Driver to drive?

On Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:18:24 AM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Robert Baer wrote:

"Porter is dead right, unfortunately, on not giving any information to

the police without talking to counsel first. Having been a cop in one

of the highest crime districts in the US, and then moving on to

'policing the police' as an Internal Affairs detective, I've seen

ubiquitous abuse of power which continue to escalate.



Look at the incredible behavior of NASA seizing moon rock samples that

astronauts gave as gifts. They get an old lady with a rock to come forward

and then swarm her in riot gear.

Did Romney plant it on her ? ?

They all swear to defend the Constitution

but don't understand what that means.





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[Michael Robinson]

"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:fqDOt.53157$Hb3.24992@fx05.iad...

"Porter is dead right, unfortunately, on not giving any information to the
police without talking to counsel first. Having been a cop in one of the
highest crime districts in the US, and then moving on to 'policing the
police' as an Internal Affairs detective, I've seen ubiquitous abuse of
power which continue to escalate. As a crime analyst, I have seen how
stats of teenage gang shootings are lumped in with shootings of children
to 'juice the numbers' for supporters of gun control. I could go on, but
you get the idea.

"The majority of the police are good people just trying to make a living
(this does vary dramatically by city) but the days of 'officer discretion'
are gone. The policies of the top brass, which are no longer insulated
from politics, drive the behavior of the cops on the street and drive
politically motivated arrest agendas.

"Searches and seizures, for instance, have become big money machines used
to subsidize budgets for all major police departments. That explains why
we are still fighting a 'War on Drugs' that for over 40 years has been a
complete failure. There is no intent to win, only seize assets so they can
buy the latest crime toys. We can't even stop drugs and guns from getting
into our prisons, let alone on our streets. Yes, I am for legalization but
that is for another discussion.

"Another example of this politically driven agenda is the portrayal of
police 'brass' always standing behind the President when he is touting gun
control. Many of these 'Chiefs' have budgets that are affected by getting
federal funds, or not. Best to play along and show your support for gun
control and of course make sure the cops on the street are seizing as many
guns as possible even if it is not a constitutionally valid seizure. Most
street cops are not for gun control for law abiding citizens as they know
it is a true deterrent to crime.

"Yes, the days of telling your children that the police are your friends
are long gone thanks to the increasing influence of politics in policing.
'Anything you say can and will be used against you!' is all you need to
remember." – Paid-up subscriber John P.

This is pretty good, and I'd like to see more.
Can you provide a link please?

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:56:30 -0400, "Michael Robinson"
<kellrobinson@yahoo.com.no_spam> wrote:

"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:fqDOt.53157$Hb3.24992@fx05.iad...

"Porter is dead right, unfortunately, on not giving any information to the
police without talking to counsel first. Having been a cop in one of the
highest crime districts in the US, and then moving on to 'policing the
police' as an Internal Affairs detective, I've seen ubiquitous abuse of
power which continue to escalate. As a crime analyst, I have seen how
stats of teenage gang shootings are lumped in with shootings of children
to 'juice the numbers' for supporters of gun control. I could go on, but
you get the idea.

"The majority of the police are good people just trying to make a living
(this does vary dramatically by city) but the days of 'officer discretion'
are gone. The policies of the top brass, which are no longer insulated
from politics, drive the behavior of the cops on the street and drive
politically motivated arrest agendas.

"Searches and seizures, for instance, have become big money machines used
to subsidize budgets for all major police departments. That explains why
we are still fighting a 'War on Drugs' that for over 40 years has been a
complete failure. There is no intent to win, only seize assets so they can
buy the latest crime toys. We can't even stop drugs and guns from getting
into our prisons, let alone on our streets. Yes, I am for legalization but
that is for another discussion.

"Another example of this politically driven agenda is the portrayal of
police 'brass' always standing behind the President when he is touting gun
control. Many of these 'Chiefs' have budgets that are affected by getting
federal funds, or not. Best to play along and show your support for gun
control and of course make sure the cops on the street are seizing as many
guns as possible even if it is not a constitutionally valid seizure. Most
street cops are not for gun control for law abiding citizens as they know
it is a true deterrent to crime.

