Driver to drive?

[MooseFET]

On Jan 15, 3:28 pm, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"MooseFET"

He won't now go back and read your
earlier posts and realize that he is wrong,

** You LYING piece of autistic SHIT !!!!

YOU misread what had been posted and YOU will not go back and look at it
again.

Nope, I'm right and you are wrong. You didn't understand one of her
posts and went into complete flame mode on it. You are now stuck in
flame mode and won't go back and carefull reread what was actaullay
said in the context.

The subject BTW is *NOT* just CFL lights. The subject of this thread
is energy saving methods. The subject line was "how to save
electricity" until you childishly changed it.

..... Phil

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:55:18 +0000, Chris Jones <lugnut808@yahoo.com>
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:18:44 -0800 (PST), bulegoge@columbus.rr.com
wrote:

On Jan 12, 7:05 pm, "Bill Sloman" <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
a7yvm109gf...@netzero.com> schreef in

berichtnews:004b248a-7863-4ca8-afaa-7ee4c0d75a8e@j39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...





Hi gang,
I'm trying to find out why people use CPWs on PCBs.
I'm looking into improving the rise-time performance of a PCB. It is
currently using microstrip on 6.6mils of Rogers 4450B, with a ground
plane right underneath.
We are launching a 50ps step and getting 150ps out at the other end.
The path is about 5 inches long, an 11 mils trace with a nominal
impedance of 50ohms.
The test report from the PCB shop shows we are within 5% of 50ohms.
This is measured, not calculated.
The 150ps figure comes from the lab. Our early simulations showed
there would be rise-time degradation, but not at this level.
So I'm trying to educate myself on CPWs, I'm reading Microwave
Engineering by Pozar.

But I'd like a pre-digested answer like: it makes no difference, it
helps in the high frequencies, your 11mil traces are too thin, etc...
TIA

For what it is worth, strip-line - a track routed over ground-plane -
is intrinsically dispersive. Microstrip - a track routed on an inner
layer between two ground planes - is not.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think you have your terms backwards there. I use microstrip all the
time (a track routed over the groundplane , but exposed). You can
combine lumped elements to the circuits. All power transistors that I
have used are matched into microstrip circuits.

It is a legitimate , bonified, transmission line, like a coax or
strip line.

He's right that microstrip is dispersive, but that's not the major
risetime-loss contributor in the op's situation. On a given board
stackup, stripline is generally lossier... the trace will be skinnier,
the dielectric layers thinner, and any pcb dielectric is lossier than
air. Not to mention the vias.

John

Why is microstrip dispersive, and how much? (excluding poor dielectrics with
frequency-dependent dielectric constant of course)

Chris

It's dispersive because some of the dielectric is air and some is
substrate. It's sort of like parts have different propagation speeds.

John

 

[Phil Allison]

"Moronic Cunthead FET"

The situation isn't so simple. The power factor sense of a CFL depends
on the type of ballast it has. An electromagnetic ballast introduces a
lagging power factor, which is a problem, but an electronic ballast
usually has a leading power factor.

That depends a lot on the sort of ballast. The two tube ones often
are near unity power factor.

** HUH ?????????

What the FUCK has that got to do with CFLs ??

That is the wrong question.


** It is EXACTLY the right one - and you have no answer.


You are one evil, ASD fucked

PSYCHOTIC LYING PILE OF SHIT


Drop dead - ASAP.




...... Phil

 

[Chris Jones]

Joel Koltner wrote:

"Chris Jones" <lugnut808@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:B79cl.4978$iX1.3732@newsfe24.ams2...
Why is microstrip dispersive, and how much?

http://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedia/dispersion.cfm

Thanks! I need to think about that a bit more...

Chris

 

[Chris Jones]

John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:55:18 +0000, Chris Jones <lugnut808@yahoo.com
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:18:44 -0800 (PST), bulegoge@columbus.rr.com
wrote:

On Jan 12, 7:05 pm, "Bill Sloman" <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
a7yvm109gf...@netzero.com> schreef in

berichtnews:004b248a-7863-4ca8-afaa-7ee4c0d75a8e@j39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...





