Driver to drive?

[BobW]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:5ta6c4dt6ncbumc9ng9d4n8p9orkei38ja@4ax.com...

Hi,

We're in the process of buying a cabin up in Truckee, a 3-4 hour drive
from home. That's serious snow territory, so I was figuring we could
set up a remote-access home automation system. We'd like to monitor a
few in/out temperatures, control the thermostat, maybe some lights,
and a couple of cams would be cool. Decent DSL is apparently
available.

Any advice/recommendations/warnings?

Truckee very often has the record low city temperature in the
contiguous USA, especially in the summer. They can have frost any day
of the year. Tomorrow's prediction is 85F high, 34 low. Sounds like a
good candidate for some sort of heat storage system.

John

I haven't used this controller, but I did convert my house from X10 to
Z-Wave components and it works extremely well.

http://www.homeseer.com/products/pro_series/pro-100-2007.htm

By the way, I drove through Truckee once. It was closed.

Bob
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[Kris Krieger]

don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote in
news:slrngc4790.asv.don@manx.misty.com:

In article <48C0AD12.B47C48DE@hotmail.com>, Eeyore wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
JSprocket wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:

... made a claim about folk in Greenland growing grapes.

If they'd grown grapes, Leif Eiriksson wouldn't have been so
impressed when Tyrker found the grapes in Vinland, wherever that
was.

It is also worth noting here that Icelandic saga records of this
trip refer to Greenland as covered in distinctive ice mountains
(not exactly hospitable terrain).

So how did they grow grain ? You denialist you.

Not quite the whole island is covered with ice yearround. There are
towns there. The big yearround ice sheet covers about 81% of the
island.

These homesteads weren't in those locations.

FFS, read it up YOURSELF ! Or are you afraid your religion might crumble
?

Who is to be afraid to know that Greenland's WSW coast from about
28-30%
of the way from Qaanaaq/Thule down to the southern tip is non-icebound
well-inland? And there are a few notable towns there on the southern
half of Greenland's west coast, with dual names including names that
surely appear "Nordic" to me!

THe Vikings had settlements there for a few hundred years. When the
climate cooled and the fjords became ice-bound, they couldn't get out and
supply ships couldn't get in (this was coupled with political problem in
the homeland, whcih also reduced supply shipments). The settlements
eventually collapsed. But before the fjords became icebound, thre were
grassy areas and low shrubbery, which were used for the grazing of sheep
and some cattle, and IIRC they also grew and harvested hay to feed the
livestock through the Winter.

THere is a good treatment of the topic in _Collapse_ by Jared Diamond.


HTH

 

[Kris Krieger]

JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1u76c4hdmduk0al9927cfednv4u208or4a@4ax.com:

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:01:24 -0500, Kris Krieger <me@dowmuff.in
wrote:
[snip]

I think that there should be some consideration of teh unborn - I despise
partial birth abortion, for example, *unless* it has a sound medical
rationale, becasue there is no way someone can be pregnant for that long
and ust up and decide, "To hell with this" - if they don't want the kid,
they can wait a couple more weeks and then give it up for adoption.

You are far kinder than i on this.

Mainly becasue I don't know percisely what it is, and I try to avoid speaking
in certainties when I haven't got the info. So I'm going by what I *think*
it is. If I knew more, I might agree with your view that:

There is no such thing as partial
birth abortion, it is a deliberate mislabel of infanticide.

I
also don't think that abortion is an ethical means of repeated birth
control - and yup, some women do have them over and over and over. IMO,
it's stupid, because it can be dangerous to the woman's health, but beyond
that, I am not convinced that it's "right".

In many cases it is an excuse for not bothering to control one's self.

True. I can see soemone slipping up once and getting into a bad situation,
btu I have littel patience for the ones who do it over and over and over just
because they don't give a damn about much of anything (other than getting
boffed).

The only question that needs to be asked on the
Anti-abortion/Pro-Choice question is, "Whose property are you"?

Do you own your own organs, or are they the property of the
bureaucracy, or, worst of all, the Pope?