"Yes, the days of telling your children that the police are your friends
are long gone thanks to the increasing influence of politics in policing.
'Anything you say can and will be used against you!' is all you need to
remember." – Paid-up subscriber John P.

This is pretty good, and I'd like to see more.
Can you provide a link please?

Only "pretty good" if you are unfortunate enough to be confined to a
big "progressive" city.

...Jim Thompson
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[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:07:19 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, August 17, 2013 4:01:18 PM UTC-4, Jim Thompson wrote:

The moon rocks are mostly being stolen by politicians, even Bill Clinton tried to grab one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_and_missing_moon_rocks#Recovered_gifted_rocks

Huh?

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[mpm]

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:53:45 PM UTC-4, Robert Baer wrote:

> What to say when a cop pulls you over…

In the FWIW column, my dive partner was once an officer on the Tampa police force. He rarely wrote traffic tickets, but when he did, he claimed the recipient truly deserved one.

He said that if someone truthfully answered the question "Do you know why I pulled you over?" that 9 times out of 10 he would issue a warning rather than a citation. His feeling was that those who could not answer the question needed a wake-up call to their driving habits.

Now that is not to say you should offer "Sure officer, I was doing 120 mph in a school zone". Hard to justify letting you off the hook with that one...., and like Robert says, here comes the rabbit hole.

But if you're just 8 or 9 over, or you just executed a perfect rolling-stop at a stop sign, I suppose the approach could still work in your favor. (?)

However, in dash-cam situations, maybe the officer has no choice but to issue a ticket (rather than a warning).

 

[hamilton]

On 8/18/2013 12:37 PM, mpm wrote:

However, in dash-cam situations, maybe the officer has no choice but to issue a ticket (rather than a warning).

Is it also true, traffic officers get a bonus for the amount of revenue
they can generate every month ??

Number of tickets are no longer the goal, the amount of fines collected
is the new benchmark.
( safety vs revenue )

When ever I do get stopped (its been years) I never have an insurance
card handy.

What ever I may have done is secondary to the amount collected for not
having insurance.

I can latter fax over my insurance card and the whole thing is dropped.

My $0.02

 

[Don Y]

Hi Hamilton,

On 8/18/2013 11:50 AM, hamilton wrote:

Is it also true, traffic officers get a bonus for the amount of revenue
they can generate every month ??

Number of tickets are no longer the goal, the amount of fines collected
is the new benchmark. ( safety vs revenue )

When ever I do get stopped (its been years) I never have an insurance
card handy.

What ever I may have done is secondary to the amount collected for not
having insurance.

I can latter fax over my insurance card and the whole thing is dropped.

Here (as I suspect is true in other municipalities), the trend is
for more "photo enforcement": running red lights, speeding, etc.

"Like having an officer on duty 24/7/365"! (who splits his "take"
with some private company :> )

Interesting to hear the arguments on both sides -- for and ag'in'
the technology!

Hard *not* to see it as a revenue grab when you notice how much
*shorter* the yellows are at these intersections!

Also, amusing to watch people flagrantly speeding as they
*approach* these "fixed installations" -- then, drop down *to*
the speed limit as they cruise through... only to speed back
up after passing it! Hard to see how there can be a "safety"
issue in those cases (unless the goal was just to control the
speed of vehicles in *that* 100 yard segment of roadway! :> )

OTOH, fatalities *appear* to be down... <shrug>

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:58:38 -0700, the renowned Don Y
<this@isnotme.com> wrote:

Hi Hamilton,

On 8/18/2013 11:50 AM, hamilton wrote:

Is it also true, traffic officers get a bonus for the amount of revenue
they can generate every month ??

Number of tickets are no longer the goal, the amount of fines collected
is the new benchmark. ( safety vs revenue )

When ever I do get stopped (its been years) I never have an insurance
card handy.

What ever I may have done is secondary to the amount collected for not
having insurance.

I can latter fax over my insurance card and the whole thing is dropped.

Here (as I suspect is true in other municipalities), the trend is
for more "photo enforcement": running red lights, speeding, etc.

