA rig back then using horn loaded cabs of monitor standard (Electrovoice Sentry IVs) and it used my own quite serious mixer I designed and
built with help from friends in 1971. That's *37* years ago. All discrete btw with class A complementary output stages capable of driving low-Z loads.

You WILL NOT beat my audio experience or expertise.

Graham

Frankly speaking, I don't think I would waste the time to exceed you

since it wouldn't yield me any results that helps me or man kind.!

But if it makes you feel any better, keep up the good work and while
your at it, put a hand crank horn in your next design. It most likely
goes well with your current designs.


http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

 

[UltimatePatriot]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:34:03 GMT, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
<null@example.net> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:51:42 -0700, Robert Monsen wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:30:59 -0700 (PDT), Richard Henry

I think he was set up by the Obama campaign to make McCain look
stupid.

It worked!

The republicans knew they would lose this one, and figured they could
spare McCain. They even protected their cannon fodder for next time by
forcing McCain into chosing a loser like Palin for vp. Didn't want to
him to take down somebody who might actually win in 2012.

By 2012, America herself will be unrecognizable as a Sovereign State.

Hell, even the NEOCONS have gone socialist.

Thanks,
Rich

The Mayans were right. December 21 2012. It all ends. None of this
bickering around horseshit means a damned thing. We all meet our maker
on that day. Palin will win the election, but never take office.

You gotz yer asteroid belt... no problem...
You gotz yer Oort Cloud... no problem...

Then, you gotz us passing through the Galactic equator... who is to
say there isn't some huge piece of space debris that we'll hit (or be hit
by) from raw, deep space? Why does everyone think that it has to be from
a local source?

 

[FatBytestard]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:33:15 +1030, "mark krawczuk"
<krawczuk@adam.com.au> wrote:

NO ONE EXCEPT you complains about top posting .

You are an Outlook Express TOFU Retard!

It isn't a complaint, you retarded twit, it is an observation.

You are worse than Casey Anthony.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:26:39 -0700 (PDT), Winfield Hill
<hill@rowland.org> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
Stephan Goldstein wrote:

Does anyone have a copy of:
Hall, P.M., "Resistance Calculations for Thin Film Patterns",
which appeared in the journal _Thin Solid Films_, Vol. 1,
pp 277-295 (1968).  I would be happy to pay postage for
a decent copy, or if someone could provide a good-quality
scan.

To email my, you'll first need to delete the three-letter food
item that appears to the immediate left of the at-sign.

I'd like a copy of that, too.
I'll see if one of my academic pals can get us a copy.

John

I have an electronic copy of that obscure, but interesting,
42-year-old 19-page article. Where shall I post it?

Bob Pownall has already circulated that paper, as well as Hall's paper
on thin film rectangles, to those of us who requested a copy.

But certainly others may have an interest.

Do you have an FTP site?

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[Anthony Fremont]

Jon Slaughter wrote:

"Anthony Fremont" <nobody@noplace.net> wrote in message
news:HNqdncHCuK--mWDVnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@supernews.com...
Jon Slaughter wrote:

But since you didn't think about the interrupt ocurring inbetween
the statements you never realized how x = 7 was comming about.

You presume allot. You can build all the straw men you want, JW's
code was fine.

It's a big deal and though you might want to be a hard head about it
maybe one day it will bite you in the ass and you'll spend weeks
trying to figure out why your code is crashing.


You really don't know what you are talking about here. I have fixed
scores of obscure bugs in programs that the author couldn't fix. How much
programming experience do you have?


I've been programming for 15 years. I I know intel x86 assembly that
includes up to the 486. I know C/C++, C#(.NET), Java, PIC24 assembly,
Perl, and php. I started programming when I was 15. I've wrote my
own 386 protected mode operating system when I was 17 that had it's
own vesa 3D graphics library. I mainly write physics simulation
programs dealing with fluid mechanics now days but I'd bet my pinkie
knows more than you.

So you've done most of your work on basically one platform....... What did
you do on the PIC?

So who knows more? To bad we can't put it to a test so I can shut your
arrogant ass up.

Let's hear about some of your microcontroller projects. Care to have a PIC
programming contest?

If you were smart you would say "Thanks, I'll need to remember that
for next time" or something like that. Else your just being
ignorant.


Who was it that thought the OP didn't know how to solve his problem
and was wanting a C solution?

