Driver to drive?

[Rolavine]

They yelled '4 more years' for Nixon too. Republicans never learn a thing, how
the hell else could they back such a bunch of bullshit solutions to real
problems.

One wonders how anyone that thinks tort reform will end rising health care
costs could be smart enough to shove food into their cake holes.

Or someone that bought the Prez's statement that '75% of Al Qaida leaders have
been captured or killed' would be able to distinguish reality from their
considerable mind mists enough to stand up without falling over.

The idiots have won, boy are we lucky! And the worst part is these asswipes
backslapping themselves and acting like they know what the hell they are doing.

Rocky

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:04:21 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

That's silly. The world's most repressive regimes have been Nazi
Germany, the USSR, China, Cambodia, and North Korea, places that kill
you if they suspect that you're *thinking* wrong.

Right- your remark is out of context- like you better hope Bush is not
thinking about regime change in the USSR or China...

Of course he is. And it will happen. It is happening. My Tektronix
TDS2012's are all made in China.

John

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Brian wrote:

"Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:41F266FB.6000406@nospam.com...


Brian wrote:

"Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:41F10B8B.9040609@nospam.com...


Bush: Unfazed ... or Unhinged?
Why nothing gets him down
by Dr. Teresa Whitehurst

"Mr. Bush said there was no need to hold any of his officials accountable
for mistakes or misjudgments in prewar planning or managing the
aftermath…The [Washington Post] asked Mr. Bush why no one had been held
responsible for wrong information about weapons of mass destruction in
Iraq or mistakes made after the US-led war.

"'Well, we had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004
election,' he replied."

- "U.S. Voters 'Endorsed Iraq Policy,'" BBC.com

When I saw the tease for the Fox News story, "Bush Unfazed by Criticism
of Iraq WMD Hunt: Find out why the president doesn't let the press get
him down," I had to read on:

"ush is also good at not letting the press get the better of him by
drawing him into their traps, especially ones set by the White House
press corps seeking for him to admit he was wrong about weapons in Iraq."

This "explanation" is Fox-speak, and as usual it disappoints. My
curiosity was not satisfied. Why does the president not "let the press
get him down"? Because "he's good at not letting the press get the better
of him."

I examined the article more closely, but it never answers the tempting
question of the story's subtitle. There are, however, a few revealing
quotes (emphasis added):

"Even though Bush enjoys joking with the media, he does not trust them…."
"'We sometimes joke about things that are said about both of us,' Cheney
told FOX News."
"But with the body count on the rise in Iraq, criticism continued
throughout 2004. Vice President Cheney said most of the time, he and Bush
learned to shake off the wilting attacks."
"'There was sort of a little obsession about, "Let's get the president to
admit he made a mistake." And he just wasn't interested in it,' [FOX News
contributor and Washington Times reporter Bill] Sammon said."
"[Bush] said while he got his hackles up when his father was criticized,
he isn't going to let attacks on himself get his dander up."
"You know, look, I love my dad a lot. And I didn't like when people said
bad things about him. And I'm kind of a feisty guy at times and made it
clear I didn't like what they said," [Bush] said. "But I'm in a different
position. I'm in a position now where I must set goals and inspire and
lead…."
Some interesting patterns may be detected in these statements that help
us understand the man who'll be inaugurated with record-breaking security
today.

1. Instead of giving us insight into GWB (why he doesn't let the press
get him down), the story editorializes about the press and its nefarious
methods: "Bush is also good at not letting the press get the better of
him by drawing him into their traps." We are given to understand that the
press doesn't ask honest questions aimed at getting answers.

Questions are viewed by Mr. Bush as nothing but traps – "especially ones
set by the White House press corps seeking for him to admit he was wrong
about weapons in Iraq." The story never questions, nor even notes, this
paranoid portrait of a malicious press trying to hurt a beleaguered
innocent.

2. Instead of telling us why Mr. Bush doesn't let the press get him down,
this story tells us how. He does it by "shaking if off," by "joking," and
by not being "interested." It would seem that Mr. Bush maintains this
"joking/shaking-it-off/not interested" stance to defend against "wilting
attacks" regarding matters as vital to the American people as this war
and its rationale – even in the midst of rising military body counts.

What do these responses reveal about Mr. Bush? His evasive/uninterested
responses to journalists are aggressive acts (not answering or
explaining) camouflaged as benign or passive (never admitting that he's
angry at being asked, or that he has no intention of providing the
information requested). Psychologists call this passive-aggressive
behavior.

