Driver to drive?

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote (in <ck35b102m4o@drn.newsguy.com&gt
about 'The Rational Mind of Fred Bloggs', on Thu, 7 Oct 2004:

The scary thing is the way you so readily let fly with completely
unwarranted assumptions and self-righteous criticisms about other
people about which you know very little indeed. And your ready
labeling of nearly half the population of the US with extreme
derogatory terms and language. That's scary.

To be fair, he's only doing a reverse-Bloggs. But I wish they'd ALL stop
slanging each other off. This personal abuse is absolutely irrelevant to
the issue of who should be the next Pres.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Winfield Hill]

Marco wrote...

I need a sine wave output. I have found the TLC2934 from Texas
Instruments, and it seems to have a good behaviour in a wide range,
but not near 200MHz.

The TLC2934 = NRND? There are their slower '2932 and '2933 chips.

For high-frequency VCOs, check out the offerings by ICS.
http://www.icst.com/products/product.asp

For example the ICS1523 works to 250MHz, and should meet your needs.
Or you might prefer the ICS331 or ICS307-02, both good to 200MHz.


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[Daniel Kelly (AKA Jack)]

Hi there...

Incidentally, there already exists an "electronic brain stimulator". And
it's used frequently for cognitive neuroscience research. It's called TMS
(transcranial magnetic stimulation). I'm a bit scared of it so I've never
had it done... the idea is that you place a large coil close to the head,
then you pump 8000Amps through the coil in a short burst, this creates a 2
tesla magnetic field which induces current in the brain.

And, of course, there's always ECT (electro-conculsive therapy)... as made
infamous by "One Flew Over the Cookoos Nest". ECT is still used today for
some psychiatric problems. No one really knows why it works, but it does
seem to. But it also screws your memory.

Thanks,
Jack



"N. Thornton" <bigcat@meeow.co.uk> wrote in message
news:a7076635.0410070220.7ffee457@posting.google.com...

"Dana Raymond" <what@ever.com> wrote in message
news:<14M1d.46440$vkm.40708@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
"Andrew VK3BFA" <ablight@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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(Gee, there are some REALLY SILLY things in this group!)

My original post about safely stimulating my brain really had more to do
with the ridiculousness of actually trying to interfere with my brain
function. Even if I thought complete due diligence was exercised with a
project like this, I would still run away, as fast as I could, from the
experimenters if they came at me with the thing! LOL

I guess some people are more interested in having their brain work
well than a bit of cheap entertainment, and some are more interested
in a bit of cheap entertainment than having their brain work well.

Generally, in my observation so far, the former of us can figure out
there are rather better ways to enjoy life, the latter group tend to
not see any way to enjoy life.


NT

 

[Don Pearce]

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:11:01 +0100, "Daniel Kelly \(AKA Jack\)"
<d.kellyNOSPAM@NOSPAM.ucl.ac.uk> wrote:

And, of course, there's always ECT (electro-conculsive therapy)... as made
infamous by "One Flew Over the Cookoos Nest". ECT is still used today for
some psychiatric problems. No one really knows why it works, but it does
seem to.

Well, it will certainly turn a fruit cake into a cabbage - if you
consider that to be working. I don't consider it to be much of an
advance over the blade-up-behind-the-eye-socket lobotomy.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

 

[Winfield Hill]

Kevin Aylward wrote...

James Cheung wrote:

I am studying transimpedance amplifier (TIA) circuit for photodiodes
with bit rate approaching 2Gbps.

So far I have seen in the literature, Op Amp like TIA IC are used
to amplifier the current signals to voltage signals.

No chance. This is way to high for op-amp based designs on the front
end.

I have seen data sheets for opamp-style transimpedance amplifiers
with built-in feedback resistors having bandwidths exceeding 2GHz.
Offered for example by Agilent. Lately Agilent has withdrawn many
of these parts, offering them only in optical receiver components.


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[Winfield Hill]

Ken Smith wrote...