"Like having an officer on duty 24/7/365"! (who splits his "take"
with some private company :> )

Interesting to hear the arguments on both sides -- for and ag'in'
the technology!

Hard *not* to see it as a revenue grab when you notice how much
*shorter* the yellows are at these intersections!

Also, amusing to watch people flagrantly speeding as they
*approach* these "fixed installations" -- then, drop down *to*
the speed limit as they cruise through... only to speed back
up after passing it! Hard to see how there can be a "safety"
issue in those cases (unless the goal was just to control the
speed of vehicles in *that* 100 yard segment of roadway! :> )

OTOH, fatalities *appear* to be down... <shrug

$4/gallon gas has an effect too.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:34:25 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:58:38 -0700, the renowned Don Y
this@isnotme.com> wrote:

Hi Hamilton,

On 8/18/2013 11:50 AM, hamilton wrote:

Is it also true, traffic officers get a bonus for the amount of revenue
they can generate every month ??

Number of tickets are no longer the goal, the amount of fines collected
is the new benchmark. ( safety vs revenue )

When ever I do get stopped (its been years) I never have an insurance
card handy.

What ever I may have done is secondary to the amount collected for not
having insurance.

I can latter fax over my insurance card and the whole thing is dropped.

Here (as I suspect is true in other municipalities), the trend is
for more "photo enforcement": running red lights, speeding, etc.

"Like having an officer on duty 24/7/365"! (who splits his "take"
with some private company :> )

Interesting to hear the arguments on both sides -- for and ag'in'
the technology!

Hard *not* to see it as a revenue grab when you notice how much
*shorter* the yellows are at these intersections!

Also, amusing to watch people flagrantly speeding as they
*approach* these "fixed installations" -- then, drop down *to*
the speed limit as they cruise through... only to speed back
up after passing it! Hard to see how there can be a "safety"
issue in those cases (unless the goal was just to control the
speed of vehicles in *that* 100 yard segment of roadway! :> )

OTOH, fatalities *appear* to be down... <shrug

$4/gallon gas has an effect too.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Here in AZ, average speeds are up... one morning last month I'm
checking the 60 freeway on the web... average speed (rush hour ;-)...
82!

Last month (July), with thespian granddaughter Allison attending
Valley Youth Theater "Summer Camp" in downtown Phoenix, 90 miles round
trip, I ran up 4000 miles at a near average speed of 80... benefited
by the HOV lane ;-)

And Infiniti has pissed me off... I see an ad for a new Infiniti
Q50s... in Infiniti numbering schemes that should be a 5-liter
engine... nope it's a 3.7-liter 6-cylinder weenie car :-(

Time to check out Caddies, Beamers and Mercedes... maybe even that new
beasty Hyundai Equus 429 HP 5.0-liter V-8... I just love dusting
Mustangs at traffic lights >:-}

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:46:44 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:34:25 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:58:38 -0700, the renowned Don Y
this@isnotme.com> wrote:

Hi Hamilton,

On 8/18/2013 11:50 AM, hamilton wrote:

Is it also true, traffic officers get a bonus for the amount of revenue
they can generate every month ??

Number of tickets are no longer the goal, the amount of fines collected
is the new benchmark. ( safety vs revenue )

When ever I do get stopped (its been years) I never have an insurance
card handy.

What ever I may have done is secondary to the amount collected for not
having insurance.

I can latter fax over my insurance card and the whole thing is dropped.

Here (as I suspect is true in other municipalities), the trend is
for more "photo enforcement": running red lights, speeding, etc.

"Like having an officer on duty 24/7/365"! (who splits his "take"
with some private company :> )

Interesting to hear the arguments on both sides -- for and ag'in'
the technology!

Hard *not* to see it as a revenue grab when you notice how much
*shorter* the yellows are at these intersections!

Also, amusing to watch people flagrantly speeding as they
*approach* these "fixed installations" -- then, drop down *to*
the speed limit as they cruise through... only to speed back
up after passing it! Hard to see how there can be a "safety"
issue in those cases (unless the goal was just to control the
speed of vehicles in *that* 100 yard segment of roadway! :> )

OTOH, fatalities *appear* to be down... <shrug

$4/gallon gas has an effect too.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Here in AZ, average speeds are up... one morning last month I'm
checking the 60 freeway on the web... average speed (rush hour ;-)...
82!

