Driver to drive?

[ynotssor]

"James Knott" <james.knott@rogers.com> quoted in message
news:vK6dnTXBb7FKK2zcRVn-pA@rogers.com John S. Dyson saying:

It is true that some idiot called the non-DST Indiana timezone to be
'Gods time', but it is also true that alot of psuedo-intellectuals
couldn't explain the historical reason for the oddity.

Almost nobody, pseudo-intellectual or otherwise, can explain the historical
reason for such idiots.

Most just consider such idiots to be the cross that society has to bear.

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[Winfield Hill]

Rich The Philosophizer wrote...

Winfield Hill wrote:
John Larkin wrote...

The only use women have for engineers is to marry them.

Poppycock.

My wife relies on me for mechanical, cartographic and analytical
abilities. I rely on her for her creativity, intelligence, and
a remarkable discipline. And for an amazing ability to see what
I forgot, or need, and supply it. And most important, she helps
me to be a human, to love and to appreciate others. In turn, she
relies on my love for her, and for my watching out for her needs.
Speaking of which, I'm off. :&gt

Yikes! Hey, Win, are you God?

No, I think she must be God.


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

[keith]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:56:49 -0600, Aubrey McIntosh wrote:

Mike wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:07:02 GMT, Scott Stephens wrote:



Don't look to bad government for warning or help! It profits off your peril!


Get help.


vote.

Voting doesn't plug holes in one's tinfoil hat. You should understand
that by now.

--
Keith

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:05:27 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article <ps63v0156dogdgc3v7l3pabt3jfp8cio0e@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> writes:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:15:26 +0100, Rene Tschaggelar <none@none.net
wrote:

[snip]

Jim, you might not be included, but most of your fellow
citisens have debts as high as the roof of their house.
[snip]

Yes, I understand the credit card debt may be as high as $20K for some
folk.

Me, I have a mortgage, but pay my credit cards off each month. Mostly
I use debit cards, except for those transactions that require
credit... such as car rentals.

I don't even have a mortgage for the house that I own or a loan
for the car that I paid cash. I do have one small credit card (I hate
those things), and like you, typically use a debit card.

Even with almost no real debt, it is still painful to pay the various
utility bills -- because I only have about 80-90% of my paycheck left after
all of my normal bills . Well, my homeowners association did an
evil deed to me (well, all of us), so I have a temporary extra assessment
that I have to pay for another month, but even then I have about 75%
of my paycheck left after all bills.

Many/most of my co-workers (engineers) do live a low debt life, but
alot of others seem to live a higher debt life. I truly hate debt,
because in the past, with past debt, it seemed like I lost alot of
freedom. So, it seems like there is probably a bimodal distribution
of debt here in the US.

John

I think so.

It's said that 20% of the population has 90% of the wealth. That's
because 80% of the population has a negative net worth, more debt than
assets. I know people who are struggling to put their kids through
school and pay their rent, but have a $60,000 SUV.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On 21 Jan 2005 14:35:05 -0800, "JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote:

Bush is an uber-moron. All but the likeminded can see this.
Mark Jones

When Pat Buchanan and Newt Gingrich
say that Dubya is barking up the wrong tree,
something is definitely afoot.

Middle ground; so everybody hates him.

John

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Jim Douglas wrote:

Canada is not far from most places in the US, also Mexico is missing quite a
few folks, if these places don't suit you Europe is available for about
$299.00. Move somewhere for four years then come back and let us know what
you think!

Nah=- you've got that wrong. What's going to happen is we herd all you
Bush freaks into dumps like Wyoming and call it Jesusland- a new
independent country of delusional idiots.

 

[JeffM]

When Pat Buchanan and Newt Gingrich
say that Dubya is barking up the wrong tree,
something is definitely afoot.
JeffM

Middle ground; so everybody hates him.
John Larkin

Nope. On the issues on which they disagree with Dubya,
Buchanan and Gingrich are to the LEFT of Dubya.
Shocking.

 

[Kryten]

"Winfield Hill" <hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote in
message news:cssfgn01qh7@drn.newsguy.com...

Rich The Philosophizer wrote...
Yikes! Hey, Win, are you God?

No, I think she must be God.

God, no. Divine, certainly.

BTW Win, you should have said yes you are God and told him to stop ranting
about you/God on this NG.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:38:33 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

It's said that 20% of the population has 90% of the wealth. That's
because 80% of the population has a negative net worth, more debt than
assets. I know people who are struggling to put their kids through
school and pay their rent, but have a $60,000 SUV.