I don't think it's that simple. I do think there are ethical questions
that go beyond that.

If so what are they?

What I meant was, I think there is a huge, how to say, intirim space in
between "against any/all abortion" and "complete choice". One issue is, as
was mentioned above, partial birth abortion - complete choice allows it. But
when a fetus has developed to the point where it is viable, IMO, it's not
just a question of whetehr the woman controls her own body - at that point,
it is an ethical question of whetehr a viable baby should be delivered as
opposed to aborted.

Even before that, I think it's somehting that a woman needs to (or ought to)
think long and hard about. I believe in choice, but some choices shouldn't
be made cavalierly. It *is* a developing life, and unique, and I think that
fact makes the decision automatically include questions of ethics, and
balancing all the factors. It's not like deciding whether to buy teh green
shoes or the blue shoes - or at least I don't think it should be, although
obviously a few women do seem to treat it like it is.

But, all that being said, I also don't think it's my place (or anyoen else's)
to deny a woman the right to control her body, especially in the first
trimester, and especially when there are extenuating circumstances such as
health problems or rape or so on.

Abortion is IMO not something that should be done
flippantly or lightly.

Totally agreed here.



If government power doesn't stop at our skin, then pretty words like
"Freedom" and "Liberty" and "Self-determination" become nothing but
another pile of empty campaign buzzwords.

AND this is all notwithstanding the very glaring fact that
anti-choice-ism
is the practically exclusive purview of the Roman Catholic church,
making it a flagrantly unconstitional imposition of religion.

Thanks,
Rich

No, not just Catholicism - many (and I'd guess most) fundamentalist
CHristians, and quit epossibly other fundamentalist religions, have a
similar view.

THe thing is that religion, or especially spirital beelifs, do not in and
of themselves mean that an complete anti-choice position is inevitable -
it's just that it's the tenet of certain religiouns/religious sects.


Well, you left out the notion that frankly, we have much bigger issues
to deal with.
Like the Economy, Energy, Healthcare, Foreign Policy, etc....

That's true. And IMO, it's disgusting that they all too often take a back
seat to somethign that, quite frankly, completely irrelevant to National
affairs. Same with the Civil UNions 'debate' - we're talking, what, maybe
2% of the whole population, as though they can somehow bring down all of
Western civilization - sorry, ain't gonna ahppen. Pathetically, tho',
politicians have *forcibly* injected it into the debate because they know
that they can use the argument to sway a certain segment of the voting
population which prefers to swallow simple, easily-digested tidbits,
rather than try to think about complex national affairs.

Beyond that much of national affairs can be approximately in clear
simple terms. The choice not to is exclusionary and i resent it. Nor
does it stop me or anybody from being well informed much of the time.

I think what you're saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that, if someone
cares to take the time, complex national affairs can be explained, much as
physics and otehr scientific concepts can be explained in layman's terms (as
has been doen in some excellent books), and that there is no excuse (aside
from deliberate obfuscation) for a candidate to not try to do so. And also,
that if, in fact, this information does exist, it is the responsibility of
each citizen to at elast try to understand the information, and make voting
decisions based upon that understanding and to not make that effort is sheer
lazyassedness.

I think that's what you're saying...I like to try to remember to check when
I'm not sure.


The above is why I said "preference", that some people prefer sound-bites to
real information. It *can* be difficult to set aside one's preconceptions
and try to look dispassionately at the various viewpoints, and some people
simply do not want to make the effort. What irks me is when people vote
someone into office, and then bitch because the person does exactly what he
said he'd do - but it benefits the non-thinkers far less than they had chosen
to *imagine*. ((Which is different, of course, from someone getting into
office, and then *not* doing what he said...))

By comparison, I could give a hoot if a few clumps of cells (which
might otherwise someday develop into a baby) are aborted. Though I
can't say with clarity at what point I start to get queasy i.e., late
term abortions, etc... But even then, let's fix the other stuff
first.

-mpm


Exactly. THere are far more important issues. Unfortunately, those tend
to get glossed over, abd replaced with snapy sound-bites.