You must not know shit about programming. I didn't give him C but
what is called pseudo code... obviously if you were any bit of a real
programmer you could translate it to your favorite language. Keep
trying retard and maybe one day you will get it.

"(stream & ~(1 << (a && 63))) | ((((a >> 6) & 1) << a && 63)"

We're all supposed to just somehow know that's not C, but pseudocode?
Whatever..... Since you're so good, let's see you write some PIC assembler
that does what the OP wants. That retard stuff really makes for some
persuasive argument.

I'll agree that in 99.9% of the cases it won't matter but lets hope
you are writing code for anything serious then.

I didn't want to be rude, but since you aparently won't have it any
other way..... I've been writing code for more than 30 years on a
wide variety of platforms from 8-bit micros to 36-bit mainframes,
literally. I've used PICs extensively for something like seven
years, now I do the ARM thing for fun. I think I know a thing or
two about using a PIC chip including pretty much all the internal
peripherals, using multiple and even nested interrupts. But if
you'd like to compare code some time.... You are way over your head
here bud, too bad you aren't smart enough to realize it. You are
also way too quick to jump to conclusions about other people's
abilities while trying to stand on your own shoulders.

30 years huh? 30 years and thats all you got out of it? Maybe you
should have went to school and learned somethign then because
obviously if you can't understand what Fred pointed out then you have
some major logic flaws.

Who is Fred? I completely understand what you and Frank are saying, I'm
just saying it's not relevant but you can't seem to understand that. The OP
didn't say anything about ISRs or handling the data in an interrupt. Frank
brings up interrupts and you take the ball and run like a fool with it, but
it just isn't relevant. Like I said, we can sit around all day and make up
fantastic what-if cases that have nothing to do with reality.

Don't get me wrong, I like your ambition to learn and your outgoing
nature most of the time. You need to do a little more careful
reading and a little less "telling" people how smart you [and how
dumb they] are while arguing petty, moot points with them.

Sure you do. You sound like one arrogant jackass who thinks he's and
expert and when it's pointed out that you don't know much as you
think you go into a conniption fit. Keep writing your code the way

Now that's nothing more than PKB.

you want... it will get you by. I just hope you don't write any
commerical apps because your likely to injury or kill someone(or at
the very least cost the company only because of your arrogance and
ignorance).

Of course it will get me by, my code works. You don't have the faintest
idea of my experience or skill level. "likely to injur or kill someone"
you are just way overboard on this stuff. Speaking of arrogance and
ignorance, I'm on pins and needles to see what you come up with next.

Anyways.. I love to killfile people like you so respond at will.

Good, I like to have the last word anyway.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

I am a true audio expert Michael, John Fields is not. Each to their own.

You say you are, and so do thousands of others. Have you seen the
state of the art Harris broadcast audio consoles?

Probably only bought in the USA btw.

Digitize every input, do everything in the CPU,

'the' CPU ? LMAO !

Yes, one controls the system, the crunching is done is smaller
processors, not the CENTRAL processor. Those subsystems are worthless
without something to load the code on bootup, and to send commands.

and convert back to analog. Factory service of the boards only.

They're hardly the first. The Neve company I was with for 3 years as a project
leader over 20 years ago was the first and I worked on a couple of their
digital projects, one of only 2 of the conventional analogue team to be
'allowed' to. The digital team was mostly run almost as a separate company
within a company.

So, your 'state of the art' is a bit ancient for me.
http://www.ams-neve.com/Home/Home.aspx

You miss the point, as usual. The whole concept is crap, and people
who bought them have been returning them as soon as they realize what a
crappy concept it is. You can't have a station down, even overnight to
do an emergency exchange on unrepairable equipment. If you think the
concept is ancient, it doesn't matter, because its still shit. So much
for you being so great at audio design. There is no reason to use a
digital abortion like that, when analog is simpler, sufficient, and can
be field serviced. Any broadcast engineer worth his pay would run from
crap like that.


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[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Where would you place the threshold (and what harmonic structure) of audible
THD ?

---
It depends:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GFRC,GFRC:2006-50,GFRC:en&q=harmonic+distortion+threshold+of+audibility

I was interested in YOUR opinion though.
---
No, you weren't.

Yes I absolutely was.
---
No, you absolutely weren't, liar.

As a matter of principle I don't lie.

---
But, as a matter of fact, you do.
---

A plain lie.