John

I cannot possibly believe that more than a tiny percentage of the
population of the US has a true negative net worth.

This page: http://www.benkepple.com/archives/000094.html

....claims that 15% have negative or zero net worth, but that still
seems too high.

Other than people who rent and spend all their money as they receive
it, the only time that typically happens is when there is a major
housing slump and young folks get caught with a $400,000 mortgage on a
house that is suddenly worth $350,000. But that's a once in a
generation thing.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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[Fred Bloggs]

John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:49:38 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:02:55 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:



Bush unfazed by UK protest plans
Bush unfazed by 'loving women' gaffe
Bush unfazed by criticism
Bush unfazed by falling car rental taxes, Orlando hotel closings
Bush unfazed as absence of WMDs confirmed
Bush unfazed by criticism, believes WMD search has just begun
Bush unfazed by death toll (this blunt title has been hidden by The
Herald Sun)
Bush unfazed as US toll in Iraq tops 1,000
Bush unfazed by spineless pundits, UN



Gosh Fred, you sure sound fazed.

Did you listen to, or even better read, his Inaugural address?

No- I cannot stand listening to that drawling brainless garbage for more
than a millisecond.



Really, you should read it. This guy is really in sync with history.

Not at all- the various analogies drawn by Bush have been trashed by
history scholars every time. As an example, the retard keeps calling up
the reconstruction of post WWII Europe as model for Iraq- this is not
even close, the most similar historical analogy is Napolean's occupation
of Spain and southern Italy the scholars say- actually the origin of the
very word guerilla arose from that Spanish resistance- both occupations
were failures.

OK, I understand that he has faith in the perfectibility of humankind,
and you don't. What I don't understand is why you, and so many other
people, absolutely hate him for it. It's like you *want* the world to
remain mired in hate and oppression, that you really enjoy it that
way. Do you?

We don't believe in throwing the whole world into chaos on the basis of
a mindless faith with no grounding in reality- this loop is open, no
feedback, and a failure. Bush is an un-American traitor to his country,
the invasion of Iraq was an egregious personal vendetta against Saddam
Hussein, and for this he will burn in hell for eternity. If you don't
believe that then you are a dupe.

"History has an ebb and flow of justice, but history also has a
visible direction, set by liberty and the Author of liberty."

Damn, that's a zinger.

Not really- from the various critiques, that particular line is
well-known evangelical speak.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

learner@juno.com wrote:

Thank a liberal when you get your tax bill and you have to sell
the house to pay the tax. Then state and federal Income tax
reduces the net from the home sale to a level below what you would
need to put a down payment on a mobile home. And all the license
fees go up each year.




Next time you go to the airport, get strip-searched in public, and a wand
up your butt, while half a dozen Muslims waltz onto the plane unmolested
because the FAA says only four muslims per flight can be checked, well,
thank a liberal.

Nah- you can thank the airline corporations who made such a farce of
their privatized security that 9/11 was made possible, forcing the
government to create the TSA. Every bit of this operation was conceived
by Bush political appointees.

 

[Richard Henry]

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:42t2v0llgtqfhpu9ejuc4co5dq6rp216qa@4ax.com...

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:16:29 +0100, Rene Tschaggelar <none@none.net
wrote:

Mark Jones wrote:

So what will the AmeriKan dollar be worth in 4 more years? Anyone?
And to think, some call that "progress." Yeah!

My guess : 40-60% of what it is now.
Well, at least it pays their debt nicely.
Or as the americans put it : it makes them again
credit worthy. Don't think twice - get that money
immediately.

Rene

What a stupid statement. EuroPeons won't be able to sell any goods.
What do you think that will do to Europe?

Force them to sell the BMWs to China?

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHIS
landPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote (in <g8m3v0pte0g8qrapj9p0f2rlcv7ogf73t8@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT: Sad Days for America and the World- Four More Years
of Hell', on Fri, 21 Jan 2005:

OK, I understand that he has faith in the perfectibility of humankind,

He's a Marxist????? (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Douglas O'Neal wrote:

Kevin Aylward wrote:
snip

This "there are no morals without thy lord" is just bullshit to
justify the religious agenda.


God fits into this formula of balance :what-you-do =
what-you-get-in-return.


And is perfectly explained by evolution.

http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/morals.html
http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/emotions.html
http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html




If I am reading the first link given, then a moral behavior is one
that maximizes the traits its possessor,

The basis of "morals" is a local maximisation process. However, "morals"
can exist with no objective purpose.

Note, I have *defined* a "moral". It is not necessarily the same as
conventionally understood as a moral, but it is closely related.

presumably by genetic
inhertance.