Mr. Bush "jokes" in the face of questions and criticism to conceal the
negative emotions he experiences whenever he has to face reporters. The
joking act has three important advantages. By laughing, he


a. conceals his irritation, fear, or anger (essential in order to
convince others that he has nothing to hide);
b. makes his refusal to answer appear accidental and unintentional (Lt.
Columbo's absent-minded mumbling is similarly amused and distracted,
disguising his snooping); and
c. speaks in code to his good-ol'-boy base by appearing "above it all,"
untroubled by, and superior to, the supposedly elite, overeducated
reporters "trying to trap him."

3. We see a glimmer of the anger lying just under the surface of the
"joking" demeanor when Mr. Bush ominously understates the fact that he
"doesn't like it" when people say bad things about his dad, and that he
makes his displeasure clear. Oddly but tellingly, he then switches the
subject to his power, the ultimate trump card: He's the president, not
the lowly journalists who dare to question his dad – or, more
importantly, him.

"Contempt Is the Prerogative of the King"


The link between contemptuous indifference and power is interesting. To
be indifferent is to be in control; a lion is unfazed by a kitten's bite.
Yet this is just an act. Nobody – unless psychotic or psychopathic – is
unfazed when confronted with serious criticism.

Pretending to be unfazed can conceal irritation, panic, rage, or the
desire for revenge. Revealing these emotions (which "leaked" during the
presidential debates) would crack the image of infallibility and calm
power that his advisors have worked so hard to create.

In little-boy language, George W. Bush says it's important for us to know
that he's "the president of everybody" … including (especially?) those
who didn't vote for him. Power is intoxicating, and unfortunately our
president is tipsy, if not drunk, on it. Revising the kindergarten line,
"You aren't the boss of me," he asserts his dominance:

"On the election, Bush said he was puzzled that he received only about 11
percent of the black vote.... 'I did my best to reach out, and I will
continue to do so. … It's important for people to know that I'm the
president of everybody.'"

Clearly, Mr. Bush is unfazed much of the time. In a quick Google search,
I found 517 Web pages with articles titled, "Bush unfazed…." Here's a
sample of the results:


Bush unfazed by UK protest plans
Bush unfazed by 'loving women' gaffe
Bush unfazed by criticism
Bush unfazed by falling car rental taxes, Orlando hotel closings
Bush unfazed as absence of WMDs confirmed
Bush unfazed by criticism, believes WMD search has just begun
Bush unfazed by death toll (this blunt title has been hidden by The
Herald Sun)
Bush unfazed as US toll in Iraq tops 1,000
Bush unfazed by spineless pundits, UN
In that last article, writer Cal Thomas hails Mr. Bush's unfazed stance,
"The president neither retreated nor apologized for the war or his claim
that Hussein possessed WMDs." This "no regrets" policy requires the
"unfazed" strategy (which likely came from GOP advisors) wherein
conscience is banished. GWB's guilt-free indifference has become a fad,
adopted by all manner of people – from prime ministers to torturers.

Though some might consider him a sociopath, our president is unfazed by
this. Nothing shatters his calm resolve – not even the endless deaths of
American kids sent to rid Iraq of imaginary weapons. Mr. Bush is unfazed
by our pleas to honor democratic principles and heed the moral values
that Jesus taught. He was unfazed yesterday, he's unfazed today, and he
will be unfazed tomorrow, joking even as he's called to account for the
damage he's doing to our country. He's so unfazed that you can almost see
the steam coming out of his ears.




I still cry daily over a mass murdering dicatator and criminal being
removed from mistakes over WMD's. I can hardly sleep.

Who did he mass-murder? People incited to organize an overthrow of his
government and then left hanging by the US?


It's like saying "Isn't it a shame how that child-molesterer/rapist/axe
murderer escaped from jail and gained his freedom and was shortly
therafter struck and killed by a comet."

Nah- it's like saying "Isn't it a shame the mean intelligence of America
is so low."



Hey, if 100s of 1000s of people are no one to you, I will be praying for
you. Your answers are nonsense, no response necessary or plausible.

It is well known that western intelligence was deliberately inflating
that death toll to move world opinion against Hussein. You're too dumb
to know it, but your taxpayer dollars funded a good fraction of a
billion dollars doing that throughout the 90's. Don't bother praying for
me, dumbass- you are a sorry sack of shit and a dupe.

