Driver to drive?

[Parse Tree]

Dave VanHorn wrote:

http://www.xenu.net/

Ted Gunderson, former head of the FBI's Los Angeles office, quoted in TIME
May 6, 1991:

"In my opinion the church has one of the most effective intelligence
operations in the U.S. rivaling even that of the FBI."

How ridiculous. He can't decide if it's an effective intelligence
operation or if it rivals the FBI. Those two things are mutually
exclusive, Mr. Gunderson.

 

[Aunty Kreist]

"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
newsan.2005.01.23.16.19.15.142665@att.bizzzz...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:49:56 -0500, James Knott wrote:

Aunty Kreist wrote:

Does Scientology count as a religion, or a cult?

Is there a difference?

Ask yourself if your atheism is a cult, and maybe you'll see the
difference.

--
Keith

There's a hierarchy and organization to Scientology, though. Atheism doesn't
have any such nonsense.

 

[Aunty Kreist]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:43:02 -0500, "Aunty Kreist"
Aunty_Kreist@satanickittens.net> wrote:


"Parse Tree" <account@domain.extension> wrote in message
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Regardless, those things only measure what people profess, and not what
they actually believe in their minds. I'd wager that atheism is closer
to 5 billion.

Agnostics and Pagans were also not included in that survey.

---
I believe they were included (albeit not specifically) in :

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Nonreligious

Ah, thank you!

--
John Fields

 

[Mac]

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:21:35 -0400, Kevin wrote:

I want to build a RS485 network using Cat 5 cable. But since the RS485
specs don't specify connector types I'm at a loss to figure out what I
should use with (easily obtained) Cat5 cable.

Some of the remote nodes attach to equipment that is on wheels (ease
of moving for cleaning, maintainance etc). So I'm thinking that the
cables and connectors may get damaged over time. I would like to use
cables and connectors that are cheap and easily replaceable when
damaged. (Yes, I know the best thing is to ensure that they don't get
damaged in the 1st place, but this is the real world I'm talking
about).

This is half duplex RS485 communication, so it only requires 2 diff.
signal wires and ground. (A total of 3 wires).

I don't want to use a RJ45 connector on the Cat5 cable, as somebody
might think it's an Ethernet network cable and plug it into a laptop
or something.

I don't think this would harm anything. It definitely won't harm typical
RS-485 drivers, which are robust. I believe it is unlikely to harm any
ethernet device either, but I suppose there are no guarantees.
Remember, 100 baseT ethernet doesn't use all the wires, and 1000 baseT
requires transformer coupling on all pairs, so I would think you could
arrange a safe pinout for RJ-45.

It occurred to me that RJ11 cable has 4 wires, and might be the
solution to my problem.

What I was thinking of is to run Cat5 as close to each machine as
possible and connect it to a plain old surface mount modular RJ11
telephone box (you know, like what your phone cord plugs into). Then I
could use a standard RJ11 telephone cable (like what connects your
modem to the phone line) to hook the machine up to the network. (The
machine would also have a modular RJ11 telephone box which would be
connected to the RS485 transceiver of the electronics that I'll
design).

If you haven't designed the electronics yet, maybe you would consider
using LVDS instead of RS-485 levels. Then you can use RJ45 with no fear of
damaging ethernet should someone inadvertently plug-in their laptop.

This might be more easily understood by this diagram:

Cat5 Cheap Phone Cable Inside Machine
---------[Phone Box]====================[Phone Box]--------------
Cat5 here?

The link cable (phone cable with RJ11 ends) and connectors (RJ11 phone
boxes) are cheap and easily obtained and replaceable.

Now I know that this will probably mess up the differential signal a
bit, since the RJ11 phone cable is not twisted pair. But say the phone
cable is less than 10 feet - will it make a difference?

Not at 9600 baud.

Questions:

1. Is this workable? If not why? (Communication will be done at
9600bps).

Yes.

2. What about if I use a slew-limited RS485 driver on all nodes to
help ensure signal quality (minimise reflections etc). Will I be able
to do this RJ11 thing then?