Last month (July), with thespian granddaughter Allison attending
Valley Youth Theater "Summer Camp" in downtown Phoenix, 90 miles round
trip, I ran up 4000 miles at a near average speed of 80... benefited
by the HOV lane ;-)

And Infiniti has pissed me off... I see an ad for a new Infiniti
Q50s... in Infiniti numbering schemes that should be a 5-liter
engine... nope it's a 3.7-liter 6-cylinder weenie car :-(

Time to check out Caddies, Beamers and Mercedes... maybe even that new
beasty Hyundai Equus 429 HP 5.0-liter V-8... I just love dusting
Mustangs at traffic lights >:-}

...Jim Thompson

For those who can handle it, the Nissan GT-R is a heck of a deal at
<$100K. "Only" a V6 though. 542 HP.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Smooth]

On 08/13/2013 09:53 PM, Robert Baer wrote:

Don't talk to police officers. That's the No. 1 rule.

If a cop says, "How's the weather today?" You say, "I'd like to consult
with my lawyer before I answer any questions."

That attitude would have scored me a ticket when I was pulled over for
failing to yield to a pedestrian at a busy Santa Monica intersection.

Instead, I told the officer what I'd done, before he had a chance to ask
me anything - "I know, I just saw him out of the corner of my eye as I
was entering the crosswalk."

No ticket.

 

[JW]

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:46:44 -0700 Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in Message id:
<4jm219lujpnpa7mjp4gn9g55janv57t5lt@4ax.com>:

Time to check out Caddies, Beamers and Mercedes... maybe even that new
beasty Hyundai Equus 429 HP 5.0-liter V-8... I just love dusting
Mustangs at traffic lights >:-}

Better be sure it's not a Shelby Mustang GT500 first!
http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/shelbygt500/

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:39:36 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:46:44 -0700 Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in Message id:
4jm219lujpnpa7mjp4gn9g55janv57t5lt@4ax.com>:


Time to check out Caddies, Beamers and Mercedes... maybe even that new
beasty Hyundai Equus 429 HP 5.0-liter V-8... I just love dusting
Mustangs at traffic lights >:-}

Better be sure it's not a Shelby Mustang GT500 first!
http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/shelbygt500/

Not too many of those around. The ones that the juvenile show-offs
can afford are left in the dust.

...Jim Thompson
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On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:08:50 AM UTC-4, er...@bauld.com wrote:

I have been all over the place and cannot seem to find an actual explanation for one or many possible solutions on the race state of a SR Latch on initialization/power up


But, the race condition when the circuit is powered is very indeterminate and it bounces back and forth to which state wins. But I cannot seem to find an explanation as to how to set the initial state properly and then have it function as normal.

"Intention is that:
1) On power up neither relay is on
2) On momentary reset relay /w green is activated
3) If at any time trip is closed, green side is off, red is on
4) If reset is hit while trip is still open, nothing happens
5) if trip is open then reset will function and be able to trigger green led
6) At no time will both red and green be active
7) On init neither LED circuit is on "

The only reliable way to initialize is with a POR circuit, any other method is mere wish.
Based on your description of the logic and adding features such as POR, hazard-free non-oscillatory state switching, and eliminating the very real possibility of hanging in unwanted states due to the asynchronous switch inputs, you end up with the something like shown below. Seems to use quite a lot of real estate for so little functionality, 4x 4001, could have made a boo-boo, but it's not my project so not going to check it out to the max.

Please view in a fixed-width font such as Courier.

