Driver to drive?

[None]

"Ramon F Herrera" <ramon@conexus.net> wrote in message
news:bHSQw.132793$bk5.67724@fx06.iad...

I was under the impression that people who participate in these
newsgroups knew about voice signals and spectrograms?

Now some have obtained a master's degree in "Made Up Usenet Rules
Police"?

Seems to be a step backwards, if you ask me.

Herrera, who likes to pretend he invented Usenet, has apparently never
even heard of news.newusers, and he pretends that the netiquette
standards that have been spelled out there for thirty or more years
are "Made Up" by present-day Usenet denizens. WAFA.

 

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 6:08:40 PM UTC-7, Gary Eickmeier wrote:

I didn't think we were supposed to send images on this group.

If a binary file attachment makes it through to a text-only Usenet newsgroup, it usually means the server they posted to is misconfigured to allow it.

Or, the newsgroup is misconfigured to allow binaries after all.

Google Groups neither lists post attachments, nor accepts them to post.

 

[Scott Dorsey]

Gary Eickmeier <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

Scott, I am using Outlook Express on my ancient Win XP computer. I subscribe
to usenet with newshosting.com. What I see in Herrera's message is the basic
message with a paper clipped attachment that is a 160k .png file.

Yup. Outlook Express does that.

Usenet has no "attachments" or "enclosures" and even simple MIME-encoding is
severely deprecated. But Outlook gives you an interface that makes everything
look like Outlook.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

 

[Richard Dobson]

On 26/03/2015 17:48, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Gary Eickmeier <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

Scott, I am using Outlook Express on my ancient Win XP computer. I subscribe
to usenet with newshosting.com. What I see in Herrera's message is the basic
message with a paper clipped attachment that is a 160k .png file.

Yup. Outlook Express does that.

Usenet has no "attachments" or "enclosures" and even simple MIME-encoding is
severely deprecated. But Outlook gives you an interface that makes everything
look like Outlook.
--scott

Some usenet groups (and the news servers that host them) support
attachments (such as images), other don't. One that does is
alt.binaries.pictures.astro, a group with effectively zero noise, where
amateur astronomers with some seriously serious kit and knowledge post
seriously good images of galaxies, etc.

As for that sonogram, no way is it of a human speaking voice (unless
they can somehow get up to >5KHz). My guess is birdsong.

Richard Dobson

 

[Ramon F Herrera]

On 3/26/2015 9:39 AM, None wrote:
> Herrera, who likes to pretend he invented Usenet [...]

Along with a DeMillean cast of thousands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_B._DeMille

Plus, I always give due credit to Al Gore!

-Ramon

 

[Don Pearce]

On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 20:25:30 +0000, Richard Dobson
<richarddobson@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 26/03/2015 17:48, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gary Eickmeier <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

Scott, I am using Outlook Express on my ancient Win XP computer. I subscribe
to usenet with newshosting.com. What I see in Herrera's message is the basic
message with a paper clipped attachment that is a 160k .png file.

Yup. Outlook Express does that.

Usenet has no "attachments" or "enclosures" and even simple MIME-encoding is
severely deprecated. But Outlook gives you an interface that makes everything
look like Outlook.
--scott

Some usenet groups (and the news servers that host them) support
attachments (such as images), other don't. One that does is
alt.binaries.pictures.astro, a group with effectively zero noise, where
amateur astronomers with some seriously serious kit and knowledge post
seriously good images of galaxies, etc.

As for that sonogram, no way is it of a human speaking voice (unless
they can somehow get up to >5KHz). My guess is birdsong.

Richard Dobson

As far as I can tell, my news provider only provides binary support on
groups that are specified as binary. Actually these days with millions
of terabytes available free in the cloud, why would anyone bother
posting binaries to any news group? A link is a far more sensible
idea.

d

 

[None]

"Richard Dobson" <richarddobson@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:_WZQw.515406$dX1.421609@fx21.am4...

Some usenet groups (and the news servers that host them) support
attachments (such as images), other don't. One that does is
alt.binaries.pictures.astro,

Those aren't attachements. The binary data is in the message body.

 

[Richard Dobson]

On 26/03/2015 23:14, None wrote:

"Richard Dobson" <richarddobson@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:_WZQw.515406$dX1.421609@fx21.am4...
Some usenet groups (and the news servers that host them) support
attachments (such as images), other don't. One that does is
alt.binaries.pictures.astro,

Those aren't attachements. The binary data is in the message body.

Of course it is. That is what an "attachment" is. GUI news readers
simply don't typically display them that way. If you use an old
fashioned text-only unix-style reader, the attachment will appear in all
its illegible text-encoded glory.

Richard Dobson

 

[Richard Dobson]

On 26/03/2015 21:05, Don Pearce wrote:
....