 

You might try
http://www.ScienceOxygen.com/aviation204.html

It does not provide the answer directly .
It is with a collection of links on this field for helicopter design.
You might as well just start from there...

 

[John Fields]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:39:40 GMT, Parse Tree
<account@domain.extension> wrote:

Christianity: 2 billion

Islam: 1.3 billion

Hinduism: 900 million

1.3 billion + 900 million > 2 billion

Christianity is therefore a minority.

---
Looking at it that way, they're _all_ minorities.
---\

Regardless, those things only measure what people profess, and not what
they actually believe in their minds. I'd wager that atheism is closer
to 5 billion.

---
Don't bet too much; check this out:

http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

--
John Fields

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Rolavine wrote:

The idiots have won, boy are we lucky! And the worst part is these asswipes
backslapping themselves and acting like they know what the hell they are doing.

Rocky

And how these morons even show their faces in public after all the times
they made asses out of themselves, I will never know. Well one person
who will not be showing his face in Germany is Rumsfeld- he fears a war
crimes prosecution because of a suit brought against him by torture
victims there, and has canceled a scheduled security summit trip to that
country.

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:46:49 GMT, Parse Tree
<account@domain.extension> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

---
Don't bet too much; check this out:

http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

6 billion people more than allows for 5 billion atheists.

---
Do you actually believe that 83% of the world is atheistic?

I don't. If it were, _I'd_ bet that it would be a lot quieter than it
is right now.

--
John Fields

 

[Noah Roberts]

Rhyanon wrote:

Creative, but still a balless killfile coward.

There are 36 techniques in Tae Kwon Do. Only the high degree masters
attain proficiency in the 36th technique because it is the hardest thing
for any person to do.

cya.

*plonk*

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

When you get time, a bit more info on your web site would be better.

You can see he's a chicken farmer, this explains his Himmler-like views,
pusillanimous.

 

[Aunty Kreist]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:50q5v059hb8hmmashugr63baou2f44ea79@4ax.com...

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:05:15 -0500, "Aunty Kreist"
Aunty_Kreist@satanickittens.net> wrote:


I hear ya! I bet these fools even right corney haikus when they can't
think
of responses!

---
One of 'em does!

--
John Fields

Zing! Heh.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:15:46 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:07:21 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:20:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


It's just that I relate more to Jews than to Christians ;-)

---
I feel the same tug.

I dated a Jew in high school. He mother did *not* approve. I ended up
marrying one of her friends.

My youngest son dated a Jew after college. Her mother, her father and
her grandparents, and all her family for that matter, very much
approved of this very moral, upstanding, ATHEIST young man.

They've been married for seven years and have a three year old
daughter (the SED group has seen her picture); she will be raised in
the Jewish faith.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[keith]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:17:34 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote:

Rhyanon wrote:
Creative, but still a balless killfile coward.

There are 36 techniques in Tae Kwon Do. Only the high degree masters
attain proficiency in the 36th technique because it is the hardest thing
for any person to do.

Only they have the money to pay each other to achieve this level. TKD is
a money-making business, nothing more.

cya.

--
Keith

 

[keith]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:36:45 +0000, Parse Tree wrote:

uvcceet@juno.com wrote:
In <1106343743.567899.251800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, on 01/21/05
at 01:42 PM, "DW" <DrWoodardOnDS@hotmail.com> said:


The term "liberal" gets thrown a lot.

I saw something a while back that I like to cite w
when someone slames liberals.


1. Thank a liberal when you go to the grocery store
and find that it is illegal for them to sell that
peice of meat that went rancid a month ago.
2. Thank a liberal when you go to the emergency room
and they treat your heartt attack right away. There was a time when an
ermergency room could decline treatment if you
couldn't afford it and they would throw you out in the street. So what if
you died.
3. If you're a woman thank a liberal that your
husband can't beat you. Believe it or not there was
a time when it was legal for a husband to beat his
wife in the US.

How do you figure that liberals get the credit for all that?

When 15.5% of your income is forcibly taken from you to fund a retirement
plan that will not be there when you retire, thank a liberal

When you realize that we are in debt for nearly seven trillion dollars,
and our children will never recover from that, thank a liberal.

Well, national defense is really just a handout for corporations that
could not compete in the marketplace.

When someone breaks into you home, steals everything you own, beats you
up, rapes your wife and daughter, and you don't have a gun to defend your
loved ones, thank a liberal.

You do know that a gun doesn't actually protect you from another gun, right?

