Driver to drive?

[Franz Heymann]

"Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in
message
"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message

[snip]
But I've seen nothing here to indicate that we're
side-stepping the
UN.
However, if we are, I'm delighted... the UN should be cut
loose and
floated out to sea... nothing but a bunch of scummy bastards
thieving over the spoils.
I presume that you are too dumb to realise that it is jingos
like you
which are responsible for the awful name the US has in
international
circles. Or do you really represent the norm?

You might suggest to your president that he should follow the
lead of
those folk you refer to as scummy bastards and get up to date
with
paying your subscriptions to the UN.
Franz


Will they give up the spoils of their criminal activities and
redirection of funds into their pockets and those of their
families and supporters?

A quote:
The United States gives $13.3 billion tax dollars in direct
Foreign Aid annually. The United States is above and beyond the
single most generous benefactor of the United Nations, donating
$2.4 billion dollars of OUR money, to primarily third-world
dictators.
This amount is 25% of the United Nations budget. In addition, the
United States also gives another $1.4 billion tax dollars to
United Nations' programs and agencies. The American taxpayers fund
more for the United Nations than ALL of the other 177 member
nations COMBINED.

What most Americans do not realize is that the vast majority of
the recipients of US Foreign Aid routinely vote against the wishes
of the United States in the UN at an average rate of 74%.

Give one solitary reason why they should be beholden to the USA?
In other

words, of the $13.3 billion tax dollars invested in direct Foreign
Aid only about 26% or $3.5 billion went to support people who
endorsed American initiatives or causes.

A staggering $9.8 billion

tax dollars went to causes and people who were and are in open and
direct opposition to the United States' interests and objectives.

---

So WHY should be support the UN at all?

If you are too dumb to answer those questions yourself, then so be
it.

Franz

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:27:47 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.31.22.46.51.171161@example.net&gt about 'Making an
electrode for a conductivity meter', on Fri, 31 Dec 2004:

Well, how about carbon? Remember zinc-carbon cells? Would zinc-platinum
do anything?

Roughly the same, in a cell, as zinc-carbon, but far too costly of
course.

The problem with using carbon electrodes in a conductivity cell, AIUI,
is that carbon is very prone to gain a thin layer of gas (hydrogen
and/or oxygen in water) on its surface, creating significant over-
voltages. Remember 'polarization' in the zinc-carbon cell and the use of
manganese dioxide depolarizer to remove the gas?

Yeah. Forgot all about that. But it also brings to mind the time when
I had taken one apart, and I held the zinc cup in one hand, with my wet
finger against the bottom, and held the cap and carbon in the other hand,
and touched the cap to my tongue, and didn't feel anything until I stuck
the carbon into the cup until it hit the stuff.

Now, _that's_ how you learn about "complete circuits".

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Clarence_A]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message

Clarence_A <no@No.com> wrote
"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message
Clarence_A wrote:

A reasonable alternative is to shut down the UN so they
can't
siphon off the funds needed to help in the afflicted areas!
Better to get them to pay the NYC parking fines.
Bob Kolker
Did I fail to mention they were an organization of scofflaws?

The US embassy staff in London who have immunity also don't pay
parking
fines. In fact, cars with diplomatic registration plates may not
even be
ticketed. This is effectively an agreement between diplomats
world-wide
in order to prevent 'diplomatic privilege' being eroded:
something
totalitarian regimes would love to do.

There is corruption in the diplomatic ranks, I agree!

However UN workers are not Diplomats! Also, without the consent
of the People, there can be no immunity from prosecution for
committing a crime! In the case of the UN, that alone should shut
it down!

The UN can not have a reciprocal agreement, since it is not a
government and has no territory or constituency. New York began
towing any UN vehicle which violates the regulations quite some
time ago. However there are more serious violations which have
not been resolved. Like dealing drugs, murder, assault, and
thugery! The case files relating to the UN staff fill an entire
room at the NY police headquarters. So far all they can do is
pull their visa and deport them.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Ward
<tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote (in <s4ist0lv127hlgf05ssh0a4j7tpgu46
heo@4ax.com&gt about 'OT: Safe Riddles', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

Why didn't the chicken cross the Mobius strip?
It was on the right side already.

