Driver to drive?

On Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 11:30:14 AM UTC-6, Michael Black wrote:
"Sir Charles W. Shults III" <aichip@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:<m%E58.483404$oj3.91200781@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>...
Well, I have been a long time reader and subscriber to another venerable
magazine- Scientific American. This year, however, I have dropped my
subscription with no plans to renew. They, too, have changed format in a
attempt to get a new and different audience. The new format truly sucks.
They removed the "Amateur Scientist" column, which was an excellent
source of hands-on material for me as a kid, and lots of fun to read until
its death. They have "prettied up" the interior of the magazine with lots
of computer graphics, but at a loss of clarity. The older, hand drawn black
and white pictures had a charm of their own and got the message across
perfectly well.
Also, they have dropped to about half of their original thickness. The
excellent articles of the past are just that- of the past. Surely we have
not stopped producing science?

Cheers!

Do you remember when Gernsback (the company) had a science magazine?
I was thinking about it in this thread, and then when looking for
something, found one of the copies I have.

It was called "Science Probe" and was subtitled, "The Amateur Scientist's
Journal". The editor was Forest M. Mims III, and it seems the first
issue was July 1991. I have the October 1991 issue. I can't remember
how long it existed, but it wasn't all that long.

Think of Popular Electronics, the Gernsback version not the original,
where instead of dealing with electronics, science is the territory.
So there are columns, and special features (like articles about
science fairs) and then the "construction articles", ie hands-on
projects that teach while you try out the experiments.

It seemed intended for the hobby scientist and the young, rather
than the focus of something like Scientific American where the bulk
is articles you simply read, with a few hands-on columns (most noteably,
The Amateur Scientist).

I only bought a few issues, because it by the time it came out,
I had long lost a lot of interest in science in general (or at least,
reading about it), but it would have been a great magazine to read when
I was younger. The fact that it didn't last that long, I suppose
that's a reflection of what interests people. On the other hand,
how can you get the young interested if there aren't magazines
like this around?

Michael

Science Probe evidently started before July 1991 - I have an April 1991 issue
 
On Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 1:06:40 PM UTC+11, Dirk Bruere wrote:
"Sir Charles W. Shults III" <aichip@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:m%E58.483404$oj3.91200781@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
Well, I have been a long time reader and subscriber to another
venerable
magazine- Scientific American. This year, however, I have dropped my
subscription with no plans to renew. They, too, have changed format in a
attempt to get a new and different audience. The new format truly sucks.
They removed the "Amateur Scientist" column, which was an excellent
source of hands-on material for me as a kid, and lots of fun to read until
its death. They have "prettied up" the interior of the magazine with lots
of computer graphics, but at a loss of clarity. The older, hand drawn
black
and white pictures had a charm of their own and got the message across
perfectly well.
Also, they have dropped to about half of their original thickness.
The excellent articles of the past are just that- of the past. Surely we
have not stopped producing science?

New Scientist mag is still pretty much the same quality it's always been,
though it did go through a very bad patch in the early 70's when the Loony
Left got hold of it for a while.

I didn't start subscribing to New Scientist until around 1980, but I've been getting it ever since. It's about as good as English language science reporting gets. It doesn't strike me as being particularly political, which may mean that its too-left wing - or not right-wing enough - for our resident right-wing nitwits.

I started subscribing to Scientific American rather earlier, but it went off in the early 1990's and I haven't subscribed to it since - before then they got serious scientists to write their articles, and edited them into a form that regular readers could absorb. A recent issue did have an article written by a fairly senior US scientist, but she only wrote about work that had been done by her and her close friends, in the US. Not impressive.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 1:18:23 PM UTC+11, John Miles wrote:
Dirk Bruere wrote:

New Scientist mag is still pretty much the same quality it's always been,
though it did go through a very bad patch in the early 70's when the Loony
Left got hold of it for a while.


New Scientist is still pretty much a tabloid of the Loony Left... they
never miss a chance to criticize US environmental policies, and they
don't mind manufacturing those chances out of whole cloth, sort of like
John Goodman's incessant invocations of Viet Nam in 'The Big Lebowski'.