..
.. SYSTEM FLOWCHART
..
.. --------
.. | INIT | --------
.. | STATE | |RED=1 |
.. | RED=0 |<------------------- <--|GREEN=1 |
.. | GREEN=0| | | |
.. -------- | --------
.. | | ERROR
.. ----- | STATE
.. 1 / \ 0 |
.. -----<--| TRIP |-->-------- |
.. | \ / | |
.. | ----- | |
.. -------- ----- |
.. |RED=1 | / \ 0 |
.. --->|GREEN=0 |<---- | RST |-->
.. | | | | \ /
.. | -------- | -----
.. | | | |
.. | | | v 1
.. | | | |
.. | ----- | --------
.. | 0 / \ 1 | |RED=0 |
.. ---|/TRIP*RST|-->--|--------------->|GREEN=1 |<---
.. \ / | | | |
.. ----- | -------- |
.. | | |
.. | | |
.. | ----- |
.. | 1 / \ 0 |
.. '------------<--| TRIP |--->
.. \ /
.. -----
..
.. RED == state where red LED and corresponding rly ON
.. GREEN== same except green LED etc
..
.. RED and GREEN become latches.
..
..
.. Make State Transition Table for System Flowchart
..
..
.. \ GREEN
.. RED \ 0 1
.. ----------------------------------------------
.. | | |
.. |RED 0->1 |RED 0->1 |
.. 0 |on TRIP |on TRIP |
.. | | |
.. |GREEN 0->1 |GREEN 1->0 |
.. |on /TRIP*RST |on TRIP |
.. | | |
.. |-----------------------|----------------------|
.. |RED 1->0 | RED 1->0 |
.. |on /TRIP*RST | no condition |
.. 1 | | |
.. |GREEN 0->1 | GREEN 1->0 |
.. |on /TRIP*RST | no condition |
.. | | |
.. ----------------------------------------------
..
.. SR-latch
..
.. ------
.. -|S Q|-
.. | |
.. | |
.. -|R /Q|-
.. ------
..
..
.. Latch Transition Table X= don't care
..
..
.. Q -> Q' | S | R
.. | |
.. -----------|----|----
.. 0 0 | 0 | X
.. -----------|----|----
.. 0 1 | 1 | 0
.. -----------|----|----
.. 1 0 | 0 | 1
.. -----------|----|----
.. 1 1 | X | 0
.. -----------|----|----
..
..
..
.. Then substitute RED and GREEN S R inputs into
..
.. State Transition Table of System Using NOR-Latch
..
.. Transition Table
..
..
..
.. RED LATCH Inputs
..
.. \ GREEN
.. RED \ 0 1
.. -----------------------------------------------
.. |RED 0->1 |RED 0->1 |
.. |on TRIP |on TRIP |
.. 0 | | |
.. |RED_S=TRIP |RED_S=TRIP |
.. |RED_R=0 |RED_R=0 |
.. | | |
.. | | |
.. |-------------------------|----------------------|
.. |RED 1->0 | RED 1->0 |
.. |on /TRIP*RST | no condition |
.. 1 | | |
.. |RED_S=0 | RED_S=0 |
.. |RED_R=/TRIP*RST | RED_R=1 |
.. | | |
.. ------------------------------------------------
..
..
.. then equations can be solved by inspection:
..
.. RED_S=TRIP*/RED
..
.. RED_R=/TRIP*RST*RED + GREEN*RED
..
..
.. GREEN Latch Inputs
..
.. \ GREEN
.. RED \ 0 1
.. ----------------------------------------------
.. | | |
.. |GREEN 0->1 |GREEN 1->0 |
.. 0 |on /TRIP*RST |on TRIP |
.. | | |
.. |GREEN_S=/TRIP*RST |GREEN_S=0 |
.. |GREEN_R=0 |GREEN_R=TRIP |
.. | | |
.. |-----------------------|----------------------|
.. |GREEN 0->1 | GREEN 1->0 |
.. |on /TRIP*RST | no condition |
.. 1 | | |
.. |GREEN_S=/TRIP*RST | GREEN_S=0 |
.. |GREEN_R=0 | GREEN_R=1 |
.. | | |
.. ----------------------------------------------
..
.. GREEN_S=/TRIP*RST*/GREEN
..
.. GREEN_R=TRIP *GREEN + RED*GREEN
..
..
..
..
.. Final task is to create SR-latch with means to force
.. latch into 01 state upon application of combina-
.. torial INIT input.
..
..
..
.. SR-latch
..
.. -------
.. ----|S Q|-
.. | |
.. | |
.. ----|R I /Q|-
.. -------
.. |
.. INIT-----'
..
..
..
..
..
.. ---------------------------------------------------
.. | ___ |
.. S |--------\ \ |
.. | | o-- |
.. | --/___/ | |
.. | | | ___ ___ |
.. | | --\ \ ,-\ \ |
.. | | | o---| | o--+------------|/Q
.. INIT |-----|-------------/___/ '-/___/ | |
.. | | | |
.. | | | ___ |
.. | | ---\ \ |
.. | | | o-+-| Q
.. R |-----|------------------------------------/___/ | |
.. | | | |
.. | | | |
.. | '-------------------------------------------' |
.. ---------------------------------------------------
..
..
..
..
..
..
.. Then instantiate logic with real parts:
..
..
..
..
..
.. INPUT SWITCH LOGIC
..
..
.. VDD RST MOM
.. | SW
.. TRIP o |
.. SW / ---
.. o ,------o o--+-----------> /TRIP*RST
.. | __ | |
.. | ,-\ \ | |
.. +-----| | o-+-----------|-----------> /TRIP
.. | '-/___/ |
.. | |
.. | |
.. +--------------------------|-----------> TRIP
.. | |
.. [10K] [10K]
.. | |
.. --- ---
.. com com
..
..
..
..
.. SR-Latch Logic
..
..
.. ,------+--------------------,
.. | | |
.. | | |
.. | | ___ GREEN |
.. __ | -\ \ ------- |
.. ,-\ \ | | o-|S Q|---+--[4.7K]-->to
.. /TRIP*RST----| | o--|--------/___/ | | GREEN
.. '-/___/ | | | relay
.. | ___ | | drvr
.. TRIP------------------|-\ \ ___ | |
.. | | o-\ \ | |
.. ---|-/___/ | o-|R I /Q|---,
.. | | -/___/ ------- |
.. | | | | |
.. | | | | |
.. | | | | |
.. | | '------------|-------'
.. INIT | | |
.. from >-------------|---|-------------------+
.. POR | | |
.. | | ,------------|-------,
.. | | | | |
.. | | | | |
.. | | | ___ | |
.. | | ___ -\ \ ------- |
.. | -\ \ | o-|R I /Q|---'
.. | | o-/___/ | |
.. /TRIP*RST----------|-----/___/ | |
.. | | |
.. | ___ | |
.. /TRIP--------------|------------\ \ | |
.. | | o-|S Q|---+--[4.7K]--> to
.. | -/___/ ------- | RED
.. | | RED | relay
.. | | | drvr
.. | | |
.. '----------+--------------------'
..
..
..
..
..