As far as I can tell, my news provider only provides binary support on
groups that are specified as binary. Actually these days with millions
of terabytes available free in the cloud, why would anyone bother
posting binaries to any news group? A link is a far more sensible
idea.

In that particular case, they are not simply posting images, but also
extensive detailed technical text description and analyses of the images
wrt both the astronomy and the image processing. Usenet is still the
most efficient, practical and compact way to do all that, without having
to faff about writing web pages. Some contributors do post links; that
choice is always available too.

Richard Dobson

 

[Don Pearce]

On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 23:51:36 +0000, Richard Dobson
<richarddobson@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 26/03/2015 21:05, Don Pearce wrote:
...

As far as I can tell, my news provider only provides binary support on
groups that are specified as binary. Actually these days with millions
of terabytes available free in the cloud, why would anyone bother
posting binaries to any news group? A link is a far more sensible
idea.


In that particular case, they are not simply posting images, but also
extensive detailed technical text description and analyses of the images
wrt both the astronomy and the image processing. Usenet is still the
most efficient, practical and compact way to do all that, without having
to faff about writing web pages. Some contributors do post links; that
choice is always available too.

Richard Dobson

My cloud provider is Dropbox, and it provides both public and private
storage. To use the public storage I just copy a link and paste it
into the text, no need to create web pages. The dropbox itself looks
like any other folder on my PC.

d

 

[Ramon F Herrera]

On 3/26/2015 4:05 PM, Don Pearce wrote:

of terabytes available free in the cloud, why would anyone bother
posting binaries to any news group? A link is a far more sensible
idea.

For the same reason that a magazine provides a picture under the text,
in the *same* page (gasp! the horror! the profanity!! (*)) instead of
saying:

"All the photos are in a supplement to this magazine"

I am as Unix old timer as you can get and was pleasantly surprised that
my newsreader (Apache Thunderbird) and my provider support attachments
seamlessly.

In fact, we were discussing a voice clip and its spectrogram. Attached
both. Tried several sizes in alt.test to determine the maximum. The
agreement with my readers was: forget about sound, but a small image is
Okay.

People are attaching VIDEOS, fer crying out loud. See Politico and
Instagram. Welcome to the 21st. century.

-Ramon

(*) "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC8CtLhrExE

 

[Ramon F Herrera]

On 3/27/2015 6:39 AM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:

(*) "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzuRXLzqKk

-RFH

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 03/27/2015 01:55 AM, Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 23:51:36 +0000, Richard Dobson
richarddobson@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 26/03/2015 21:05, Don Pearce wrote:
...

As far as I can tell, my news provider only provides binary support on
groups that are specified as binary. Actually these days with millions
of terabytes available free in the cloud, why would anyone bother
posting binaries to any news group? A link is a far more sensible
idea.


In that particular case, they are not simply posting images, but also
extensive detailed technical text description and analyses of the images
wrt both the astronomy and the image processing. Usenet is still the
most efficient, practical and compact way to do all that, without having
to faff about writing web pages. Some contributors do post links; that
choice is always available too.

Richard Dobson


My cloud provider is Dropbox, and it provides both public and private
storage. To use the public storage I just copy a link and paste it
into the text, no need to create web pages. The dropbox itself looks
like any other folder on my PC.

d

Usenet posts last for years, though.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 11:11:58 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 03/27/2015 01:55 AM, Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 23:51:36 +0000, Richard Dobson
richarddobson@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 26/03/2015 21:05, Don Pearce wrote:
...

As far as I can tell, my news provider only provides binary support on
groups that are specified as binary. Actually these days with millions
of terabytes available free in the cloud, why would anyone bother
posting binaries to any news group? A link is a far more sensible
idea.


In that particular case, they are not simply posting images, but also
extensive detailed technical text description and analyses of the images
wrt both the astronomy and the image processing. Usenet is still the
most efficient, practical and compact way to do all that, without having
to faff about writing web pages. Some contributors do post links; that
choice is always available too.

Richard Dobson


My cloud provider is Dropbox, and it provides both public and private
storage. To use the public storage I just copy a link and paste it
into the text, no need to create web pages. The dropbox itself looks
like any other folder on my PC.

d

Usenet posts last for years, though.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Relevance? So will my Dropbox.

d

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 06:39:35 -0500, Ramon F Herrera
<ramon@conexus.net> wrote:

People are attaching VIDEOS, fer crying out loud. See Politico and
Instagram. Welcome to the 21st. century.
-Ramon

I went back and looked at the binary attachements that you provided in
this thread. Nobody has responded to any of those messages. This
should offer you a clue as to how many people read the attachements
and if they are well received. None of the attachments that you
supplied in this thread contained any images or information that
couldn't also have been supplied as plain text.

