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David Brown
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On 06/02/2022 01:48, Rick C wrote:
No problem - and I /was/ unclear the first time round.
No problem - and I /was/ unclear the first time round.
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David Brown
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On 06/02/2022 10:25, Tom Gardner wrote:
You\'ll be looking for your Blue Peter badge now, won\'t you?
On 06/02/22 00:48, Rick C wrote:
I apologize. You were not unclear, I was speed reading and failed to
understand what you wrote.
Brownie points duly awarded
If that isn\'t clear to furrigners,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_points
You\'ll be looking for your Blue Peter badge now, won\'t you?
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David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote in
news:stoo9d$ns8$3@dont-email.me:
If you squeeze it too tightly it might turn blue.
<https://youtu.be/BpV5wTbvq8M?t=54>
news:stoo9d$ns8$3@dont-email.me:
On 06/02/2022 10:25, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 06/02/22 00:48, Rick C wrote:
I apologize. You were not unclear, I was speed reading and
failed to understand what you wrote.
Brownie points duly awarded
If that isn\'t clear to furrigners,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_points
You\'ll be looking for your Blue Peter badge now, won\'t you?
If you squeeze it too tightly it might turn blue.
<https://youtu.be/BpV5wTbvq8M?t=54>
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Rick C
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On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:03:27 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
Your premise is misstated. You mean the omicron variant has a lower likelihood of death for each infected person. However, the higher infection rates more than make up for that increasing the death rate above the level prior to the rise of omicron. Hmmm... that could be an action movie, \"The rise and fall of Omicron!\"
UK death rates from covid had dropped to less than 10 per day. It rose to around 100-150 from delta before rising to 250 per day for omicron. No, omicron is not less deadly than other variants.
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Your premise is misstated. You mean the omicron variant has a lower likelihood of death for each infected person. However, the higher infection rates more than make up for that increasing the death rate above the level prior to the rise of omicron. Hmmm... that could be an action movie, \"The rise and fall of Omicron!\"
UK death rates from covid had dropped to less than 10 per day. It rose to around 100-150 from delta before rising to 250 per day for omicron. No, omicron is not less deadly than other variants.
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Lasse Langwadt Christensen
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søndag den 6. februar 2022 kl. 19.28.17 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
you never see anything as good news do you?, always impending doom, deaths rising or falling
you never see anything as good news do you?, always impending doom, deaths rising or falling
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Rick C
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On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 1:56:18 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
It\'s not about what I see. These are facts. Also, the point is the death rate in the US and UK are not falling in any appreciable way. This is exactly my point. People see the infection peak turning and think we\'ve dealt with the problem. The reality is we\'ve done nearly nothing and people are still dying at rates much higher than we have seen and would like to see.
Most intelligent people can understand this. But there\'s always at least one who can\'t.
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It\'s not about what I see. These are facts. Also, the point is the death rate in the US and UK are not falling in any appreciable way. This is exactly my point. People see the infection peak turning and think we\'ve dealt with the problem. The reality is we\'ve done nearly nothing and people are still dying at rates much higher than we have seen and would like to see.
Most intelligent people can understand this. But there\'s always at least one who can\'t.
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Ed Lee
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On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:58:14 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, and it\'s not Omicron, but ... (you know what i am going to say). Omicron dropped drastically last week. My guess is that the other one will pick back up in next week\'s data. We will see by Friday.
I agree, and it\'s not Omicron, but ... (you know what i am going to say). Omicron dropped drastically last week. My guess is that the other one will pick back up in next week\'s data. We will see by Friday.
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Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:6aadc4ef-823e-4667-
95a1-945f523a289an@googlegroups.com:
> Omicron dropped drastically last week.
Infections. NOT deaths.
Shame your mother didn\'t drop the flush handle the moment she shat
you.
95a1-945f523a289an@googlegroups.com:
> Omicron dropped drastically last week.
Infections. NOT deaths.
Shame your mother didn\'t drop the flush handle the moment she shat
you.
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Ed Lee
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On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 7:33:14 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Taken out of context. Rick and I both know we are talking about cases dropping.
> Shame your mother didn\'t drop the flush handle the moment she shat you.
Unnecessary emotional out-burst. You need to see a psychiatrist.
Taken out of context. Rick and I both know we are talking about cases dropping.
> Shame your mother didn\'t drop the flush handle the moment she shat you.
Unnecessary emotional out-burst. You need to see a psychiatrist.
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Anthony William Sloman
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On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 2:49:19 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
It\'s a remarkably unspecific reference.
