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* False; the higher the purity of water, the more corrosive it is. Do aOn Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:05:50 PM UTC-5, Robert Baer wrote:
Greegor wrote:> It looks like a setup for "mission creep" gone insane?> > Won't the Substances of Very High Concern list> grow endlessly?> > Absolutely! That is the function of governments. They should "top off" the list by adding water, since it dissolves everything and the more pure it is, the more corrosive it is. With water on the list, nothing physical could be sold or transported. Solves a lot of problems...
Not exactly. Salt water is more corrosive than pure dihydrogen monoxide. then technically in a vehicle that uses pure glycol as coolant, most petroleum distillates could still be transported. Polypropylene glycol I think has higher thermal conductivity than ethylene glycol so it is more suitable as engine coolan without the addition of dihydrogen monoxide.
The MSDS on dihydrogen monoxide is available on the internet and s quite lengthy concerning its dangers, and is not exhaustive, obviously.
Registration, Evaluation, Authorisation and Restriction of Chemicals
(REACH) is a European Union Regulation of 18 December 2006.
The European Chemicals Agency has set three major deadlines for
registration of chemicals. In general these are determined by tonnage
manufactured or imported, with 1000 tonnes/a. being required to be
registered by 1 December 2010, 100 tonnes/a. by 1 June 2013 and 1
tonne/a. by 1 June 2018. In addition, chemicals of higher concern or
toxicity also have to meet the 2010 deadline.
REACH also addresses the continued use of chemical substances of very
high concern (SVHC) because of their potential negative impacts on human
health or the environment.
A substance may be proposed as an SVHC if it meets one or more of the
following criteria:
it is carcinogenic;
it is mutagenic;
it is toxic for reproduction;
it is persistent, bioaccumulative and toxic according to the
criteria set out in Annex XIII to the REACH Regulation (PBT substances);
it is very persistent and very bioaccumulative according to the
criteria set out in Annex XIII to the REACH Regulation (vPvB substances);
There is "scientific evidence of probable serious effects to human
health or the environment which give rise to an equivalent level of
concern"; such substances are identified on a case-by-case basis.
Not quite true...if you sell anything (at least in electronicsDen tirsdag den 28. januar 2014 22.05.50 UTC+1 skrev Robert Baer:
Greegor wrote:
It looks like a setup for "mission creep" gone insane?
Won't the Substances of Very High Concern list
grow endlessly?
Absolutely! That is the function of governments.
They should "top off" the list by adding water, since it dissolves
everything and the more pure it is, the more corrosive it is.
With water on the list, nothing physical could be sold or transported.
Solves a lot of problems...
I don't see anything about selling or transporting, only registering.
Doesn't sound so crazy that if you play around with a 100 ton of dangerous
chemical you need to register it, it case there is a mishap or you
"accidently" lose it down the drain
-Lasse
The reg starts (i think) at 100 tonnes per year, then steps to 10Who was talking about 100 tons of any chemical?
Did you read the other thread about tracking
tantalum capacitors etc.?
Try track about 0.00065 lb of tin per PCB and sales under 1000 per year.Tracking truckloads of chemicals
is quite different from tracking
every bit of tantalum made into
capacitors and used in an
electronic product.
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:50:17 -0500, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:05:50 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
Greegor wrote:
It looks like a setup for "mission creep" gone insane?
Won't the Substances of Very High Concern list
grow endlessly?
Absolutely! That is the function of governments.
They should "top off" the list by adding water, since it dissolves
everything and the more pure it is, the more corrosive it is.
With water on the list, nothing physical could be sold or transported.
Solves a lot of problems...
Nah, it just has to be taxed heavily to pay for the impact on the
environment.
Water vapor is by far the most active greenhouse gas. And liquid water
absorbs enormous amounts of solar radiation, converting most of it to
heat!
Something needs to be done.
I suggest, deploying into the lakes and oceans, trillions of rubber
duckies, which would reflect sunlight back up into space and save the
planet.