This has presented me with a conundrum that I'd hate ever to have to face if I
ever get asked a certain question by an old friend.

Because the truth might hurt someone else and a relationship.

---
That's from your selfish point of view.

Hardly selfish since I've agonised over it.

Denying them access to the truth means that you're setting yourself up
as a judge of who should and should not have access to the truth because
of what your predictions dictate will happen when the truth is revealed.

Would you want me to damage a marriage ?

You're behaving like a child Fields.

Graham

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Mostly hand built in a
modular design, and extremely low failure rate.

Well, one of my designs (for a lower end company) saw over 100,000 units of
the family (various channel numbers) built and we hardly ever saw one back.

Here's an example. That was the largest in that family btw.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Studiomaster-Club-2000-18-channel-mixing-desk-excellent_W0QQitemZ220296706076QQihZ012QQcategoryZ23785QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Graham

Yawn. None of your crap required a rocket launch to repair, or put
lives in danger if it failed. 100,000 units in a market of millions?
Big deal. Try a market where the customers don't ask price or compare
features. They simply say, We have to do this, within 30 days.

Any ass can throw together a design for audio equipment and sell it,
but try that in a niche market where they don't buy if they don't
already know your reputation. Both times they lost a shuttle they
announced, 'We have a loss of Telemetry", not that 'our Telemetry
systems have failed'.


Hell, even Radio Shack can sell audio to your numbers, so that is
nothing to brag about.


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[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

Jamie wrote:

Being it's audio, there shouldn't be any legality issues since that
field has no secrets, you twit!

My DSP reverb code is definitely secret. Just to take one tiny example.

Graham

Try writing AGC code for a multiple telemetry system.


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[Eeyore]

Jamie wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Jamie wrote:

Being it's audio, there shouldn't be any legality issues since that
field has no secrets, you twit!

My DSP reverb code is definitely secret. Just to take one tiny example.


Cough, Cough.................................

And how much DSP reverb code have you written ?
http://www.studiomaster.com/products/162bpx.htm
http://www.studiomaster.com/products/C3&C3X.htm
http://www.studiomaster.com/products/VMS.htm
http://www.studiomaster.com/reviews/c3x-0205a.pdf
http://www.studiomaster.com/reviews/c3x-0205b.pdf
http://www.studiomaster.com/reviews/c3x-0505.pdf

Jesus Christ...

Who the hell would want your reverb code.

The MD of the company I used to consult for who's now desperate to have me
back. However I've also pretty much committed to another project last Monday.

Graham

 

[MooseFET]

On Oct 20, 3:35 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
wrote:

john jardine wrote:
"JeffM" <jef...@email.com> wrote in message
news:d3ff949c-047f-4bbb-bc36-c14307115bf0@31g2000prz.googlegroups.com...
JeffM wrote:
This ignores M$'s new "Ribbon" default interface
which will have to be adapted to by old users "upgrading".

Joel Koltner wrote:
The ribbon isn't difficult to use -- and long term may even be a win --,

As I have no intent to ever again contribute to the M$ coffers,
I'll have to take your word for it.

although it certainly causes some amount of lost time initially
as each user ploddingly figures out where their feature menu items
have been moved to.

Yup.  You have underscored the point I tried to make.

[...]I was surprised that even in the tiny land of southern Oregon
here, the community college has already switched over to MSO 2007
(and Vista too).
Many (smart, IMO) companies have decided to avoid both.
The new Apple ads (Don't use the "V" word) made me laugh.

It was recently noted here that journals are rejecting
items submitted with M$O2007 formatting (not just the file format
--more significantly, the way it does *text* formatting--
again, M$ not even compatible with itself).  8-(

Yes. M$ shot themselves in the foot with their compatibility problem. Last
week the accountant for a company of 40 people was weeping blood about the
potential update  costs to (yet again) keep the company computers in peace
and harmony. Friday (with great trepidation!), he moved to OO.
Customers can be abused only to a point and it looks like M$ overweened
itself.
Last known use of Word may well be  to write their own epitaph.

99% of my use of OOo is word processing.
As far as I can tell, it does everything MS does.
Or at least, I have not found anything I cannot do that I want to do
(except import PDFs).

My copy exports PDFs. 2.4.0.14 is the version on it.

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[Eeyore]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

I am a true audio expert Michael, John Fields is not. Each to their own.

