Driver to drive?

[Fred Bloggs]

Paul Burridge wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:25:53 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:



Paul Burridge wrote:


Yeah, but they're still a great site to see in flight. It must be
*amazing* being bombed by one!

This is the one you don't want to see coming your way:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/tu-22m.htm


Hmmm. It looks more like a fighter than a bomber, but it's hard to get
any idea of scale from those pictures. I think I'd still prefer to be
blown to Kingdom Come by a '52. It has more 'presence.'

The backfire is one awesome machine- the B-52 is a hot air balloon by
comparison.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:
[...snip blatant Bush campaign slander and deception...]

There are no such plans to increase the tax burden. If you think there
are then cite your resource. How damned dumb are you that you should
think anyone accepts your pronouncements without annotation?

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:

"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@us.ibm.com> wrote


"Gaussian" means that samples of the instantaneous noise signal form a
random process whose probability density is Gaussian--i.e. that a
histogram of the amplitude has a round top and wings that die off
rapidly but that have no sharp cutoff.

A good limiter produces flat-topped pulses of uniform height, with
slightly sloping sides. This produces a histogram that has two huge
peaks at the positive and negative clip levels, plus a low, flattish
region in between corresponding to the nearly-straight sloping sides.

- ^ ^
/ \ | | | |
_______/ \_____ vs ______| +--------+ |_______

Not very close at all.


But the destination of most noise is a series of 1's and 0's,
so it has to go through a limiter/quantizer somewhere.
Logically there is no requirement that the prime source of
the noise be gausian.

I recommend that you and Mike both go look up Rice's book or Van der Ziel's
book or one of the other classic references on noise, and think about how a
given wave shape produces a histogram.

Limiters can be bipolar, unipolar, or offset--neither of these things has
anything to do with the shape of the histogram, just the location of the
peaks. And it's the histogram that determines whether a noise source is
Gaussian.

What in the world do you guys understand "Gaussian noise" to be, exactly?

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<416FD215.8090209@nospam.com>...

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<416E92E2.60807@nospam.com>...


Bush has made several characteristics of his leadership style clear: 1)
he refuses to acknowledge reality, 2) he refuses to acknowledge that he
made *any* mistakes whatsoever


Sounds like you, fredrook.

You have been reduced to a minor annoyance because the dam of Bush
deception has broken and the truth is pouring through. To quote your
brain-damaged Bush "it's just that simple"- it's real simple, US foreign
policy has been transformed into a war policy from which thousands of
corporate backers of the RNC are profiting on an enormous scale, health
policy has been transformed into a lucrative business for the
pharmaceutical and insurance industry, environmental policy has been
transformed into a 'wish' with no substance. Here are some recent
scandals just breaking: a senior EPA scientific has just blown the
whistle to Congress with an 18-page report detailing the blatant fraud
behind the EPA decision to NOT regulate hydraulic fracturing technology
under the clean water act, a decision made by a policy board with
several Halliburton employees as members- they went a bit too far by
"dismissing" ( a word we here time and time and time again about Bush)
the scientific field reports; another major whistle blowing scandal
erupting regarding more fraud within the US Agency for International
Development (USAID) and more lawbreaking where that agency specifically
took action to prevent any form of US inspection of foreign recipients
violating many provisions of environmental codes overseas despite strong
evidence that such violations are occurring. It is United States law
that such inspections be conducted and that such violations be corrected
and that financial assistance be revoked for non-compliance- THIS IS THE
LAW, once again Bush political appointees break the law to the advantage
of business profits for American corporate concerns. I wonder do the
American people know that their tax dollars are going to underwrite
loans, many of which have no chance of being repaid, to exploit natural
resources, destabilize political systems, secure the position of corrupt
dictatorships, and generally make the world a more dangerous and filthy
place, all to benefit investment interests of the few? And all of this
occurring in clear violation of the purpose of US law?


