Dodgy H11F1 opto-FET's?

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Lostgallifreyan

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Has anyone got any thoughts about this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170158848446

I asked the seller about postage from Germany to UK, and sending secure
delivery of euros as he doesn't use PayPal, and the seller didn't answer my
questions but instead responded with this:

"We have got 2000stk (H11F1 DC/ 9922) and 1000stk (H11F1 DC/ 9934) , when
you want you can buy it all. What would you pay for?"

I don't recognise those codings from Fairchild's site, so I asked about
that, and why they're specified as Shmitt trigger FET when Fairchild
specify them for high linearity and use as a variable resistance, something
Schmitt responses aren't designed for. I allowed for the possibility that
Fairchild might not be the only makers, and asked about that too. I've
twice asked this now, three days apart, but the seller refuses to reply.

This looks extremely dodgy to me, surely someone who knows what they're
selling would answer quickly to someone who sounded like they knew what
they might be buying and wasn't sure of a few details.
 
Lostgallifreyan schrieb:
Has anyone got any thoughts about this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170158848446

I asked the seller about postage from Germany to UK, and sending secure
delivery of euros as he doesn't use PayPal, and the seller didn't answer my
questions but instead responded with this:

"We have got 2000stk (H11F1 DC/ 9922) and 1000stk (H11F1 DC/ 9934) , when
you want you can buy it all. What would you pay for?"

I don't recognise those codings from Fairchild's site, so I asked about
Click to expand...
What is it that you fail to recognize? The seller seems to be less
than fluent in English as he wrote "2000stk" and "1000stk" (i.e. "2000
Stück" and "1000 Stück" ) for "2000 pieces" and "1000 pieces". The
Fairchild H11F1 datasheet specifies the datecode as XXYY where XX two digit year code, and YY = two digit work week ranging from 01 to
53. So that looks ok.

that, and why they're specified as Shmitt trigger FET when Fairchild
specify them for high linearity and use as a variable resistance, something
Schmitt responses aren't designed for. I allowed for the possibility that
Fairchild might not be the only makers, and asked about that too. I've
twice asked this now, three days apart, but the seller refuses to reply.
Click to expand...
He is probably fed up with English that is above his head and with
technical details he doesn't know about (like what uses the things can
advantageously be put to, and who in the world has made them) and may
also fear trouble. It can be a headache to transfer "small" amounts of
money between Britain and Euroland. Among his payment options are Cash
on Collection (how does this work?), Cash On Delivery (if the
international carrier cooperates), and Bank Transfer (which can be
costly).

(Btw, it's "Schmitt trigger" :).)

This looks extremely dodgy to me, surely someone who knows what they're
selling would answer quickly to someone who sounded like they knew what
they might be buying and wasn't sure of a few details.
Click to expand...
I had a look at the offer, and the above are my thoughts. Can't spot
anything obviously dodgy here.

Martin (who owes you a reply).
 
"clicliclic@freenet.de" <clicliclic@freenet.de> wrote in
news:1192938618.036349.226230@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

Lostgallifreyan schrieb:
Has anyone got any thoughts about this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170158848446

I asked the seller about postage from Germany to UK, and sending
secure delivery of euros as he doesn't use PayPal, and the seller
didn't answer
my
questions but instead responded with this:

"We have got 2000stk (H11F1 DC/ 9922) and 1000stk (H11F1 DC/ 9934) ,
when you want you can buy it all. What would you pay for?"

I don't recognise those codings from Fairchild's site, so I asked
about

What is it that you fail to recognize? The seller seems to be less
than fluent in English as he wrote "2000stk" and "1000stk" (i.e. "2000
Stück" and "1000 Stück" ) for "2000 pieces" and "1000 pieces". The
Fairchild H11F1 datasheet specifies the datecode as XXYY where XX two
digit year code, and YY = two digit work week ranging from 01 to 53.
So that looks ok.

that, and why they're specified as Shmitt trigger FET when Fairchild
specify them for high linearity and use as a variable resistance,
somethi
ng
Schmitt responses aren't designed for. I allowed for the possibility
that Fairchild might not be the only makers, and asked about that
too. I've twice asked this now, three days apart, but the seller
refuses to reply.

