Driver to drive?

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Jon Slaughter wrote:

osr@uakron.edu wrote:
No joke: South Carolina now requires ’subversives’ to register


The reason for seemingly absurd laws is to have the legal authority to
stack on charges. It's not illogical as it seems but also generally
doesn't work as well as one thinks.


Better make successful suicide bombing a death penalty offence.

That should deter them.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

 

[Ban]

"Ron Ayoub" <ronaldayoub@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:4e80a7d8-1719-4827-bf97-9cd3c7f68753@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

I'm trying to come to a non-physicist understanding of the charging of
an alternator. I understand all the parts involved. What I don't get
is how DC current coming from the diode assembly to the battery's
positive terminal can charge the battery. I don't need to understand
the electrochemical reactions in general. My question is a logical one
and I'm probably off on the logic. For a 12 volt lead-acid battery the
negative terminal is at 0 volts and the positive terminal is at 12.
The diagram that I have studied shows a pulsed 0 to 12 volt DC current
between the diode assembly and the positive terminal and it is this
pulsed DC current which supposedly recharges the battery. But if the
positive terminal is at 12 volts then this current flow is the same as
it would be as if it was coming from the negative terminal (and thus
draining the battery).

Perhaps electricity is just not easy to understand. What would work
for me is to say that the voltage coming from the diode assembly is
actually higher than 12 volts because it is stepped up when the
current is induced in the stator. So in this case the current flow
would be reversed from the usual flow of the battery. But this is not
what I have read so far. There are limited good articles on this and
most brush over how this is accomplished or else the technicalities
are beyond my understanding. Any help would be appreciated.

An alternator is a current source, so the output voltage is resulting from

the battery, unless the regulator sees it rising above 14.4v, then the field
current is cut out.
ciao Ban

 

[Ban]

"D from BC" <myrealaddress@comic.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:MPG.25de3b58a76d4e0a989698@209.197.12.12...

"The true value of a man is not determined by his possession, supposed
or real, of Truth, but rather by his sincere exertion to get the Truth.
It is not possession of the Truth, but rather the pursuit of Truth by
which he extends his powers and in which his ever-growing perfectability
is to be found. Possession makes one passive, indolent, and proud. If
God were to hold all Truth concealed in His right hand, and in his left
only the steady and diligent drive for Truth, albeit with a proviso that
I would always and forever err in the process, and to offer me the
choice, I would with all humility take the left hand."
--Gotthold Lessing, 1778

Why does Gotthold pick 'the drive for Truth'??

Here's what I figure:

Easy way: Truth handed to you on a silver plater.
You know the truth on everything. Yeahhhh!

Hard way: One has to do detective work/test/use scientific method/build
particle accelerators etc. and perhaps use lots of time to get the
truth.

Yet Gotthold picks the hard way???
Does Gotthold figure that if one knows the truth it's pretty much game
over???
Life = pursuit of truth?
Knowing it all is not lively???
The pursuit of the truth is more human than knowing it all?

What would you pick?

You do not understand what he means boy, hint: it is not about the outside
ciao Ban

 

[D from BC]

In article <hl2o1t$ndt$1@news.eternal-september.org>, bansuri@web.de
says...

"D from BC" <myrealaddress@comic.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:MPG.25de3b58a76d4e0a989698@209.197.12.12...
"The true value of a man is not determined by his possession, supposed
or real, of Truth, but rather by his sincere exertion to get the Truth.
It is not possession of the Truth, but rather the pursuit of Truth by
which he extends his powers and in which his ever-growing perfectability
is to be found. Possession makes one passive, indolent, and proud. If
God were to hold all Truth concealed in His right hand, and in his left
only the steady and diligent drive for Truth, albeit with a proviso that
I would always and forever err in the process, and to offer me the
choice, I would with all humility take the left hand."
--Gotthold Lessing, 1778

Why does Gotthold pick 'the drive for Truth'??