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 08/19/2013 01:45 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:39:36 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:46:44 -0700 Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in Message id:
4jm219lujpnpa7mjp4gn9g55janv57t5lt@4ax.com>:


Time to check out Caddies, Beamers and Mercedes... maybe even that new
beasty Hyundai Equus 429 HP 5.0-liter V-8... I just love dusting
Mustangs at traffic lights >:-}

Better be sure it's not a Shelby Mustang GT500 first!
http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/shelbygt500/

Not too many of those around. The ones that the juvenile show-offs
can afford are left in the dust.

...Jim Thompson

By the geriatric show-offs.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:43:42 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 08/19/2013 01:45 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:39:36 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:46:44 -0700 Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in Message id:
4jm219lujpnpa7mjp4gn9g55janv57t5lt@4ax.com>:


Time to check out Caddies, Beamers and Mercedes... maybe even that new
beasty Hyundai Equus 429 HP 5.0-liter V-8... I just love dusting
Mustangs at traffic lights >:-}

Better be sure it's not a Shelby Mustang GT500 first!
http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/shelbygt500/

Not too many of those around. The ones that the juvenile show-offs
can afford are left in the dust.

...Jim Thompson

By the geriatric show-offs.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

"Sleepers" >:-}

...Jim Thompson
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[Robert Baer]

hamilton wrote:

On 8/18/2013 12:37 PM, mpm wrote:

However, in dash-cam situations, maybe the officer has no choice but
to issue a ticket (rather than a warning).


Is it also true, traffic officers get a bonus for the amount of revenue
they can generate every month ??

