Dirty Electricity

[TonyS]

On 11/02/2011 8:49 PM, kreed wrote:

What an absolute load of crap. I hope the ACCC crucifies these bastards.

You may hope, but don't hold your breath. I've sent off a complaint, but
I expect it'll be filed in the "too hard" basket. Some of the technical
statements are completely untrue, and some are half-truths, but the
claims about monetary savings contain weasel words.

Sylvia.

Today I got a response for my complaint to the ACCC, not bad after 1
week. It goes like this:

(if you don't want to read through all of this, the essence is that my
complaint has been recorded and the details of my complaint will be used
in the context of the ACCC s ongoing monitoring to determine whether
there is a pattern of behaviour by Earthwise PowerSaver or a pattern
within their industry that may raise broader concerns)

It's identical to the one I just got, and is along the same lines as
replies I've received regarding other complaints. Essentially, it's a
statement that they're not actually going to do anything about it.

Sylvia.

Im with Sylvia on this one.

Yea, it's obvious, one gets away with selling snake oil in this country,
at least until someone goes to court about it.

Tony

 

[kreed]

On Feb 11, 6:02 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 11/02/2011 5:24 PM, TonyS wrote:



On 2/02/2011 9:19 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 2/02/2011 11:54 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Today Tonight has done it again.
Last night they promoted this Earthwise device which apparently saves
up to 35% electricity:
http://www.earthwisepowersavers.com.au/

**It's from Queensland, right?

Kinda says it all really.

What an absolute load of crap. I hope the ACCC crucifies these bastards.

You may hope, but don't hold your breath. I've sent off a complaint, but
I expect it'll be filed in the "too hard" basket. Some of the technical
statements are completely untrue, and some are half-truths, but the
claims about monetary savings contain weasel words.

Sylvia.

Today I got a response for my complaint to the ACCC, not bad after 1
week. It goes like this:

(if you don't want to read through all of this, the essence is that my
complaint has been recorded and the details of my complaint will be used
in the context of the ACCC s ongoing monitoring to determine whether
there is a pattern of behaviour by Earthwise PowerSaver or a pattern
within their industry that may raise broader concerns)

It's identical to the one I just got, and is along the same lines as
replies I've received regarding other complaints. Essentially, it's a
statement that they're not actually going to do anything about it.

Sylvia.

Im with Sylvia on this one.

 

[fritz]

"TonyS" <nospam@mymail.com> wrote in message news:SIqdnYU0TeSkocjQnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...

On 11/02/2011 8:49 PM, kreed wrote:


What an absolute load of crap. I hope the ACCC crucifies these bastards.

You may hope, but don't hold your breath. I've sent off a complaint, but
I expect it'll be filed in the "too hard" basket. Some of the technical
statements are completely untrue, and some are half-truths, but the
claims about monetary savings contain weasel words.

Sylvia.

Today I got a response for my complaint to the ACCC, not bad after 1
week. It goes like this:

(if you don't want to read through all of this, the essence is that my
complaint has been recorded and the details of my complaint will be used
in the context of the ACCC s ongoing monitoring to determine whether
there is a pattern of behaviour by Earthwise PowerSaver or a pattern
within their industry that may raise broader concerns)

It's identical to the one I just got, and is along the same lines as
replies I've received regarding other complaints. Essentially, it's a
statement that they're not actually going to do anything about it.

Sylvia.

Im with Sylvia on this one.

Yea, it's obvious, one gets away with selling snake oil in this country, at least until someone goes to court about it.

Tony

If you are stupid enough to buy a 'Power/Energy Saver' after reading
all the posts here that have informed you - that it is a SCAM - then
you deserve to be ripped off.
The banks do a great job of ripping us all off - they basically use our
money to make profits which are never returned to us - they are in the
same league as the 'Earthwise PowerSaver', aren't they ? They take
your money for no return. Take those bastards to court instead.

 

[TonyS]

On 12/02/2011 5:04 AM, fritz wrote:

"TonyS"<nospam@mymail.com> wrote in message news:SIqdnYU0TeSkocjQnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
On 11/02/2011 8:49 PM, kreed wrote:


What an absolute load of crap. I hope the ACCC crucifies these bastards.

You may hope, but don't hold your breath. I've sent off a complaint, but
I expect it'll be filed in the "too hard" basket. Some of the technical
statements are completely untrue, and some are half-truths, but the
claims about monetary savings contain weasel words.

Sylvia.

Today I got a response for my complaint to the ACCC, not bad after 1
week. It goes like this:

(if you don't want to read through all of this, the essence is that my
complaint has been recorded and the details of my complaint will be used
in the context of the ACCC s ongoing monitoring to determine whether
there is a pattern of behaviour by Earthwise PowerSaver or a pattern
within their industry that may raise broader concerns)

It's identical to the one I just got, and is along the same lines as
replies I've received regarding other complaints. Essentially, it's a
statement that they're not actually going to do anything about it.

Sylvia.

Im with Sylvia on this one.

Yea, it's obvious, one gets away with selling snake oil in this country, at least until someone goes to court about it.

Tony

If you are stupid enough to buy a 'Power/Energy Saver' after reading
all the posts here that have informed you - that it is a SCAM - then
you deserve to be ripped off.