Winfield Hill wrote:

Your job is to find a way to protect the 600V PTC component, and
to prevent it from overheating as it handles an event. Fuzetec
is not specific: their FHR series says, "keep the time short."

The FHR ones are speced in what looks wrong to me. They are not rated to
interrupt at 600V. They are not rated to withstand 600V for very long.
This implies to me that 600V can never be applied to them. I'm sure its
some issue to do with one of the "standards" that causes the specs to be
weird.

I'm not an expert with PTC ratings, but looking more carefully at
their three-page data sheet, it says,

VI_MAX = Maximum interrupt voltage device can withstand for short
period of time. (Not for long term.)

This is 600V. They also say,

V_MAX = Maximum voltage device can withstand without damage at its
rated current.

This is 60V, but the maximum rated current is 3A, and that's for
continuous operation. So it would appear they can handle much higher
voltages for a short time. They also say,

CAUTION : FRH devices are not intended for continuous use of Line Voltage
such as 120 VAC~ 600VAC and above.

OK, not intended for continuous use. That implies intended for short-
term use. It's your task to find out how short, with measurements and
with modeling. These parts may well provide the basis for the most
difficult-to-handle aspect of an effective solution to your problem.


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[Glen Walpert]

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:18:03 -0400, "Robert Morein"
<nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:

"Glen Walpert" <gwalpert@notaxs.com> wrote in message
newsrn7m0tf82a2rjcj13sscuh7occ8f5m1k5@4ax.com...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:49:11 -0400, "Robert Morein"
nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:mFfMHMBKz3YBFwq3@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
clip
On the other hand,
explosive rupture of a battery pack close to the abdomen could,
concievably, be lethal.

Yes, but the probability is probably lower than that of being fatally
kicked by a horse.
--
The two probabilities are not in the same universe of discourse because I
don't ride horses. OTOH, I am in close proximity with lithium packs.

I am pretty sure John assumed you don't ride horses when he assigned
the lower probability to the exploding battery pack. All computer
lithium battery packs include a thermal fuse in direct contact with
one or more cells, so a cell explosion requires multiple simultaneous
failures including at least a low impedance short across the battery
and thermal fuse failure.

The above is not true. Thermal runaway is possible within a single cell.
See:
http://www.ewh.ieee.org/cmte/PES-SBC/Downloads/sWM04_LithiumBatTech-Valence.pdf

OK, this article claims that it is a myth that protective devices will
prevent all battery explosions, and they are probably right. But they
only provide 2 examples of battery "explosions" including a single
laptop computer, and these incidents resulted only in minor burns.
Presumably the designed in cell overpressure venting features worked,
and these "explosions" consisted primarily of the venting of hot
gasses, which are not nearly as dangerous (or likely) as being kicked
by a horse. Even if the vent failed, the case of a lithium battery is
too thin to allow enough pressure to develop to cause penetration of
the laptop case when the cell ruptures. "Possible" is quite different
than "probable", and the "explosion" of a lithium cell is quite
different than the explosion of a roadside bomb in Iraq! But if you
are really concerned about the slight possibility of second degree
burns, how about a nomex lap pad?

 

[Matt Strandberg]

I am still in college but I can tell you I took a class that was centered
around this microcontroller. We used it for data acquisition (i.e.
interfacing it with a pressure sensor and embedding a program that can
determine if a filter is operational). Toward the end of the course, we
used it in combination with a PC to implement a digital voltmeter. Since I
am a student, our possible uses for this microcontroller were limited due to
lack of experience. I can tell you, however, the HC11 language is pretty
easy to pick up and when you combine it with a cross assembler, you can
build and embed some pretty powerful programs.

Hope this helps

Matthew.

 

[Iwo Mergler]

Pooh Bear wrote:

boki wrote:


Dear All,
I try to use many Bluetooth devices at the same time for my
PC/NB, when enable them individually, they will work good(The only no
good is sound quality of Bluetooth earphone). If I enable them all,
the mice move speed will drop down(like a mice taking stone) until I
stop another Bluetooth device, then the mice work normally.

The Bluetooth bandwidth is limited?