Try to find a copy of "the hidden persuaders". It was required for
one of my high school courses.

Is this it?
http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Persuaders-Vance-Packard/dp/097884310X/ref=sr_1_
1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220758677&sr=8-1

I like it when folks offer book references; there were some reviews that did
pique my interest, so it's on my Amazon Wish List.

Thanks!

- Kris

 

[Kris Krieger]

Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in
news:1IEwk.36476$Fr1.23151@newsfe03.iad:

Kris Krieger wrote:

[snip]

I'm probably remembering something wrong, then...

But I'm still wondering what the difference is between a Solar Panel
and an encapsulated Solar Cell.

- Kris
Just smaller panels in a frame set that electrically connection them
together with a protective package around them, transparent normally
with a single pair of wires for the DC output.

Oh, OK!

Thanks! -

- Kris

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <48C22BF2.F7253D6@hotmail.com>, Eeyore wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
JSprocket wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:

... made a claim about folk in Greenland growing grapes.

If they'd grown grapes, Leif Eiriksson wouldn't have been so impressed
when Tyrker found the grapes in Vinland, wherever that was.

Around the same period and presumed to be somewhere on what is now the
Canadian coast.

You think we need an MWP warmer than we are now to grow grapes in
Canada? Canada has wine country in Ontario, across the Niagara River from
NY State.

Well, I learnt something. I guess you don't export much though ?

To where don't I export much? What don't I export much of?

Oh silly me. Maybe it should have been more obvious that anadian wine
doesn't get a world audience.

You think I am Canadian? I live in USA, in Pennsylvania near
Philadelphia.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <48C22D2B.F41DB72E@hotmail.com>, Eeyore wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
JSprocket wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:

... made a claim about folk in Greenland growing grapes.

If they'd grown grapes, Leif Eiriksson wouldn't have been so impressed
when Tyrker found the grapes in Vinland, wherever that was.

It is also worth noting here that Icelandic saga records of this trip
refer to Greenland as covered in distinctive ice mountains (not exactly
hospitable terrain). Wild flights of fancy distort some of this material
but a fair translation of the Vinland voyages seems to be:

So how do you explain the settlements on Greenland in what are now
ice bound areas ?

Look at the Wiki article on Greenland - most of the coast is in the
roughly 19% of Greenland that is not icebound.

Irrelevant to where the homesteads were found.

What - do you believe those MWP-era homesteads were not in coastal
areas of Greenland?

They were near to the coast but in areas now icebound.

Since most of coastal Greenland is not icebound, you suppose the Vikings
only homesteaded in the small minority of coastal Greenland that is?

Have you ever heard of Google ? OR indeed making an effort to learn the
TRUTH ?

So I Google Greenland Vikings

First hit is:

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland/

Click on the map there and see the "western settlement" and the "eastern
settlement".

The "western settlement" is the region around Nuuk/Godthab. Little of
that shaded area is in the region indicated by the Wiki article on
Greenland to be under the icecap.

The "eastern settlement" is the south coastal area. The shaded area for
that one in the map in the above link is also mostly on land that the Wiki
Greenland article map indicates is currently not under the icecap.

Greenlander ruins still dot the landcape - does that sound icebound?

Photos in the above link show non-icebound land. I already saw 5 photos
in the above link showing vegetated land, 3 of which showed fairly lush
grassy land, 2 of which also had flowers.

Is that icebound?

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <48C22CB2.ECBE6382@hotmail.com>, Eeyore wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
JSprocket wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:

... made a claim about folk in Greenland growing grapes.

If they'd grown grapes, Leif Eiriksson wouldn't have been so impressed
when Tyrker found the grapes in Vinland, wherever that was.

It is also worth noting here that Icelandic saga records of this trip
refer to Greenland as covered in distinctive ice mountains (not exactly
hospitable terrain).

So how did they grow grain ? You denialist you.

Not quite the whole island is covered with ice yearround. There are
towns there. The big yearround ice sheet covers about 81% of the island.