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:54:43 -0800 (PST), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:05:50 PM UTC-5, Robert Baer wrote:
Greegor wrote: > It looks like a setup for "mission creep" gone insane? > > Won't the Substances of Very High Concern list > grow endlessly? > > Absolutely! That is the function of governments. They should "top off" the list by adding water, since it dissolves everything and the more pure it is, the more corrosive it is. With water on the list, nothing physical could be sold or transported. Solves a lot of problems...
Not exactly. Salt water is more corrosive than pure dihydrogen monoxide. then technically in a vehicle that uses pure glycol as coolant, most petroleum distillates could still be transported. Polypropylene glycol I think has higher thermal conductivity than ethylene glycol so it is more suitable as engine coolan without the addition of dihydrogen monoxide.
The MSDS on dihydrogen monoxide is available on the internet and s quite lengthy concerning its dangers, and is not exhaustive, obviously.
Longterm consumption of H2O is often fatal.
On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:05:50 PM UTC-5, Robert Baer wrote:
Greegor wrote: > It looks like a setup for "mission creep" gone insane? > > Won't the Substances of Very High Concern list > grow endlessly? > > Absolutely! That is the function of governments. They should "top off" the list by adding water, since it dissolves everything and the more pure it is, the more corrosive it is. With water on the list, nothing physical could be sold or transported. Solves a lot of problems...
Not exactly. Salt water is more corrosive than pure dihydrogen monoxide. then technically in a vehicle that uses pure glycol as coolant, most petroleum distillates could still be transported. Polypropylene glycol I think has higher thermal conductivity than ethylene glycol so it is more suitable as engine coolan without the addition of dihydrogen monoxide.
The MSDS on dihydrogen monoxide is available on the internet and s quite lengthy concerning its dangers, and is not exhaustive, obviously.
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:54:43 -0800 (PST), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:05:50 PM UTC-5, Robert Baer wrote:
Greegor wrote: > It looks like a setup for "mission creep" gone insane? > > Won't the Substances of Very High Concern list > grow endlessly? > > Absolutely! That is the function of governments. They should "top off" the list by adding water, since it dissolves everything and the more pure it is, the more corrosive it is. With water on the list, nothing physical could be sold or transported. Solves a lot of problems...
Not exactly. Salt water is more corrosive than pure dihydrogen monoxide. then technically in a vehicle that uses pure glycol as coolant, most petroleum distillates could still be transported. Polypropylene glycol I think has higher thermal conductivity than ethylene glycol so it is more suitable as engine coolan without the addition of dihydrogen monoxide.
The MSDS on dihydrogen monoxide is available on the internet and s quite lengthy concerning its dangers, and is not exhaustive, obviously.
There is a long list of plastics that salt water does not dissolve that
ultrapure water does. Teflon is in that list, as are perhaps all silicone
materials.
?-)
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:00:07 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:50:17 -0500, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:05:50 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
Greegor wrote:
It looks like a setup for "mission creep" gone insane?
Won't the Substances of Very High Concern list
grow endlessly?
Absolutely! That is the function of governments.
They should "top off" the list by adding water, since it dissolves
everything and the more pure it is, the more corrosive it is.
With water on the list, nothing physical could be sold or transported.
Solves a lot of problems...
Nah, it just has to be taxed heavily to pay for the impact on the
environment.
Water vapor is by far the most active greenhouse gas. And liquid water
absorbs enormous amounts of solar radiation, converting most of it to
heat!
Something needs to be done.
I suggest, deploying into the lakes and oceans, trillions of rubber
duckies, which would reflect sunlight back up into space and save the
planet.
Hot damn, that is more sensible, more affordable and more effective than
all the crazy things promoted by the AGW crowd. Wonderful.
?-)
On 01/31/2014 12:42 AM, josephkk wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:54:43 -0800 (PST), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:05:50 PM UTC-5, Robert Baer wrote:
Greegor wrote: > It looks like a setup for "mission creep" gone insane? > > Won't the Substances of Very High Concern list > grow endlessly? > > Absolutely! That is the function of governments. They should "top off" the list by adding water, since it dissolves everything and the more pure it is, the more corrosive it is. With water on the list, nothing physical could be sold or transported. Solves a lot of problems...