Here's what I figure:

Easy way: Truth handed to you on a silver plater.
You know the truth on everything. Yeahhhh!

Hard way: One has to do detective work/test/use scientific method/build
particle accelerators etc. and perhaps use lots of time to get the
truth.

Yet Gotthold picks the hard way???
Does Gotthold figure that if one knows the truth it's pretty much game
over???
Life = pursuit of truth?
Knowing it all is not lively???
The pursuit of the truth is more human than knowing it all?

What would you pick?


You do not understand what he means boy, hint: it is not about the outside
ciao Ban

Not about the outside??
Self esteem is on the inside.
Is Gotthold talking about self esteem (self worth)?
There's more self esteem gained by selecting the diligent drive for
truth as opposed to being given the truth on a silver plater?

I do suspect I'm missing something in what Gotthold wrote and that's why
I've posted.
I often post when I think I'm wrong or missing something.

Gotthold compares the possession of truth(meaning just knowing accurate
knowledge) vs doing something to get the truth(meaning the action of
getting accurate knowledge).

Comprehension example:
Anybody can be receive and possess a toaster.
Therefore owning a toaster is not impressive.
What is impressive if when someone makes an effort and designs and
builds a toaster.
Therefore the toaster maker has true value.

Am I still off course?


--
D from BC
British Columbia

 

[Ban]

"D from BC" <myrealaddress@comic.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:MPG.25de9429887debf98969b@209.197.12.12...

In article <hl2o1t$ndt$1@news.eternal-september.org>, bansuri@web.de
says...

"D from BC" <myrealaddress@comic.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:MPG.25de3b58a76d4e0a989698@209.197.12.12...
"The true value of a man is not determined by his possession, supposed
or real, of Truth, but rather by his sincere exertion to get the Truth.
It is not possession of the Truth, but rather the pursuit of Truth by
which he extends his powers and in which his ever-growing
perfectability
is to be found. Possession makes one passive, indolent, and proud. If
God were to hold all Truth concealed in His right hand, and in his left
only the steady and diligent drive for Truth, albeit with a proviso
that
I would always and forever err in the process, and to offer me the
choice, I would with all humility take the left hand."
--Gotthold Lessing, 1778

Why does Gotthold pick 'the drive for Truth'??

Here's what I figure:

Easy way: Truth handed to you on a silver plater.
You know the truth on everything. Yeahhhh!

Hard way: One has to do detective work/test/use scientific method/build
particle accelerators etc. and perhaps use lots of time to get the
truth.

Yet Gotthold picks the hard way???
Does Gotthold figure that if one knows the truth it's pretty much game
over???
Life = pursuit of truth?
Knowing it all is not lively???
The pursuit of the truth is more human than knowing it all?

What would you pick?


You do not understand what he means boy, hint: it is not about the
outside
ciao Ban

Not about the outside??
Self esteem is on the inside.
Is Gotthold talking about self esteem (self worth)?
There's more self esteem gained by selecting the diligent drive for
truth as opposed to being given the truth on a silver plater?

I do suspect I'm missing something in what Gotthold wrote and that's why
I've posted.
I often post when I think I'm wrong or missing something.

Gotthold compares the possession of truth(meaning just knowing accurate
knowledge) vs doing something to get the truth(meaning the action of
getting accurate knowledge).

Comprehension example:
Anybody can be receive and possess a toaster.
Therefore owning a toaster is not impressive.
What is impressive if when someone makes an effort and designs and
builds a toaster.
Therefore the toaster maker has true value.

Am I still off course?

He is neither talking about self esteem, ego or whatever you call it,
he talks about knowing what he is, "who am I?". And this cannot be conveyed
by books or study, only indicated. The finger pointing to the moon.
Everybody has to find it himself, only experience is needed. Try it out
yourself. And ignorance is nothing bad, remember all of Jesus deciples were
ignorant fools, but they got it rather then the knowledgable people.
ciao Ban

 

[Falk Willberg]

Am 12.02.2010 03:01, schrieb Paul Hovnanian P.E.:

I belong to a group with the following text in its founding charter:

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,
it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to
institute new Government,"

That reminds me of ..... where did I read something like this before?