He is probably fed up with English that is above his head and with
technical details he doesn't know about (like what uses the things can
advantageously be put to, and who in the world has made them) and may
also fear trouble. It can be a headache to transfer "small" amounts of
money between Britain and Euroland. Among his payment options are Cash
on Collection (how does this work?), Cash On Delivery (if the
international carrier cooperates), and Bank Transfer (which can be
costly).

(Btw, it's "Schmitt trigger" :).)


This looks extremely dodgy to me, surely someone who knows what
they're selling would answer quickly to someone who sounded like they
knew what they might be buying and wasn't sure of a few details.

I had a look at the offer, and the above are my thoughts. Can't spot
anything obviously dodgy here.

Martin (who owes you a reply).
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You're the seller, or is there some other reason you owe me a reply?
I didn't mean the 'stk', I recognised that means 'schtuck'. Anyway, thanks
for clarifying the datecode thing, I didn't know that's what was meant
there, and the seller didn't say despite me asking twice. A person who
knows something can NEVER blame someone for ignorance when that someone
directly asks, it's far easier and faster to answer. Re 'Schmitt', I know,
but I write typos a lot.

Sending euros by secure delivery is by far the least trouble for the
seller. It amounts to cash in hand, If he doesn't get it, he doesn't send
the goods.

If he thought I was too much trouble, isn't it a bit odd that the first
move he makes is to try to sell me the entire 3000? The auction's only for
250. I won't go for it though, if he can't tell me the postage in advance
so I have that in writing before the bid is place, or tell me if he can
accept a payment method I can do, I'm not having anything to do with it.
Doesn't matter how fed up he might be, he's supposed to answer questions
like those on eBay.
 
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:50:18 -0700, the renowned
"clicliclic@freenet.de" <clicliclic@freenet.de> wrote:

Lostgallifreyan schrieb:
Has anyone got any thoughts about this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170158848446

I asked the seller about postage from Germany to UK, and sending secure
delivery of euros as he doesn't use PayPal, and the seller didn't answer my
questions but instead responded with this:

"We have got 2000stk (H11F1 DC/ 9922) and 1000stk (H11F1 DC/ 9934) , when
you want you can buy it all. What would you pay for?"

I don't recognise those codings from Fairchild's site, so I asked about

What is it that you fail to recognize? The seller seems to be less
than fluent in English as he wrote "2000stk" and "1000stk" (i.e. "2000
Stück" and "1000 Stück" ) for "2000 pieces" and "1000 pieces". The
Fairchild H11F1 datasheet specifies the datecode as XXYY where XX =
two digit year code, and YY = two digit work week ranging from 01 to
53. So that looks ok.

that, and why they're specified as Shmitt trigger FET when Fairchild
specify them for high linearity and use as a variable resistance, something
Schmitt responses aren't designed for. I allowed for the possibility that
Fairchild might not be the only makers, and asked about that too. I've
twice asked this now, three days apart, but the seller refuses to reply.

He is probably fed up with English that is above his head and with
technical details he doesn't know about (like what uses the things can
advantageously be put to, and who in the world has made them) and may
also fear trouble. It can be a headache to transfer "small" amounts of
money between Britain and Euroland. Among his payment options are Cash
on Collection (how does this work?), Cash On Delivery (if the
international carrier cooperates), and Bank Transfer (which can be
costly).

(Btw, it's "Schmitt trigger" :).)


This looks extremely dodgy to me, surely someone who knows what they're
selling would answer quickly to someone who sounded like they knew what
they might be buying and wasn't sure of a few details.

I had a look at the offer, and the above are my thoughts. Can't spot
anything obviously dodgy here.

Martin (who owes you a reply).
Click to expand...
That's my impression too-- a seller who likely has dubious English
skills, and almost surely doesn't really understand what he is selling
(It's not uncommon for eBay sellers to get stuff by auctions or
whatever that they don't really understand). Of course that increases
the risk that you'll get something other than what you think.. I'd be
a lot more confident if there was a photo, but the first two
conclusions would remain.

Note also that he appears to have tried to sell the bulk of his stock
to you outside of eBay. While not unusual, it's not really kosher.