I am REAL INTERESTED in seeing where this Oil-for-Food scandel leads.
We are talking BILLIONS in bribes to the UN, France, Germany and
Russian. Halliburton isn't even on the radar screen anymore - nothing
there.

Don't be too sure about that. Everything is an allegation so far derived
from an appearance created by these oil vouchers, Volcker WILL get to
the bottom of it. And the American companies, of which there were
plenty, were not included in the listing. Halliburton subsidiaries will
almost *certainly* be involved, as well as numerous others which
contributed *key* political appointees to the Bush administration as
well as campaign financing.

When the Dems have nothing else they resort to innuendo and
outright slander. Just like you, fredrook.

Nope- that is the character of Republicans these days- and the small
bits of offal such as yourself.

 

[Robert Monsen]

Tom Seim cut and pasted:

Teresa Heinz (no Kerry in the name) released PART of her 2003 tax
return. Paid an effective rate of 12% on 5 mil income. How did she
skate on the top income tax rate? That tried and true tax dodge:
tax-free municipals.

Well, Kerry will put a stop to that, you say! Well, NO HE WON'T!! If
he did, besides raising his own taxes, he would raise the bond
interest costs paid by munis (that's you & me, if you don't know what
a muni is) by 70%. Which will mean higher local and state taxes to pay
the higher interest cost.

OK, what makes one tax dodge pc and another a shameless corporate
scam? Political spin, of course.

That's still ok, you say. Nobody making less than $200k is going to
have their taxes raised. Wrong again, bucko. First, the Bush tax cuts
are due to expire. Expiring with them are the middle income tax cuts,
10% lower income tax bracket and $2,000 child credit.

How many of you know what the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) is? Many
of you are going to find out. This tax can hit people making as little
as $75k-not exactly your typical filthy rich bastard. By 2010
virtually everybody amking over $90k will be paying AMT instead of the
"regular" income tax. One group that got hit very hard in the last few
years were those who got stock options that turned out to be
worthless; except to the IRS where they are used in the AMT
calculation. And they AMT deduction is going back to its original
pre-Bush level abscent Congressional action. This is a $13k drop,
which is taxed at 26%, or about a $3,300 TAX INCREASE!

Welcome to KERRY(E)VILLE.

That whole AMT argument is specious. Both campaigns have pledged to
prevent AMT from affecting the tax rates of the middle class. The only
problem is that AMT is not indexed to inflation, which is an easy fix.

--
Regards,
Robert Monsen

"Your Highness, I have no need of this hypothesis."
- Pierre Laplace (1749-1827), to Napoleon,
on why his works on celestial mechanics make no mention of God.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:13:36 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:07:12 GMT, Robert Monsen
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:

[snip]

That whole AMT argument is specious. Both campaigns have pledged to
prevent AMT from affecting the tax rates of the middle class. The only
problem is that AMT is not indexed to inflation, which is an easy fix.

I'm beginning to think it would be good if Kerry is elected... a
super-carbon-copy of Carter's presidency... prevent the Bitch from
running and put the Democrat party right where it belongs... dead !-)

...Jim Thompson

But at least think about the Supreme Court first.

John

 

[David Lesher]

shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) writes:

I understand that a flip-flop will toggle between states when a button
is pressed. I'd like to know though, will it hold state with NO power?
....

Known as a "latching relay": bistable. You can get 2 toggle-action latching
relays

I have [somewhere....] some Korean Wall era magnetic latching relays.
You hit them with + - voltage and it would toggle one way...and
stay. Give it - + and get the other state.

(I somewhere read this was done with bias magnets but I'm not sure; they
are in typical Mil-Spec hermetically sealed cans.)

--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:34:59 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:13:36 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:07:12 GMT, Robert Monsen
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:

[snip]

That whole AMT argument is specious. Both campaigns have pledged to
prevent AMT from affecting the tax rates of the middle class. The only
problem is that AMT is not indexed to inflation, which is an easy fix.