Yes.

3. Are there any other cheap connectors and cabling that I can use for
Cat5 to run it directly to each machine? What type of connector do you
guys use when you do RS485 networks and how do you handle the physical
wiring arrangement? (Digikey #s appreciated if possible).

I like the idea of using Cat5 with RJ-45 or RJ-11. One thing you should
know is that you can plug a regular telephone cord into an RJ-45 socket.
This is what we do where I work (I mean the telephone jacks are RJ-45,
but we plug regular phone cords into them). So you could terminate the
CAT5 network in regular RJ-45 wall plates, and then go from the wall to
the RJ-11 in your device with ordinary telephone cords. You might want to
use the inner two wires for ground, and use the outer two wires for your
signal. This will avoid any conflict if someone plugs the cable into a
telephone. It would still allow the possibility of someone plugging a
laptop into the wall, but only if they have their own patch cord.

Thanks for any advice/suggestions.

You're welcome. I hope I helped!

--Mac

 

[Brian]

"John Larkin" <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote in
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:51:54 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:



Jim Douglas wrote:
Canada is not far from most places in the US, also Mexico is missing
quite a
few folks, if these places don't suit you Europe is available for about
$299.00. Move somewhere for four years then come back and let us know
what
you think!



Nah=- you've got that wrong. What's going to happen is we herd all you
Bush freaks into dumps like Wyoming and call it Jesusland- a new
independent country of delusional idiots.


Oh yeah? You and what Army?

John


Its hard to argue with the jealous. Yeah, we go to Europe for vacations.

Because it is quaint. Rustic perhaps. Old World. But the US is, by a huge
margin, the best country in the world. As the gap widens, the outsiders and
like-thinkers whine more? Why? Simply because they BELIEVE they are entitled
to some of the wealth created by us. The reason we are so great is because
we have a distinct lean toward the right. We have to as it balances out the
huge burden of the left. Historically, when there have been even minor ships
to the left, bad things happen. Then the left starts blaming the newest
right-oriented leaders. For instance, the latest past "recession" being
blamed on GW. Even though it started early on. Why? They were in truth they
were Clinton "Left"overs.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Winfield Hill <hill_a@t_rowland-
dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote (in <ct1ap801lrc@drn.newsguy.com&gt
about 'Peterson's Death Sentence', on Sun, 23 Jan 2005:

John Woodgate wrote...

I don't think you CAN mistreat an electron. You would need to present
some damaged or worn-out ones to convince me. (;-)

In a college experiment I used to annihilate them with positrons;
that should qualify.


You have been reported to the United Nations Authority for the

Protection of Fundamental Particles. Positrons are an endangered species
and find it difficult to survive in the modern environment.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Paul Burke]

John Woodgate wrote:

Sort of. But don't push it too far. 'Vacwm cleaner' is not English! Or
Welsh, as it happens.

No, it seems it's gwagfa (pronounced guagva) or hwfar - pronounced
Hoover. It's a lovely language.

Paul Burke

 

[Brian]

"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:55:20 -0600, Brian wrote:


"SioL" <Sio_spam_L@same.net> wrote in message
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"Brian" <brian@w3gate.com> wrote in message
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Its hard to argue with the jealous. Yeah, we go to Europe for
vacations.
Because it is quaint. Rustic perhaps. Old World. But the US is, by a
huge
margin, the best country in the world. As the gap widens, the outsiders
and like-thinkers whine more? Why? Simply because they BELIEVE they are
entitled to some of the wealth created by us. The reason we are so
great
is because we have a distinct lean toward the right.....


Here you go, you're a good example of what the majority of the US
thinks.
And than you wonder "Why do they hate us so much over there in Europe?

By the way, the best place to live in the world is Norway. And US is not
even
second or third.

Quote:
For the fourth year in a row,
the United Nations has ranked Norway as having the highest standard of
living in the
world. Sweden, Australia and Canada are next in line, while the United
States is further
down the scale.
End Quote.