Not something that I've noticed. They do pick up academically respectable stuff from the Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science of the sort that Jim Inhofe doesn't like, but that's actually peer-reviewed science, rather than left-wing provocation. John Larkin can't tell the difference either.

US environmental policies haven't been all that impressively responsible over the years.

But I find it makes for good bathroom reading.

I don't think I've picked up an issue of SciAm for ten years.

It's not what it was - it's moved to be more like the National Geographic - but I've found occasional stuff that I've liked.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 6:20:14 PM UTC-4, gm wrote:
Hi Joerg.

I have some strange problem with my setup ( Arduino --> Raspberry ).
The system is working perfect but after minute or two, i get HIGH state
on RSP pin, but nothing wasn't sent from arduino. I get this states all
the time and i can not stop them. They are activated at random cycles.

The funny part is that i can not detect any voltage change ( when this
error starts ) and according to the datasheet, voltage from 2.8 - 3.3 is
defined as HIGH state.

So, is it possible that RSP is picking some fast impulse from arduino's
voltage divider ?

GM

open CMOS input?
 
On Tuesday, 14 June 2016 20:35:21 UTC+1, Dan wrote:

Looking for a tube only radio or radio kit
AM or FM or AM FM
More than standard broadcast range is desirable.

There are lots on ebay. But what do you want? Give us a clue.


NT
 
On 06/13/2016 09:16 PM, makolber@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 6:20:14 PM UTC-4, gm wrote:
Hi Joerg.

I have some strange problem with my setup ( Arduino --> Raspberry ).
The system is working perfect but after minute or two, i get HIGH state
on RSP pin, but nothing wasn't sent from arduino. I get this states all
the time and i can not stop them. They are activated at random cycles.

The funny part is that i can not detect any voltage change ( when this
error starts ) and according to the datasheet, voltage from 2.8 - 3.3 is
defined as HIGH state.

So, is it possible that RSP is picking some fast impulse from arduino's
voltage divider ?

GM

open CMOS input?
maybe... Good idea.
 
On 2016-06-14 11:29, gm wrote:
On 06/13/2016 09:16 PM, makolber@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 6:20:14 PM UTC-4, gm wrote:
Hi Joerg.

I have some strange problem with my setup ( Arduino --> Raspberry ).
The system is working perfect but after minute or two, i get HIGH state
on RSP pin, but nothing wasn't sent from arduino. I get this states all
the time and i can not stop them. They are activated at random cycles.

The funny part is that i can not detect any voltage change ( when this
error starts ) and according to the datasheet, voltage from 2.8 - 3.3 is
defined as HIGH state.

So, is it possible that RSP is picking some fast impulse from arduino's
voltage divider ?

GM

open CMOS input?
maybe... Good idea.

Yes, I don't know what you mean with RSP pin but if a pin is defined as
input and nothing connected to it that pin will float around in level.
You'd need to at least give it a pull-up or pull-down resistor.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
 
On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:09:17 UTC+1, bitrex wrote:
On 06/14/2016 03:35 PM, Dan wrote:
Looking for a tube only radio or radio kit
AM or FM or AM FM
More than standard broadcast range is desirable.

You can build a single-tube regenerative set that, if designed and
constructed carefully, will have much better performance over the AM and
AM shortwave bands than many commercially available superhets.

That's at odds with my own limited experience with reaction sets, and with people's experiences of commercial regen receiver ICs. They do remarkably well for the small number of parts, but don't compare in rf sensitivity to typical modern superhets. They are dramatically better at AGC though.

ISTR seeing tube circuits that were superhets with a reaction IF stage.


NT
 
On 06/15/2016 10:33 AM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:09:17 UTC+1, bitrex wrote:
On 06/14/2016 03:35 PM, Dan wrote:
Looking for a tube only radio or radio kit AM or FM or AM FM More
than standard broadcast range is desirable.

You can build a single-tube regenerative set that, if designed and
constructed carefully, will have much better performance over the
AM and AM shortwave bands than many commercially available
superhets.