Not exactly. Salt water is more corrosive than pure dihydrogen monoxide. then technically in a vehicle that uses pure glycol as coolant, most petroleum distillates could still be transported. Polypropylene glycol I think has higher thermal conductivity than ethylene glycol so it is more suitable as engine coolan without the addition of dihydrogen monoxide.
The MSDS on dihydrogen monoxide is available on the internet and s quite lengthy concerning its dangers, and is not exhaustive, obviously.
There is a long list of plastics that salt water does not dissolve that
ultrapure water does. Teflon is in that list, as are perhaps all silicone
materials.
?-)
My semiconductor fab friends would be very surprised to hear that all
their teflon-tube 18 megohm water plumbing is dissolving.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:45:30 -0800, josephkk
joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I suggest, deploying into the lakes and oceans, trillions of rubber
duckies, which would reflect sunlight back up into space and save the
planet.
Hot damn, that is more sensible, more affordable and more effective than
all the crazy things promoted by the AGW crowd. Wonderful.
Put solar cells on them and beam the energy around; use the wonderful
MIT wireless energy inventions.
Duck Dynamo.
"John Larkin" <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:quqne9dqmc4g64auf1tu4fl9u26hscuqvn@4ax.com...
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:45:30 -0800, josephkk
joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I suggest, deploying into the lakes and oceans, trillions of rubber
duckies, which would reflect sunlight back up into space and save the
planet.
Hot damn, that is more sensible, more affordable and more effective than
all the crazy things promoted by the AGW crowd. Wonderful.
Put solar cells on them and beam the energy around; use the wonderful
MIT wireless energy inventions.
Duck Dynamo.
To save the planet the energy must be reflect back up into space.
Your belived solar cells gain the energr.
The only solution is increasing number of clouds. Clouds work like the
ducks.
The only way to increasing number of clouds are fly ash and SO2.
It was in proved before 1970.
But there are the chance for your cells.
If is Global Cooling we use the cells.
If is Global Warming we use the bio-coal.
Do you agree?
S*
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:45:30 -0800, josephkk
joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I suggest, deploying into the lakes and oceans, trillions of rubber
duckies, which would reflect sunlight back up into space and save the
planet.
To save the planet the energy must be reflect back up into space.
If is Global Cooling we use the cells.
If is Global Warming we use the bio-coal.
Do you agree?
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? 2004?5?2????UTC+8??1?58?05??Terry???
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uses 6- 1.5 volt AA battries for a total of 9VDC power source. When the
battries are installed it is in sensing 24 hours a day. I use this on a
const. site and want it to be off during the day and back on at nite, but
have it done electronically with a selfcontained system. I don,t wand to
hookup a 120v timer to a 9 vdc converter to switch it. Need a self
contained, or self powered 9 volt timer that could be set for any time I
want, to switch every day and save battries.Mabey even be powered by the
battrie power pack of the murs transmiter. Is there any kind of timer relay
out there that would work for this?
Thanks
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? 2004?5?2????UTC+8??1?58?05??Terry???
I am looking for a 24 hour event timer that can switch off and on a battry
operated PIR MURS radio transmiter alarm (Dakota Alert). The pir transmiter
uses 6- 1.5 volt AA battries for a total of 9VDC power source. When the
battries are installed it is in sensing 24 hours a day. I use this on a
const. site and want it to be off during the day and back on at nite, but
have it done electronically with a selfcontained system. I don,t wand to
hookup a 120v timer to a 9 vdc converter to switch it. Need a self
contained, or self powered 9 volt timer that could be set for any time I
want, to switch every day and save battries.Mabey even be powered by the
battrie power pack of the murs transmiter. Is there any kind of timer relay
out there that would work for this?
Thanks
Terry
We are searching for products agent and dealer.