When you read the paper and it is filled with whining about lost
elections, and disenfranchised voters, thank a liberal.

Actually, that's the fault of the neocons cheating and whatnot.

The whatnot is that you puke neolibs couldn't get even your fool "women"
to get out and vote for your stuck-up Martha's Vineyard dweeb. There was
no cheating. You couldn't get away with it (other than WA) this time.

When you notice a complete lack of civility in a newsgroup, thank a
liberal.

When you 15 year old daughter gets pregnant because the school gave
her boyfriend a defective condom, and she has an abortion without your
consent, thank a liberal.

That's certainly something to be extremely thankful for.

When you get chastised for calling someone an Indian, rather than a
Native America, even tho there is NO SUCH THING as a native american,
thank a liberal.

When your son's school district graduates him into the world, and he
cannot read or do math, thank a liberal.

When you want to send you child to a school where he can learn and
grow, but you cannot afford it because your money is stolen and given
to the public school system, thank a liberal.

I think it's somewhat of a mystery why the US education system is so bad
compared to most other countries.

When you want to enjoy the Christmas season, but find that its against
the law to speak about it, thank a liberal.

If only that were the case for all holidays.

When you retire, and cannot afford to keep your home because even tho
you own it, you have to pay taxes for the privilege of keeping it,
thank a liberal.

If liberal = government, then yes.

Neolib == *big* governmnet, yes. I do note that you didn't deny that
people must sell their homes to pay the taxes.

When you see money taken from your pocket, and given someone else,
thank a liberal.

When you are sitting with your young son or daughter watching a
sporting event, and you hear the "f" work, and see punks grabbing their
balls and whipping out their tits, thank a liberal.

I need to see more of that!

I suspected as much. You might try a hooker. It would likely be better
than wanking off in an electronics group.

When your President is too busy getting a blow job to talk to a world
leader in the phone, thank a liberal.

When you see millions of Mexicans pouring across the border and
defiling our country, thank a liberal.

When your President is more interested in sex than defending your
country from terrorists, thank a liberal.

I don't really want to think about George W. having sex. Gross!

Laura is rather an attractive woman, though I can understand why that
might turn you off.

When you find out that you cannot get a decent job because they are all
outsourced to another country, thank a liberal.

Actually, that's because of globalization. Capitalism at its finest. The
people who are unskilled cannot compete with the unskilled of another
nation.

So you admit that you need to find a skill?

When you spent the last years of your life handing out shopping carts
at Wal Mart, thank a liberal.

When terrorist again attack our country and kill thousands because they
consider us all bunch of pussies, thank a liberal.

Is that why they attack? Are you a terrorist?

Yes, because your pal Klinton has shown we're pussies. They didn't figure
out that there was a new guy on the blcok until too late.

Oh, and BTW, If you are lucky enough to be out and about, and you run
into a liberal, don't forget to back up, and run the bastard over
again.

Conservatives believe in God.

Liberals think they are God

Liberals and conservatives are both stupid. Identifying yourself with a
group of people so that some figurehead can speak for you is pretty
ridiculous unless you agree with absolutely everything they say and do.

It's stupid pretending that you're the only one who things as you do.
There are only so many "groups" and there is no law that you have to agree
with everythgin one particular "group" believes in. Even conservatives
are allowed to think for themselves. Neolibs apparently cannot think
through their hate though. Get used to losing!

--
Keith

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Brian wrote:

I've read "the bull" and of course, not being sick like you, I read both
sides and determined what is probable. Hence I am not single minded and sick
like you. However, please tell me how many people a monster must murder,
must gas, must torture and kill before you find it offensive.

Why don't you ask Bush , Rumsfeld, or Gonzalez that question...

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Brian wrote:

You are a tiny minority of the population, the extremely self-absorbed,
fanatical, lazy, hate-spewing, homo-loving, tree-hugging nutcase.

Why, thank you.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <pan.2005.01.22.17.21.43.197235@att.bizzzz>, keith wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:54:31 +0000, Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:40:53 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Aunty Kreist wrote:

I can't see the original post, but what the hell...

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:9g1uu0hq4ct1nhms5be4s4mf8e95ib7gq9@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:37:02 GMT, "Pip" <Aetyr@nc.rr.com> wrote:

Hunh. I don't care if he lives or dies. He is guilty. Then again
lots of guilty people go free, and then, lots of innocent people go
to the chair. The only way you can cure that is to abolish the
death penalty. I oppose the death penalty because of its varying
application from state to state and judge to judge.

