Driver to drive?

Reg Edwards · Jan 20, 2005

Everybody who supports the death penalty should be shot.

======================

By who ?

Andy · Jan 20, 2005

Andy replies:

Having raised 2 girls and a boy , I know from personal
experience that a fetus does not take on human characteristics
until approximately 20 years after birth...

Up until that time, abortions should be legalized....
Andy :&gt

)))

Anders F · Jan 20, 2005

"Kevin" <spamisannoying@sothisis.fake> wrote in message
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I want to build a RS485 network using Cat 5 cable. But since the RS485
specs don't specify connector types I'm at a loss to figure out what I
should use with (easily obtained) Cat5 cable.

Some of the remote nodes attach to equipment that is on wheels (ease
of moving for cleaning, maintainance etc). So I'm thinking that the
cables and connectors may get damaged over time. I would like to use
cables and connectors that are cheap and easily replaceable when
damaged. (Yes, I know the best thing is to ensure that they don't get
damaged in the 1st place, but this is the real world I'm talking
about).

This is half duplex RS485 communication, so it only requires 2 diff.
signal wires and ground. (A total of 3 wires).

I don't want to use a RJ45 connector on the Cat5 cable, as somebody
might think it's an Ethernet network cable and plug it into a laptop
or something.

I like RJ45 as it enables me to use standard patch cables - and easily
terminate all conductors when making custom stuff... The connectors are crap
when lying around (the tab dies) so if one needs a more sturdy construction
I'd opt for the XLR-style RJ45 or perhaps the Harwin (or similar) industrial
ones.

It occurred to me that RJ11 cable has 4 wires, and might be the
solution to my problem.

What I was thinking of is to run Cat5 as close to each machine as
possible and connect it to a plain old surface mount modular RJ11
telephone box (you know, like what your phone cord plugs into). Then I
could use a standard RJ11 telephone cable (like what connects your
modem to the phone line) to hook the machine up to the network. (The
machine would also have a modular RJ11 telephone box which would be
connected to the RS485 transceiver of the electronics that I'll
design).

Not a problem if it's short. And definitely not at 9600 baud. If it's a
noisy environment you might miss the shield though....

2. What about if I use a slew-limited RS485 driver on all nodes to
help ensure signal quality (minimise reflections etc). Will I be able
to do this RJ11 thing then?

Always use slew rate limited parts when possible!

3. Are there any other cheap connectors and cabling that I can use for
Cat5 to run it directly to each machine? What type of connector do you
guys use when you do RS485 networks and how do you handle the physical
wiring arrangement? (Digikey #s appreciated if possible).

I use micromatch and ribbon cable!

/Anders

Thanks for any advice/suggestions.

richard mullens · Jan 20, 2005

Kryten wrote:

Leicester and Peterborough look reasonably located. North of here but not
too north.

Anybody got any positive/negative opinions of these towns?

My Lonely Planet guide to Britain has Leicester in it but not Peterborough.

Has the latter got absolutely nothing of interest there?

Stevenage (particularily thr "old town") is lively.

Paul Burke · Jan 20, 2005

Reg Edwards wrote:

Everybody who supports the death penalty should be shot.

======================

By who ?

By people who can use the correct form for the ablative.

paul Burke

Jan 20, 2005

- Is anyone aware of other products using USB in this way?
- To keep the costs down I would not want to use standard USB
connectors
internally - just headers (but still shielded cable). It this likely
to

Laptops routinely use USB as an internal interconnect, particularly for
WLAN cards and for built-in flash memory readers. They generally seem
to use 2mm pitch pin headers on the PCB and rather thin shielded cable
(similar to the type of cable used for off-the-shelf CD-ROM audio
cables).

richard mullens · Jan 20, 2005

Reg Edwards wrote:

Everybody who supports the death penalty should be shot.

======================

By who ?

Someone else who supports the death penalty.

It would solve a lot of problems and diminish support for the death penalty in one go.

Kryten · Jan 20, 2005

"richard mullens" <mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Stevenage (particularly the "old town") is lively.

I heard from many people that it is an utter dump.

Not just dull, they loathed it.

Jan 20, 2005

Cambridge is IP-driven and, IMO, has seen very little off-shoring.
The
only exception I'm aware of is some digital IC verification which has
gone to Bangalore, but I would be surprised if this was more than 20
jobs. A bigger problem is, I think, offshoring to the US. Companies
get taken over, and the jobs eventually go with them.