Ah, here it is:

"All Germans shall have the right to resist any person seeking to
abolish this constitutional order, if no other remedy is available."

But we don't have to register before committing a crime ;-)

Falk
--
My english may be bad, but you should here me shout "Achtung, Fritz, die
Autobahn".

 

[pimpom]

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

Better make successful suicide bombing a death penalty offence.
That should deter them.

LOL

 

[pimpom]

David L. Jones wrote:

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
osr@uakron.edu wrote:

No joke: South Carolina now requires 'subversives' to
register


http://rawstory.com/2010/02/south-carolinas-subversive-activities-reg...

1/
http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/SubversiveAgentForm.pdf

So what happens to those who register?

Oh, lets find out, that could be fun!
Someone want to apply on behalf of S.E.D ? :-
I'll spring the 5 bucks.

No. Let's keep this democratic. A dime each?

 

[pimpom]

Falk Willberg wrote:

My english may be bad, but you should here me shout "Achtung,
Fritz, die
Autobahn".

Donner und blitzen!

 

[Martin Brown]

linnix wrote:

On Feb 11, 2:49 pm, Martin Brown <|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
wrote:

One of the headband mounted lights with a diffuser ought to do the
trick.

I prefer to mount it on my chest. It creates a more even lighting as
well. I use it for home camping, when my companion is asleep.

You might find it worthwhile bridging the switch with a 470k
resistor so you can find the thing in total darkness too.

Good idea, but I think a smaller resistor would be better. Even 47k
can last a very long time.

470k with these modern high efficiency white LEDs will still put enough
light out to see by when fully dark adapted. All you really want to be
able to do is get to it in total darkness for instance during a power
cut. Being able to trade longevity for brightness might be useful in a
real emergency situation.

I fail to see why there are not more LED based torches exploiting this
nice feature of highly efficient white LED emitters. There are a few
around made of doped strontium aluminate luminous plastic.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[nuny@bid.nes]

On Feb 11, 6:01 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...@Hovnanian.com> wrote:

I belong to a group with the following text in its founding charter:

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,
it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to
institute new Government,"

Don't forget:

"......when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing
invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under
absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off
such Government..."

Do I have to register?

ISTM a strict interpretation of the law is "yes, you do".

I wonder if this will sweep the country; if so, I'm registering here
as soon as it gets here. I'll take a copy of the Declaration with me
though, just to see the looks on their faces.


Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:50:37 +0100, "Ban" <bansuri@web.de> wrote:

"Ron Ayoub" <ronaldayoub@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:4e80a7d8-1719-4827-bf97-9cd3c7f68753@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
I'm trying to come to a non-physicist understanding of the charging of
an alternator. I understand all the parts involved. What I don't get
is how DC current coming from the diode assembly to the battery's
positive terminal can charge the battery. I don't need to understand
the electrochemical reactions in general. My question is a logical one
and I'm probably off on the logic. For a 12 volt lead-acid battery the
negative terminal is at 0 volts and the positive terminal is at 12.
The diagram that I have studied shows a pulsed 0 to 12 volt DC current
between the diode assembly and the positive terminal and it is this
pulsed DC current which supposedly recharges the battery. But if the
positive terminal is at 12 volts then this current flow is the same as
it would be as if it was coming from the negative terminal (and thus
draining the battery).

Perhaps electricity is just not easy to understand. What would work
for me is to say that the voltage coming from the diode assembly is
actually higher than 12 volts because it is stepped up when the
current is induced in the stator. So in this case the current flow
would be reversed from the usual flow of the battery. But this is not
what I have read so far. There are limited good articles on this and
most brush over how this is accomplished or else the technicalities
are beyond my understanding. Any help would be appreciated.

