Dejavu Altronics

[Phil Allison]

"Bruce Varley"

"David L. Jones"
Phil Allison wrote:


** Who feels there are same spooky parallels with this Chinese site ??

http://www.chinavasion.com/

It's obviously all just part of some big affiliate thing, there are
probably dozens or hundreds of websites with the same content and stuff
for sale. That's why the altronics.net.au stuff is shipped direct from
the main provider in China. All one needs to do is set up an affiliate
website and watch the bucks roll in, they don't have to lift a finger.
But that won't happen because odds are the real Altronics will get them
shut down before they even get it operational.


Why would you do such an apparently dumb thing? Are original names with
customer pulling power that hard to come up with?

** No business name is of ANY value until customers KNOW it !!!

Well known names have enormous value in the world of marketing goods and
services - the owners of such names are usually very keen to protect them
from all trespassers !!

If you can somehow latch onto an already well known name, you get a huge
free advantage over others - especially when Google searches on the name
are used to find your web pages.



..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"David I. Jones"

http://www.altronics.net.au

It's obviously all just part of some big affiliate thing, there are
probably dozens or hundreds of websites with the same content and stuff
for sale. That's why the atonics.net.au stuff is shipped direct from the
main provider in China. All one needs to do is set up an affiliate website
and watch the bucks roll in, they don't have to lift a finger. But that
won't happen because odds are the real Altronics will get them shut down
before they even get it operational.

** Appears to be operational right now.

If you click on "Add to Cart" and then " Proceed to Checkout" it all looks
like it is working.

Paypal have the trader's name down as being " Altronics ".

The REAL Altronics do not use Paypal.



.... Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

Phil Allison wrote:

"David I. Jones"

http://www.altronics.net.au

It's obviously all just part of some big affiliate thing, there are
probably dozens or hundreds of websites with the same content and
stuff for sale. That's why the atonics.net.au stuff is shipped
direct from the main provider in China. All one needs to do is set
up an affiliate website and watch the bucks roll in, they don't have
to lift a finger. But that won't happen because odds are the real
Altronics will get them shut down before they even get it
operational.

** Appears to be operational right now.

If you click on "Add to Cart" and then " Proceed to Checkout" it all
looks like it is working.

So it is, for those products that are actually up.
Still nothing in the "About" or "Contact" tabs though.

Paypal have the trader's name down as being " Altronics ".

The REAL Altronics do not use Paypal.

I'm assuming the real Altronics are readying their big stick...

Dave.

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[David L. Jones]

Bruce Varley wrote:

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Phil Allison wrote:
"Phil Allison"

http://www.altronics.net.au


** I'm waiting to see who is lurking behind this scam.


** Who feels there are same spooky parallels with this Chinese site
?? http://www.chinavasion.com/

It's obviously all just part of some big affiliate thing, there are
probably dozens or hundreds of websites with the same content and
stuff for sale. That's why the altronics.net.au stuff is shipped
direct from the main provider in China. All one needs to do is set
up an affiliate website and watch the bucks roll in, they don't have
to lift a finger. But that won't happen because odds are the real
Altronics will get them shut down before they even get it
operational. Dave.

Why would you do such an apparently dumb thing? Are original names
with customer pulling power that hard to come up with?

Yep, incredibly dumb any way you look at it.
They went to the trouble and expense of putting up ads on Facebook, so in
that case almost any name would have done, no need to try and capitalise on
the real Altronics's name. And by copying a name you are in fact limiting
your potential business, because presumably there is no way they can
register another "Altronics Pty Ltd"

Dave.

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[David L. Jones]

David L. Jones wrote:

I just noticed an ad for Altronics on Facebook
It's Altronics Jim, but not as we know it!
http://www.altronics.net.au

It's owned by a couple of guys in QLD.

Perhaps old Jack O'Donnell might have something to say about using the
Altronics name...

Dave.

I just noticed an ABN number on the front page (was that there before?)

Search:
http://www.abr.business.gov.au/%28xkh5hk45yha12x551lxjjqzo%29/search.aspx?SearchText=33+030+830+846&StartSearch=True

So Mr Spiers is not just the web designer, he is definitely the owner, and
the trading name is indeed listed as "Altronics".

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[Phil Allison]

"David L. Jones"

http://www.altronics.net.au

I just noticed an ABN number on the front page (was that there before?)