Thants true that we have our own factory. Also,
We have the ability of written software and die sinking of developing new products.
We will offer you the best products and service.24h Timer,Timer Relay,Digital Timer,
Counter,Floatless Relay,Sockets,proximity switch,photoelectric switch,solid state relay,
Switch power supply,Rev.preventing relay
Hope it will bring you good profit.
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You're replying to a 10 year old message:
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in order to SPAM the group with your crap.
Pretty stupid move, since most everybody here hates SPAM and some
look forward to the demise - natural or otherwise - of SPAMmers.
John Fields
El Presidente
Austin Instruments, Inc.
On 2/8/2014 4:12 AM, John Fields wrote:
On Fri, 7 Feb 2014 23:19:25 -0800 (PST), anyelec@gmail.com wrote:
? 2004?5?2????UTC+8??1?58?05??Terry???
I am looking for a 24 hour event timer that can switch off and on a battry
operated PIR MURS radio transmiter alarm (Dakota Alert). The pir transmiter
uses 6- 1.5 volt AA battries for a total of 9VDC power source. When the
battries are installed it is in sensing 24 hours a day. I use this on a
const. site and want it to be off during the day and back on at nite, but
have it done electronically with a selfcontained system. I don,t wand to
hookup a 120v timer to a 9 vdc converter to switch it. Need a self
contained, or self powered 9 volt timer that could be set for any time I
want, to switch every day and save battries.Mabey even be powered by the
battrie power pack of the murs transmiter. Is there any kind of timer relay
out there that would work for this?
Thanks
Terry
We are searching for products agent and dealer.
Thants true that we have our own factory. Also,
We have the ability of written software and die sinking of developing new products.
We will offer you the best products and service.24h Timer,Timer Relay,Digital Timer,
Counter,Floatless Relay,Sockets,proximity switch,photoelectric switch,solid state relay,
Switch power supply,Rev.preventing relay
Hope it will bring you good profit.
[snip]
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You're replying to a 10 year old message:
Yes, it did. Do you honestly believe that this spammer will read your
reply and care?
QUOTE
[snip]
END QUOTE
in order to SPAM the group with your crap.
Pretty stupid move, since most everybody here hates SPAM and some
look forward to the demise - natural or otherwise - of SPAMmers.
I imagine that most who post to s.e.d can identify spammers and know how
to use kill files or filters, and simply ignore the spammer. Apparently,
you don't.
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:06:07 -0800, RosemontCrest
rosemontcrest.deletethis@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 2/8/2014 4:12 AM, John Fields wrote:
On Fri, 7 Feb 2014 23:19:25 -0800 (PST), anyelec@gmail.com wrote:
? 2004?5?2????UTC+8??1?58?05??Terry???
I am looking for a 24 hour event timer that can switch off and on a battry
operated PIR MURS radio transmiter alarm (Dakota Alert). The pir transmiter
uses 6- 1.5 volt AA battries for a total of 9VDC power source. When the
battries are installed it is in sensing 24 hours a day. I use this on a
const. site and want it to be off during the day and back on at nite, but
have it done electronically with a selfcontained system. I don,t wand to
hookup a 120v timer to a 9 vdc converter to switch it. Need a self
contained, or self powered 9 volt timer that could be set for any time I
want, to switch every day and save battries.Mabey even be powered by the
battrie power pack of the murs transmiter. Is there any kind of timer relay
out there that would work for this?
Thanks
Terry
We are searching for products agent and dealer.
Thantâs true that we have our own factory. Also,
We have the ability of written software and die sinking of developing new products.
We will offer you the best products and service.24h Timer,Timer Relay,Digital Timer,
Counter,Floatless Relay,Sockets,proximity switch,photoelectric switch,solid state relay,
Switch power supply,Rev.preventing relay
Hope it will bring you good profit.
[snip]
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You're replying to a 10 year old message:
Yes, it did. Do you honestly believe that this spammer will read your
reply and care?
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Dunno, don't care.
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Why did you include the *entire* message from the spammer?
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Because it suited me?
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