Hi gang,
I'm trying to find out why people use CPWs on PCBs.
I'm looking into improving the rise-time performance of a PCB. It is
currently using microstrip on 6.6mils of Rogers 4450B, with a ground
plane right underneath.
We are launching a 50ps step and getting 150ps out at the other end.
The path is about 5 inches long, an 11 mils trace with a nominal
impedance of 50ohms.
The test report from the PCB shop shows we are within 5% of 50ohms.
This is measured, not calculated.
The 150ps figure comes from the lab. Our early simulations showed
there would be rise-time degradation, but not at this level.
So I'm trying to educate myself on CPWs, I'm reading Microwave
Engineering by Pozar.

But I'd like a pre-digested answer like: it makes no difference, it
helps in the high frequencies, your 11mil traces are too thin,
etc... TIA

For what it is worth, strip-line - a track routed over ground-plane -
is intrinsically dispersive. Microstrip - a track routed on an inner
layer between two ground planes - is not.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think you have your terms backwards there. I use microstrip all the
time (a track routed over the groundplane , but exposed). You can
combine lumped elements to the circuits. All power transistors that I
have used are matched into microstrip circuits.

It is a legitimate , bonified, transmission line, like a coax or
strip line.

He's right that microstrip is dispersive, but that's not the major
risetime-loss contributor in the op's situation. On a given board
stackup, stripline is generally lossier... the trace will be skinnier,
the dielectric layers thinner, and any pcb dielectric is lossier than
air. Not to mention the vias.

John

Why is microstrip dispersive, and how much? (excluding poor dielectrics
with frequency-dependent dielectric constant of course)

Chris

It's dispersive because some of the dielectric is air and some is
substrate. It's sort of like parts have different propagation speeds.

John

Hmmm... I should make a multi-section L-C lumped model and simulate it. As
far as I can see, it must have something to do with the component of the
electric field that is not at right angles to the direction of the
microstrip trace, otherwise I would have expected the magnitude of the
electric field to be independent of frequency. I need to do some more
thinking.

Chris

 

[MooseFET]

On Jan 16, 4:29 pm, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Moronic Cunt FET"

The situation isn't so simple. The power factor sense of a CFL depends
on the type of ballast it has. An electromagnetic ballast introduces a
lagging power factor, which is a problem, but an electronic ballast
usually has a leading power factor.

That depends a lot on the sort of ballast.  The two tube ones often
are near unity power factor.

**   HUH ?????????

 What the  FUCK has that got to do with CFLs  ??

That is the wrong question. Before you childishly changed the subject
line, the subject was "How to save electicity". You have now become
so fixated on the subject of CFLs and trying to prove others to be
wrong that you have lost track of the subject we are talking about.
You are now well into full flaming rant mode and are beyond the reach
of reasoned discussion.

 

[JosephKK]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:42:48 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

JeffM wrote:

In news:gkca1c$5ta$6@reversiblemaps.ath.cx

Jasen Betts wrote:

Install linux.


In news:jLKdnd2RobMdRfTUnZ2dnUVZ_g0AAAAA@posted.localnet
Robert Baer wrote:

Linux will not run most of the WonDoz type proggies i use[...]


Have you actually made an attempt to verify that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=winehq
http://www.google.com/search?q=Wine-Is-Not-an-Emulator+recursive-acronym

(CodeWeavers also has a payware version of WINE.)
http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:codeweavers-com-compatibility-browse-name&num=100&filter=0


: CorelDraw


http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:zDue3gI4UGQJ:https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=210+ver+CorelDRAW+Honorable.Mention&strip=1
(Honorable Mention)


, QuattroPro


http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=534
(Silver Award)