Morals are memes, not genes. Inheritance of morals is by social
processes.

.Thus a male's killing of other males and raping of
their wives would be moral since that maximizes that person's
number of offspring.

No it doesn't. There are *consequences* to this action that will result
in a net detriment. You have to weigh up the advantages with the
detriments.

For example, if we all kill each other when meet, at each meeting the
population will half. In a very short time the population will go to
zero. You cant just take one aspect and think that will override all
others.

Interesting that I don't know of any societies
that recognize this morality.

I *specifically* explained:

"This paper simply addresses what a moral, as defined above, is. There
are no statement or assumptions as to whether such morals identified are
right or wrong in any general human morality sense. This question is
probably better addressed by philosophy, rather than science."

Unfortunately, you have also just got a simple skim of the idea. One
needs to appreciate that one has to the actual numbers of *competing*
traits. To give you the feel of what actually needs to be done, have a
look at
http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/competitionmath/competitionmath.html

Don't jump the gun.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

 

[Kevin Aylward]

uvcceet@juno.com wrote:

People who need an imaginary person living in the
sky to tell them to behave need to be weeded out. They SHOULD kill
themselves off and leave the planet to those who are capbale of self
control.


If you people had ANY self control, we wouldn't need abortions now,
would we.

You can't even keep your dick in your pants, and you want to run the
world?

This "even" bit implying that such an event is the most easiest thing in
the universe to do. Its not. We have been evolutionary selected over
millions and millions of years to do just that. Replicate. Its
absolutely fundamental to our existence.

"What is mostly observed, is what replicates the most"

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

 

[me]

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
news:41F10B8B.9040609@nospam.com:

congrats. You are both a boob and a dork.

(see comment from peter Kokalis)

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich The Newsgropup Wacko
<wacko@example.com> wrote (in <pan.2005.01.22.08.24.56.920765@example.co
m&gt about 'Cambridge (UK) engineer seeking job and home in Cambridge',
on Sat, 22 Jan 2005:

Speaking of words that have no rhymes! 'crwth' _looks_ to me like it
would rhyme with "tooth" or "S'trewth". But 'cruth' looks like it would
have a short 'u', and I can't think of a single word in the version of
English that I use, that rhymes with it. Like, it rhymes with 'fuss'
with a lithp. ;-)

Well, this isn't a language group and I was just answering an aside. In
all the attempts at phonetic rendering, the u is long.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <41f19d44$3$woehfu$mr2ice@news.aros.net>, uvcceet@juno.com wrote:

In <1106343743.567899.251800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, on 01/21/05
at 01:42 PM, "DW" <DrWoodardOnDS@hotmail.com> said:

The term "liberal" gets thrown a lot.
I saw something a while back that I like to cite w
when someone slames liberals.

1. Thank a liberal when you go to the grocery store
and find that it is illegal for them to sell that
peice of meat that went rancid a month ago.
2. Thank a liberal when you go to the emergency room
and they treat your heartt attack right away. There was a time when an
ermergency room could decline treatment if you
couldn't afford it and they would throw you out in the street. So what if
you died.
3. If you're a woman thank a liberal that your
husband can't beat you. Believe it or not there was
a time when it was legal for a husband to beat his
wife in the US.

How do you figure that liberals get the credit for all that?

When 15.5% of your income is forcibly taken from you to fund a retirement
plan that will not be there when you retire, thank a liberal

More like 70-whatever % of the way be there, less if conservatives do to
that plan what they want to!

When you realize that we are in debt for nearly seven trillion dollars,
and our children will never recover from that, thank a liberal.

Please look up national debt changes during the administrations of
Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton!

When someone breaks into you home, steals everything you own, beats you
up, rapes your wife and daughter, and you don't have a gun to defend your
loved ones, thank a liberal.

How much more prevalent a problem is that in those of the industrialed
nations where only outlaws have guns?

When you read the paper and it is filled with whining about lost
elections, and disenfranchised voters, thank a liberal.

I also saw in the supposedly leftist papers bigtime complaints about the
losing side being some sort of bigtime whiners!

When you notice a complete lack of civility in a newsgroup, thank a
liberal.

Was it a liberal that claimed that Kerry did not successfully introduce
nor sponsor any legislation at all, and tell me to stay focused while
making posts while I was in the process of proving him wrong?

When you 15 year old daughter gets pregnant because the school gave her
boyfriend a defective condom, and she has an abortion without your
consent, thank a liberal.

