Discharge a huge voltage

On Mar 3, 8:16 pm, lerameur <leram...@yahoo.com> wrote:
hello,

I have a very simple circuit here, I am charging a 900uF capacitor to
600v. (900v max capacity)
I want to discharge this at 0.01seconds interval.  I have 30 ohm
resistance, without so from my calculation I should have 20 amp  max.
All this element are in series with each other, I want to add a
transistor (or mosfet) to make and break the intervals I need.
DO I need to get a 600v and a 20 amp rated transistor ?

Thanks
about 1mF and 30 ohms gives me a 30ms TC, so 0.01s isn't going to
work... But since I'm the 21st reply I assume that's been said.

George H.
 
On Mar 4, 8:15 pm, lerameur <leram...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 6:25 pm, sparky <sparky...@yahoo.com> wrote:





On Mar 4, 3:20 pm, lerameur <leram...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 4 mar, 14:27, Ecnerwal

MyNameForw...@ReplaceWithMyVices.Com.invalid> wrote:
In article <K-OdneKLsMMhmQ3WnZ2dnUVZ_tCdn...@web-ster.com>,
 Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.now> wrote:

Turn-off becomes an issue.  I know that there are ways to turn off an
SCR on a DC supply, but it's some wacky thing involving an auxiliary
inductor that snaps the current off briefly so the SCR can turn off --
it all looks pretty smoky to me.

It's definitely getting into the realm of tubes (mostly thyratrons)
ruling, though at high amperage the tubes are available, but do tend to
cost a few thousand dollars. At the lower amperage ranges, if you stick
to those tubes that are still commonly available they can cost a lot
less than silicon to do the same job.

On the third hand, the application becomes highly suspect as I can think
of a number of nefarious uses this might be aiming towards I wouldn't
care to help with. Not quite as blatant as the person a few months ago
that was evidently looking for help in designing a roadside bomb, but a
spark gap creates an infernal amount of RF noise...

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

I am looking to make a unidirectional spark.  I also thought of using
like the old days a rotary spark gap, but with a 3600 rpm motor, even
with 10 contacts around  I get 3600rpm/60 =600rps  with 10 contacts > > > 6000hz.  I guess 6000hz is good enough.
Also with a higher voltage, could I increase the resistance.?

JP- Hide quoted text -

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You could go higher.

600 volts is certainly not a HUGE voltage.

Ok here is the circuit I am trying to replicate.  Some of you will say
it is not possible, it is not concrete, but hey I am just trying it
out.
Like I said , I just want to make a simple circuit with  a capacitor
discharging through a spark gap for now, nothing else.http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replica...

Also, in the schematic shown, there is a diode that seems to be on
backwards, but some dud on the web site says it is not.. I still think
it is on backward, can somebody has an explanation for that. The
circuit is doable, the effect well not so much I think
thanks
JP.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Wow, that's weird. Sorry, I don't think I can help.

George H.
 
lerameur wrote:
On Mar 4, 6:25 pm, sparky <sparky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 3:20 pm, lerameur <leram...@yahoo.com> wrote:



On 4 mar, 14:27, Ecnerwal
MyNameForw...@ReplaceWithMyVices.Com.invalid> wrote:
In article <K-OdneKLsMMhmQ3WnZ2dnUVZ_tCdn...@web-ster.com>,
Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
Turn-off becomes an issue. I know that there are ways to turn off an
SCR on a DC supply, but it's some wacky thing involving an auxiliary
inductor that snaps the current off briefly so the SCR can turn off --
it all looks pretty smoky to me.
It's definitely getting into the realm of tubes (mostly thyratrons)
ruling, though at high amperage the tubes are available, but do tend to
cost a few thousand dollars. At the lower amperage ranges, if you stick
to those tubes that are still commonly available they can cost a lot
less than silicon to do the same job.
On the third hand, the application becomes highly suspect as I can think
of a number of nefarious uses this might be aiming towards I wouldn't
care to help with. Not quite as blatant as the person a few months ago
that was evidently looking for help in designing a roadside bomb, but a
spark gap creates an infernal amount of RF noise...
--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
I am looking to make a unidirectional spark. I also thought of using
like the old days a rotary spark gap, but with a 3600 rpm motor, even
with 10 contacts around I get 3600rpm/60 =600rps with 10 contacts =
6000hz. I guess 6000hz is good enough.
Also with a higher voltage, could I increase the resistance.?
JP- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You could go higher.