Yes, Bluetooth devices 'share' the bandwidth, so the more that are in use
in a given location, the less bandwidth each one has. It's only 732 ?
kbits/sec max available anyway, so I'm sure we'll hear plenty more about
problems with Bluetooth devices as they become more widely used.


Graham

Yes, and they also share it with WiFi, your microwave oven
and a load of other random devices. It won't take long and
someone may have to invent some cheap, fast and reliable way
of connecting stuff. Wait a moment... ;^)

Regards,

Iwo

 

[Winfield Hill]

John S. Dyson wrote...

(Hint: it is okay to be for/against a candidate, but when hatred and
other kinds of semi-sanity start being exposed, then the Dems and
their supporters like Bloggs and Win start exposing their relative
amounts of (in)sanity. Frankly, psychiatrists who are starting their
practices should take a look at Dems posting on the various groups as
potential patient referrals.)

You can take you Hint and shove it up your ass.


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[Ian Buckner]

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:ck2gmt$sao$4@blue.rahul.net...

In article <d5r8m0pldcu916epsa240sh51c2hc42c3o@4ax.com>,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
[...]
The reaction timne of the relay is a bit of a problem.

---
It shouldn't be, since the Zeners and the BE junctions of the
transistors will be clamping the HV until the relay opens.

Are you suggesting that we hold down the applied power or that we
put a
series impedance in the path that can take the 600V difference and
not
fry.

Clamping a 440VAC mains is not an easy thing to do. I'm currently
looking
at placing an impedance in the way that can take the power for a
short
pulse while something else reacts. If I use a HV MOSFET to for the
pull
up and pull down devices, I can bias both off in the fault
condition.
This would mean that the impedance would only have to slow things
down to
give me microseconds to act. I may even be able to make the MOSFETs
be
the impedance thus trimming the parts count back to just way too
many.


the Zeners and the transistors. I'll post something for you on
abse
I can't normally see abse from my ISP.

Ken, you can "open" a relay in a very short time, tens of microseconds

or less. The trick is to have the relay coil rated at 500V (rating,
not
operating voltage). Start with the relay coil energised, and when an
overvoltage occurs turn off the drive fast. Use a high voltage drive
transistor, and let the coil voltage go _way_ up. That proportionally
reduces the time for the coil current to decay to zero.

dI/dT = V/L

Regards
Ian

(RF output stages - fastest fuses on the planet ;-)

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Rich Grise wrote:

It is not ranting,


It comes off as ranting, Fred. When you get into tirade mode, it's so easy
to dismiss you as lunatic fringe.

I am not concerned in the slightest about your opinion. You are so
simple, so ignorant, and lacking so much background information that it
makes no difference what you think. Your political posts are an endless
stream of superficial and non-informational pseudo-philosophical
garbage- absolutely worthless drivel.

And they've got brain lock - they don't hear the truth anyway. Fred, learn
some subtlety - there is a real need for subtlety coming in the grand chain
of events that is now unfolding.


it is inundating them with information that exposes
the fraud of the Bush propaganda machine.


This didn't come into existence with Bush. There have been corrupt
politicians since before any of us was born. He's just the latest,
stupidest, most popular figurehead that Evil has had on Earth yet.


The latest news release
concerns an intercepted shipment to Iraq of aluminum tubes,


Oh, bullhist. I worked for a guy once who made up a fraudulent bill of
lading, to ship several thousand dollars' worth of precision aluminum
tubing to a Mexican machine shop - they wrote it up as "scrap" to get
out of paying the $120.00 or so duty.