I'm beginning to think it would be good if Kerry is elected... a
super-carbon-copy of Carter's presidency... prevent the Bitch from
running and put the Democrat party right where it belongs... dead !-)

...Jim Thompson


But at least think about the Supreme Court first.

John

I'm a hawk, but on personal items I'm a Libertarian. I think a super
right wing "supremey" would be terrible.

...Jim Thompson
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[Clarence]

"Robert Monsen" <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xzecd.376828$mD.361109@attbi_s02...

Jim Yanik wrote:
Saddam was NO THREAT to the United States, or anybody else.

Especially now, sitting in jail!

 

[Nicholas O. Lindan]

"Tim Wescott" <tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote

He was talking about a histogram on the output of a limiter, which
_does_ have peaks -- exactly two, centered on the upper and lower
limits. And that ain't Gaussian.

Nobody is disagreeing on this point.

In any case, the output switches between ECL one and zero. You could look at
the output at fixed intervals and find it has a binary distribution, or
measure the duty cycle which would have a histogram similar to the amplitude
distribution of Gaussian noise.

[...]

Neither of which is a Gaussian distribution on amplitude.

Nobody said it was.

I say 'who cares about amplitude distribution', all I want
is ones and zeros; and ones and zeros don't have an amplitude
distribution that is of any interest, as you have noted.

OP (or someone like him) says the _pulse widths_ of discriminated
analog noise follow a Gaussian distribution, _not the amplitudes.

A noise source does not have to have any analog component. It's just
unpredictable data and has (or should have) _no_ relation to any
physical process - viz. irrational numbers.

Most of us, being cheap, use a zener diode/radio noise/chattering circuit
as the source of choice and so there is an analog voltage/current
involved. It could just as easily be a flipped coin and have no
amplitude component anywhere.

I think there are two conversations going on here: one on the properties of
electronic noise and the other on random numbers. They have little to
do with each other except for both being ideally unpredictable.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com
psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

Teresa Heinz (no Kerry in the name) released PART of her 2003 tax
return. Paid an effective rate of 12% on 5 mil income. How did she
skate on the top income tax rate? That tried and true tax dodge:
tax-free municipals.

You call tax free municipal bonds skating and a tax dodge? That has been
a legitimate
investment for time immemorial to give the government an advantage in
attracting the most investors at the lowest rate- a rate of return paid
for by the taxes of the locality BTW. The *factual* reports are that THK
has distributed her investments approximately 50:50 this way-
approximately 2.8M$ tax free income from them.

Well, Kerry will put a stop to that, you say!

Why would he, idiot?

Well, NO HE WON'T!! If
he did, besides raising his own taxes, he would raise the bond
interest costs paid by munis (that's you & me, if you don't know what
a muni is) by 70%. Which will mean higher local and state taxes to
pay the higher interest cost.

That is the most nonsensical you have barfed so far! Do you talk with a
lisp and other form of speech impediment too?

Where the hell are you getting that? Tax free municipal will stay tax
free, it is only the dividends and capital gains on non-tax free
investments that will be taxed for the higher income people. Kerry has
no proposals concerning changing any bond rates, idiot.

OK, what makes one tax dodge pc and another a shameless corporate
scam? Political spin, of course.

Almost everything you say is so incredibly ignorant. Investing in tax
free municipal bonds is not a tax dodge. Those bonds were issued to pay
for a public works project, it is in the interest of the citizens of the
locality to borrow money at the lowest rate, and a tax free bond will
attract by making their lower tax free interest rate competitive. This
is not political spin- it is common sense. Geez- I wonder if Arlington,
Texas issued a bond to put that $135 Million investment in Bush's new
Ranger stadium? Duh ya' think? That deal there is about the single
greatest source of his existing wealth.

That's still ok, you say. Nobody making less than $200k is going to
have their taxes raised. Wrong again, bucko. First, the Bush tax cuts
are due to expire. Expiring with them are the middle income tax
cuts, 10% lower income tax bracket and $2,000 child credit.