The United States landed in eighth place on the list. So much for your
"By
a wide margin".
Although I'd give it a much worse rating, below 15. There are many
countries I'd pick
rather than the US, countries with higher levels of Democracy with
people
who are a lot
less arogant, are better educated overall and are a lot slimmer. Who
wants
a 150Kg+
girlfriend?

I've been to the countries mentioned here so I know what I'm talking
about.
I bet you've never been outside the US, have you? So what is your
position based
upon, government propaganda? Did your mama tell you US was the best
place
to live
and you were gonna kick those EU asses?

S


You really aren't trying to tell me that UN stuff is believealbe? The
same
organization that wants to disarm the world! Heck, the UN HATES freedom!
Who
is a nincompoop listening to propaganda?

Come on, Brian. What about the UN Human Rights Comission? The Sudan is
such a fine upstanding place.

--
Keith

I don't know just how fat they must have their heads up their a$$e$ to
believe that crap!

 

[SioL]

"John Larkin" <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote in message news:0l48v0153b4v6m7o8dhhau5qlhgeg43bva@4ax.com...

But not if you stay at a Mariott or a Club Med; the only locals you
see are the servants.

John

Yep, and many do nowadays, here and there in the US. Such a pity.
Mingling with the locals is much more rewarding.

I just remembered, the Norvegians are much more diverse than you'd think,
they're very open and tolerant to immigrants and indeed you can see all kinds
of people there, black, indian...

S

 

[Rhyanon]

Hee hee hee! You're BITTER! Too fucking cool! I forced you to spew bile all
over yourself! You're a bitter old looooozer who is AFRAID to die because
you have achieved NOTHING in this lifetime! WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAA!!!!


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:28:59 -0600, "Rhyanon" <pissoff@uberbitch.com
wrote:

I love how inbred xstains like yourself have this sheeple - witted need
to
pigeonhole genders. Your own libido being a sad delusion, you think
assigning behaviors to one or the other will somehow "straighten" you
out.
Heh. But it won't.

---
"Pigeonhole"? Interesting choice of word considering that you have no
compunctions about doing the same thing to points of view which differ
from yours. But of course _your_ double standards are so much higher
than most that they only fly at half-mast _some_ of the time. As for
the libido part, I have no doubt that coming across you in a wet dream
would dry things up pretty quick!

--
John Fields

 

[Rhyanon]

Unlike you, I don't need to "dig" at all. Now go wash your hands, fates only
know where that ass of yours has been.......


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:29:19 -0600, "Rhyanon" <pissoff@uberbitch.com
wrote:

No, just you stupid ones.

---
Hmmm... really had to dig deep for that one, huh?


--
John Fields

 

[Rhyanon]

I know! It sure seems to be yanking your loose ass around quite nicely.


"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:32:52 -0600, Rhyanon wrote:

Nah -- just wishful pukings from someone who hasn't the balls to flame
effectively, nor the fortitude to admit defeat and slink away.

What wit!

--
Keith

 

[Rhyanon]

Nice attempt at a dodge, except for that falling all over yourself bit.


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:30:01 -0600, "Rhyanon" <pissoff@uberbitch.com
wrote:

Oh, far from it, dicklick. I am in the silent majority of those who would
rejoice at the downfall of the zealots.

---
_Silent_??? YOU??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


--
John Fields

 

[Rhyanon]

Ah, so you *have* thrown out all your mirrors, then....Can't say I blame
you, fuglay....

"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
newsan.2005.01.24.03.12.50.54894@att.bizzzz...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:13:51 -0600, Rhyanon wrote:

Gosh, are you drunk? have you been drinking?

No, are you? ...though if I had to live with an ugly twat like you...

--
Keith

 

[richard mullens]

Fred Bloggs wrote:

Brian wrote:




I've read "the bull" and of course, not being sick like you, I read
both sides and determined what is probable. Hence I am not single
minded and sick like you. However, please tell me how many people a
monster must murder, must gas, must torture and kill before you find
it offensive.


Why don't you ask Bush , Rumsfeld, or Gonzalez that question...