** Nope - it has just arrived.


http://www.abr.business.gov.au/%28xkh5hk45yha12x551lxjjqzo%29/search.aspx?SearchText=33+030+830+846&StartSearch=True

So Mr Spiers is not just the web designer, he is definitely the owner, and
the trading name is indeed listed as "Altronics".

** Yep - he is clearly the owner and sole trader involved - the Paypal
account in the name of " Altronics " as I posted yesterday.

But that ABN is a new one, the previous one listed in connection with
the site was " 13 819 939 070 " which was for A & A Multimedia -
a partnership between himself and another fellow.

But the name " Altronics " is owned by the REAL Altronics in Perth
and Spiers has not registered it as a trading name cos he legally cannot.

He is illegally using the name in breach of the business names regulations
and the TPA.


...... Phil

 

[TonyS]

David L. Jones wrote:

David L. Jones wrote:

I just noticed an ABN number on the front page (was that there before?)

Search:
http://www.abr.business.gov.au/%28xkh5hk45yha12x551lxjjqzo%29/search.aspx?SearchText=33+030+830+846&StartSearch=True

So Mr Spiers is not just the web designer, he is definitely the owner, and
the trading name is indeed listed as "Altronics".

Dave.

I just looked up Altronics at the abr web address and it says "92 009 291 294
ALTRONICS PTY. LTD. cancelled"

On my last receipt from Altronics the ABN is 84 177 396 871, which is listed on
this site as "The Trustee for ALTRONICS UNIT TRUST"

On http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c a search for Altronics says
ALTRONICS PTY. LTD. is registered, the same ABN that's cancelled on the abr website.

Beats me

Tony

 

[David L. Jones]

Phil Allison wrote:

"David L. Jones"

http://www.altronics.net.au

I just noticed an ABN number on the front page (was that there
before?)

** Nope - it has just arrived.


http://www.abr.business.gov.au/%28xkh5hk45yha12x551lxjjqzo%29/search.aspx?SearchText=33+030+830+846&StartSearch=True

So Mr Spiers is not just the web designer, he is definitely the
owner, and the trading name is indeed listed as "Altronics".


** Yep - he is clearly the owner and sole trader involved - the
Paypal account in the name of " Altronics " as I posted yesterday.

But that ABN is a new one, the previous one listed in connection with
the site was " 13 819 939 070 " which was for A & A Multimedia -
a partnership between himself and another fellow.

But the name " Altronics " is owned by the REAL Altronics in Perth
and Spiers has not registered it as a trading name cos he legally
cannot.

Yet he has been able to associate the name Altronics as a "trading name"
under the sole trader ABN according to my link above.
Whether or not that's usable/legal in practice I have no idea.

Dave.

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[Phil Allison]

"TonyS"

I just looked up Altronics at the abr web address and it says "92 009 291
294 ALTRONICS PTY. LTD. cancelled"

** Cancelled in May 2004.

On my last receipt from Altronics the ABN is 84 177 396 871, which is
listed on this site as "The Trustee for ALTRONICS UNIT TRUST"

** Looks like they set up a trust to handle GST for both importing and
retail.

On http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c a search for Altronics
says ALTRONICS PTY. LTD. is registered, the same ABN that's cancelled on
the abr website.

** The ASIC data base is not always current.

Likely there is no need to update changes in the ABN number with them.

Remember, ABN numbers are all about GST.


..... Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

David L. Jones wrote:

I just noticed an ad for Altronics on Facebook
It's Altronics Jim, but not as we know it!
http://www.altronics.net.au

"Server not Found"
Either a coincidental glitch in the matrix, or it's GONE!

Dave.

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David L. Jones wrote:
I just noticed an ad for Altronics on Facebook
It's Altronics Jim, but not as we know it!
http://www.altronics.net.au

"Server not Found"
Either a coincidental glitch in the matrix, or it's GONE!

Dave.

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Same response here, looks to be still registered - maybe propagation
delay......

Whois response for altronics.net.au:

Domain Name altronics.net.au
Registrar ID PlanetDomain
Registrar Name PlanetDomain
Status ok
Registrant Alan Spiers
Registrant ID ABN 13819939070
Eligibility Type Partnership
Eligibility Name A&A MULTIMEDIA
Registrant Contact ID ID00284458-PR
Registrant Contact Name Alan Spiers
Registrant Contact Email alan@spiers.net.au
Tech Contact ID ID00284458-PR
Tech Contact Name Alan Spiers
Tech Contact Email alan@spiers.net.au
Name Server ns1.planetdomain.com
Name Server ns2.planetdomain.com