Number of tickets are no longer the goal, the amount of fines collected
is the new benchmark.
( safety vs revenue )

* Well, explain why cops are told to issue tickets as that is how they
get their $26K++/o pay.
And explain if they do not meet the quota, they somehow get a bad
review and no promotion.

When ever I do get stopped (its been years) I never have an insurance
card handy.

What ever I may have done is secondary to the amount collected for not
having insurance.

I can latter fax over my insurance card and the whole thing is dropped.

My $0.02

 

[Robert Baer]

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

"Look at the incredible behavior of NASA seizing moon rock samples that
astronauts gave as gifts. They get an old lady with a rock to come forward
and then swarm her in riot gear. They all swear to defend the Constitution
but don't understand what that means.
"
Do you have a link on that ? Don't get me wrong, I believe you, hell they catch you selling raw milk they treat you like you cook crank (meth). It's not a matter of disbelief I just want it for reference when I bitch about the government.

I did a quick google on it and I find that yes, apparently some moonrocks are missing, they say stolen. I guess technically since the astronauts were on the payroll the government does own the rocks.

I like stories about them handcuffing little old Ladies and ransacking the house and shit like that for ammunition, but what I REALLY like is stories about little old Ladies who blow some punk's head off for breaking in their house and trying to rob them and who knows what else.

Better yet, a little old Lady blowing the head off a plainclothes
breaking and entering cop..especially when said cop had NO warrant or
valid reason ("oops..wrong house" - mis-id has happened many times).

 

[George Herold]

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:33:01 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:32:24 +0100, the renowned Mike Perkins

spam@spam.com> wrote:



On 19/08/2013 18:42, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:49:18 -0700, Mike Cook <mcham@NOTyahoo.com

wrote:



http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/alt_bwoh.pdf



has photos of an alternator with 4 connections for windings (each

of 3 phases + common), and the 8 diode rectifier. But wiring

diagrams show only 3 connections and 6 diodes.



Where does the common winding terminal connect (there is a

connection on the rectifier plate)? Where do the other 2 diodes

connect?



The common in the Wye connection (called "Neutral Junction" in the

photo on page 18) goes to the 4th pair of diodes (and typically the

regulator). The other three pairs of winding ends ("Stator Lead

Ends") go to the other three pairs of diodes.





Not the alternators I've taken apart. The star point is typically a

crimp, and serves no other useful purpose.



Those were alternators with only six power rectifiers, right?



The field, and regulator power, are normally taken from an additional set of

diodes, usually 3, ie one per phase, such that the regulator is

effectively isolated from the battery when the engine is not turning.



The power rectifiers connected to the Wye common are used to extract

3rd harmonic power- yielding up to 10% additional current capacity-

when operating at high speed.

Interesting, Thanks! (I assume it's as shown in the link that ed posted earlier.)
http://autonopedia.org/renewable-energy/generators/alternator-secrets/
George H.

Best regards,

Spehro Pefhany

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[George Herold]

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:37:31 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:28:59 -0700 (PDT), George Herold

gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:



On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:33:01 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:32:24 +0100, the renowned Mike Perkins
snip

The power rectifiers connected to the Wye common are used to extract



3rd harmonic power- yielding up to 10% additional current capacity-
when operating at high speed.
Interesting, Thanks! (I assume it's as shown in the link that ed posted earlier.)

http://autonopedia.org/renewable-energy/generators/alternator-secrets/

George H.


Yes, this patent (Fig 2) shows the construction a bit more clearly
(but no explanation of _why_).

Hmm, if there is a lot of current being drawn maybe you 'win' by not having the resistance of the other stators in the current path.

http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US6528911.pdf



The efficiency of the highly optimized (for cost) automotive Lundell

claw pole generator is apparently only about 50%. That's a lot of

wasted gasoline given the high electrical loads on modern cars (mine

has an electric water pump and electric steering, for example).

So I'm guessing they optimize for the 'up front' cost of the car and not your cost to run it.

My wife has a Toyota minivan in which everything seems to have a motor attached. I expect next they will motorize the opening and closing of the two front doors. I mean, I have to set my coffee cup down in the morning to open the door... that's much to much to ask. :^)

George H.