That's at odds with my own limited experience with reaction sets, and
with people's experiences of commercial regen receiver ICs. They do
remarkably well for the small number of parts, but don't compare in
rf sensitivity to typical modern superhets. They are dramatically
better at AGC though.

Superregens don't have enough filtering to be good receivers
nowadays--there are too many stations on the air. Their noise figures
are higher than if you used the same tube as an RF amp, because they're
only sensitive in the short period (a couple of regeneration time
constants) after the rising edge of the quench (when the regeneration
starts). The shorter sampling time leads to a larger noise bandwidth.

They're pretty remarkable though--a single tube with a gain of about 20
dB can amplify thermal noise to a level clearly audible in headphones.

An interesting thing about superregens is that although the output is at
the same average frequency as the input, they don't interfere with
themselves because the input is sampled at a time when the oscillator
isn't oscillating.


There's a really good short book on superregens: "Super-Regenerative
Receivers" by J. R. Whitehead, CUP, 1946, part of the Modern Radio
Technique series.

ISTR seeing tube circuits that were superhets with a reaction IF
stage.

That's better, for sure.

Cheers

Phil "rushbox fan" Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:30:44 UTC+1, piglet wrote:
On 15/06/2016 15:33, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:09:17 UTC+1, bitrex wrote:
On 06/14/2016 03:35 PM, Dan wrote:
Looking for a tube only radio or radio kit
AM or FM or AM FM
More than standard broadcast range is desirable.

You can build a single-tube regenerative set that, if designed and
constructed carefully, will have much better performance over the AM and
AM shortwave bands than many commercially available superhets.

That's at odds with my own limited experience with reaction sets, and with people's experiences of commercial regen receiver ICs. They do remarkably well for the small number of parts, but don't compare in rf sensitivity to typical modern superhets. They are dramatically better at AGC though.

ISTR seeing tube circuits that were superhets with a reaction IF stage.

Yes, I believe a regenerative detector following a frequency changer
(aka mixer) is called "supergainer".

I have never tried a supergainer but always liked the idea of compromise
best-of-both-worlds?

piglet

Because the reaction is fixed frequency, it seldom needs much adjustment. I've not tried one either. Prewar radio is fun.


NT
 
On 15/06/2016 15:33, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:09:17 UTC+1, bitrex wrote:
On 06/14/2016 03:35 PM, Dan wrote:
Looking for a tube only radio or radio kit
AM or FM or AM FM
More than standard broadcast range is desirable.

You can build a single-tube regenerative set that, if designed and
constructed carefully, will have much better performance over the AM and
AM shortwave bands than many commercially available superhets.

That's at odds with my own limited experience with reaction sets, and with people's experiences of commercial regen receiver ICs. They do remarkably well for the small number of parts, but don't compare in rf sensitivity to typical modern superhets. They are dramatically better at AGC though.

ISTR seeing tube circuits that were superhets with a reaction IF stage.


NT

Yes, I believe a regenerative detector following a frequency changer
(aka mixer) is called "supergainer".

I have never tried a supergainer but always liked the idea of compromise
best-of-both-worlds?

piglet
 
On 16/06/2016 21:34, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:30:44 UTC+1, piglet wrote:
On 15/06/2016 15:33, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:09:17 UTC+1, bitrex wrote:
On 06/14/2016 03:35 PM, Dan wrote:
Looking for a tube only radio or radio kit
AM or FM or AM FM
More than standard broadcast range is desirable.

You can build a single-tube regenerative set that, if designed and
constructed carefully, will have much better performance over the AM and
AM shortwave bands than many commercially available superhets.

That's at odds with my own limited experience with reaction sets, and with people's experiences of commercial regen receiver ICs. They do remarkably well for the small number of parts, but don't compare in rf sensitivity to typical modern superhets. They are dramatically better at AGC though.

ISTR seeing tube circuits that were superhets with a reaction IF stage.

Yes, I believe a regenerative detector following a frequency changer
(aka mixer) is called "supergainer".

I have never tried a supergainer but always liked the idea of compromise
best-of-both-worlds?

piglet

Because the reaction is fixed frequency, it seldom needs much adjustment. I've not tried one either. Prewar radio is fun.


