Do they still sell multi-part electrolytic capacitors?

On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 10:54:22 -0800 (PST), Ken Layton
<KLayton888@aol.com> wrote:

I've done the "re-stuffing" thing myself a few times. It's a hassle and a couple of
times the new capacitors I put into the can failed within a week (exploded inside
the can). So I had to take them all apart again. Found out the replacement caps
were counterfeits! Some were Jacques Ebert and some were Nichicon. All were
purchased from my local electronics parts supplier.

Could this be caused by a heat buildup inside the can?
At least the can protected you when they exploded though.

I dont know why it is, that the old caps used in tube equipment seemed
to last many years, sometimes 50 years or more, but today they fail in
only a few years. Seems a lot of computer boards have this problem
regularly. I would think that we would have better materials to make
them these days, than when they were just made from tin foil, paper and
wax, but it seems those old ones were far better.

 

On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:48:52 -0800 (PST), "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>
wrote:

Coming from you, this makes me quietly proud! Yet, as it happens, I do feel sorry for you as, clearly, your meds are failing again.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

Who the heck are you talking to?

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

On Tuesday, January 31, 2017 at 1:39:31 AM UTC-5, olds...@tubes.com wrote:

Who the heck are you talking to?

That would be Mr. Allison, our resident Tourette's Syndrome tech. He goes in fits and starts, with sometimes months of civility and good advice, punctuated with periods of full blown psychosis.

And, when both wrong *and* off his meds, he advocates all kinds of colorful fates for his momentary enemies.

It is a very good thing he is where he is - I doubt he would survive in an environment where he would be held accountable for his ravings.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Phil Allison]

pf...@aol.com wrote:



FYI to all:

The Peter Wieck troll is one of the worst, lying nut cases seen on usenet over the last 15 to 20 years - probably longer.

The retard has no idee how retarded he is so it might seem cruel to abuse him, I know.

But how the hell else do you shut CRIMINAL FUCKING IDIOTS like him up ???




..... Phil

 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 8:33:58 AM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:

pf...@aol.com wrote:



FYI to all:

The Peter Wieck troll is one of the worst, lying nut cases seen on usenet over the last 15 to 20 years - probably longer.

The retard has no idee how retarded he is so it might seem cruel to abuse him, I know.

But how the hell else do you shut CRIMINAL FUCKING IDIOTS like him up ???




.... Phil

Phil, remember when the doctor said you have to *keep* taking those medications for the rest of your life? That stopping them would make you revert to the obnoxious person that no one like and everyone avoids? That when you do take them you can be, if nothing else, civil even to whom with which you disagree?

Please get back on your medications. The medicated Phil is the one we actually like.

 

[Ken Layton]

On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 8:01:18 PM UTC-8, Phil Allison wrote:

Ken Layton wrote:

Yes, Antique Electronic Supply still makes fresh stock "twist prong"
can style (a.k.a. Mallory "FP" type).


** They do not make any such thing.

The Mallory FP types are USA made examples from 50+ years ago - with a shiny label applied. I have seen them with all sections open circuit.

I pulled one apart and found the internals totally dried out - as one would expect.

You have not seen one at all.


.... Phil

I wasn't saying those were genuine Mallory FP capacitors being sold at Antique Electronics. Some people know the twist prong can style capacitor by the FP designation as an example. Cornell (CDE) and Sprague also produced twist prong can capacitors back in the day.

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

On Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 12:18:30 PM UTC-5, Ken Layton wrote:


> I wasn't saying those were genuine Mallory FP capacitors being sold at Antique Electronics. Some people know the twist prong can style capacitor by the FP designation as an example. Cornell (CDE) and Sprague also produced twist prong can capacitors back in the day.

Ken:

Do you understand the concept of "nailing Jell-O"? Nobody here suggested or implied that Mallory or any of the "old names" were still in the business of making caps, multi-section caps, or even storm doors and windows. What you and I were (an are) suggesting is that multi-section caps are still in production from various suppliers around the world and still readily available to anyone with the means and the will to get them.