...and welcome to the 21st Century
where you are NOT indentured to single-platform payware apps:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:UtLyefrMZFoJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_vector_graphics_editors+Inkscape+Free+GPL+CorelDRAW+Proprietary+c+Dia+gnu+65-*-*-*+501+OpenOffice+and.open.source+LGPL#Operating_system_support

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:wTnd-_GpEh0J:wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ+Dia+GPL+imports+CorelDRAW&strip=1#What_formats_can_Inkscape_import.2Fexport.3F
.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:K9Fgl_CihyoJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_spreadsheet_software+OpenOffice+Free+GPL+Quattro.Pro+Proprietary+c+terms+text+gnu+501+Gnumeric+*-*-*-*-*-can-import+LGPL#Operating_system_support
.
.
...and in the 21st Century, smart people who are forced to run Windoze
run that fragile environment and its ridiculous security model
in a *virtual* space so the INFECTIONS go *poof* upon closing the
session.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/2132697de3d95a1e?q=effortlessly+great+VirtualBox+zz-zz+qq+multiple.virtual.machines+*-windows-variants+any.operating.system+virginal-*+*-cunning-*
news:F-udnfpqXdKVmaLUnZ2dnUVZ8hidnZ2d@lyse.net
(Joerg Schulze-Clewing, John Devereux, David Brown)

Virtualized Windoze *is* Windoze
so you can run your ancient Windoze-only apps without reservations
--all the security of Linux with all the (non-security) quirks of M$.
Well, i have 4 partitions encompasing 3 OSes and data.
Has the stupidity of a LILO partition been fixed?

LILO has been pretty well displaced by GRUB, which sits in the MBR or
on any partition you like.

If you hardware is up to it you will really like a modern Linux on a
multi core 64-bit machine, i sure do. Virtualizes real nice.

 

[JeffM]

Robert Baer wrote:
Well, i have 4 partitions encompasing 3 OSes and data.
Has the stupidity of a LILO partition been fixed?

JosephKK wrote:
LILO has been pretty well displaced by GRUB,
which sits in the MBR or on any partition you like.

If it was on *any* partition, why wouldn't the system

look at the boot sector of hda and ignore the boot manager?
....or is there a step you left out?

Heh. Your comment is directed at a guy

whose primary OS is Windows 98.

you will really like a modern Linux on a multi core 64-bit machine,
i sure do. Virtualizes real nice.

Well, he *is* about due for some new hardware.

I think Baer may be even cheaper than I am.

 

[JosephKK]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:49:33 +0000, Raveninghorde
<raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:41:09 GMT, Jon Kirwan
jonk@infinitefactors.org> wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:36:35 -0800 (PST), bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

I don't know exactly. I image that the use a device called an infra-
red spectrometer to look at infra-red absorbtion lines that are
specifc to C02, and don't overlap with infra-red absorbtion lies from
the other gases present.

The terms to google are "non-dispersive infrared" and/or "NDIR", I
think. But to add to your comment, there's both a sample cell and a
reference cell in the system, each with their own inlets and outlets,
a shared infrared source, optical filter and detector, if I recall --
for in situ calibration on every sample taken. I could be wrong about
that frequency, though. It's used instead of gas chromatography
because the absolute levels in the atmosphere are large enough.

I think NOAA and Scripps each operate various sites. If there is a
question about the details of operation, calibration, etc., I'd
recommend contacting one or both of them about the specifics. The
measurements are accurate but there's obviously limited spatial
coverage, which are also made close to the planetary boundary layer.
There are proposals and test sites for measuring column CO2 levels
(using eddy covariance?)

Jon

As you say they use NDIR with a Siemens Ultramat 3 but I haven't found
the spec of the equipment yet. I also haven't found a paper I can
access that describes the process.

I'd like to know if it is measuring the total green house gas content
and fudging the CO2 result based on a theoretical mix of methane,
ozone, CO2 etc or if they are doing something more complex.

If you want to know something about how it does what it does try this:

http://www2.sea.siemens.com/Products/Process-Analytics/Products/Ultramat23.htm

 

[T]

In article <mnktm4p4t7elotf41jja3gjd9qpi1gsqec@4ax.com>,
quiettechblue@yahoo.com says...