I doubt it. He might need help from a literary editor, but extravagant language has it\'s place. It is designed to have an effect on the reader, and there\'s nothing crazy about wanting to do that. Invoking a psychiatrist is exactly the same kind of over-the-top reaction, if less imaginative. You might look for a literary coach.
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It\'s a remarkably unspecific reference.
I doubt it. He might need help from a literary editor, but extravagant language has it\'s place. It is designed to have an effect on the reader, and there\'s nothing crazy about wanting to do that. Invoking a psychiatrist is exactly the same kind of over-the-top reaction, if less imaginative. You might look for a literary coach.
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Ed Lee
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On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 8:16:15 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
You guys budge in without reading our previous discussions.
To be specific. The heavy death toll is due to Xi, not Omicron. If Omicron winds down and Xi gets back up in ratio, the death toll will not change much. If ratio maintains the same with both going down, death rate will be lower. I can\'t see next week\'s ratio yet, but judging from death rate. I predict that Omicron will go down in ratio and Xi will go up.
[Samples/New Cases]_|_Xi_Class_B__Xi_Class_C__Omicron
01: [30893/0670000] | 07%(045501) 92%(614241) 01%(0004077)
02: [13434/0832000] | 03%(021676) 76%(637099) 16%(0132164)
03: [15960/0860000] | 04%(037127) 52%(444495) 38%(0330206)
04: [07619/1430000] | 02%(035285) 32%(457022) 59%(0848353)
05: [06773/2800000] | 12%(339820) 19%(523786) 60%(1675535)
06: [08068/5300000] | 03%(139923) 08%(434222) 85%(4526153)
07: [10431/4132000] | 06%(230546) 17%(692430) 71%(2928170)
You guys budge in without reading our previous discussions.
To be specific. The heavy death toll is due to Xi, not Omicron. If Omicron winds down and Xi gets back up in ratio, the death toll will not change much. If ratio maintains the same with both going down, death rate will be lower. I can\'t see next week\'s ratio yet, but judging from death rate. I predict that Omicron will go down in ratio and Xi will go up.
[Samples/New Cases]_|_Xi_Class_B__Xi_Class_C__Omicron
01: [30893/0670000] | 07%(045501) 92%(614241) 01%(0004077)
02: [13434/0832000] | 03%(021676) 76%(637099) 16%(0132164)
03: [15960/0860000] | 04%(037127) 52%(444495) 38%(0330206)
04: [07619/1430000] | 02%(035285) 32%(457022) 59%(0848353)
05: [06773/2800000] | 12%(339820) 19%(523786) 60%(1675535)
06: [08068/5300000] | 03%(139923) 08%(434222) 85%(4526153)
07: [10431/4132000] | 06%(230546) 17%(692430) 71%(2928170)
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Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:21383824-13b1-4fb9-
b468-099368160548n@googlegroups.com:
> To be specific. The heavy death toll is due to Xi, not Omicron.
Not in the US, dumbfuck!
b468-099368160548n@googlegroups.com:
> To be specific. The heavy death toll is due to Xi, not Omicron.
Not in the US, dumbfuck!
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Martin Brown
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On 06/02/2022 13:35, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
We have had cumulatively about 10% previously infected with an earlier
strain and they are catching it again. ONS stats show we have had 5% of
the UK population newly infected every week since Xmas that is already
over 6 weeks so around 30% of the UK population have recently had Covid.
That burn rate can only continue for another 14 weeks or so before it
runs into the naturally acquired immunity buffers. It may end even
sooner than that if the human challenge trials are to be believed.
The latter seem to show that about half the population are much harder
for the virus to infect (admittedly healthy fit young students and for
the original wild strain and before there were any vaccines at all).
If that is correct then we should see it decline quite rapidly in the UK
from now on - provided that BA.2 isn\'t sufficiently different to go
again. It is always hard to tell the trend at a weekend but I have to
say at the moment it looks a lot more promising than I had expected.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk
I\'m surprised but it looks like for once the UK government got it right!
Arguably they did nothing and just let matters take their course.
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Martin Brown
We have had cumulatively about 10% previously infected with an earlier
strain and they are catching it again. ONS stats show we have had 5% of
the UK population newly infected every week since Xmas that is already
over 6 weeks so around 30% of the UK population have recently had Covid.
That burn rate can only continue for another 14 weeks or so before it
runs into the naturally acquired immunity buffers. It may end even
sooner than that if the human challenge trials are to be believed.
The latter seem to show that about half the population are much harder
for the virus to infect (admittedly healthy fit young students and for
the original wild strain and before there were any vaccines at all).