These homesteads weren't in those locations.

FFS, read it up YOURSELF ! Or are you afraid your religion might crumble ?

Who is to be afraid to know that Greenland's WSW coast from about 28-30%
of the way from Qaanaaq/Thule down to the southern tip is non-icebound
well-inland? And there are a few notable towns there on the southern
half of Greenland's west coast, with dual names including names that
surely appear "Nordic" to me!

You obviously didn't do the right research. You just wanted to confirm you own
stupid claims.

Well you have 2 choices

1: do some proper research

2: stay dumb, ignorant and happy.

Most of Greenland's coast is not icebound. Wherever the Vikings had
there settlements on Greenland is probably along the majority of
Greenland's coast that is currently not under the icecap.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Phil Allison]

"George Herold" <gherold@teachspin.com>

So I'm ready for the next stage solution. The first time I read Jim
Williams article on the Weinbridge oscillators (this is also in one of
his books.) I didn't quite "get" the integrator FET solution to the
gain control problem and the light bulb looked like such a simple
idea. (I also loved that it was the begining of HP) But I've
advanced since then and am now ready to try this other circuit.

-----------------------------------

How about a new and much better oscillator circuit ???

A simple one that does not use bulbs or strange JFETs to stabilise it.

One that can be made with a single quad op-amp ( eg TL074 ) and no special
parts.

One that exhibits no amplitude bounce when adjusting the frequency or range
changing.

One that has constant THD of 0.15% from 2 Hz to 10kHz.

One that has flat amplitude ( +/- 1% ) over that same frequency range.

------------------------------


See ABSE ( alt.binaries.schematics.electronic ) for the schem of a " Low
Distortion Oscillator " design I developed 20 years back and was published
in Electronics Australia magazine in February & March 1989.

The circuit use two all pass filters as a "phase shifting" oscillator with
harmonic distortion cancellation ( IC2b). As shown, the output level is 2.5
volts rms - which can easily be increased. Just ask me.

Ignore thermistor TH1 which for very low THD only - the 4 diodes and
resistor network is all you need.

Tuning is done with a standard double gang pot with both halves grounded at
one end. A simple Schmitt trigger square wave converter is there too, if
you want that.

BTW: This the device you are working on ?

http://www.teachspin.com/instruments/signal_processor/index.shtml




....... Phil

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <48C22EE9.8E6B9F37@hotmail.com>, Eeyore wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Even today's mild warming seems to be readjusting the local weather
patterns to an inconvenient extent.

It's COOLING !

http://www.paulmacrae.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/
watts-temp-chart-from-hadley.jpg

Stops at the bottom of the La Nina dip of January 2007.

I have a HadCRUT link, with notation of which HadCRUT dataset: HadCUT-3
global, monthly and annual, with monthly figures up to August 2008.

Your linked graph has that "flat region" .4 C, followed by a downturn.
However, August HadCRUT-3 has August global temperature anomaly at .403 C.
We are most of the way done with the greatest La Nina in 20 years.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt

Find that from: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/#datdow

Find that from: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

I'm sure you can massage such data to say whatever you want it to say.

Except I don't - here I only quoted it!

You quoted massaged data.

What's massaged about HadCRUT? HadCRUT is good enough for your cited:

(repeat of a quotation found above)

http://www.paulmacrae.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/
watts-temp-chart-from-hadley.jpg

(Which did not say which HadCRUT dataset they used, and I did say which
one I quoted from Hadley Centre - with links)

HadCRUT is good enough for The Register's "A Tale of Two Thermometers"
article. They used HadCRUT-3v, which is a variance-adjusted (less raw
derivitave of) HadCRUT-3.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <Xns9B11E1539AF77meadowmuffin@216.168.3.70>, Kris Krieger wrote:

don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote in
news:slrngc4790.asv.don@manx.misty.com:

In article <48C0AD12.B47C48DE@hotmail.com>, Eeyore wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
JSprocket wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:

... made a claim about folk in Greenland growing grapes.