If it's any consolation, once EU engineering jobs move here to the US
they are on a fast track back out to India. The process and thinking
appears to go like this:

1. We (US corporation) acquire company A in EU for some juicy nugget of
IP, slice of goodwill, or maybe just a customer list they own.
Marketing and distribution arms of the EU company are clearly deadwood,
not part of our global strategy, and they're offered internal
recruitment (maybe) or laid off.

2. We try to write translation firmware to integrate their products
with ours. During this process we need their engineers to be working
fulltime over there in sunny Europe. However, it quickly becomes
apparent that it is less trouble to redesign the EU subsidiary's 10
flash-micro-based products to be compatible with our 5,000-item
mask-ROM-and-ASIC product line than it is to build shims between our
protocols and theirs.

3. Management says "Well, these products were always being managed
non-domestically, so whether in Europe or India it will be no more
difficult to manage them. They all need major firmware rewrites. All
the US engineers are fully loaded already, and the EU engineers are
expensive and don't have experience with our protocols anyway. Let's
give the porting job to our Indian or Chinese subsidiaries".

Keith Williams · Jan 20, 2005

In article <csna4001h07@drn.newsguy.com>, hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-
harvard-dot.s-edu says...

John Larkin wrote...

The only use women have for engineers is to marry them.

Poppycock.

My wife relies on me for mechanical, cartographic and analytical
abilities. I rely on her for her creativity, intelligence, and
a remarkable discipline. And for an amazing ability to see what
I forgot, or need, and supply it. And most important, she helps
me to be a human, to love and to appreciate others. In turn, she
relies on my love for her, and for my watching out for her needs.
Speaking of which, I'm off. :&gt

Similar thing here. I fix the plumbing and in return have a never
ending supply of clean sox. ;-)

--
Keith

John Woodgate · Jan 20, 2005

I read in sci.electronics.design that Kryten <kryten_droid_obfusticator@
ntlworld.com> wrote (in <l5OHd.51$X96.13@newsfe1-win.ntli.net&gt

about
'Cambridge (UK) engineer seeking job and home in Cambridge', on Thu, 20
Jan 2005:

"richard mullens" <mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:m0NHd.206$%l4.101@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...

Stevenage (particularly the "old town") is lively.

I heard from many people that it is an utter dump.

Not just dull, they loathed it.

I've no doubt it's got a web page. Have a look; don't rely too much on

what others say.

You might also look for opportunities in Cwm Silicon, between Newport
and Cardiff.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Jim Thompson · Jan 20, 2005

On 20 Jan 2005 02:41:34 -0800, "Andy" <andysharpe@juno.com> wrote:

Andy replies:

Having raised 2 girls and a boy , I know from personal
experience that a fetus does not take on human characteristics
until approximately 20 years after birth...

Up until that time, abortions should be legalized....
Andy :&gt)))

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| E-mail Address at Website Fax

James Beck · Jan 20, 2005

In article <5lduu0dpe6j34ro76k72rt2sedqunhh0hq@4ax.com>,
spamisannoying@sothisis.fake says...

I want to build a RS485 network using Cat 5 cable. But since the RS485
specs don't specify connector types I'm at a loss to figure out what I
should use with (easily obtained) Cat5 cable.

Some of the remote nodes attach to equipment that is on wheels (ease
of moving for cleaning, maintainance etc). So I'm thinking that the
cables and connectors may get damaged over time. I would like to use
cables and connectors that are cheap and easily replaceable when
damaged. (Yes, I know the best thing is to ensure that they don't get
damaged in the 1st place, but this is the real world I'm talking
about).

This is half duplex RS485 communication, so it only requires 2 diff.
signal wires and ground. (A total of 3 wires).

I don't want to use a RJ45 connector on the Cat5 cable, as somebody
might think it's an Ethernet network cable and plug it into a laptop
or something.

It occurred to me that RJ11 cable has 4 wires, and might be the
solution to my problem.

What I was thinking of is to run Cat5 as close to each machine as
possible and connect it to a plain old surface mount modular RJ11
telephone box (you know, like what your phone cord plugs into). Then I
could use a standard RJ11 telephone cable (like what connects your
modem to the phone line) to hook the machine up to the network. (The
machine would also have a modular RJ11 telephone box which would be
connected to the RS485 transceiver of the electronics that I'll
design).