NT

I read that special forces and secret agents radios favored this
technique as the emissions of the regenerative detector wouldn't leak
past the front end tuned circuit so enemy DF units would have a harder
time locating them. I guess it also allowed them to use quite a high
i.f. so likewise local oscillator radiation would be less of a problem.

piglet
 
On 06/16/2016 03:30 PM, piglet wrote:
On 15/06/2016 15:33, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:09:17 UTC+1, bitrex wrote:
On 06/14/2016 03:35 PM, Dan wrote:
Looking for a tube only radio or radio kit
AM or FM or AM FM
More than standard broadcast range is desirable.

You can build a single-tube regenerative set that, if designed and
constructed carefully, will have much better performance over the AM and
AM shortwave bands than many commercially available superhets.

That's at odds with my own limited experience with reaction sets, and
with people's experiences of commercial regen receiver ICs. They do
remarkably well for the small number of parts, but don't compare in rf
sensitivity to typical modern superhets. They are dramatically better
at AGC though.

ISTR seeing tube circuits that were superhets with a reaction IF stage.


NT


Yes, I believe a regenerative detector following a frequency changer
(aka mixer) is called "supergainer".

I have never tried a supergainer but always liked the idea of compromise
best-of-both-worlds?

piglet

Interestingly the "super" in both "superregenerative" and
"superheterodyne" comes from "supersonic", which before the 1950s meant
"too high-pitched to hear", i.e. ultrasonic. You need the IF and the
quench frequency to be above audio.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On 16/06/2016 22:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 06/16/2016 03:30 PM, piglet wrote:
On 15/06/2016 15:33, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:09:17 UTC+1, bitrex wrote:
On 06/14/2016 03:35 PM, Dan wrote:
Looking for a tube only radio or radio kit
AM or FM or AM FM
More than standard broadcast range is desirable.

You can build a single-tube regenerative set that, if designed and
constructed carefully, will have much better performance over the AM and
AM shortwave bands than many commercially available superhets.

That's at odds with my own limited experience with reaction sets, and
with people's experiences of commercial regen receiver ICs. They do
remarkably well for the small number of parts, but don't compare in rf
sensitivity to typical modern superhets. They are dramatically better
at AGC though.

ISTR seeing tube circuits that were superhets with a reaction IF stage.


NT


Yes, I believe a regenerative detector following a frequency changer
(aka mixer) is called "supergainer".

I have never tried a supergainer but always liked the idea of compromise
best-of-both-worlds?

piglet


Interestingly the "super" in both "superregenerative" and
"superheterodyne" comes from "supersonic", which before the 1950s meant
"too high-pitched to hear", i.e. ultrasonic. You need the IF and the
quench frequency to be above audio.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

The "supergainers" I heard of were not super-regenerative. Just a
superhet type front end frequency changer and a regenerative
("reaction") i.f. stage, so only two frequencies in the system: signal
and i.f. There was no third frequency/ultra-sonic quenching, the i.f.
stage was merely steadily self oscillating like a regular plain regen
receiver, so had remarkable q-multiplier type selectivity but not the
extreme gain of a super-regen.

piglet


piglet
 
The "supergainers" I heard of were not super-regenerative. Just a
superhet type front end frequency changer and a regenerative
("reaction") i.f. stage,

Well, if a regenerative stage doesn't oscillate, it's basically a Q-multiplier. That's more of an HF front end idea, though. If it oscillates, then either it's a superregen or it's broken.

You can make a 1-tube superregen by making the grid time constant long, so that it squegs. The squegging supplies the quench for the superregen.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 
On Thursday, 16 June 2016 22:35:30 UTC+1, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 06/16/2016 03:30 PM, piglet wrote:
On 15/06/2016 15:33, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:09:17 UTC+1, bitrex wrote:
On 06/14/2016 03:35 PM, Dan wrote:

Looking for a tube only radio or radio kit
AM or FM or AM FM
More than standard broadcast range is desirable.

You can build a single-tube regenerative set that, if designed and
constructed carefully, will have much better performance over the AM and
AM shortwave bands than many commercially available superhets.