No one who reads this group would be "stupid" enough to fall for the
scam. It's the ones who have no technical knowledge I am worried about.

The banks do a great job of ripping us all off - they basically use our
money to make profits which are never returned to us - they are in the
same league as the 'Earthwise PowerSaver', aren't they ? They take
your money for no return. Take those bastards to court instead.

You can't compare them with Earthwise.
In general they provide a service. If you are talking about accounts
that give you 0.3% or so interest, just don't put much money on them.
If it's about a mortgage and the fees involved, there are non-bank lenders.
If you want to start a business try to get the best deal, there is
competition.
Banks are businesses and as such have to make money and they do it
within the framework of the law I believe. While Earthwise is selling a
device that promises to save you money but will never do so.

Some banks used to be government run services in Australia but now they
are all privatised. So blame the politicians who converted a public
service into a private business, which in the short term fixed the budget.

Accept the given reality and get bank shares, they pay good and regular
fully franked dividend

Tony

 

[Phil Allison]

"TonyS"

Today I got a response for my complaint to the ACCC, not bad after 1 week.

** Dozens of people have complained and staff at the ACA have seen the TV
exposure too.

It goes like this:

(if you don't want to read through all of this, the essence is that my
complaint has been recorded and the details of my complaint will be used
in the context of the ACCC’s ongoing monitoring to determine whether there
is a pattern of behaviour by Earthwise PowerSaver or a pattern within
their industry that may raise broader concerns)

** The ACCC is a law enforcement body - much like the police.

They cannot reveal details of an on-going investigation or even say if one
is going on or not - to do so would alert the people being investigated,
plus allow any member of the public ( who knew one was going on ) to
publicly harass and defame a possibly innocent company about the simple FACT
they were being investigated by the ACCC.

Also, if you payed any attention - the offending product is only available
by getting it installed in one's home by one of their electricians. Far as I
can work out, this is not yet being carried out on people's homes -
excepting a few houses that are part of a free trial. So there is currently
nothing to investigate.

When someone who HAS had a unit installed complains to the ACCC and invites
one of their staff to come and see it - things may happen.

A far better option is to EXPOSE the scam on national TV and elsewhere as
often as possible - so it never takes off.

BTW:

One of the Earthwise dealers in Qld claims there is $10 million in stock
waiting to be installed - I reckon this figure is based on the installed
value of $ 1300 or more per unit.


.... Phil

 

[who where]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 07:28:05 +0800, TonyS <nospam@mymail.com> wrote:

No one who reads this group would be "stupid" enough to fall for the
scam. It's the ones who have no technical knowledge I am worried about.

You overlooked the fact that some who read this group are seemingly
devoid of technical knowledge.

 

[fritz]

"TonyS" <nospam@mymail.com> wrote in message news9adnRgjfpibW8jQnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@westnet.com.au...

On 12/02/2011 5:04 AM, fritz wrote:

"TonyS"<nospam@mymail.com> wrote in message news:SIqdnYU0TeSkocjQnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
On 11/02/2011 8:49 PM, kreed wrote:


What an absolute load of crap. I hope the ACCC crucifies these bastards.

You may hope, but don't hold your breath. I've sent off a complaint, but
I expect it'll be filed in the "too hard" basket. Some of the technical
statements are completely untrue, and some are half-truths, but the
claims about monetary savings contain weasel words.

Sylvia.

Today I got a response for my complaint to the ACCC, not bad after 1
week. It goes like this:

(if you don't want to read through all of this, the essence is that my
complaint has been recorded and the details of my complaint will be used
in the context of the ACCC s ongoing monitoring to determine whether
there is a pattern of behaviour by Earthwise PowerSaver or a pattern
within their industry that may raise broader concerns)

It's identical to the one I just got, and is along the same lines as
replies I've received regarding other complaints. Essentially, it's a
statement that they're not actually going to do anything about it.

Sylvia.

Im with Sylvia on this one.

Yea, it's obvious, one gets away with selling snake oil in this country, at least until someone goes to court about it.

Tony

If you are stupid enough to buy a 'Power/Energy Saver' after reading
all the posts here that have informed you - that it is a SCAM - then
you deserve to be ripped off.

No one who reads this group would be "stupid" enough to fall for the scam. It's the ones who have no technical knowledge I am
worried about.

The banks do a great job of ripping us all off - they basically use our
money to make profits which are never returned to us - they are in the
same league as the 'Earthwise PowerSaver', aren't they ? They take
your money for no return. Take those bastards to court instead.


You can't compare them with Earthwise.

Yes I can, they are in the same league, rip-off merchants are obvious, maybe
you are sucking up to them, eh ???

In general they provide a service. If you are talking about accounts that give you 0.3% or so interest, just don't put much money
on them.
If it's about a mortgage and the fees involved, there are non-bank lenders.
If you want to start a business try to get the best deal, there is competition.
Banks are businesses and as such have to make money and they do it within the framework of the law I believe. While Earthwise is
selling a device that promises to save you money but will never do so.

Some banks used to be government run services in Australia but now they are all privatised. So blame the politicians who converted
a public service into a private business, which in the short term fixed the budget.

Accept the given reality and get bank shares, they pay good and regular fully franked dividend

They are always ripping you off; that is the nature of their bank business, you
are too stupid to realise that you are being screwed left right and centre.