If they'd grown grapes, Leif Eiriksson wouldn't have been so
impressed when Tyrker found the grapes in Vinland, wherever that
was.

It is also worth noting here that Icelandic saga records of this
trip refer to Greenland as covered in distinctive ice mountains
(not exactly hospitable terrain).

So how did they grow grain ? You denialist you.

Not quite the whole island is covered with ice yearround. There are
towns there. The big yearround ice sheet covers about 81% of the
island.

These homesteads weren't in those locations.

FFS, read it up YOURSELF ! Or are you afraid your religion might crumble
?

Who is to be afraid to know that Greenland's WSW coast from about
28-30%
of the way from Qaanaaq/Thule down to the southern tip is non-icebound
well-inland? And there are a few notable towns there on the southern
half of Greenland's west coast, with dual names including names that
surely appear "Nordic" to me!

THe Vikings had settlements there for a few hundred years. When the
climate cooled and the fjords became ice-bound, they couldn't get out and
supply ships couldn't get in (this was coupled with political problem in
the homeland, whcih also reduced supply shipments). The settlements
eventually collapsed. But before the fjords became icebound, thre were
grassy areas and low shrubbery, which were used for the grazing of sheep
and some cattle, and IIRC they also grew and harvested hay to feed the
livestock through the Winter.

THere is a good treatment of the topic in _Collapse_ by Jared Diamond.

There are now photos of grassy and even flowery land where Viking ruins
are:

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland/

The coastal waters along the west coast of Greenland have been far from
icebound the past 2 months according to the Canadian Ice Service, and
are currently not.

http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/App/WsvPageDsp.cfm?ID=1&Lang=eng

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[BobW]

"Herbert John "Jackie" Gleason" <BufordTJustice@Texarkanacops.gov> wrote in
message news:k3o6c492sq6471n9cf11ee38vutipad3b9@4ax.com...

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:52:14 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:

Robert Baer wrote:

Will pay reasonable shipping costs - but please ask only if you can
use a given item set.

1) 6 sets ferrite cores P14/8/I-3C81-A400 (ie: gapped) and retaining
clips.

2) Rather old, untested, Analog Devices 310J amplifier module 3L x 1.5W
x 0.75H.

3) Misc old but good electrolytic caps, and various digital ICs; aded
some analog parts.

4a) Ye Olde "Q" meter; very well packed for shipping, and i will pay
the first
$50 of shipping.
4b) Incomplete meter has been gutted, due to lack of interest.
Available from it is:
* the meters: "Q" panel meter (0-250) is 100uAFS; the "Multiply Q by"
panel meter is 145uAFS;
* dual variable cap: 14-485pF and 10-245pF, 5"long including shaft, 3.25
wide, 2" high;
* power transformer and choke;
* Acme Electric 50VA line regulating transformer (refurbished);
* other misc parts: potsm fuse holder,momentary on/off/on toggle, etc.

5) G.E. maggie GL-5J29 no magnet.
Good vacuum, presumedly still works. "Classified" stampped on it; made
for use in England for the war.
Is there any museum that would like to add this to their collection?

6) *taken*: Promise Ultra 133 TX2 PCI ATA Controller
7) Good for power xmitter: variable cap 34-1134F, 6"wide, 4"high, 9"
long including shaft.
8) HP310A wave analyzer with manual.

Will pay reasonable shipping costs - but please ask only if you can
use a given item set.


That's funny, not only did I not know that this group was a for sale
group, but I thought it was actually explicitly noted as unacceptable
behavior in the group's charter. Not to mention that it has nothing to
do with design.

Uhhh...he's giving this stuff away out of the goodness of his heart. Others
will then use these for their designs.

But, really, thanks for trying to protect us from ourselves, Jackieass.

Bob
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[Don Klipstein]

In article <48C36B50.36A76AEE@hotmail.com>, Eeyore wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
JSprocket wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:

... made a claim about folk in Greenland growing grapes.

If they'd grown grapes, Leif Eiriksson wouldn't have been so impressed
when Tyrker found the grapes in Vinland, wherever that was.