--
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The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <8q5bt0tmj9g9q9bakjri3dtdsm38vcl7oj@
4ax.com&gt about '40M for Bush Inauguration and 15M for Tsunami Disaster
WAS Re: Bush accused of undermining the UN with aid coalition', on Fri,
31 Dec 2004:

Works for me, but wouldn't you like a little warmer clime ?

It will get quite warm enough in the next 50 years, thank you. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Franz Heymann]

"Mark Jones" <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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Gactimus wrote:
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in
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jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
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In sci.physics Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:


The numbers say it all.

All this is pure crap. The effort has barely begun and it will be
a
long time before the totals are in.

The totals are needed *now*, not after a long time.


If people like you want to complain about American giving, maybe
Americans
should consider rescinding their generosity.


Besides, what is larger amounts of immediate cash going to do -
bring back the dead? Or build luxury resorts in place of the
destroyed
shacks before?

Are you as idiotic as you sound, or are you just arguing for thr sake
of argument? Do you really think that the planes which are clogging
the airstrips in the disaster area are filled with money?

Recently CNN has said that disease isn't going to be as big a
problem as the East had feared. After a body dies, its disease dies
with it.

Unfortunately not. Yes, my initial guess was close to the mark. You
really are a cretin.

Logical, no? Where are the reports of people dying from
illness related to the dead? Vaccinations and medical supplies are
needed of course but that's being handled.

Moronic.

Franz

 

[Franz Heymann]

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:33:11 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote:


"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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[snip]


Geesh, I doubt the French (or other OLD EUROPE countries) have
the
airlift capability or the military resources to quickly supply
the
damaged regions with supplies (certainly not nearly the
capability
of the US.)

So far I have not noticed much by way of american planes mixed up
with
the European planes which are actually flying in the aid.
You will, of course put up a magnificent effort, but only after you
have been shamed into doing so.

[snip]

Franz


Franz, Go FUCK yourself! Where the FUCK do you live?

I am not likely to place my address in this ng.

Where the news
is managed?

The Times is my paper. It is quite a right wing paper, but I
disregard those aspects of it. I value its news coverage, which is
second to none.

DUMB SHIT! Watch the newscasts... whose fucking planes

and ships do you see?

A variety of European and Asian planes with a sprinking of US planes.
The BBC is less biased than the news you folk are dished out in the
US.

PLONK! And may the EU collapse sooner than I predict ;-)

I have no doubt that you actually do wish that. Tant pis.

Franz

 

[Franz Heymann]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:C6a1YZErCZ1BFwFW@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
ka1bt0dsr92gdaf9hqde9uctvdvva6aq6l@
4ax.com&gt about '40M for Bush Inauguration and 15M for Tsunami
Disaster
WAS Re: Bush accused of undermining the UN with aid coalition', on
Fri,
31 Dec 2004:

And may the EU collapse sooner than I predict ;-)

Well, now. It probably will, because it's now too big to be governed
in
its present form. The US is about as big a political entity that can
be
governed,

It is doubtful if it can actually be governed at all, considering that
it is sliding into debt deeper by the day and is being bought up by
the Chinese at a rate which ought to alarm the citizens of the US

and even it shows instability in the form of serious
disagreements between the state and federal governance from time to
time.

What would you like to replace it with? If you find a way of towing
the
UN out to sea, how about towing the British Isles to the west coast
of
USA at the same latitude and making Britain and Ireland the 52nd and
53rd states (not necessarily in that order)?

The UK is already to all intents and purposes a state of the US, worse
luck for us.

Franz

 

[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <s4ist0lv127hlgf05ssh0a4j7tpgu46heo@4ax.com>,
tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com (Jim Ward) writes:

Why didn't the chicken cross the Mobius strip?

To get to the other... uhhh... err...

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[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <jZmDd.307123$lR6.44920@news.easynews.com>,
account@domain.extension (Parse Tree) writes:

Charlie Gibbs wrote:

In article <zP1Dd.252385$O24.43690@news.easynews.com>,
account@domain.extension (Parse Tree) writes:

You need to justify bottom posting with something. If all other
things are equal, and top posting is more convenient, then it is
necessarily more appropriate.

More convenient for whom? The original poster, who is too lazy to
scroll to the bottom of the quoted material because his newsreader
is too broken to put the cursor there by default?

I agree that it is more convenient for the original poster.

IMHO the onus is on the original poster to make things easier
for the reader - not the other way around.

Or the thousands
of potential readers,

The participants are the first concern. Then the actual readers and
then the potential readers.