Those baseline tax cuts have been extended to "sunset" in the year 2010-
they are safe and Kerry has pledged to maintain them. You're not even up
on the latest news.

How many of you know what the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) is? Many
of you are going to find out. This tax can hit people making as
little as $75k-not exactly your typical filthy rich bastard. By 2010
virtually everybody amking over $90k will be paying AMT instead of
the "regular" income tax. One group that got hit very hard in the
last few years were those who got stock options that turned out to be
worthless; except to the IRS where they are used in the AMT
calculation. And they AMT deduction is going back to its original
pre-Bush level abscent Congressional action. This is a $13k drop,
which is taxed at 26%, or about a $3,300 TAX INCREASE!

It looks like the AMT issue has been neglected by Congress period- at
this time it is not statistically significant. But it will be soon by
all economic projections. So this is a problem for both Republicans and
Democrats.

You are beyond pathetic- how damned dumb are you parasite space-fillers
at PNNL anyway?

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:22:59 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> schreef in
bericht news:31l2n097b7dgcrp5huvjc5hflik78pc0b0@4ax.com...
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:34:47 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

But freedom of speach does not mean you
can say everything you like and get it away with it.

Wow, thank you so much. That line is a true classic. I will treasure
it always.

The subject was calling one another idiots. Or me calling you an idiot.
Or whatever.

As they say in Texas, call me anything you like, just don't call me
late for dinner.

Now, some simple questions:

Do you believe Iraq is a better place now, compared to the situation
before the invasion?

No. But it might be, some years from now.

Do you believe the US is a better place now, compared to the situation
before the invasion?

Somewhat, but that's not a causality.

Do you believe that US families who lost their son(s) in this event are
proud
that they contributed to this new situation?

Some, probably the majority, are. Their sons were, by choice,
warriors.

Are you happy to see how your tax dollar is spent on this event, or had
you preferred to spend them on bonusses for your workers?

I'd prefer that the UN had done its job, that the 911 attacks had
never happened, and that the world was peaceful. On the other hand,
we're getting a *lot* of defense-related business, so as a purely
pragmatic matter, my employees are better off. But that's just us.

Are you having fun yet?

I always try to do good work and have fun. Being a basicly serious
geek and a borderline-clinical bipolar person, it has taken, continues
to take, some conscious effort. Being angry or bummed out doesn't do
anybody any good, and can mess up one's judgement.

Are you having fun?

John

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:49:57 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

The backfire is one awesome machine- the B-52 is a hot air balloon by
comparison.

Indeed?? I find it hard to believe that the Ruskies have trumped the
Yanks on their own turf. :-|

--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

 

[Al Borowski]

What I basically want to do is have a high current 12v input from the
power supply, pulse width modulated low current 12v input from the
motherboard header, and a high current pulse width modulated output.

What would be the *simplest* way to go about this?
(Preferably with parts available from the neighborhood RatShack.)

Since its just a fan, I suppose a simple transistor would work. It
depends on what the motherboard actually modulates - the 12V supply, or
the fan earth return. If the 12V is modulated an NPN transistor should
do the trick


12V
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FAN +

FAN -
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+12V from MB------|___|-----|
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0V


created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.22.310103 Beta www.tech-chat.de


cheers,

Al

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:17:44 +0100, Paul Burridge
<pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:49:57 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:

The backfire is one awesome machine- the B-52 is a hot air balloon by
comparison.

Indeed?? I find it hard to believe that the Ruskies have trumped the
Yanks on their own turf. :-|

The B-52 is now mostly a cruise missile truck.

John

 

[Mike Monett]

Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:

This is a huge subject, though, and I can understand that folks will latch
onto their own little bit of it: for me it is removing bias from a
discriminator.
For Mr. Hobbs it is the gaussianity (?) of an analog signal.

What was that one about the blind men and an elephant? _Everyone_ has a bit
of the elephant, so lets stop arguing.