An alternator is a current source, so the output voltage is resulting from
the battery, unless the regulator sees it rising above 14.4v, then the field
current is cut out.
ciao Ban

But dependent on temperature...

http://analog-innovations.com/SED/AlternatorRegulatorTC.pdf

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Bit Farmer]

Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:

So, I'm going on a camping trip, and I plan to bring along some
reading material for
the time between sundown and the time when I get bored watching the
stars and
listening to the wildlife until I'm tired enough to sleep.

So, I need some kind of lamp that's handier to operate than an
ordinary flashlight,
but will illuminate a page of print brightly enough to read
"normally." And I specifically
want a white LED (or LEDs), for battery life - that's another problem
with an incandescent
flashlight, even with fresh alkalines, notwithstanding that stupid
spot - I need more of
a flood, so I don't have to keep pointing the light at the passage I'm
reading.

I've heard tell of LED bike headlights and the like; what I want is
some wide-angle
"flood" light, that could illuminate an ordinary 8 1/2 x 11 page from
about two feet
(2/3M) away, while I'm at a normal reading distance (18-24" (1/2 -
2/3M)), brightly
enough that I don't get eyestrain.

Does anyone have any recommendations, or need more info?

Thanks,
Rich

Rich

Go to REI. They have a ton of LED headlamps with a variety of beams. They are a bit pricey, but IMHO are worth it. They are
designed to be head mounted and have many models that are quite light. Weight is important, especially when it is on your head. I
have used these for reading on river trips for years and they are great.

b. Farmer

 

[Rich Grise on Google grou]

On Feb 11, 8:09 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Jon Slaughter wrote:
o...@uakron.edu wrote:
No joke: South Carolina now requires ’subversives’ to register

The reason for seemingly absurd laws is to have the legal authority to
stack on charges. It's not illogical as it seems but also generally
doesn't work as well as one thinks.

Better make successful suicide bombing a death penalty offence.
That should deter them.

Nah, just make a worldwide announcement: "If any remains of a suicide

bomber are found,
said remains shall be boiled in pig fat until fully rendered into
edible hog slop, then fed to
whatever hogs are available to turn said slop into pig shit, which is
what suicide bombers
are in the first place, after all."

Or something like that. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise on Google grou]

Gack! Once again, too many responses to reply individually and thank
everyone - well, I could,
but I think everybody knows I'm the laziest man on the planet.

That HF unit for 5.99 looks like the one I'll opt for, if I can find a
similar one in a physical store
where I don't have to go through figuring out how to get it shipped to
these boonies.

Anyway, I have a lot better idea of what's available, and again,
thanks to everyone.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[krw]

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:41:52 -0800 (PST), "langwadt@fonz.dk"
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

On 11 Feb., 22:04, Martin Brown <|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
wrote:
o...@uakron.edu wrote:

No joke: South Carolina now requires subversives to register

Steve

By Daniel Tencer
Friday, February 5th, 2010 -- 11:49 am

Terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now
register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their
intentions -- or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison.

As a US citizen you are probably unaware that there are very similar
questions on the US Visa application form (and have been for a very long
time). From memory something along the lines of:

Do you intend to assassinate the President of the USA?
(ignoring the fact that all assassinations so far have been home grown)

Do you intend to overthrow the US government?

You're supposed to claim all income from criminal activity on your
income tax forms, too.

nah it nots that bad, you can see the I94w here: http://www.immihelp.com/visas/i-94w.html

though asking if people are terrorist or were involved with the nazis
during ww2, doesn't seem like
a question they get many yes answers to

It is a standing joke in the ROW that only a US citizen would be dumb
enough to answer these questions truthfully. And it is rumoured that
Oscar Wilde answered "Sole purpose of visit" but they still let him in.

If you consider the possible outcomes. Either the coup is successful or
you get a $25,000 in addition to multiple death sentences and 600 years
in jail to run concurrently.

Regards,
Martin Brown

I'm guessing the idea is that then they will always have something to
put the bad guys in jail for, even if they can't get them for what
they
were really doing

They got Al Capone on income tax evasion.