That's at odds with my own limited experience with reaction sets, and
with people's experiences of commercial regen receiver ICs. They do
remarkably well for the small number of parts, but don't compare in rf
sensitivity to typical modern superhets. They are dramatically better
at AGC though.

ISTR seeing tube circuits that were superhets with a reaction IF stage.

Yes, I believe a regenerative detector following a frequency changer
(aka mixer) is called "supergainer".

I have never tried a supergainer but always liked the idea of compromise
best-of-both-worlds?

Interestingly the "super" in both "superregenerative" and
"superheterodyne" comes from "supersonic", which before the 1950s meant
"too high-pitched to hear", i.e. ultrasonic. You need the IF and the
quench frequency to be above audio.

The first time I saw a circuit for one the 'ultrasonic' squegging was at 10kHz, and I don't think it was filtered out. I assume this was too high for the moving iron speaker to reproduce.


NT
 
Sorry Phil but I must query your statement "If it oscillates, then
either it's a superregen or it's broken".

I would rather say that if it oscillates then it is an oscillating
regenerative detector. It is super-regenerative only if that
self-oscillation is itself periodic, whether by squegging or by a
separate quench oscillator.

The quenching occuring at neither r.f. nor a.f. but a super-sonic rate
is where the prefix super comes in.

I have built both regenerative radios and super-regenerative radios and
there is a definite difference. My copy of Terman Radio Engineering 2nd
ed 1937 also makes the distinction clear, see section 89 p453-456 and
section 90 p456-459.

I have that in my shelf, so I'll look it up when I get to the lab. Thanks!

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 
On 17/06/2016 03:28, Phil Hobbs wrote:
The "supergainers" I heard of were not super-regenerative. Just a
superhet type front end frequency changer and a regenerative
("reaction") i.f. stage,

Well, if a regenerative stage doesn't oscillate, it's basically a Q-multiplier. That's more of an HF front end idea, though. If it oscillates, then either it's a superregen or it's broken.

You can make a 1-tube superregen by making the grid time constant long, so that it squegs. The squegging supplies the quench for the superregen.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Sorry Phil but I must query your statement "If it oscillates, then
either it's a superregen or it's broken".

I would rather say that if it oscillates then it is an oscillating
regenerative detector. It is super-regenerative only if that
self-oscillation is itself periodic, whether by squegging or by a
separate quench oscillator.

The quenching occuring at neither r.f. nor a.f. but a super-sonic rate
is where the prefix super comes in.

I have built both regenerative radios and super-regenerative radios and
there is a definite difference. My copy of Terman Radio Engineering 2nd
ed 1937 also makes the distinction clear, see section 89 p453-456 and
section 90 p456-459.

piglet
 
On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 3:04:26 PM UTC-7, piglet wrote:
....
The "supergainers" I heard of were not super-regenerative. Just a
superhet type front end frequency changer and a regenerative
("reaction") i.f. stage, so only two frequencies in the system: signal
and i.f. There was no third frequency/ultra-sonic quenching, the i.f.
stage was merely steadily self oscillating like a regular plain regen
receiver, so had remarkable q-multiplier type selectivity but not the
extreme gain of a super-regen.

piglet

There seems to be some confusion in this thread between a "regenerative" receiver and a "super-regenerative" receiver.

A Super-regenerative receiver, as invented by Armstrong does oscillate at the received frequency and is then periodically quenched - the time to build up oscillations is reduced if there is a signal present. An extremely large stage gain is possible. It can radiate at the received frequency.

A straight regenerative receiver is an amplifying stage with positive feedback and should be be adjusted so it is just below the point of oscillation - the positive feedback increases the gain over that of a straight stage and can improve selectivity. It should not radiate if correctly used.

kevin
 
A straight regenerative receiver is an amplifying stage with positive
feedback and should be be adjusted so it is just below the point
of oscillation - the positive feedback increases the gain
over that of a straight stage and can improve selectivity. It should
not radiate if correctly used.

That's a Q-multiplier, not a detector, though. Q multipliers are noisy, but you don't care very much at MF/HF.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 

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