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:16:05 +0000, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Larkin wrote:

I don't like big, sloppy, ugly, mushy, heavy cars, or slow, buggy,
annoying software. Does that make me un-American?

I wouldn't have thought so.


I did own a Ford Fiesta once, but it was made in Germany.

That's an ultra-compact for the USA. What did you think of it ?


The US makes the best aircraft, the best semiconductors, the best
computers, the best electronic instruments... lots of good things. But
the big3 auto makers have been paralyzed for decades by the unions and
their own bad management.

Are Boeing airliners really better than Airbuses ? Singapore Airlines LOVE their
A380s. They're performing beyond expectation.


What do you drive?

Saab. The choice of engineers and professionals generally.

Graham

No. Their heyday is quite passed. They were good until about 10 to
15 years ago.

About the time GM absorbed them is when the quality went to shit.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:18:55 -0800, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:

LILO has been pretty well displaced by GRUB, which sits in the MBR or
on any partition you like.

If you hardware is up to it you will really like a modern Linux on a
multi core 64-bit machine, i sure do. Virtualizes real nice.

I use XOSL (XOSL2) and point at my OS partitions.

Vista Ultimate Eternity Edition

Windows 7 Public Beta

OpenSuse 11.1 X64

Other as yet unfilled Linux partitions

On the PS3, I use Petitboot, and it points at a USB drive, the DVD
drive, and five hard drive partitions, with the USB and optical being on
the fly boot menu reads.

I have:

Gentoo portage

Yellow Dog 6

OpenSuse 11.1

Ubuntu Jaunty Jackelope

Grid on USB drive

I wish I could get Knopper to do a PPC Cell PS3 Knoppix release.

 

[T]

In article <MPG.23d8fe15b3e347d3989824@news.individual.net>,
krw@att.zzzzzzzzz says...

In article <59mtm49mpofommcena8kct20ksg82hc2io@4ax.com>,
quiettechblue@yahoo.com says...
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:39:46 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:20:44 +0000, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



krw wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
T wrote:
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com says...

I don't necessarily blame the paralysis on the unions. On the other hand
the perfect example is GM.

Several new Saturns are actually German Opels. Seems GM can't even design a car
any more.

...and Opel is owned by?

I know perfectly well who by. The Germans put the Americans to shame. Or can you
think of another reason why GM would be importing German cars and designs ?

The same reason other multi-national corporations "import designs"
from other subsidiaries, Dumb Donkey.

Opel won't go under. Neither will Saab, I expect. They actually have the technology.

What a dumb donkey. They are OWNED BY GM and will go where GM goes,
Dumbass Fugly Donkey.

And GM seems headed for bankruptcy, even with the bail out. Next.

Agreed, however

1) Saab will follow them, as a wholly owned subsidiary

2) "Bankruptcy" does not mean "end of operations".

Bankruptcy can have two forms in the corporate world. One is a re-
organization which typically discharges a lot of the debt and
liabilities of the company. That means retirement plans, shareholders,
et al.

Then there's liquidation where everything is sold off and the proceeds
distributed to the largest creditors and shareholders.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:08:11 -0500, T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net> wrote:

In article <mnktm4p4t7elotf41jja3gjd9qpi1gsqec@4ax.com>,
quiettechblue@yahoo.com says...
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:16:05 +0000, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Larkin wrote:

I don't like big, sloppy, ugly, mushy, heavy cars, or slow, buggy,
annoying software. Does that make me un-American?

I wouldn't have thought so.


I did own a Ford Fiesta once, but it was made in Germany.

That's an ultra-compact for the USA. What did you think of it ?


The US makes the best aircraft, the best semiconductors, the best
computers, the best electronic instruments... lots of good things. But
the big3 auto makers have been paralyzed for decades by the unions and
their own bad management.