It is also worth noting here that Icelandic saga records of this trip
refer to Greenland as covered in distinctive ice mountains (not exactly
hospitable terrain).

So how did they grow grain ? You denialist you.

Not quite the whole island is covered with ice yearround. There are
towns there. The big yearround ice sheet covers about 81% of the island.

These homesteads weren't in those locations.

FFS, read it up YOURSELF ! Or are you afraid your religion might crumble ?

Who is to be afraid to know that Greenland's WSW coast from about 28-30%
of the way from Qaanaaq/Thule down to the southern tip is non-icebound
well-inland? And there are a few notable towns there on the southern
half of Greenland's west coast, with dual names including names that
surely appear "Nordic" to me!

You obviously didn't do the right research. You just wanted to confirm you own
stupid claims.

Well you have 2 choices

1: do some proper research

2: stay dumb, ignorant and happy.

Most of Greenland's coast is not icebound. Wherever the Vikings had
there settlements on Greenland is probably along the majority of
Greenland's coast that is currently not under the icecap.

Google maps shows the area as white.

As of now,

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

shows some fair amount of coastal Greenland to not be white.

Also consider that Google maps are often several months old. They could
easily be showing significant portions of Greenland from a time of year
when the non-icebound areas have a fair chance of having seasonal snow
cover.

Please keep in mind that Greenland has had at times when cameras
existed Viking ruins in areas that have had photographed grassy vegetation
and some vegetation producing flowers!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Phil Allison]

"John Fields"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlvUepMa31o

** Ahhhhh !!

Finally someone has combined classical piano with Cuisenaire !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisenaire_rods


Should blend nicely with any of Bach's fugues for piano or harpsichord -

like this one:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=O5FrM2q2IxQ

LSD trips for classic music freaks with Asperger's.




...... Phil

 

[Mook Johnson]

"X.Y." <Xieyu1219@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:49df731b-886f-4ece-84a4-2cd4cab5cb4b@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

It seems that they just has a difference on the magnitude.

P.S. It is a OOK signal on receiver.

The wave on oscillograph can be found on the following link:

http://att.newsmth.net/att.php?s.172.248797.578.png

Thanks in advance!

First set use bandpass filter around your carrier frequency to eliminate the
out of band signals. then just do the normal OOK decoding of rectification
and LP filtering then set the thrshold between the max and min values.

looks like you have a decent level change that should be fairly reliable.

If it needs ultimate reliability.

1) move your OOK carrier frequency to a clean spectrum,
2) clean up the noise? Maybe should have been 1.

 

[TheM]

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ga0fen$8rg$1@aioe.org...

Of course many would be scared that a nuclear reactor would fall on their head,
but the fuel cost would be very very low.

I'd prefer not to have reactors flaying over my head.

Why not reinvent Zepellin? Low fuel consumption, you can also put
solar cells over part of its huge body to power it.

Mark

 

[TheM]

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6ii4ufFqkcvqU8@mid.individual.net...

IMO the battery tech has finally been sorted. LiFeP seems to fit the bill perfectly. Any improvements from now on is a bonus. 200+
miles with an overnight recharge and a 5000 deep discharge life is good enough for most people.

Except for the sky-high price.

M

 

[Kris Krieger]

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote in
news:6ii4ufFqkcvqU8@mid.individual.net:

[snip]

IMO the battery tech has finally been sorted. LiFeP seems to fit the
bill perfectly. Any improvements from now on is a bonus. 200+ miles with
an overnight recharge and a 5000 deep discharge life is good enough for
most people.

I either saw or read something (can't recall ) to the effect that, in
addition to a battery, and in addition to being rechargeable via plug, a car
can be outfitted with a very small gas-sipping motor that recharges the
batteries when they get low.

 

[Kris Krieger]

don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote in
news:slrngc6mdf.bsa.don@manx.misty.com:

In article <Xns9B11E1539AF77meadowmuffin@216.168.3.70>, Kris Krieger
wrote:
don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote in
news:slrngc4790.asv.don@manx.misty.com:
[snip]

Who is to be afraid to know that Greenland's WSW coast from about
28-30%
of the way from Qaanaaq/Thule down to the southern tip is non-icebound
well-inland? And there are a few notable towns there on the southern
half of Greenland's west coast, with dual names including names that
surely appear "Nordic" to me!