If one goes to some of these websites and reads carefully, there will be many disclaimers on the NOS stuff, and very specific references on the current-production stuff. Nowhere do any of the makers I linked, again suggest or imply that what they are selling is "fresh" if NOS, or NOS if fresh. CE does make much of using vintage machinery, but to make *NEW* capacitors.

Phil is a pimple on the soft underbelly of this hobby. That he has not been lanced-with-prejudice has more to do with his location and pure blind luck.. For all that, he is a knowledgeable tech with some good skills. However, if it is not in his world, or does not conform to his idea of the universe, it is suspect and to be rejected. And any person with the temerity to stand up to him - again is in for some very colorful invective and suggestions of awful fates to come. Consider the hognose snake for similar behavior.

Once upon a time, he railed against CFL Lamps with all sorts of invective and all sorts of (bad) data and anecdotal referrals.

Not much later, he railed against someone who complained about them with equally accurate information.

Once upon a time he railed against the entire concept of an isolation transformer. Then.... you get the picture.

As he experiences his various epiphanies, he becomes equally righteous,but on the other side. What he does not do is learn from such.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Phil Allison]

Ken Layton wrote:

Ken Layton wrote:

Yes, Antique Electronic Supply still makes fresh stock "twist prong"
can style (a.k.a. Mallory "FP" type).


** They do not make any such thing.

The Mallory FP types are USA made examples from 50+ years ago - with a shiny label applied. I have seen them with all sections open circuit.

I pulled one apart and found the internals totally dried out - as one would expect.

You have not seen one at all.


.... Phil

I wasn't saying those were genuine Mallory FP capacitors being
sold at Antique Electronics.

** You have no clue about what you are saying.

Piss off.


...... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

pf...@aol.com wrote:

Nowhere do any of the makers I linked, again suggest or imply that
what they are selling is "fresh" if NOS, or NOS if fresh. CE does
make much of using vintage machinery, but to make *NEW* capacitors.

** But in fact the CE brand caps are 50+ years old, dried out and worthless.

Once upon a time, he railed against CFL Lamps with all sorts of invective
and all sorts of (bad) data and anecdotal referrals.

** What I posted about CFLs was 100% correct.

Once upon a time he railed against the entire concept of an isolation
transformer.

** What I posted was 100% correct but incomprehensible to the Wieck retard.


Be aware:

Wieck is a mental retard plus incorrigible LIAR and and criminal defamer.

He lives only to troll.

Lets hope that is not for much longer.



..... Phil

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

On Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 9:29:51 PM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:

** But in fact the CE brand caps are 50+ years old, dried out and worthless.

In the probably vain hope that there is still a few sane neurons firing in your agitated, fear-ridden brain - what do you derive from this?

https://www.cedist.com/products/capacitors?filters=Brand%3DCE%20Manufacturing

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 9:42:53 AM UTC-5, pf...@aol.com wrote:

On Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 9:29:51 PM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:

** But in fact the CE brand caps are 50+ years old, dried out and worthless.


In the probably vain hope that there is still a few sane neurons firing in your agitated, fear-ridden brain - what do you derive from this?

https://www.cedist.com/products/capacitors?filters=Brand%3DCE%20Manufacturing

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

Peter you seem like a good guy, but you're not paying attention to what's going on in the world.

A few years back Geraldo Rivera did a TV special where a hidden vault, chock full of old electronic components, was opened. They found many thousands of (strangely and coincidentally) the most popular canned capacitors that would be most in demand years later. All of these were thoroughly cleaned, buffed, and relabeled. Oddly, of the thousands that were sold dried up and inert, no one figured out the cans themselves were defective and were in fact just old dead stock, except Phil.

You can do better..

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

Please Note The Interpolations.

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-5, ohg...@gmail.com wrote:

> A few years back Geraldo Rivera did a TV special where a hidden vault, chock full of old electronic components, was opened.

Funny thing - there is nothing on Google, Geraldo's Website, nor any other reference putting that gentleman together with "electronic(s)", "capacitor(s)", "condenser(s)" nor any other of several variations. True, I only did two searches. Please provide a link as the originator of this evidence.