To summarize- I don't think it's a scam either, just a German guy
trying to make a few spare EURs.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
news:i5jmh3dqsu079tbnja7vbuc0kcd4n7i517@4ax.com:

I had a look at the offer, and the above are my thoughts. Can't spot
anything obviously dodgy here.

Martin (who owes you a reply).

That's my impression too-- a seller who likely has dubious English
skills, and almost surely doesn't really understand what he is selling
(It's not uncommon for eBay sellers to get stuff by auctions or
whatever that they don't really understand). Of course that increases
the risk that you'll get something other than what you think.. I'd be
a lot more confident if there was a photo, but the first two
conclusions would remain.

Note also that he appears to have tried to sell the bulk of his stock
to you outside of eBay. While not unusual, it's not really kosher.

To summarize- I don't think it's a scam either, just a German guy
trying to make a few spare EURs.
Click to expand...
Sounds about right. He still won't respond though, he doesn't seem to want
to sell them to me. Odd for someone who a few days ago wanted me to buy
3000.

I'll have to leave it, if I bid he can charge me a million bucks for
postage if he wants. He can certainly hike it up massively if he thinks
the bidding was too low. And he can force a formal dispute and leave me bad
feedback if he wants when I refuse to pay excess. Traps should not be
walked into, it doesn't matter if they were intentionally laid or not.

There are certain basic ways to handle eBay and one of those is to answer
questions from buyers, especially those that relate to postal charges and
payment methods.

I get annoyed too by awkward questions from Europe either in fragmented
english or not in english at all, but I try to answer every one, after
taking whatever means necessary to get unambiguous translation. If I can't
hack that I do the only thing that makes sense to me, I change my listings
to eliminate the possibility. If I open up to it I expect to have to deal
with it.

Still wondering why Martin owes me a reply. :) I didn't think anyone owed
me anything...
 
Lostgallifreyan schrieb:
Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
news:i5jmh3dqsu079tbnja7vbuc0kcd4n7i517@4ax.com:

I had a look at the offer, and the above are my thoughts. Can't spot
anything obviously dodgy here.

Martin (who owes you a reply).

That's my impression too-- a seller who likely has dubious English
skills, and almost surely doesn't really understand what he is selling
(It's not uncommon for eBay sellers to get stuff by auctions or
whatever that they don't really understand). Of course that increases
the risk that you'll get something other than what you think.. I'd be
a lot more confident if there was a photo, but the first two
conclusions would remain.

Note also that he appears to have tried to sell the bulk of his stock
to you outside of eBay. While not unusual, it's not really kosher.

To summarize- I don't think it's a scam either, just a German guy
trying to make a few spare EURs.


Sounds about right. He still won't respond though, he doesn't seem to want
to sell them to me. Odd for someone who a few days ago wanted me to buy
3000.

I'll have to leave it, if I bid he can charge me a million bucks for
postage if he wants. He can certainly hike it up massively if he thinks
the bidding was too low. And he can force a formal dispute and leave me bad
feedback if he wants when I refuse to pay excess. Traps should not be
walked into, it doesn't matter if they were intentionally laid or not.
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On the German eBay page

<http://cgi.ebay.de/Optocoupler-H11F1-D7C-9934-250-
Stueck_W0QQitemZ170158848446QQihZ007QQcategoryZ12949QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>

the (national) postage is given as Euro 10.00 (this excludes
insurance). This is a bit on the high side, but within reason.

On October 20, the seller added the remarks "Keine Garantie oder
Gewährleistung" (no warranty) and "Kein Rückgaberecht" (no right of
return). These are probably a reaction to queries, but they are no
unusual conditions either.

Martin.
 
"clicliclic@freenet.de" <clicliclic@freenet.de> wrote in
news:1193024804.072901.92070@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

the (national) postage is given as Euro 10.00 (this excludes
insurance). This is a bit on the high side, but within reason.
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National. I asked about international. He never answered. If answering that
is too hard to do, but expecting me to go outside eBay for all 3000 is
preferable then I don't want to do business with the man. As it is, none of
his accepted payment methods give ANY protection for eBayers. Curious, no?

On October 20, the seller added the remarks "Keine Garantie oder
Gewährleistung" (no warranty) and "Kein Rückgaberecht" (no right of
return). These are probably a reaction to queries, but they are no
unusual conditions either.
Click to expand...
Most companies say that for new stuff too. I have no problem with that.
 