600 volts is certainly not a HUGE voltage.

Ok here is the circuit I am trying to replicate. Some of you will say
it is not possible, it is not concrete, but hey I am just trying it
out.
Like I said , I just want to make a simple circuit with a capacitor
discharging through a spark gap for now, nothing else.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replication-2.html&usg=__iSdcL6jpOkRkqf7S8vhO8UyJzew=&h=711&w=831&sz=132&hl=en&start=6&sig2=-iiXL_uogSvS1uj0DcYeXw&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=ZeLwLSgYlT4p6M:&tbnh=123&tbnw=144&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgrey%2Btube%2Bbedini%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=bDGQS7j0N8_I_gbih4nVDA

Also, in the schematic shown, there is a diode that seems to be on
backwards, but some dud on the web site says it is not.. I still think
it is on backward, can somebody has an explanation for that. The
circuit is doable, the effect well not so much I think
thanks
JP.
You should try to get a hydrogen thyratron tube, I used one in 1967 to
discharge 20KV through a 75 ohm resistor, that was 266 amperes, or a
peak power of 266*226*75=5.3 mega watt.....
Used to make cosmic rays visible.
Lots of fun(and problems, and fireworks).
 
lerameur wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:36 pm, Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulf...@ppllaanneett.nnll
wrote:
lerameur wrote:
On Mar 4, 6:25 pm, sparky <sparky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 3:20 pm, lerameur <leram...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 4 mar, 14:27, Ecnerwal
MyNameForw...@ReplaceWithMyVices.Com.invalid> wrote:
In article <K-OdneKLsMMhmQ3WnZ2dnUVZ_tCdn...@web-ster.com>,
Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
Turn-off becomes an issue. I know that there are ways to turn off an
SCR on a DC supply, but it's some wacky thing involving an auxiliary
inductor that snaps the current off briefly so the SCR can turn off --
it all looks pretty smoky to me.
It's definitely getting into the realm of tubes (mostly thyratrons)
ruling, though at high amperage the tubes are available, but do tend to
cost a few thousand dollars. At the lower amperage ranges, if you stick
to those tubes that are still commonly available they can cost a lot
less than silicon to do the same job.
On the third hand, the application becomes highly suspect as I can think
of a number of nefarious uses this might be aiming towards I wouldn't
care to help with. Not quite as blatant as the person a few months ago
that was evidently looking for help in designing a roadside bomb, but a
spark gap creates an infernal amount of RF noise...
--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
I am looking to make a unidirectional spark. I also thought of using
like the old days a rotary spark gap, but with a 3600 rpm motor, even
with 10 contacts around I get 3600rpm/60 =600rps with 10 contacts =
6000hz. I guess 6000hz is good enough.
Also with a higher voltage, could I increase the resistance.?
JP- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You could go higher.
600 volts is certainly not a HUGE voltage.
Ok here is the circuit I am trying to replicate. Some of you will say
it is not possible, it is not concrete, but hey I am just trying it
out.
Like I said , I just want to make a simple circuit with a capacitor
discharging through a spark gap for now, nothing else.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replica...
Also, in the schematic shown, there is a diode that seems to be on
backwards, but some dud on the web site says it is not.. I still think
it is on backward, can somebody has an explanation for that. The
circuit is doable, the effect well not so much I think
thanks
JP.
You should try to get a hydrogen thyratron tube, I used one in 1967 to
discharge 20KV through a 75 ohm resistor, that was 266 amperes, or a
peak power of 266*226*75=5.3 mega watt.....
Used to make cosmic rays visible.
Lots of fun(and problems, and fireworks).