For sci.electronics.design binary attachments should go to
alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
or
alt.binaries.schematics.electronics

If you really want videos, images, and wiggling icons, there are
plenty of forums and blogs that allow them, along with tons of
advertising, navigation aids, and useless distractions. That's where
the users comments are usually limited to one liners such as
"hey... look at this". A few even have threading. Most are hurting
for content and often just steal their content from Usenet. Hopefully,
you're not advocating turning Usenet into yet another of these content
free forums.

Drivel: I was serving Usenet Bnews 2.11 in about 1983, when there
were only 15 newsgroups, and transport was by 1200 baud dialup or
locally with QIC-60 tapes on my bicycle.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

On 26 Mar 2015 09:33:49 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Gary Eickmeier <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

No, it is not a link, it is a file sent along with his text message. I go to
a lot of trouble to post pictures or audio to a web site somewhere because I
should not send them in a message.

I bet a nickel you're using Outlook, which displays the link as if it were
a local file. This is specifically a function of your news client, other
people do not see this.
--scott

We have a winner!

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931

_Gray

 

[mpm]

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 8:12:58 AM UTC-4, bill ashford wrote:

Enough is enough. My wife is getting upwards of 10 calls daily where no
one is on the line when she answers. We have caller ID and...

Register your phone numbers at www.donotcall.gov
It's not a foolproof solution, but it might cut down some of the problem.

I'm assuming that you believe these are not legitimate calls. Be advised, however, that there are plenty of situations in which a call (inbound or outbound) is not completed for various technical reason. For example, I'm aware of DSL-UVerse translation issues relating to "Find-Me" type service where a call is supposed to ring in two places at once. Situations can arise in the provisioning where a cell phone destination of "Find Me" only rings once and that's it. No possibility to answer the call. Problem is ultimately in the phone company line provisioning. Just an example - I'm sure there are dozens more situations where a call rings but cannot be connected (completed) by the phone company. So, if these turn out to be legitimate calls, you'd need to contact repair.

That said, your issues does sound like robo-calling or telemarketers.
Or, maybe your phone number is "867-5309"?

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Well, they're not as cantankerous as musicians.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 10:44:39 AM UTC+1, Robert Baer wrote:

modernscience@UWSD.edu wrote:

From: The World of Science
Article 4115
Posted: April 1, 2015

The world is running out of electrons. Electric costs soar, while
electrical power capacity continues to decline. It now takes nearly
twice the amount of water power, coal, or nuclear energy to turn a
turbine for the same electrical output amounts previously generated by
half that amount of source energy. This decline will continue to get
worse each and every year.

The cause of this is easy to understand. The world is using too much
electricity and thus too many electrons are being consumed. Modern
electronics are being used in nearly everything these days, from engine
control on vehicles, to televisions, cell phones, computers, games, as
well as industrial production and home use of electricity and
electronics. The more electrical power we use, the more electrons we
consume.

It's estimated that by the year 2020, we will begin to see entire cities
go black, or suffer long term brownouts, and/or sporadic power
interruptions. Lighting will be dim, and electronic devices will cease
to operate, or will operate very slowly. For example, your computer may
begin to run slower than those old computers prior to the year 1985.
Microsoft is already attempting to design an operating system which uses
less electrons, but this has been hushed from the public to eliminate
panic, until now.

"It will only get worse". These are the words of many top scientists
all over the world. Like anything, no resource is infinate, and there
are limitations. Just like the shortage of oil that will soon occur
worldwide, there is a shortage of electrons, and this may actually have
a bigger impact on our lives. It will soon become too expensive to
produce electricity, and we will have to go back to using candles for
lighting, animals instead of electric motors to power our devices, and
computers, cellphones, television and so on, will become a thing of the
past.

Until then, everyone is being asked to cut back on their use of
electricity and electronics. Turn off unneeded lights, limit computer,
phone, and television use, and avoid using electrical power for heating
whenever possible. This will prolong the inevitable, but not entirely
stop our severe loss of electrons.

Scientists worldwide are attempting to find a method to "grow" new
electrons, but so far, all attempts have failed. Whether this is
possible, no one can say for sure. All we can do is to conserve the
electrons we still have, while preparing for the day when all of our
modern electrical devices will cease to function.



Cannot "grow" more; the Pauli Exclusion principle states that every
electron must have its own place - so if we re running out of
electrons, that means we are running out of places.

Mybe we need to recycle them from old PCBs


NT

 

On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 6:58:55 PM UTC+1, Pimpom wrote:

modernscience@UWSD.edu> wrote in message
news:hfnoha5postb856kb517omt6tr65bvasj1@4ax.com...

From: The World of Science
Article 4115
Posted: April 1, 2015

The world is running out of electrons. Electric costs soar,

It's been scientifically proven beyond all reasonable doubt that
consumption of electrons is the primary factor in AGW. As we use
up electrons faster than they can be replenished, the remaining
electrons are working harder than ever to make up for the decline
in their numbers.

They spin faster and faster and thus generate
more and more heat.

sounds like politicians


NT