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

D from BC wrote:

"The true value of a man is not determined by his possession, supposed
or real, of Truth, but rather by his sincere exertion to get the Truth.
It is not possession of the Truth, but rather the pursuit of Truth by
which he extends his powers and in which his ever-growing perfectability
is to be found. Possession makes one passive, indolent, and proud. If
God were to hold all Truth concealed in His right hand, and in his left
only the steady and diligent drive for Truth, albeit with a proviso that
I would always and forever err in the process, and to offer me the
choice, I would with all humility take the left hand."
--Gotthold Lessing, 1778

Its a trick question. There is no God.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailtoaul@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
Matter cannot be created or destroyed, nor can it be returned without a
receipt.

 

[D from BC]

In article <4B75E06E.430CF394@Hovnanian.com>, Paul@Hovnanian.com says...

D from BC wrote:

"The true value of a man is not determined by his possession, supposed
or real, of Truth, but rather by his sincere exertion to get the Truth.
It is not possession of the Truth, but rather the pursuit of Truth by
which he extends his powers and in which his ever-growing perfectability
is to be found. Possession makes one passive, indolent, and proud. If
God were to hold all Truth concealed in His right hand, and in his left
only the steady and diligent drive for Truth, albeit with a proviso that
I would always and forever err in the process, and to offer me the
choice, I would with all humility take the left hand."
--Gotthold Lessing, 1778

Its a trick question. There is no God.

Nah nah...
I don't believe in God but the God myth is essentual to setting up the
thought experiment.
Replacing God with genie in a bottle works too.

Myths are still good for stuff.
Many names from mythology are used to name astrological stuff.
Long ago, people worked to dream up these imaginary characters and it's
a shame to trash all that nonsense. It's human art!
It's nice the myths are being put to use.
Someday there might be stars called God144,God325622,God32342342... or
black holes named Satan23421.Satan4343532, a qalaxy called heaven and
qalaxy called hell...etc.

Which raises a question..
Can an astronomer name a star God,Jesus or Satan?


--
D from BC
British Columbia

 

[Mark Zenier]

In article <09d9n5t2okq0d950cccpm4o0l5ejn6drlj@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

I think a million people should rally in Washington DC and hold up
their hands with SARAH written on their palms.

The Mark of the Beast...

 

[Robert Baer]

krw wrote:

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:41:52 -0800 (PST), "langwadt@fonz.dk"
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

On 11 Feb., 22:04, Martin Brown <|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
wrote:
o...@uakron.edu wrote:

No joke: South Carolina now requires subversives to register
Steve
By Daniel Tencer
Friday, February 5th, 2010 -- 11:49 am
Terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now
register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their
intentions -- or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison.
As a US citizen you are probably unaware that there are very similar
questions on the US Visa application form (and have been for a very long
time). From memory something along the lines of:

Do you intend to assassinate the President of the USA?
(ignoring the fact that all assassinations so far have been home grown)

Do you intend to overthrow the US government?


You're supposed to claim all income from criminal activity on your
income tax forms, too.

nah it nots that bad, you can see the I94w here: http://www.immihelp.com/visas/i-94w.html

though asking if people are terrorist or were involved with the nazis
during ww2, doesn't seem like
a question they get many yes answers to

It is a standing joke in the ROW that only a US citizen would be dumb
enough to answer these questions truthfully. And it is rumoured that
Oscar Wilde answered "Sole purpose of visit" but they still let him in.

If you consider the possible outcomes. Either the coup is successful or
you get a $25,000 in addition to multiple death sentences and 600 years
in jail to run concurrently.

Regards,
Martin Brown
I'm guessing the idea is that then they will always have something to
put the bad guys in jail for, even if they can't get them for what
they
were really doing

They got Al Capone on income tax evasion.
Lessee...iffen ize gotza liesens tew SUBvert, then iffen i dew that

ize gotza bee leeGAL!