Are Boeing airliners really better than Airbuses ? Singapore Airlines LOVE their
A380s. They're performing beyond expectation.


What do you drive?

Saab. The choice of engineers and professionals generally.

Graham

No. Their heyday is quite passed. They were good until about 10 to
15 years ago.




About the time GM absorbed them is when the quality went to shit.

Said the OBVIOUS FORD loving total retard.

 

[JosephKK]

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:19:38 GMT, Jon Kirwan
<jonk@infinitefactors.org> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:11:57 +0000, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

It would be nice if things were otherwise, but putting your faith in
an article that was published in "Energy and Environment" is over-
optimistic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_and_Environment

Shoot the messenger again eh ?

It's a policy magazine that follows the political agenda of its
editor, by the editor's own admission. That doesn't mean it always
publishes garbage. To suggest that anyone is saying that is to put up
a strawman. I think Bill's point is simply that if you aren't going
to do the necessary work to actually gain your own comprehensive view
of an area of science, then placing one's faith (the only thing left
if one won't work for their own opinion) in a journal which publishes
on the basis of politics isn't wise. (Neither is relying exclusively
on blogs and comic books, which I'd normally think goes without saying
but in this case may be necessary.)

Jon

So that is what slowman uses.

 

[Mark F]

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:53:04 -0500, cavelamb himself
cavelamb@Xearthlink.net> wrote:


I have 10 extra tickets for the Robbie Knievel event at
"The Swamp" in Gainesville next weekend if anybody wants them.

He's going to try to jump 500 Obama supporters with a bull dozer.



Here! Here!!!



Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous
mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is
entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.


Today's e-mail brought me these:


Daffynitions:

Arbitrator: A cook that leaves Arby's to work at McDonalds

Avoidable: What a bullfighter tries to do.

Bernadette: The act of torching a mortgage.

Burglarize: What a crook sees with.

Control: A short, ugly inmate.

Counterfeiters: Workers who install kitchen counters

Eclipse: What an English barber does for a living.

Eyedropper: A clumsy ophthalmologist.

Heroes: What a guy in a boat does.

Left Bank: What the robber did when his bag was full of loot.

Misty: How golfers create divots.

Paradox: Two physicians

Parasites: What you see from the top of the Eiffel Tower

Pharmacist: A helper on the farm.

Polarize: What penguins see with.

Primate: Removing your spouse from in front of the TV

Relief: What trees do in the Spring.

Rubberneck: What you do to relax your wife.

Seamstress: Describes 250 pounds in a size 6 dress.

Selfish: What the owner of a seafood store does.

Sudafed: Brought litigation against a government official.

Subdued: Like, a guy who, like, works on one of those, like, submarines,
man.

Jeff
Troglodate - the one you wish had stayed in his / her cave...

/mark

 

[JosephKK]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:53:23 -0600, krw <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:

In article <Xns9B918F990558Fjyanikkuanet@74.209.136.87>,
jyanik@abuse.gov says...
krw <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote in
news:MPG.23d51a0b3ebfd9869897f4@news.individual.net:

In article <p3mmm4le9dh5iree92dbeht950gvslg43l@4ax.com>, To-Email-
Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com says...


That's why I recommend that Gaza be burned to the ground, tilled with
a tractor, then returned to Israel as farm land.

I thought you wanted it tilled with MOABs. Tractors and farmers
are too valuable to waste on "Palestinians".


MOABs were my idea.

I thought the MOAB *tilling* was JT's, though I'll take your word
for it.

I believe they are the present-day version of the "daisy cutter".

A "daisy cutter" is any bomb that's set to go off above ground (not
the nose probe); not good for tilling.

also the conventional weapon closest to a nuclear bomb.

Same, but hardened for penetration. Tilling required for
(hopefully occupied) tunnels.

I did not specify MOABs, but did specify churning the soil with bombs.
Not sure and don't care if i was first, JY may claim it 'e wants it.