The tubes were used to make splatball guns.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Mark]

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:55:27 GMT, "Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net>
wrote:

Mark wrote:

I am more of a digital man than an analogue one. I need help please,
the set-up is as follows, I have an serial ADC output feeding an
Op-Amp feeding a 12V 40W Amplifier IC. The amp works in Class H to get
the output. The trouble is I am getting HF oscillations at high volume
levels (in rythem with the signal). You can see them on a scope, I
have a common ground plane for all of the circuit, I have thick tracks
going to the high power parts, I have a choke in line with the 7805
regulator for the logic. The Op-Amp is powered from the 5V logic line
(I only need 2V swing to drive output amplifier fully. I have tried
putting a heavy choke to the power supply input of the power amplifier
section, which did not help, I have tried putting a cap across the
input to the output amp, this helped a lot (with some decrease in
treble) but did not cure it completely, I have tried doubling the
values of the two caps used for the class H operation, did nothing,
tried doubling the power supply reservoir capacitor, this did nothing,
tried isolating the OP-Amp power supply with a diode and a smoothing
cap, this did nothing, also tried adding a choke to the opamp supply,
again nothing.

The thing that is throwing me is my Tektronics scope. When I put a
heavy connection wire between the Ground input of the scope and the
Ground of the circuit under test, and I put my probe onto the Ground
of the circuit under test (even at the same point where the heavy
ground wire is, I can see the HF oscillations on the screen. Trouble
is this is throwing me off the scent as to where the Oscillations are
coming from.

Can anybody give me some pointers please, I am starting to think that
I should have not taken on an Analogue design. Any web sites giving
hints and tips on this subject would also be appreciated.


I didn't see in all of this a characterization of the Op Amp's load. Is it
capacitive? Inductive? What OpAmp is it?

Its a LF353N, I have on the negative input a 10K resistor 10Mfd
capacitor chain, going down to ground with a 470K resistor going from
the output back to this input. My signal input goes in via a 1 Mfd
cap then held to half way between the supply lines by two 100K
resistors before going to the positive input, I also have a 1Mfd cap
on the output. As said before the OP-Amp is powered from the 5V logic
supply via a 1N4148 diode and 10Mfd capacitor.

Do you have any overall HF feedback around the Op Amp? Depending on the
frequencies you're interested in (I'm assuming something near the audio
range) 15-30 pF shouldn't change the frequency response too much and would
be diagnostic.

Where would I place this, please?

Because you're a "digital man" you immediately think that output problems
like HF oscillation are caused by power supply issues but there are analog
circuits that delight in oscillating. In particular a complementary pair at
the output of an analog amp is a good example, especially if they're MOSFET.

Norm

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:28:42 +0000 (UTC), the renowned toor@iquest.net
(John S. Dyson) wrote:

In article <dBkC22FgGSZBFwUm@jmwa.demon.co.uk>,
John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> writes:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote (in <ck35b102m4o@drn.newsguy.com&gt
about 'The Rational Mind of Fred Bloggs', on Thu, 7 Oct 2004:

The scary thing is the way you so readily let fly with completely
unwarranted assumptions and self-righteous criticisms about other
people about which you know very little indeed. And your ready
labeling of nearly half the population of the US with extreme
derogatory terms and language. That's scary.

To be fair, he's only doing a reverse-Bloggs. But I wish they'd ALL stop
slanging each other off. This personal abuse is absolutely irrelevant to
the issue of who should be the next Pres.

Actually, I am NOT doing a reverse anything, but simply being rational.
It is amazing that the mentally illness and unreasonable attitudes
are so clearly exposed by political discussion.

(Hint: it is okay to be for/against a candidate, but when hatred and
other kinds of semi-sanity start being exposed, then the Dems and
their supporters like Bloggs and Win start exposing their relative
amounts of (in)sanity. Frankly, psychiatrists who are starting their
practices should take a look at Dems posting on the various groups as
potential patient referrals.)

John

Why stop there?

Letter from Dr. Wurm, of the Wuerttemberg Evangelical Provincial
Church, to Reich Minister of interior Dr. Frick, September 5, 1940

Dear Reich Minister,

On July 19th I sent you a letter about the systematic extermination of
lunatics, feeble-minded and epileptic persons. Since then this
practice has reached tremendous proportions: recently the inmates of
old-age homes have also been included. The basis for this practice
seems to be that in an efficient nation there should be no room for
weak and frail people. It is evident from the many reports which we
are receiving that the people's feelings are being badly hurt by the
measures ordered and that the feeling of legal insecurity is spreading
which is regrettable from the point of view of national and state
interest.