I am only talking about the discriminator and what follows.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com

Go ahead - get a good noise source and put it through a good limiter. Then check
the results using some of the PRNG analysis programs mentioned on Ritter's site
and you will probably be happy with the results!

Mike Monett

 

[Mike Monett]

Mike Monett wrote:

[...]

Go ahead - get a good noise source and put it through a good limiter. Then check
the results using some of the PRNG analysis programs mentioned on Ritter's site
and you will probably be happy with the results!
Sorry - forgot to mention you can remove any offset bias in the limiter by taking

the output signal and passing it through a long time constant low-pass filter.
Then use the dc voltage as negative feedback to adjust the input offset voltage.

Mike Monett

 

[Dirk Bruere at Neopax]

Rich Grise wrote:

On Monday 11 October 2004 09:15 pm, Dirk Bruere at Neopax did deign to grace
us with the following:


Rich Grise wrote:


On Monday 11 October 2004 02:40 pm, John Larkin did deign to grace us
with the following:



Why are so many people getting hysterical about their perceived loss
of rights? The only thing I've personally experienced is that I can't
carry my Swiss Army Knife on planes any more.


And you see nothing at all wrong with that.

I truly weep for America.

It's OK.
If he wants a really good weapon on the international flights he can buy a
couple of bottles of high proof alcohol.

A broken bottle in one hand, and a firebomb in the other outranks a Swiss
Army Knife.


I like the Scott Adams Plan for Airline Security. A new airline company:
Atheist Airlines. There's a little booth by the gate, with icons and gewgaws
and whatnots and totems and things from every major religion on the planet.
Before you get on the airplane, you have to go into the booth and blaspheme
every one of them. Then, carry whatever weapons you want on board. Need a
bazooka? No Problem! Mini-gun? You'll have to buy a ticket for that big boy!
Grenades? Cool!

You see, atheists generally don't go around stirring up huge amounts of
trouble where there isn't a ready escape route. ;-)

Or, just issue a handgun to every adult that gets on the airplane. If
they're _all_ terrorists, of course, then the aircrew could go ahead
and crash it in a field somewhere. Unless the aircrew is even better-
armed than 160 terrorists with pistols. ;-)

But really. That's a reach even for a fantasy as grandiose as mine.

Can't be too careful
I say strip all the paasengers naked, anaesthetise them on the ground and ship
them unconscious and chained.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> schreef in
bericht news:4immm09o1m8drdp4abcdqt25jtikrkb602@4ax.com...

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:20:46 GMT, Scott Stephens <scottxs@comcast.net
wrote:


Why do you accuse benevolent genius out of the context they lived in,
judging them with our modern standards? That really is superficial,
cheap, easy to say. These people, behaving in typical European fashion,
could well have murdered each other, factionalized into states each
fighting to devour the other. But no, because they were not perfect,
angelic enough, to overcome every conceivable human vice you must smear
the immense good which they accomplished.


My point, perhaps stated too subtly for the audience at hand, is that
America has made steady and impressive advancements in the definition
of "liberty" and in the classes of people who are allowed to exercize
it. And America will, I trust, continue to do so. So I am mystified
why so many people get hysterical about truly trivial things, like
airline security and postal inspections, and declare hyperbolically -
in total ignorance of the history of this country - that we suddenly
live in repressive times. We don't.

If *many* people get hysterical about something 'trivial' it simply
isn't trivial. And if it were trivial, why enforcing it? A well trained
guy can break your neck in less than two seconds. He won't be upset if
you carry a nail clipper or not. In the meantime, (all our) governments
come up with new rules and we all dance like zombies.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <Xzecd.376828$mD.361109@attbi_s02>,
Robert Monsen <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:
[...]

The invasion and conquering of Iraq was a hideous mistake. It was either
the neocons falling for Chalabi's con game, or a plot by the neocons to
'prove their strategy' of free markets.

Don't ignore the "(c) all of the above" answer. Chalabi was saying
exactly what the neocons wanted to hear. Each side had motives to believe
the other.

--
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