Who do you thank whwn your 16 year old daughter gets pregnant or
contracts an STD after not using condoms after being told they are
ineffective?

When you get chastised for calling someone an Indian, rather than a Native
America, even tho there is NO SUCH THING as a native american, thank a
liberal.

I surely get chastized much more for calling someone a Native American
than for calling that person an Indian!

When your son's school district graduates him into the world, and he
cannot read or do math, thank a liberal.

More likely his parents who do not make him stay in schiool, listen to
teachers, do his homework...

When you want to send you child to a school where he can learn and grow,
but you cannot afford it because your money is stolen and given to the
public school system, thank a liberal.

And who do I thank for detracting from the public school system whose
worst flaw in the localities where public schools fail are the students
whose parents do not make them behave, do not make them do homework, etc?

When you want to enjoy the Christmas season, but find that its against the
law to speak about it, thank a liberal.

Since I have yet to run into a law against speaking about Christmas, I
say do not blame liberals for a problem that does not exist!

When you retire, and cannot afford to keep your home because even tho you
own it, you have to pay taxes for the privilege of keeping it, thank a
liberal.

When you see money taken from your pocket, and given someone else, thank
a liberal.

Who (among liberals and conservatives) are favoring the current
expenditures to the extent and magnitude they occur?

And who proposes as an alternative to taxation borrowing that will
require the taxpayers to pay the loans plus interest? Reagan claimed that
liberals were the ones bad for this but did worse still (consider the
budget proposals he submitted to Congress, no less in balance than what
Congress enacted), and ever since then Republicans were more favorable to
deficit spending than Democrats?

When you are sitting with your young son or daughter watching a sporting
event, and you hear the "f" work, and see punks grabbing their balls and
whipping out their tits, thank a liberal.

I see this happen no less, probably more in conservative neighborhoods
and among conservative crowds than in liberal neighborhoods and among
liberal crowds!

When your President is too busy getting a blow job to talk to a world
leader in the phone, thank a liberal.

Was Clinton off duty more hours of his administration for getting a blow
job than Reagan was taking a nap?

When you see millions of Mexicans pouring across the border and defiling
our country, thank a liberal.

Happened enough when Republicans were in charge!

When your President is more interested in sex than defending your country
from terrorists, thank a liberal.

How many minutes per administration can anyone prove for each President?

When you find out that you cannot get a decent job because they are all
outsourced to another country, thank a liberal.

I thought Bush II got the most blame for that...

When you spent the last years of your life handing out shopping carts at
Wal Mart, thank a liberal.

When terrorist again attack our country and kill thousands because they
consider us all bunch of pussies, thank a liberal.

How about the party in power for the several years prior?

Oh, and BTW, If you are lucky enough to be out and about, and you run into
a liberal, don't forget to back up, and run the bastard over again.

Conservatives believe in God.

Liberals think they are God

I find conservatives as badly as liberals believing that God favors them
and their ways over others and the ways of others...

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <41f1d91a$1$woehfu$mr2ice@news.aros.net>, learner@juno.com wrote:

Next time you go to the airport, get strip-searched in public, and a wand
up your butt, while half a dozen Muslims waltz onto the plane unmolested
because the FAA says only four muslims per flight can be checked, well,
thank a liberal.

And that's four Muslims (and four of any other demographic group) limit
per flight with exception for probable cause!

If one of the four Muslims had a knife, bomb, bomb parts, suspiciously
detailed drawings of the aircraft, that's probable cause - get to detain
another Muslim! Plus all others with findable association with the one
who turned up reasonable probable cause!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Barry Lennox]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:38:49 -0500, Douglas O'Neal
<oneal@dbi.udel.edu> wrote:

Aunty Kreist wrote:

Since Christianity is actually a minority, compared to other world
religions, the buy-bull can't be considered any sort of authority; it does
not apply to the majority of the humans in this world.


So can you name any "authority" that is recognized by over 50% of the
world's population or are you proposing that there does not exist any
authority?

Sure, it's called "legislation" works in just about every country I
know of. And then there's good science, covers basic stuff like
gravity, Ohms law, etc, etc, and much more, again it seems to be
authoritative in every country I know of.

Also, does one need to acknowledge an authority before that authority
actually exists? In other words, if I refuse to recognize the IRS (in
the US) just like you refuse to recognize the Bible, does that take away
the authority of the IRS?

Sure, it works like that, please do refuse to recognise the IRS and
their authority over you simply vanishes, honest. Try it for yourself.
It will be just the same as me refusing to accept the "buy-bull" or
similar texts, the idol-worshippers authority just pales away.

Barry Lennox