 

[JosephKK]

On 12 Jan 2009 23:55:41 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

krw <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote in
news:MPG.23d55bb1d70fb3dc9897fa@news.individual.net:

In article <Xns9B918F990558Fjyanikkuanet@74.209.136.87>,
jyanik@abuse.gov says...
krw <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote in
news:MPG.23d51a0b3ebfd9869897f4@news.individual.net:

In article <p3mmm4le9dh5iree92dbeht950gvslg43l@4ax.com>, To-Email-
Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com says...


That's why I recommend that Gaza be burned to the ground, tilled with
a tractor, then returned to Israel as farm land.

I thought you wanted it tilled with MOABs. Tractors and farmers
are too valuable to waste on "Palestinians".


MOABs were my idea.

I thought the MOAB *tilling* was JT's, though I'll take your word
for it.

I believe they are the present-day version of the "daisy cutter".

A "daisy cutter" is any bomb that's set to go off above ground (not
the nose probe); not good for tilling.

also the conventional weapon closest to a nuclear bomb.

Same, but hardened for penetration. Tilling required for
(hopefully occupied) tunnels.





MOAB is NOT a penetrator bomb. Massive Ordinance AIR BLAST;MOAB.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-43_Massive_Ordnance_Air_Blast_bomb
2nd paragraph mentions it as a descendant of the BLU-82 "daisy cutter".


"Deep Throat",or GBU-28,is a deep penetrator.(1/4th the size of MOAB)
Also,MOP;Massive Ordinance Penetrator,a different version of MOAB.


and the massive overpressure of MOAB is intended to take care of tunnels.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/moab.htm

Each to their own, i will use all of them, air burst, surface burst,
penetrators, and whatever else works. Churn the soil, then move in
permanently.

 

[JosephKK]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:16:09 -0800 (PST), "J.A. Legris"
<jalegris@sympatico.ca> wrote:

On Jan 12, 12:50 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:21:07 -0800 (PST), "J.A. Legris"



jaleg...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On Jan 12, 11:28 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:08:47 -0800 (PST), JeffM <jef...@email.com
wrote:

HEBAbrothers wrote:
Saved their lives even one word
Why silence. ?
Did you see the neo-Nazis?

nuny@ bid.nes wrote:
There are two kinds of people in the world. One kind believes your
implicit condemnation of Jews as the new Nazis.

The other kind realizes that you do not see children as independent
beings who might have hopes and dreams of their own, who might
grow up to experience more of the world than the cramped,
choking view of it that your hate-filled vision prescribes;
that instead you see children as weapon delivery systems.
Mark L. Fergerson

http://www.palestine[...]

Mark left out an important point:
The warhead-tipped rockets that are being launched into Israel
are coming from residential areas
in hopes that this will limit retaliation

Or in hopes to create yet more martyrs? I suspect the creation of
civilian casualties is deliberate on the part of Hamas.

In a society that believes in polygamy, martyrdom and the rights of
loonie imams to make up law, life is cheap.

And a society that insists everyone pray 5 times a day, and has their
best and brightest study the Koran and not Feynman, might be expected
to fall behind the rest of the world, and resent it.

John

Then again, there's something about old traditional societies that
keeps them going through the worst of times. Individual rights and
freedoms are fine for individuals but ultimately it's the good of the
society that counts and it's still unclear whether the former reliably
leads to the latter. Traditional societies seem to be one form of
stable equilibrium. Are there other solutions? In view of industrial
democracy's tendency to quickly exhaust available natural resources it
may eventually prove to be a short-term aberration in a pattern of
long-term survival depending on "backwardness", low productivity and
oligarchy. Enjoy the party while it lasts, but prepare for one nasty
hangover.

You actually mean for the good of the shamans (aka Imams)... religious
scamming at its finest.

What a pile of shit you spew.

Oooops!  No wonder!  Just noticed leftist weenie label ;-)

                                        ...Jim Thompson

I'm no leftist weenie - I'm a pessimist weenie! Which is of course, in
my worldview, the same as being a realist. American culture is big on
unbridled optimism, which helps to get you through the tough times
caused by irrational exuberance.