That's right, you could start with these two killed in Mosul - and their children now orphans:-

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m8986&l=i&size=1&hd=0

And you can see the transparent electoral abuse at http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2532792 where expat iraqis are preparing to
vote in America.

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:39:52 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

I love DST, since it gives another hour of sun
in the evening in summer and gives it back in the morning in the winter.
It's enough of a PITA to have sunlight at 4:00AM, we don't need it at
3:00AM. Likewise it's rather nice to at least go to work this time of
year in the light. It's dark by the time I leave. I'd vote for double
DST. Perhaps another half-hour on both ends.

---
How about Daylight Sliding Time?

That would be where clocks would automatically adjust themselves so
the sun would rise and set at the same time every day.

--
John Fields

 

[Clarence_A]

"Pig Bladder" made his usual gracious insults known:

Clarence_A wrote:
"Anthony Fremont" wrote
"Clarence_A" wrote

More bigoted religious garbage!

As opposed to that tolerant, compassionate and magnanimous
statement? Thanks for the heads up, I'm glad you're here
to vigilantly protecting us from the deplorable task of
judging for ourselves.

That's right! I am every bit as tolerant as those who have
threatened to burn my house with me in it, because my religion
is
not approved by them! Stating a fact is not expressing any
constraint to anyone so inclined. Rot your mind as much as
you
want.

Clarence, It has nothing to do with religion.

Well, that IS what THEY said it was. THEY were Catholic! The
Priest apologized, after I filed a complaint with he police. He
insisted that it was not the official position of his parish, only
the actions of a few members. As IF it made a difference! Since
I had photos of the six most involved there was only a little
nervous time until things settled down. They have since moved
away or were arrested for other crimes. (One is in for 25 to
life.)

Seems you can not practice 'your' religion openly if the religious
'police' are out and about!

 

[Clarence_A]

"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:58:58 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:23:43 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net
(John S.
Dyson) wrote:

[snip]

It is true that some idiot called the non-DST Indiana timezone
to be
'Gods time', but it is also true that alot of
psuedo-intellectuals couldn't
explain the historical reason for the oddity.

John

Arizona doesn't observe DST for a very simple reason... the
drive-in
movie theater lobby argued that it would hurt their business
on school
nights... because they couldn't start the show until 9PM.

I AM NOT pulling your leg ;-)

A number of Drive-in's closed due to the one year it was
mandatory, but complaints came from Bars and night clubs too,
since there was no change in the required closing time at 1:00AM,
and it didn't get completely dark until so late due to Phoenix
being to the west side of the time zone. I remember it was very
disruptive to many activities. A group I belonged to at that
time, postponed ALL activities until after the return to normal
time.

 

[Douglas O'Neal]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Douglas O'Neal
oneal@dbi.udel.edu> wrote (in <csrm52$leq$1@scrotar.nss.udel.edu&gt
about 'What Is God?', on Fri, 21 Jan 2005:

Kevin Aylward wrote:

snip

This "there are no morals without thy lord" is just bullshit to justify
the religious agenda.



God fits into this formula of balance :what-you-do =
what-you-get-in-return.


And is perfectly explained by evolution.

http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/morals.html
http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/emotions.html
http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html


Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

If I am reading the first link given, then a moral behavior is one
that maximizes the traits its possessor, presumably by genetic
inhertance. Thus a male's killing of other males and raping of
their wives would be moral since that maximizes that person's
number of offspring. Interesting that I don't know of any societies
that recognize this morality.


It's called 'war'. Recognize it now? Only since the latter part of the
20th century has the 'rape' bit even been frowned on, but it still goes
on. And some isn't rape at all, but consensual.

'Soldier's privilege'.

No, I don't recognize it now. I understand that both historically and
in modern times this behavior was tolerated and possibly encouraged
against one's enemies but I cannot name any society where this behavior
towards all people (not just declared enemies) was the cultural norm.

 

[Mark Jones]

google_groups_usa@yahoo.com wrote:

http://www3.boxke.net << click link for the good news

YAY!

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-- "There's one thing I hate more than politics, and that is religious
zealots." MCJ 20050124