Where do participants come from? They start out as "actual readers",
which in turn start out as "potential readers". Scare off the potential
readers and the thread dries up. (Whether this is desirable is another
topic.)

Regardless, people wanting to read a thread would read the thread,
not a single post. The quoted material is there just in case.

Still, many people look in after a thread has already started.
And some people might not get around to looking at a newsgroup
for a couple of days. That's what the quoted text is for: not
to archive the thread's history, but to establish (or re-establish)
context.

Lack of snipping is a problem with both top and bottom posting.

Agreed.

However, bottom posting makes it easier to snip, because you can snip
^^^^^^ I presume you meant "top"
everything that is exactly a certain post count back by simply
deleting everything that apppears after a certain point. Bottom
post snipping is slightly more tedious.

Not me. I scan through the post from top to bottom, snipping
excess text and inserting replies as required.

And note that phrase "follow up". That implies that your reply
should follow the quoted text, not precede it.

No. The use of the word follow is in reference to it following it
time, not coming after it in space.

It is a follow up because it is a response that happens after the
initial post, not because it is spatially located lower on a page
or whatnot.

Still, as a general rule, written text runs from top to bottom
as time runs from earlier to later. Bottom-posting preserves
this natural sequence.

Unless you normally read the
last chapter of a book, then the previous one, until you reach the
start.

Carrying the book analogy further, then everyone would have to read
the quoted material because you shouldn't really be reading the middle
of the novel without reading the chapters before it.

Not at all. If you read a book halfway through then put it down to
do other things, next time you pick it up you don't start over from
the beginning. You jump to where you left off and continue from
there. The same applies to postings - at least if they preserve
chronological sequence.

This is clearly a false analogy. You are not reading the thread.
You are not reading the quoted material unless you forgot what
has been previously posted.

And I sometimes do this. If I've been away for several days, I want
a quick refresher on what went before. It's like those movie serials -
I don't know of a single one that waited until the end before saying,
"In our last week's episode..."

<snip>

Or trim things so that there
aren't so many levels of quoted material.

Why exert yourself when top posting solves these problems more easily?

I'm just old-fashioned, I guess. I was brought up to have enough
respect for the reader to try to make it easier for him, rather
than demanding that he make an effort to read my words.

There's seldom any
reason to quote more than three or four levels deep. Again,
it all comes back to laziness on the part of the poster,

The poster is always going to be lazy. You can go right ahead on that.

Were I somewhat more excitable, I'd take that as an insult.
Instead, I'll just point out that I'm an exception.

Personally, I think it's far easier to get them to do something that
requires even less effort than they're currently exerting.

On the other hand, it's easier still for a potential reader to simply
ignore any posting that wasn't designed to be easy to read. If you
really want your words to be read, laziness on your part can be
counterproductive.

You don't write all the quoted material. Your write the original
content. And the original content is all read from start to finish
in the thread. So what are you going on about?

In that case, why quote anything at all?

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-'s followed by a space.

Quite so. Is my newsreader not doing this? It looks OK to me when
my postings appear in subsequent retrievals of news.

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[robert j. kolker]

Franz Heymann wrote:

Of course. But my point is that the US is unnecessarily slow at
getting going.
Perhaps by now there has been a change.

Has it occurred to you that hasty impulsive reaction can be wasteful and
unhelpful. Most of the aid that the U.S. sent to Biafra was either
pilfered or just rotted in warehouses. Those who needed the help got it
little and late.

Perhaps if the situation is evaluated rationally the right kind of aid
can go where it is needed in the most efficient and effective way.

I am surprised that a smart dude such as you are can confuse impulsive
feelgoodism with doing effective good. In a disaster, noble gestures are
not what is required. Effective aid is what is needed.

Bob Kolker

 

[robert j. kolker]

Jim Thompson wrote:

I hate to be a party to replying to POS Franz, but why don't you ask
him what the inflation, and unemployment rates are in Germany (and
France) right now?

Why don't you. We know unemployment in Germany is hight. It is the
inevitable result of socialism. It has killed German productivity. I
remember when Germany was called the Wirtshaftwunder (the economic
wonder). Now it is just another socialist redistribution state. France
has got problems too. There state run medical system is bankrupting
them. They have too many unemployed Moslem immigrants. I see nothing but
trouble for them, for which they will blame us Yanks, of course. Les
Francais, tujours, le Francais. If snails could talk they would speak
French.