Lostgallifreyan wrote:

"clicliclic@freenet.de" <clicliclic@freenet.de> wrote

the (national) postage is given as Euro 10.00 (this excludes
insurance). This is a bit on the high side, but within reason.

National. I asked about international. He never answered. If answering that
is too hard to do, but expecting me to go outside eBay for all 3000 is
preferable then I don't want to do business with the man. As it is, none of
his accepted payment methods give ANY protection for eBayers. Curious, no?
Click to expand...
Within the EU AIUI, postage is supposed to be the same as national postage to
any country within the Union.

OTOH if the guy won't answer questions, I'd have nothing to do with him.

Graham
 
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:471CA4D9.19EB9E04@hotmail.com:

Lostgallifreyan wrote:

"clicliclic@freenet.de" <clicliclic@freenet.de> wrote

the (national) postage is given as Euro 10.00 (this excludes
insurance). This is a bit on the high side, but within reason.

National. I asked about international. He never answered. If
answering that is too hard to do, but expecting me to go outside eBay
for all 3000 is preferable then I don't want to do business with the
man. As it is, none of his accepted payment methods give ANY
protection for eBayers. Curious, no?

Within the EU AIUI, postage is supposed to be the same as national
postage to any country within the Union.

OTOH if the guy won't answer questions, I'd have nothing to do with
him.

Graham
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He finally responded. Took three tries over five days but it worked. He
wants 20 euros to send to the UK. Steep. Very. But not insane. He wants
Western Union though. While they're not as dodgy as eBay say they are, it's
still true that the seller ONLY accepts payment methods that offer NO
protection to the buyer! At least with insured banknotes sent by Airsure, I
get to claim them off the post office if they go awol, and so far far he
won't accept a method than gives me ANY cover, let alone cover against
problems caused by the seller directly.

It's not a great way to do international business. If he wants to restrict
that much, he ought to have appropriately restricted his market area to the
country he's in.
 
Lostgallifreyan wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Lostgallifreyan wrote:
"clicliclic@freenet.de" <clicliclic@freenet.de> wrote

the (national) postage is given as Euro 10.00 (this excludes
insurance). This is a bit on the high side, but within reason.

National. I asked about international. He never answered. If
answering that is too hard to do, but expecting me to go outside eBay
for all 3000 is preferable then I don't want to do business with the
man. As it is, none of his accepted payment methods give ANY
protection for eBayers. Curious, no?

Within the EU AIUI, postage is supposed to be the same as national
postage to any country within the Union.

OTOH if the guy won't answer questions, I'd have nothing to do with
him.

He finally responded. Took three tries over five days but it worked. He
wants 20 euros to send to the UK. Steep. Very. But not insane. He wants
Western Union though. While they're not as dodgy as eBay say they are, it's
still true that the seller ONLY accepts payment methods that offer NO
protection to the buyer! At least with insured banknotes sent by Airsure, I
get to claim them off the post office if they go awol, and so far far he
won't accept a method than gives me ANY cover, let alone cover against
problems caused by the seller directly.

It's not a great way to do international business. If he wants to restrict
that much, he ought to have appropriately restricted his market area to the
country he's in.
Click to expand...
A demand to use Western Union is ridiculous within the EU.

Frankly he should take Paypal IMHO.

Graham
 
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:471CDF02.412BEFC2@hotmail.com:

A demand to use Western Union is ridiculous within the EU.

Frankly he should take Paypal IMHO.
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He's in West Germany, so I agree, might have been different in East Germany
still. If you go far enough east, you get to places where PayPal lets you
spend but not receive. I just think he should accept euro bank notes. Most
people in Europe seem to be ok with that, cash is cash. Beats paying Ł30
for a wire transfer. If we have to pay brokerage charges and all sorts of
special surcharges and go through awkwardness of a kind that most business
gratefully left behind when we got cheap computing and reduced EU border
controls, then it makes eBay a nonsense, it would be cheaper to buy the
parts from the original maker, in that kind of quantity.

Only way that won't be true is if the bidding is so low because of lack of
willingness to jump hurdle's of the seller's making, and for that, the
seller would only have himself to blame.
 
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