1933

Fritz Lenz suggests sterilizing people with only slight symptoms of
"mental disease," which at that time included about 20% of the German
population (about 20,000,000 people). Martin Borman instructs in a
directive that the person's moral and political behavior be taken into
account when determining whether sterilization should take place.
Estimate of people eventually sterilized under this law: approximately
375,000.

1937

Dr. Earnest Hooten, Harvard, is quoted in the New York times as saying
"compulsory sterilization alone would serve in the case of the insane
and mentally deficient, but it is very difficult to enforce such a
measure in a democracy, unless it has been preceded by an educational
campaign...a biological purge is the essential prerequisite for a
social and spiritual salvation."

1940

In January, gassing of mental patients begins, using carbon monoxide
gas in fake showers in a psychiatric hospital near Berlin. By Sept.,
70,723

1941

90,000 German psychiatric patients are murdered; 71,000 in hospital
gas chambers. Blowing up mental patients with explosives is tried.
This method is abandoned as needing too much cleaning up.

Hitler officially orders the general euthanasia program terminated due
to an outcry from churches and public, but it in fact increases, with
more and older children being killed. Over 5,000 children are killed.
Various psychiatric methods are used to "treat" children including
beatings and electric shock for bedwetting. In August, the killing of
mental patients by gas stops and death by starvation, drugs and
failure to treat infectious disease begins (covert euthanasia).
Approximately 300,000 mental patients are eventually killed by
gassing, injection and starvation under this official program.

1942

Approximately 1,000 prisoners in Germany are subjected to Xray
castrations.

1945

Lancet, a major British medical journal, publishes "Sterilization of
the Insane in the USA." The article, based on information from the
Journal of the American Medical Association, cites roughly 42,000
cases of sterilization between 1941 1943. California leads all states
with 10,000. Among the victims: "Insane" 20,600; "Feeble Minded"
20,453. 1945 To date, at least 400,000 Germans have been sterilized.

1947 (Nuremberg)

Dr. Mennecke regarding procedures at Dachau and Buchenwald:

A. "I had to examine the prisoners brought before me to determine
whether they were psychotic or psychopathological cases.

Q. So at first it was a matter of people of unsound mind?

A. It was a medical matter.

Q. Then later it became a political and racial matter?

A. Yes. But in addition to the political and racial aspects of the
matter I had also, even at this later stage, to take purely medical
decisions.

Q. So at that time you had two kinds of cases to deal with, those of
persons of unsound mind, who were judged on medical grounds, and those
who were to be judged on political and racial grounds?

A. It was not possible to make any distinction, learned Counsel. There
was no question of any definite separation between the two.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <4165381E.2050406@nospam.com>,
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> writes:

Winfield Hill wrote:
Tom Seim wrote...

The truth is while these terrorists are still alive oil production
WILL be up and down. But if 40 million Iraq's are against the
terrorists and in favor of oil production they will take care of
these punks in due time.


That's a big if. It appears that 40 million Iraq's want our troops
out of their lives, and couldn't give a damn about oil production.
Short-sighted and ill-advised perhaps, but still...

As for the "terrorists," we see the general populace wildly cheering
every atrocity against our troops. These aren't terrorists, they're
ordinary citizens and arguably some are "freedom fighters," who aren't
about to "take care of these punks in due time," but who are eager to
cheer our withdrawl.



You might peruse the information at Soros's

Note that Soros, with his substantial wealth and power, has a

history of acting in his own personal interest, while effectively
ignoring the negative effect on America in general. As such, I find
(and anyone else who isn't tied up in directed hatred or other special
agendas) that Soros (and and his emotionally ill drones) to be
non-credible on matters related to the interest and benefit of the USA.

It is amazing that the human mind is so very complex, that otherwise
very intelligent people can have their emotional immaturity and
weaknesses be so easily manipulated by people like Soros, Michael Moore,
and Kerry.