If that is correct then we should see it decline quite rapidly in the UK
from now on - provided that BA.2 isn\'t sufficiently different to go
again. It is always hard to tell the trend at a weekend but I have to
say at the moment it looks a lot more promising than I had expected.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk
I\'m surprised but it looks like for once the UK government got it right!
Arguably they did nothing and just let matters take their course.
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Regards,
Martin Brown
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Martin Brown
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On 06/02/2022 18:28, Rick C wrote:
It seems to be a bit less dangerous than the original wild strain even
to the totally unvaccinated idiots that occupy most of the hospital beds
now. It is less than half the lethality of Delta (which was 2x Alpha).
Omicron BA.1 will only fall if either BA.2 or some other even more
infectious strain arises (which is possible in the UK right now) to
displace it from being top dog.
Omicron took the number of daily cases up past 200k for a while but
infecting 5% of the population per week can only continue for so long
and it looks like we may have just reached the limit where it does go
down again because it has literally run out of people to infect.
UK stats are not all that bad at the moment.
Ridiculously high number of people with Covid last week 4.8% according
to ONS but it isn\'t translating into deaths or hospital admissions. Both
of those lagging indicators of the pandemic\'s effects are now going down
(to my surprise). However, that is really what is happening in the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
It helps that we do mostly have a well vaccinated population.
Deaths per thousand cases has really plummeted from a year ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281
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Martin Brown
It seems to be a bit less dangerous than the original wild strain even
to the totally unvaccinated idiots that occupy most of the hospital beds
now. It is less than half the lethality of Delta (which was 2x Alpha).
Omicron BA.1 will only fall if either BA.2 or some other even more
infectious strain arises (which is possible in the UK right now) to
displace it from being top dog.
Omicron took the number of daily cases up past 200k for a while but
infecting 5% of the population per week can only continue for so long
and it looks like we may have just reached the limit where it does go
down again because it has literally run out of people to infect.
UK stats are not all that bad at the moment.
Ridiculously high number of people with Covid last week 4.8% according
to ONS but it isn\'t translating into deaths or hospital admissions. Both
of those lagging indicators of the pandemic\'s effects are now going down
(to my surprise). However, that is really what is happening in the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
It helps that we do mostly have a well vaccinated population.
Deaths per thousand cases has really plummeted from a year ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281
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Regards,
Martin Brown
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Ed Lee
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200k * 7 = 1.4m per week
1.4m / 68m = 2%
How do you get 5%?
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Don Y
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On 2/7/2022 1:24 PM, Martin Brown wrote:
For the most part, testing, here, is done by \"self selection\". So, only folks
who:
- think they may be infected
- are paranoid about infection
- want reassurance that they have NOT been infected
will go and get tested. We have 3 sets of \"home test kits\" on the shelf (city
gives them away) and have yet to pop one open -- as we are neither concerned
that we *may* be infected nor worry of silently infecting someone else (e.g.,
visiting someone in a \"care home\").
OTOH, having the kits on hand means we can change our minds about that
at any time without having to find a kit \"for sale\" on a store shelf.
Many folks find out they are covid positive after visiting a hospital (for
some unrelated reason). I think it is now a matter of common practice that
all folks are tested prior to treatment.
[The Cynic in me wonders if this isn\'t as much a financial reason as hospitals
may receive extra compensation for covid cases -- even if they don\'t present
as such]
For the most part, testing, here, is done by \"self selection\". So, only folks
who:
- think they may be infected
- are paranoid about infection
- want reassurance that they have NOT been infected
will go and get tested. We have 3 sets of \"home test kits\" on the shelf (city
gives them away) and have yet to pop one open -- as we are neither concerned
that we *may* be infected nor worry of silently infecting someone else (e.g.,
visiting someone in a \"care home\").
OTOH, having the kits on hand means we can change our minds about that
at any time without having to find a kit \"for sale\" on a store shelf.
Many folks find out they are covid positive after visiting a hospital (for
some unrelated reason). I think it is now a matter of common practice that
all folks are tested prior to treatment.
[The Cynic in me wonders if this isn\'t as much a financial reason as hospitals
may receive extra compensation for covid cases -- even if they don\'t present
as such]
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Lasse Langwadt Christensen
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mandag den 7. februar 2022 kl. 21.52.21 UTC+1 skrev Don Y:
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not everyone has for profit hospitals and they also do it. Common sense really, they want to know if they need to take precautions to try and avoid spreading it inside the hospital
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not everyone has for profit hospitals and they also do it. Common sense really, they want to know if they need to take precautions to try and avoid spreading it inside the hospital