THe Vikings had settlements there for a few hundred years. When the
climate cooled and the fjords became ice-bound, they couldn't get out
and supply ships couldn't get in (this was coupled with political
problem in the homeland, whcih also reduced supply shipments). The
settlements eventually collapsed. But before the fjords became
icebound, thre were grassy areas and low shrubbery, which were used for
the grazing of sheep and some cattle, and IIRC they also grew and
harvested hay to feed the livestock through the Winter.

THere is a good treatment of the topic in _Collapse_ by Jared Diamond.

There are now photos of grassy and even flowery land where Viking
ruins
are:

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland/

The coastal waters along the west coast of Greenland have been far
from
icebound the past 2 months according to the Canadian Ice Service, and
are currently not.

http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/App/WsvPageDsp.cfm?ID=1&Lang=eng

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

True enough.
Cycles do occur but there is also such a thing as exacerbating an existing
situation. IOW, the question is not whetehr global warming is *all*
anthropogenic, the question is, To what extent do human activities turn a
natural cycle that could be handled (by both the plant and humans) into
something that cannot.

So, yes, Vikings did have settlements in Greenland for a few hundred
years, until the planetary cycle made teh seas and fjords too icy to
permit travel and imports by ship; and yes, Greenland's ice is currently
retreating. But as above, IMO, although poeple do argue taht the planet
has had thousands of warming-cooling cycles, the important question is to
what extent are humans turning anatural cycle into a potential disaster.

 

[Kris Krieger]

JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:u5n7c4lj4jk3h9ehojhh1rlnckounu5nf1@4ax.com:

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:52:03 -0500, Kris Krieger <me@dowmuff.in
wrote:

JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1u76c4hdmduk0al9927cfednv4u208or4a@4ax.com:

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:01:24 -0500, Kris Krieger <me@dowmuff.in
wrote:
[snip]


I think that there should be some consideration of teh unborn - I
despise partial birth abortion, for example, *unless* it has a sound
medical rationale, becasue there is no way someone can be pregnant for
that long and ust up and decide, "To hell with this" - if they don't
want the kid, they can wait a couple more weeks and then give it up
for adoption.

You are far kinder than i on this.

Mainly becasue I don't know percisely what it is, and I try to avoid
speaking in certainties when I haven't got the info. So I'm going by
what I *think* it is. If I knew more, I might agree with your view
that:

There is no such thing as partial
birth abortion, it is a deliberate mislabel of infanticide.



The supposed term is actually quite nearly self descriptive; the
pregnancy is allowed to go full term, including birth but before the
body emerges the infant' neck is wrung to terminate it. I wrote this
a bit graphically but it is essentially the same as the one on the NIH
web site.

It took me a bit before I could weven write anything. I'm stunned. I knew
it was extreme but I didn't know it was *that* extreme.

If the baby is actually being born, and it's viable/reasonably healthy, why
the heck not just take advantage of the Safe Haven laws?

THere is no advantage whatsoever to the woman if she's already gone through
the physical demands of pregnancy and birth - like, 12" more and then some
family might have a child to adopt. Even if the fetus is severely ill with
something that would lead to death once it's no longer connected to teh
mother's physiology, it's not as tho' that can't be determined a lot
earlier. So I don't see the rationale, especially with the Safe Haven laws
that are now in effect.


[edited/snipped]

Beyond that much of national affairs can be approximately in clear
simple terms. The choice not to is exclusionary and i resent it. Nor
does it stop me or anybody from being well informed much of the time.

I think what you're saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that, if someone
cares to take the time, complex national affairs can be explained, much
as physics and otehr scientific concepts can be explained in layman's
terms (as has been doen in some excellent books), and that there is no
excuse (aside from deliberate obfuscation) for a candidate to not try to
do so. And also, that if, in fact, this information does exist, it is
the responsibility of each citizen to at elast try to understand the
information, and make voting decisions based upon that understanding and
to not make that effort is sheer lazyassedness.