We have an RS-485 network that uses CAT5 cables, and have yet to have

anyone plug a laptop into it (that I know of), and at 1000 plus networks
installed so far, that's pretty good. I think the most important thing
here is that I don't see that attaching an ethernet device to the net
would do anything other than not work and possibly drag down the RS-485
network. We use slew rate limited, failsafe, with short circuit
protection drivers and everything has been goin along great. I know it
is always a good idea to design the possibility of an idiot doing
something dumb out of a system, but in this case I really don't see it
as a problem. If you are REALLY worried about it have get some cable
tags and mark the CAT5's with RS-485 or maybe some scarely warning about
hooking to computers.

Jim

John Fields · Jan 20, 2005

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:40:41 -0500, "Aunty Kreist"
<Aunty_Kreist@satanickittens.net> wrote:

But, you raise a good point...when does a fetus become a human life?

---
That's been argued to death, already, but in my view it's when the new
strand of DNA is assembled.

--
John Fields

John Fields · Jan 20, 2005

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:40:53 GMT, "Kevin Aylward"
<salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Ahmmm. Someone who unjustifiable takes a life should have his life
taken, imo. This is because life is *so* precious, it should never be
taken without good reason. Good reasons are to prevent or punish someone
from taking a life unjustifiable. The *only* reason I am against the
death penalty is because one must have absolute proof that the person
executed is guilty. Killing an innocent person is not an option in this
type of situation imo.

So, I absolutely believe that cold blooded killers should be executed in
principle, but must not be, due the lack of absolute proof of guilt.

---
So it would be OK to blow away confessed killers?
---

The law declaring the fetus a legal person disturbs me a great deal.

---
It shouldn't. From the moment of conception, when the two foreign
strands of DNA wrap around each other and form something that was
never there before, given time and lack of hate, a new human will
join us.

Complete nonsense. We only need you be concerned about a "life" after it
has first become *conscious*. Before something becomes conscious it is
no more then a carrot. What *makes* a life, that needs consideration for
its *own* sake, is a brain. Period.

---
Utter hogwash. Killing a live, growing organism which will eventually
become sentient for no other reason than to prevent it from becoming
sentient is murder, pure and simple.
---

I suppose this depends on the definition of "murder". Is it a legal one,
or one what we personally consider is murder. For me, certainly before
about 3 months there are simply no significant neuron connections in a
brain to make a conscious mind, so until that time, the foetus is no
more than a carrot.

---
While for me, it's important to let the carrot _become_ a carrot
before it's yanked out of the ground.

--
John Fields

Dirk Bruere at Neopax · Jan 20, 2005

John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:40:41 -0500, "Aunty Kreist"
Aunty_Kreist@satanickittens.net> wrote:

But, you raise a good point...when does a fetus become a human life?

---
That's been argued to death, already, but in my view it's when the new
strand of DNA is assembled.

When the nervous system has the complexity of a mouse brain then it's on a par
with a mouse. Ditto for every other stage of development.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

Rhyanon · Jan 20, 2005

From all appearances, yes.

"Mark Jones" <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> Is Lady Chatterly really a bot?

Rhyanon · Jan 20, 2005

Such talk from a chreeshtun! Your gawd would damn you to hell, if it or
gawd actually existed. Lucky for you!

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:37:41 -0600, "Rhyanon" <pissoff@uberbitch.com
wrote:

WAHAHAHA!! Two replies? For a _correction_ nonetheless? Priceless! You
are a
true weeny!

---
If something's worth doing. it's worth doing well, but I don't suppose
you'd know anything about that...

BTW, there's another error in meter in there; think you might be able
to find it? Probably not, 'meter' to you would be something your Mom
keeps by her bed.

--
John Fields

Rhyanon · Jan 20, 2005

Oh, look, it's the pedophile. Hello, pedo. I hope the parents takes you
down before the cops can get you.

"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:22:23 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:51:24 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Ooops... Bad rhyme:

And so that family survives,
a drunk, a whore, four ruined lives,
but Rhyanon's the happiest of lads,
he's got a brother and two Dads!

---
Somewhat better:

And so that family survives,
a drunk, a whore, four ruined lives,
but R's the happiest of lads,
he's got a brother and two Dads!

No, the rhyme's fine - the prob. is with the scansion. You might have to
look that word up - I'm not sure if I've invented it or not.

John Fields, he done wrote us a poem.
The newsgroups, about he does roam.
But when he gets smart,
Not just a brain fart,
I think we should all just go home.

Thanks,
Rich

Rhyanon · Jan 20, 2005

You know I am correct, and your laughable NG has been reduced to this.
Suckit.

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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:25:51 -0600, Rhyanon wrote:

Backpedal away, dipshit -- you lose and you know it. HAH.

Lose to a top-poseur? Not possible.

You know that you're really a bottom. Why fight it?

--
Keith

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