---
If you oppose the death penalty it shouldn't be be because of the way
it's capriciously enforced by man, it should be because a life which
you didn't create shouldn't be yours to take.

Ahmmm. Someone who unjustifiable takes a life should have his life
taken, imo.

So, you _are_ God. "Revenge is mine, saith the lord".

Not revenge. Punishment. Don't do the crime if you can't take 10KV.

Or painful involuntary muscle spasms throughout much of your digestive
tract on a daily basis so long as the victim of such punishment has a
criminal conviction for a crime deserving this?

Did I say previously something along the lines of life in prison, with
lunch and dinner being pasta having tomato sauce by Dave's Gourmet...
As in "Insanity" hot sauce hotter than full-strength Habanero peppers!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Noah Roberts]

keith wrote:

The whatnot is that you puke neolibs couldn't get even your fool "women"
to get out and vote for your stuck-up Martha's Vineyard dweeb. There was
no cheating. You couldn't get away with it (other than WA) this time.

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2421595&nav=168XRvNe

Really the tactics used this time discust me and I don't see how any
halfway inteligent person can claim there was no cheating. There are
traitors who don't give a fuck about democracy running this country and
yes, they DID steal it this time just like last time.

 

[Parse Tree]

keith wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:47:48 +0000, Parse Tree wrote:


keith wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:24:05 +0000, Parse Tree wrote:



Clarence_A wrote:


"DW" <DrWoodardOnDS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106343743.567899.251800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...



The term "liberal" gets thrown a lot.

I saw something a while back that I like to cite w
when someone slames liberals.

1. Thank a liberal when you go to the grocery store
and find that it is illegal for them to sell that
peice of meat that went rancid a month ago.
2. Thank a liberal when you go to the emergency room
and they treat your heartt attack right away. There was a time
when an ermergency room could decline treatment if you
couldn't afford it and they would throw you out in the street.
So what if you died.
3. If you're a woman thank a liberal that your
husband can't beat you. Believe it or not there was
a time when it was legal for a husband to beat his
wife in the US.



Thank a liberal when you get your tax bill and you have to sell
the house to pay the tax. Then state and federal Income tax
reduces the net from the home sale to a level below what you would
need to put a down payment on a mobile home. And all the license
fees go up each year.

Bless a liberal, send them to hell!
They can party there without hurting anyone!

Taxes are really not very onerous at all. People in the US can be such
babies about them.


If they're not onerous, perhaps you want to pay mine?

How much do you pay? $80000 or so?


Nope, so it shouldn't be any problem for you to send me half that or so
(I'll suck up the rest myself). I'll be expecting the check by 4/15.

Yeah, your taxes aren't onerous at all. You just need to start making
more money.

 

[Parse Tree]

keith wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:24:15 +0000, Parse Tree wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:20:12 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:



On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:33:32 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:



On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:24:20 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

[snip]

From http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html


[snip]


Judaism: 14 million


[snip]

John, Do you ever do order-of-magnitude-rationale checks before you
post?

---
Reality checks? Sometimes I do, but not this time.

Yeah, it looked a little high to me too!^)

Got any "real" numbers?


Hell, I think I count 14 million Jews amongst my friends.

Seriously, between Florida and New York State, there's probably 14
million.

No, there are not that many. It only seems like there are a lot because
'jew-ness' is so often talked about in the media. And even then, they
are usually talking about 'ethnic jews' (which is a meaningless term)
rather than religious jews.

Bullshit. An "ethnic" jew is a person who's mother is a jew.

Yes, a clear misappropriation of the word 'ethnic' when it doesn't even
match the typical use of the term.

 

[Parse Tree]

Noah Roberts wrote:

keith wrote:

The whatnot is that you puke neolibs couldn't get even your fool "women"
to get out and vote for your stuck-up Martha's Vineyard dweeb. There was
no cheating. You couldn't get away with it (other than WA) this time.



http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2421595&nav=168XRvNe

Really the tactics used this time discust me and I don't see how any
halfway inteligent person can claim there was no cheating. There are
traitors who don't give a fuck about democracy running this country and
yes, they DID steal it this time just like last time.

No, I think it was far worse this time than it was last time.

The exit polling alone would have shown something as being amiss, but
all the other things together really makes for an overwhelming case.
Although the most incredible thing is that it's mostly ignored by the
conservative American media (aka all of the major networks and
newspapers in the US).