You say you are, and so do thousands of others. Have you seen the
state of the art Harris broadcast audio consoles?

Probably only bought in the USA btw.

Digitize every input, do everything in the CPU,

'the' CPU ? LMAO !

Yes, one controls the system, the crunching is done is smaller
processors, not the CENTRAL processor. Those subsystems are worthless
without something to load the code on bootup, and to send commands.

Therefore what you initially wrote "Digitize every input, do everything in the CPU"
is total garbage. I've been familiar with DSP mixers for 20 YEARS FFS.

The phrase you're looking for is DSP processors.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

They're hardly the first. The Neve company I was with for 3 years as a project
leader over 20 years ago was the first and I worked on a couple of their
digital projects, one of only 2 of the conventional analogue team to be
'allowed' to. The digital team was mostly run almost as a separate company
within a company.

So, your 'state of the art' is a bit ancient for me.
http://www.ams-neve.com/Home/Home.aspx

You miss the point, as usual. The whole concept is crap, and people
who bought them have been returning them as soon as they realize what a
crappy concept it is. You can't have a station down, even overnight to
do an emergency exchange on unrepairable equipment. If you think the
concept is ancient, it doesn't matter, because its still shit. So much
for you being so great at audio design. There is no reason to use a
digital abortion like that, when analog is simpler, sufficient, and can
be field serviced. Any broadcast engineer worth his pay would run from
crap like that.

AMS-Neve don't seem to have that problem. Read the client list.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Any ass can throw together a design for audio equipment and sell it,

Simply untrue, the market is VERY competitive.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Jamie wrote:

Being it's audio, there shouldn't be any legality issues since that
field has no secrets, you twit!

My DSP reverb code is definitely secret. Just to take one tiny example.

Graham

Try writing AGC code for a multiple telemetry system.

It's not what I do. And if you think a 'good to listen to' reverb algorithm is
simple (not echo), you're VERY mistaken.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Jamie wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Jamie wrote:

Being it's audio, there shouldn't be any legality issues since that
field has no secrets, you twit!

My DSP reverb code is definitely secret. Just to take one tiny example.

Cough, Cough.................................

Jesus Christ...

Who the hell would want your reverb code.

"The DSP (effects) section is a marvel of compact design. There
are eight different reverb/delay treatments made accessible
from the rotary controller with a LED beside each one to show
which is active. But this section has more tricks up its sleeve, as
we’ll see when we look at the four LED-illuminated buttons to
the right of the rotary.
Of the four switches, the first is simply on/off for the effects
section. The second puts the section into reverb mode, as
explained above. The third puts the section into delay mode,
at which point the rotary adjusts and displays the repeat
time between 10-720ms. Finally, the fourth switch introduces
regeneration, or the number of repeats you get before the
echo disappears completely. In this mode, the rotary controls
the regeneration level – up to 90%, which is almost infinite.
This is a very neat system that is much easier to use than
it is to explain. It also sounds very good. If you can’t find a
setting here that sweetens your voice, you might be better
off learning the banjo! There are also two level controls in the
DSP section. One controls the effects level in the main mix, the
other the level in the monitor mix.
Round the back, there is a socket for a footswitch to turn
the effects on and off. This is a useful inclusion because it
sounds really stupid if you are talking to the audience between
numbers and there is enough echo to call in an Alpine goat
herd."

Play Music

 

[UltimatePatriot]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:36:14 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com> wrote:

"Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl
Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations"

A little analysis on your part might indicate that it would be pretty
difficult to work under the license of another, when that other person
is likewise unlicensed.

How do you know they are performing work IN Lucas County, dumbass?

 

[UltimatePatriot]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:37:09 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com> wrote:

You should really take up Wicca.

Fuck off, Obama lovin' retard.

 

[Winfield Hill]

John Larkin wrote:

Stephan Goldstein wrote:

Does anyone have a copy of:
Hall, P.M., "Resistance Calculations for Thin Film Patterns",
which appeared in the journal _Thin Solid Films_, Vol. 1,
pp 277-295 (1968).  I would be happy to pay postage for
a decent copy, or if someone could provide a good-quality
scan.

To email my, you'll first need to delete the three-letter food
item that appears to the immediate left of the at-sign.

I'd like a copy of that, too.
I'll see if one of my academic pals can get us a copy.

John

I have an electronic copy of that obscure, but interesting,
42-year-old 19-page article. Where shall I post it?