I think that's what you're saying...I like to try to remember to check
when I'm not sure.

Pretty nearly. The information should not be hard to find and it
often is. This rebalances the issues between citizen laziness versus
government obfuscation / dishonesty.

Actually, here is a great non-partisan site that eliminates the inane
insult-festing and offers summaries of McCain's and Obama's platforms in a
concise bulletted-oputline format:

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/news/0806/gallery.election_issues/index
..html

There are still questions to eb asked, but it's at least a very good
starting point. Hopefully, some major magazines will also publish this
sort of direct, non-partisan, insult-free comparison, tho' perhaps with
additional details.

[snip]

Try to find a copy of "the hidden persuaders". It was required for
one of my high school courses.


Is this it?
http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Persuaders-Vance-Packard/dp/097884310X/ref=s
r_1_ 1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220758677&sr=8-1

I like it when folks offer book references; there were some reviews that
did pique my interest, so it's on my Amazon Wish List.

Thanks!

- Kris

I would say it is a much updated version of the book i needed / read
for school.

Sounds good to me

 

[Kris Krieger]

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote in
news:6iigmqFqkh44U1@mid.individual.net:

Eeyore wrote:

Kris Krieger wrote:

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote
IMO the battery tech has finally been sorted. LiFeP seems to fit the
bill perfectly. Any improvements from now on is a bonus. 200+ miles
with an overnight recharge and a 5000 deep discharge life is good
enough for most people.
I either saw or read something (can't recall ) to the effect that,
in addition to a battery, and in addition to being rechargeable via
plug, a car can be outfitted with a very small gas-sipping motor that
recharges the batteries when they get low.

I'm not sure if this a joke or not but yes, they're called series
hybrids. A sub1 litre engine (diesel for best efficiency) is probably
all that's needed since it only has to provide *average* power not peak
power for acceleration.

Yup, IIRC it pretty much just serves to "top off" the battery.

So I guess it's basically just spinning a copper coil and magnet rotor to
create the charge...? (I dunno - Newbie/Learner here, not an EE )

You might also like to look at this.
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/09/10/meet-the-euro-volt-opel-flextrem
e-concept-has-ultra-low-emissio/

Cool link

THe comments are "interesting" - not one person suggested doing what some
people are already doing - setting up a solar panel to generate electricity
for the electric car (and the rest going towards powering the house). THe
point isn't so much what ti all costs *now*, but what it will cost (and how
that cost will compare with grid-eelctricity proces) when thei scomes on
line. Especially if both candiates are honest about incrasing RR& and mfg
of renewable energy technologies.

All in all, more people seem to be dedicated to shooting down ideas, rather
than putting any thought into how new technologies can be made workable -
if such naysayers had gotten their way some years ago, we wouldn't be
communicating over the internet (or even have desktop computers, never
miond laptops).

I can just imagine what it was like when the wheel was invented - "Now,
Zog, WTF is *that* dumbass POS? You are such a f*ckttard moron, who the
hell is goign to use that, when they can just use a travois?"

I understand it is now in production status, targeted for 2012/3
release. Just get rid of those stupid Segways.

Graham


The Segways indicate that it will be very high price.

Actually, I like the Hatchback overall, but not the window extending over
the driver's head - I'd probably have it tinted, tho', because I don't want
the have the hot sun beating down on my head . I've had a Honda
hatchback (back in the late 1980's) and a Probe hatchback (1990 model,
which had a *lot* of room, unlike the later models - I liked that car best
of all I had, except that it was bloody expensive to fix, since it had a
Mazda engine).

At any rate, the article did not say that the Segways are *incldued*, just
that there is a space, with a charging outlet, for 2 of them. IMO, tho',
that ought to be optional. AlthoughI suppose someone will come up withthe
idea of making an emergency diesel-fuel can that will fit into the space