They found many thousands of (strangely and coincidentally) the most popular canned capacitors that would be most in demand years later. All of these were thoroughly cleaned, buffed, and relabeled. Oddly, of the thousands that were sold dried up and inert, no one figured out the cans themselves were defective and were in fact just old dead stock, except Phil.

I am beginning to smell a rat (troll, at least). "...nobody figure out... except Phil." Sarcasm at its finest, given the reputation of those peddling these so-called 'defective' caps. Between AES, VTA and any of several other international vendors, were there the slightest smell of problems with these caps, they would drop them like plutonium.

> You can do better..

No, so far, you have no more than anecdotal evidence. If you are trolling, that is all you need. If you are actually trying to make a point in support of Phil - or anyone else - a bit more than vague statements supported by anecdotes of dubious veracity is required.

a) Al Capone purportedly had a vault.
b) Geraldo purportedly opened it.
c) There are lots-O-NOS caps out there being sold under various conditions and descriptions. Mostly right out in plain sight. But, of a certainty, it is vaguely and perhaps *just* possible that there are unscrupulous sellers out there selling all sorts of twaddle to the gullible.

In this case, a) + b) ≠ c).

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Phil Allison]

pf...@aol.com wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:

** But in fact the CE brand caps are 50+ years old, dried out and
worthless.


In the probably vain hope that there is still a few sane neurons firing

** FFS, you moronic fucking asshole - until you see one of the CE
fakes yourself you have NO grounds to be claiming anything !!!!!!!


FYI:

The cap I opened up was labelled 4 x 20uF @ 475V.

https://www.cedist.com/products/capacitor-ce-mfg-475v-20202020-f-electrolytic

You can peel off the metallic label and see the original, stamped in markings and also a 4 digit date code, giving week and year.

The code on my example indicated manufacture in 1963.

The insides were green with corrosion and several aluminium connecting straps ware eaten right through. The core of the cap was dry as a bone.

A customer had built a clone of the Fender Princeton Reverb amp. He purchased the cap along with other parts including a stainless steel chassis from the USA.

The amp was delivered to me in May 2013 suffering from loud hum and motor boating - since none of the electros inside the can worked.

BTW:

Go fuck yourself.



..... Phil

 

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 1:10:32 AM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:

pf...@aol.com wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:

** But in fact the CE brand caps are 50+ years old, dried out and
worthless.


In the probably vain hope that there is still a few sane neurons firing



** FFS, you moronic fucking asshole - until you see one of the CE
fakes yourself you have NO grounds to be claiming anything !!!!!!!


FYI:

The cap I opened up was labelled 4 x 20uF @ 475V.

https://www.cedist.com/products/capacitor-ce-mfg-475v-20202020-f-electrolytic

You can peel off the metallic label and see the original, stamped in markings and also a 4 digit date code, giving week and year.

The code on my example indicated manufacture in 1963.

The insides were green with corrosion and several aluminium connecting straps ware eaten right through. The core of the cap was dry as a bone.

A customer had built a clone of the Fender Princeton Reverb amp. He purchased the cap along with other parts including a stainless steel chassis from the USA.

The amp was delivered to me in May 2013 suffering from loud hum and motor boating - since none of the electros inside the can worked.

BTW:

Go fuck yourself.



.... Phil

So Phil, does CE have a time machine that allows them to retrieve thousands of these same exact cans to fill orders? Maybe the cans age as they're transported through time?

Assuming you're not lying to cover your ass, did you consider that someone may have stuck the label on an old can and returned it to CE for credit? I can assure you that crap like that does happen.

I've been in the repair business for over 40 years and I've gotten "brand new" parts from reliable suppliers including OEMs that were clearly *not* new. These were either mistakenly returned for new credit or intentionally returned for nefarious reasons and ended up being restocked.

 

[Phil Allison]

ohg...@gmail.com wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:

So Phil, does CE have a time machine that allows them to retrieve
thousands of these same exact cans to fill orders?

** There are not thousands of orders.

did you consider that
someone may have stuck the label on an old can and returned it to CE for
credit?

** No - that is absurd.

Old caps would have used solder lugs and bent support tags.

It's a common re-labelling scam, been going on for decades with all sorts of components including ICs, power transistors and vacuum tubes.