Bob Kolker

 

[Franz Heymann]

"Bob Stephens" <stephensyomamadigital@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:yhwycqtclo4f.1spmmox2d53m6.dlg@40tude.net...

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:43:35 +0000 (UTC), Franz Heymann wrote:

The US is lagging behind very badly. Apparently it has not yet
been
shamed publicly to a sufficient exrent to make it and its
inhabitants
get off their arses.

Come off it Franzli. The US has nothing to be ashamed about.
We will help out those in peril and in need just like we always do.

Of course. But my point is that the US is unnecessarily slow at
getting going.
Perhaps by now there has been a change.

Franz

 

[Franz Heymann]

<jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
news:cr47vj$gkv$1@mail.specsol.com...

In sci.physics Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com
wrote:

"Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in
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"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
newsan.2004.12.31.04.01.13.157284@att.bizzzz...
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:07:47 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Instead oif ranting, you might consider the shaming fact that
even a
small country like Holland has so far contributed more
generously to
the disaster fund than your much vaunted USA.

Franz



SO they have contributed more than 13 BILLION USD?

No. And unles the USA has been shamed enough in the last few
hours to
get off its arse, you are lying. According to the figures from
this
morning's Times, the USA has so far promised to contribute $18
Million
(Million, not Billion). That is slightly over one half of either
of
the French or the Spanish contributions.

Franz

According to last night's news, ONE church charitable group in the
US
has raised $50 million alone.

Excellent. But I was talking about Government action.
The populace of the UK has made personal contributions of 1M UKP per
hour for the past 36 hours to one charitble organisation alone. I did
not count that in the Government commitments I mentioned.

Further in the story they note that the pace of donations is taxing
the
ability of most organizations to accept them.

That is so in the case of the UK charities as well. It is s a sign
that there is still some compassion in folks.

Time to dismount your political high horse.

I will do so when the US wakes up, as it is bound to sooner or later.
The problem is that the action is required *now*

Franz

Franz

 

[Franz Heymann]

"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:33lpjvF3t05o4U1@individual.net...

jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote:

According to last night's news, ONE church charitable group in the
US
has raised $50 million alone.

Further in the story they note that the pace of donations is
taxing the
ability of most organizations to accept them.

That is pretty much "on shell". In the U.S. private charitable
giving
far oustrips government dispersements.

In view of the differences in the populations, you should try and do
better.
One charity in the UK has reported that the personal donations are
coming in at 1M UKP per hour, and had done so for 36 hours when I last
heard.

Franz

 

[Franz Heymann]

"James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c3f685e3d5469fa989a85@news.west.earthlink.net...

In article <41d58b3a$0$6207$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl says...
"James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> schreef in bericht
news:MPG.1c3f4661930efb86989a83@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <41d5760c$0$6207$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl says...
"John S. Dyson" <toor@iquest.net> schreef in bericht
news:cr3tct$25j0$1@news.iquest.net...
[snip]
I'd like to see some numbers about 9/11 aid from non-US
sources that
are larger than 'approximately zero.' It would be
disgusting to
see the almost zero aid for 9/11 from France, wouldn't it?
Of course,

Why should aid been given to a country for just 2 buildings
collapsing?

there certainly was moral support, until the US starts
responding with
a war against Islamist terrorism... Any aid provided from
old Europe
is totally negated by the ongoing damage that they have done
to us.

The US has indeed lost all credit. There is nothing left. You
can
thank your Fuhrer for that.



The death toll in NYC from just 2 buildings was 2,752 people.

Death Toll From Turkish Earthquake (barely) Tops 1,100.

Aid send to Turkey, why not NYC?

Think for a change. In Turkey many were wounded also - not dead.
And thousands of people without a roof over their head. That calls
for aid.

You just like to hear yourself whine don't ya' ?

Another one in the plonk bin. PLONK. There must be something
in the US drinking water.


Never been Plonked before....cool.

OK, How about 3, that's THREE, hurricanes hit Florida almost back to
back.
How much aid did the world send?
Lots of people with no roofs over their heads.

You were in a position to cope.
The countries most seriously affected by the present catastrophe are
not in a position to cope.

Franz

 

[Franz Heymann]

"James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c3f6ac2f75c3db5989a86@news.west.earthlink.net...