John

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <57eam0huua3ncvf0ndk9pp22s6vttll64c@4ax.com>,
Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes:

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:28:42 +0000 (UTC), the renowned toor@iquest.net
(John S. Dyson) wrote:

In article <dBkC22FgGSZBFwUm@jmwa.demon.co.uk>,
John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> writes:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote (in <ck35b102m4o@drn.newsguy.com&gt
about 'The Rational Mind of Fred Bloggs', on Thu, 7 Oct 2004:

The scary thing is the way you so readily let fly with completely
unwarranted assumptions and self-righteous criticisms about other
people about which you know very little indeed. And your ready
labeling of nearly half the population of the US with extreme
derogatory terms and language. That's scary.

To be fair, he's only doing a reverse-Bloggs. But I wish they'd ALL stop
slanging each other off. This personal abuse is absolutely irrelevant to
the issue of who should be the next Pres.

Actually, I am NOT doing a reverse anything, but simply being rational.
It is amazing that the mentally illness and unreasonable attitudes
are so clearly exposed by political discussion.

(Hint: it is okay to be for/against a candidate, but when hatred and
other kinds of semi-sanity start being exposed, then the Dems and
their supporters like Bloggs and Win start exposing their relative
amounts of (in)sanity. Frankly, psychiatrists who are starting their
practices should take a look at Dems posting on the various groups as
potential patient referrals.)

John

Why stop there?

Letter from Dr. Wurm, of the Wuerttemberg Evangelical Provincial
Church, to Reich Minister of interior Dr. Frick, September 5, 1940

Dear Reich Minister,

On July 19th I sent you a letter about the systematic extermination of
lunatics, feeble-minded and epileptic persons.

I am CERTAINLY not suggesting that the feeble minded pro-Democrat hate

mongers be 'exterminated!!!' However, it is true that their own
vehement attitudes could extend to exterminating those who don't think
just like them. The ongoing attacks against GOP establishments seems
to be the start of such a movement. There have already been some organized
movements against GOP representative (multiple attacks on the same day,
apparently coordinated at higher levels in the Dem party.)

My own interest is in HELPING those who are so very consumed by hatred,
and NOT trying to totally redirect or modify their general position. The
'hatred' is an overly strong manifestation of partisanship, and seems
to result from very immature personalities.

Opposition and for/against any given party is an OKAY thing. Hatred
is problematic.

John

 

[David Lesher]

John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> writes:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Ralph Barone
this_is_not_valid@shau.ca> wrote (in <this_is_not_valid-38DADD.21001108
092004@shawnews.vw.shawcable.net&gt about 'Why DC instead of AC for power
transmission?', on Thu, 9 Sep 2004:

If you want a 1.21 GW inverter, call ABB, Siemens, or
Areva.

But do they sell DIY kits?

And the circuit board layout file?

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[Paul Burke]

Don Pearce wrote:

Well, it will certainly turn a fruit cake into a cabbage - if you
consider that to be working. I don't consider it to be much of an
advance over the blade-up-behind-the-eye-socket lobotomy.

It may be an urban myth, but I have heard of a British hospital that
used an ECT machine for years, no one noticing that it was broken.
Apparently the results were exactly as though the machine had functioned
normally.

Paul Burke

 

[Paul Burke]

John S. Dyson wrote:

Note that Soros, with his substantial wealth and power, has a
history of acting in his own personal interest,

Unlike everybody else in the world?

while effectively

ignoring the negative effect on America in general.

He's Hungarian isn't he? Why should he give a shog about the USA's
interests?

It is amazing ...that otherwise
very intelligent people can ... be so easily manipulated by people like Soros, Michael Moore,
and Kerry.

Not to mention other politicians. In the land of the blind...

Paul Burke

 

[Winfield Hill]

John S. Dyson wrote...

My own interest is in HELPING those who are so very consumed by hatred,
and NOT trying to totally redirect or modify their general position.
The 'hatred' is an overly strong manifestation of partisanship, and
seems to result from very immature personalities.

You can take your "help" and shove it up your ass.


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)