I bought some 22uF, 450V pigtail electros once from a local dealer that turned out to have well used 22uF, 400V radial types fitted inside the can. They looked wrong because there was black rubber at both ends of the can instead of just one end.

BTW go fuck yourself.


..... Phil

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 7:38:59 AM UTC-5, ohg...@gmail.com wrote
>>Stuff<<

Not to worry. Phil is reasoning from one single incident in 2013 (the Fender) to the general. My cat is grey, therefore all cats are grey (with apologies to Ben Franklin ('in the dark, all cats are grey').

Not only that, but as he did not actually purchase the offending item directly, he has no idea which bin it came from - NOS or New Stock. I can get shiny NOS caps all day at any of several local sources, all of them no better than they should be. And, if I represent them as such, I can sell them all day long to instrument amp people who have an entirely a different view of the species. I just sold a handful of very, very vintage "Black Cat" capacitors to an instrument amp neighbor for far too much $$ - he insisted - if I promised to sell him any others I might acquire as I go along.

In the unlikely event that I do purchase caps of unknown provenance, I do so face-to-face, and carry an ESR/Cap meter with me. That would be Kutztown, twice a year. Meaning - if one purchases caps from unreliable sources, one more-or-less deserves what one gets. As, the only reason to go to said unreliable sources would be "save" money. AES, VTA and those with actual reputations to support are not cheap, and do stand behind what they sell. Ah, well, perhaps Australia is the dumping ground for such.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 8:06:57 AM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:

ohg...@gmail.com wrote:


So Phil, does CE have a time machine that allows them to retrieve
thousands of these same exact cans to fill orders?


** There are not thousands of orders.

You know this how? Perhaps the Russians hacked CE's site and passed the info to you.

did you consider that
someone may have stuck the label on an old can and returned it to CE for
credit?


** No - that is absurd.

Old caps would have used solder lugs and bent support tags.

.... Phil

That's true, but you didn't have the opportunity to inspect it. Here, let me refresh your memory for you:

>>**A customer had *built* a clone of the Fender Princeton Reverb amp. He purchased the cap along with other parts including a stainless steel chassis from the USA. The amp was delivered to me in May 2013 suffering from loud hum and motor boating - since none of the electros inside the can worked.

Since the amp was delivered to you already built and suffering from hum and motor-boating, you did *not* see the capacitor's lugs or twist tabs before your customer installed it. Oops....

And for you last suggestion to me, let me just say that while it's physically impossible to accomplish, it's nice to see that if nothing else, you still have your warmth and charm at least.

 

[amdx]

On 1/29/2017 2:32 PM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

I want to re-cap an old tube type shortwave radio. I dont mind using
plastic coated caps to replace the old paper-wax ones in the circuit.
(Meaning the smallish ones, such as .05 .02 .001, etc.)

However, it seems that no one sells the multi-part electrolytic
capacitors anymore. Particularly the ones on aluminum containers that
were mounted on the chassis.

Why don't you check at,
> http://www.antiqueradios.com/forums/index.php
A forum full of oldtimers there with lots of experience replacing old caps.
Hey, and it has no bickering!

Mikek




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[Phil Allison]

ohg...@gmail.com wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:



So Phil, does CE have a time machine that allows them to retrieve
thousands of these same exact cans to fill orders?


** There are not thousands of orders.


did you consider that
someone may have stuck the label on an old can and returned it to CE for
credit?


** No - that is absurd.

Old caps would have used solder lugs and bent support tags.


That's true,

** So there is no way the idea can work.

The metallic label is not transferable without visible damage.

Go fuck yourself - idiot.



...... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

Some fuckwit called Wieck wrote:

Phil is reasoning from one single incident in 2013 (the Fender)
to the general.

** The Fender is irrelevant, the CE cap was **exactly** as pictured in the advertising. A silver metallic label placed over a cap the was corroded out from old age.

Not only that, but as he did not actually purchase the offending
item directly, he has no idea which bin it came from - NOS or New Stock.

** There are no "old stock" ones from CE that look exactly like that ones in the advertising - you LYING PILE Of SHIT !!!

Get cancer & die you sick, lunatic old fart.



...... Phil