Call your self anything you want. I perceive you as a piss ant that
wants everybody starving by the dung campfire again.

 

[krw]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:10:02 -0500, T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net>
wrote:

In article <MPG.23d8fe15b3e347d3989824@news.individual.net>,
krw@att.zzzzzzzzz says...
In article <59mtm49mpofommcena8kct20ksg82hc2io@4ax.com>,
quiettechblue@yahoo.com says...
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:39:46 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:20:44 +0000, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



krw wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
T wrote:
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com says...

I don't necessarily blame the paralysis on the unions. On the other hand
the perfect example is GM.

Several new Saturns are actually German Opels. Seems GM can't even design a car
any more.

...and Opel is owned by?

I know perfectly well who by. The Germans put the Americans to shame. Or can you
think of another reason why GM would be importing German cars and designs ?

The same reason other multi-national corporations "import designs"
from other subsidiaries, Dumb Donkey.

Opel won't go under. Neither will Saab, I expect. They actually have the technology.

What a dumb donkey. They are OWNED BY GM and will go where GM goes,
Dumbass Fugly Donkey.

And GM seems headed for bankruptcy, even with the bail out. Next.

Agreed, however

1) Saab will follow them, as a wholly owned subsidiary

2) "Bankruptcy" does not mean "end of operations".






Bankruptcy can have two forms in the corporate world. One is a re-
organization which typically discharges a lot of the debt and
liabilities of the company. That means retirement plans, shareholders,
et al.

Then there's liquidation where everything is sold off and the proceeds
distributed to the largest creditors and shareholders.

Wow! You're sure a sharp spoon.

 

[JosephKK]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:30:42 -0600, krw <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:

In article <agdnm4dml1n31mtq0te56horgr6spojjug@4ax.com>, To-Email-
Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com says...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:16:04 -0800 (PST), "J.A. Legris"
jalegris@sympatico.ca> wrote:

On Jan 12, 1:36 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:16:09 -0800 (PST), "J.A. Legris"

jaleg...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
industrial
democracy's tendency to quickly exhaust available natural resources

"...industrial democracy's tendency to quickly exhaust available
natural resources..."

What is it that's exhausted?


Tendency to quickly exhaust is just that, a tendency, but the
potential outcome looms large.

Many species of fish are headed toward or have experienced population
collapse.

And are coming back, now that quota controls are in place.

Fresh water supplies are widely threatened.

Where? My #2 daughter is heavily involved with water. The worst
water you can drink is in bottles.

Old-growth
forests are nearly gone.

Replaced with new-growth. Doh!

Urbanization continues to destroy animal
habitats.

Horse feathers! There was just a National Geographics show about
hawks in downtown NYC. And, around here in southern Phoenix, you may
lose your dog to an owl ;-)

New landfills are nearly impossible to establish.

Only if they're not managed properly.... again only back in
weenie-land.

*ONLY* because of NIMBY weenies. ...particularly those who moved
next to where a landfill has been planned for decades.

Why do you think they moved there?

Honeybees
are dying off for unknown reasons.

They're coming back around here, now that the Africanized version have
proven not to cope with cold weather.


Minerals? America's domestic oil supply is trailing off.

You are monumentally ignorant. We have more oil on our own shores
than in all the middle-east. The weenies will, however, prevent its
drilling... pain to eastern weenies only ;-)

Peak oil may
be behind us. Antimony, sliver, platinum, indium, tantalum, and even
zinc, copper and nickel all have uncertain futures.

I can hardly wait for you weenies to succumb to global xxxx-ing, so we
can get on with living, instead of whining.

Stop Global Whining!

But there's one thing that's never in short supply: humans who
aspire
to the consumptive, wasteful lifestyle of industrial democracies. Is
there a happy ending here?

Go slit your own throat and do us all a favor.

Send Slowman ahead.