Only that if I reduce the carbon cube or eliminate I will basically
get almost next to zero resistance, but I do want to add a little bit
of a resistance in the circuit, how much ?? I do not know yet.
and where do you get a hydrogen thyratron tube?
JP
Form the university storage :) I dont even know the type anymore,
but it was big,(15 cm high) and the ingnition voltage was 500 volt.
And your resistor depends on the peak current your transistor(or fet)
tolerates.
If interested, google for "hydrogen thyratron".
The one at
http://plasmalabs.com/img/file-pdf.gif
would be about the one I used, but then it came from Philips, Netherlands.
 
On Mar 4, 9:36 pm, Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulf...@ppllaanneett.nnll>
wrote:
lerameur wrote:
On Mar 4, 6:25 pm, sparky <sparky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 3:20 pm, lerameur <leram...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 4 mar, 14:27, Ecnerwal
MyNameForw...@ReplaceWithMyVices.Com.invalid> wrote:
In article <K-OdneKLsMMhmQ3WnZ2dnUVZ_tCdn...@web-ster.com>,
 Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
Turn-off becomes an issue.  I know that there are ways to turn off an
SCR on a DC supply, but it's some wacky thing involving an auxiliary
inductor that snaps the current off briefly so the SCR can turn off --
it all looks pretty smoky to me.
It's definitely getting into the realm of tubes (mostly thyratrons)
ruling, though at high amperage the tubes are available, but do tend to
cost a few thousand dollars. At the lower amperage ranges, if you stick
to those tubes that are still commonly available they can cost a lot
less than silicon to do the same job.
On the third hand, the application becomes highly suspect as I can think
of a number of nefarious uses this might be aiming towards I wouldn't
care to help with. Not quite as blatant as the person a few months ago
that was evidently looking for help in designing a roadside bomb, but a
spark gap creates an infernal amount of RF noise...
--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
I am looking to make a unidirectional spark.  I also thought of using
like the old days a rotary spark gap, but with a 3600 rpm motor, even
with 10 contacts around  I get 3600rpm/60 =600rps  with 10 contacts > >>> 6000hz.  I guess 6000hz is good enough.
Also with a higher voltage, could I increase the resistance.?
JP- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You could go higher.

600 volts is certainly not a HUGE voltage.

Ok here is the circuit I am trying to replicate.  Some of you will say
it is not possible, it is not concrete, but hey I am just trying it
out.
Like I said , I just want to make a simple circuit with  a capacitor
discharging through a spark gap for now, nothing else.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replica...

Also, in the schematic shown, there is a diode that seems to be on
backwards, but some dud on the web site says it is not.. I still think
it is on backward, can somebody has an explanation for that. The
circuit is doable, the effect well not so much I think
thanks
JP.

You should try to get a hydrogen thyratron tube, I used one in 1967 to
discharge 20KV through a 75 ohm resistor, that was 266 amperes, or a
peak power of 266*226*75=5.3 mega watt.....
Used to make cosmic rays visible.
Lots of fun(and problems, and fireworks).
Only that if I reduce the carbon cube or eliminate I will basically
get almost next to zero resistance, but I do want to add a little bit
of a resistance in the circuit, how much ?? I do not know yet.
and where do you get a hydrogen thyratron tube?
JP
 
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 18:45:22 -0800 (PST), lerameur <lerameur@yahoo.com>
wrote:


Only that if I reduce the carbon cube or eliminate I will basically
get almost next to zero resistance, but I do want to add a little bit
of a resistance in the circuit, how much ?? I do not know yet.
and where do you get a hydrogen thyratron tube?
---
http://www.rell.com/Pages/Product-End-Category.aspx?productCategory=10268

JF
 
On Mar 4, 7:37 pm, Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulf...@ppllaanneett.nnll>
wrote:
lerameur wrote:

It's definitely getting into the realm of tubes (mostly thyratrons)

and where do you get a hydrogen thyratron tube?

Form the university storage :) I dont even know the type anymore,
but it was big,(15 cm high) and the ingnition voltage was 500 volt.
The easiest thyratron to find would be a photographic strobe light
(usually xenon filled); they are intended for a millisecond or two of
high current with long recovery time, though.
 

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