In article <cr46kr$4k4$6@titan.btinternet.com>,
notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com says...

"Morituri-|-Max" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message
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Franz Heymann wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:uvn9t0l92343vt559sr3hiqi4bp99sbtfu@4ax.com...

[snip]

Geesh, I doubt the French (or other OLD EUROPE countries)
have
the
airlift capability or the military resources to quickly
supply
the
damaged regions with supplies (certainly not nearly the
capability
of the US.)

So far I have not noticed much by way of american planes mixed
up
with
the European planes which are actually flying in the aid.
You will, of course put up a magnificent effort, but only
after
you
have been shamed into doing so.

Franz

As a former Air Force member I have to disagree here Franz,
respectfully. Also
if you are saying the USA has to be shamed into helping other
people, I submit
you do not understand americans. Bill Gates alone has endowed
his
foundation
with $23 billion dollars and has pledged more than $7 billion
dollars in a few
years. So I again submit that the USA as a country has given
far
more help to
the world than some people suggest.

I am talking specifically about aid to the disaster areas where
the
tsunami wreaked such havoc. The following three numbers for aid
promised comes from this morning's Times:

USA 18 M UKP
UK 50 M UKP
France 31 M UKP
Spain 35 M UKP

The list is quite long, but the four I quoted makes my point quite
clearly. The USA is lagging badly. Undoubtedly it will get off
its
arse after it has been publicly shamed. They troublr is that it
takes

Once again, speaking out of your arse, huh?

No. I quoted figures published in The Times this morning.

Initial pledges are not grand totals.
Pledging to throw a billion dollars now wouldn't make any sense.
Last check we are up to 350 million dollars pledged.

I will no doubt see that verified in my paper tomorrow morning.

You see how it works?
A disaster happens, we pledge an initial amount of money, that is to
get
the ball rolling, we then asses what amount of need exists when WE
get
there, then we make adjustments to the amount of aid we will
provide.
Name ONE disaster where the US didn't come through.

I think you should be ashamed that you think we are some how
obligated
to meet YOUR idea of what our response should be.

Not mine. That of the world.

Franz

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <cr32s4$96m$5@titan.btinternet.com>,
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> writes:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:rqc9t0po9091vf64ai24octo9tuvlahko0@4ax.com...

[snip]

But I've seen nothing here to indicate that we're side-stepping the
UN.


However, if we are, I'm delighted... the UN should be cut loose and
floated out to sea... nothing but a bunch of scummy bastards
thieving
over the spoils.

I presume that you are too dumb to realise that it is jingos like you
which are responsible for the awful name the US has in international
circles.

Actually, the rude and provincial claims about American stinginess

are what started most of this argument. It would be good that
the prejudiced, rude and mean spirited anti-America, anti-American
and anti Bush claims would now be retracted by an honorable
apology, and an admission that the anti-US claims did result from
leftist propaganda, or simply incompetent claims.

Anti-American-people hate speech should result in polite apology
by the perpetrator of hate.

The purveyor of anti-American blather wouldn't loose face by
an honest apology, and would certainly gain a modicum of honor.

John

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Charlie Gibbs
<cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote (in <5559.868T1037T784582@kltpzyxm.inval
id&gt about 'OT: Safe Riddles', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

Quite so. Is my newsreader not doing this? It looks OK to me when my
postings appear in subsequent retrievals of news.

There is no space after the two hyphens.
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Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
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The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
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[John S. Dyson]

In article <I9MDMq.2z3@cwi.nl>,
"Dik T. Winter" <Dik.Winter@cwi.nl> writes:

In article <cr3tct$25j0$1@news.iquest.net> toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) writes:
...
I'd like to see some numbers about 9/11 aid from non-US sources that
are larger than 'approximately zero.'

What aid did the US expect, and why did they not ask for it?

Remember, selfish people will use the excuse of waiting until people

beg for assistance. This gives the selfish people an excuse to practice
their selfish behavior. It is very clear that American pain isn't valued
as 'pain', and American humanity and life is devalued as being worthless by
the arrogant old-Europeans.

If you understand this apparent attitude of old-Europe, then you'll start
perceiving the ugly/evil face of old-Europe as seen here in the US. The
ugliness and evil becomes even stronger when the corruption of oil-for-food
along with the French (old Europe) involvement becomes more and more
exposed.

John


John