Covid Rights Quote...

[Rick C]

I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t show it.

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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 10:40:36 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t show it.

I found the right phrase to locate the quote in a search.

\"in our communism country Viet Nam, people are forced to be
alive and in the western country like US, people are free to
die from Covid 19 lol\" duc ha

What I can\'t find is anything on the web that I can cite regarding this quote.

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[bitrex]

On 2/1/2022 10:40 AM, Rick C wrote:

I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t show it.

America is full of the type of \"personal responsibility\"-bloviator who
meanwhile operates in full confidence that there will always be someone
with some magic to save his ass when he gets deep in the shit.

He tends to find out way too late there\'s no magic in this world.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 01/02/2022 15:40, Rick C wrote:

I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian
official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated
responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are
wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed
form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they
have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t
show it.

I don\'t recognise the quote - it is too impolite to be from Japan.

This isn\'t a bad summary for a US audience:

https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-pandemic_how-cultural-differences-help-asian-countries-beat-covid-19-while-us-struggles/6193224.html

US worships individual freedom to do really stupid things.

Most Asian ocuntries mask wearing when possibly sick was normal fro at
least the 1990\'s and probably from much earlier still.

City air was all but unbreatheable there in the late 1960\'s.

https://www.alamy.com/1960s-historical-japanese-commuters-on-the-tokyo-metro-with-the-men-in-raincoats-and-a-japanese-lady-wearing-a-face-pollution-mask-image339801259.html

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Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Ed Lee]

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 11:13:57 AM UTC-8, Martin Brown wrote:

On 01/02/2022 15:40, Rick C wrote:
I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian
official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated
responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are
wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed
form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they
have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t
show it.
I don\'t recognise the quote - it is too impolite to be from Japan.

It was from Vietnam. Someone here wrote or forwarded the message when Vietnam\'s cases were low. But shortly after, they have had 10k daily new cases and the quote no longer make sense.

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 2:39:51 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 11:13:57 AM UTC-8, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/02/2022 15:40, Rick C wrote:
I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian
official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated
responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are
wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed
form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they
have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t
show it.
I don\'t recognise the quote - it is too impolite to be from Japan.
It was from Vietnam. Someone here wrote or forwarded the message when Vietnam\'s cases were low. But shortly after, they have had 10k daily new cases and the quote no longer make sense.

You would think that only if you don\'t believe there are measures that a government can take that reduces the infection. The infection rate is 12,000 a day at the moment, but the death rate is only 128 and falling. With a population of 100 million, those are really good numbers compared to nearly anywhere, 383 ppm since the beginning of the pandemic and rank of 128. Yeah, that\'s pretty good.

So the quote still makes good sense.

Interesting that no one reads my second post where I found the quote and the attribution. It has been posted several times by albert. I just can\'t find an original quote on the web.

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[Martin Brown]

On 01/02/2022 19:39, Ed Lee wrote:

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 11:13:57 AM UTC-8, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/02/2022 15:40, Rick C wrote:
I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian
official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated
responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are
wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed
form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they
have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t
show it.
I don\'t recognise the quote - it is too impolite to be from Japan.

It was from Vietnam. Someone here wrote or forwarded the message when Vietnam\'s cases were low. But shortly after, they have had 10k daily new cases and the quote no longer make sense.

They are doing one hell of a lot lot better than either the UK (today\'s
figure is 110k new cases and rising faster again) or the USA. Face
coverings stopped being mandatory in enclosed spaces in England last
Tuesday - the effects of that change are just filtering through.

Japan is still worried but the sumo tournament was close to 50%
attendance last month and although Omicron is rising there it is still
being fairly well contained. They trust their government to be doing the
right thing and are prepared to make sacrifices for the common good.
100% mask wearing compliance amongst the audience.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

tirsdag den 1. februar 2022 kl. 22.16.49 UTC+1 skrev Martin Brown:

On 01/02/2022 19:39, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 11:13:57 AM UTC-8, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/02/2022 15:40, Rick C wrote:
I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian
official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated
responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are
wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed
form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they
have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t
show it.
I don\'t recognise the quote - it is too impolite to be from Japan.

It was from Vietnam. Someone here wrote or forwarded the message when Vietnam\'s cases were low. But shortly after, they have had 10k daily new cases and the quote no longer make sense.
They are doing one hell of a lot lot better than either the UK (today\'s
figure is 110k new cases and rising faster again) or the USA. Face
coverings stopped being mandatory in enclosed spaces in England last
Tuesday - the effects of that change are just filtering through.

Denmark has been around 30-50K new cases a day for while.
All restrictions and mandates related to covid were removed today, because even
with the large number of cases it doesn\'t make sense to have restriction with low
the number of people in hospital for it

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 2/1/2022 21:13, Martin Brown wrote:

...

US worships individual freedom to do really stupid things.

I think this is the right way, people should be free to do things.
And of course doing things includes doing stupid things.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:13:45 +0000, Martin Brown
<\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 01/02/2022 15:40, Rick C wrote:
I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian
official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated
responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are
wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed
form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they
have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t
show it.


I don\'t recognise the quote - it is too impolite to be from Japan.

This isn\'t a bad summary for a US audience:

https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-pandemic_how-cultural-differences-help-asian-countries-beat-covid-19-while-us-struggles/6193224.html

US worships individual freedom to do really stupid things.

Most Asian ocuntries mask wearing when possibly sick was normal fro at
least the 1990\'s and probably from much earlier still.

City air was all but unbreatheable there in the late 1960\'s.

https://www.alamy.com/1960s-historical-japanese-commuters-on-the-tokyo-metro-with-the-men-in-raincoats-and-a-japanese-lady-wearing-a-face-pollution-mask-image339801259.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jan/31/lockdowns-had-little-or-no-impact-covid-19-deaths-/


\"While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to
no public health effects,
they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have
been adopted. In
consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected
as a pandemic policy
instrument.\"

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 2/1/2022 23:16, Martin Brown wrote:

On 01/02/2022 19:39, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 11:13:57 AM UTC-8, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/02/2022 15:40, Rick C wrote:
I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian
official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated
responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are
wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed
form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they
have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t
show it.
I don\'t recognise the quote - it is too impolite to be from Japan.

It was from Vietnam.  Someone here wrote or forwarded the message when
Vietnam\'s cases were low.  But shortly after, they have had 10k daily
new cases and the quote no longer make sense.

They are doing one hell of a lot lot better than either the UK (today\'s
figure is 110k new cases and rising faster again) or the USA. Face
coverings stopped being mandatory in enclosed spaces in England last
Tuesday - the effects of that change are just filtering through.

I can\'t see why people are so unwilling to wear masks, as if it is a
big deal. Covid or no covid wearing masks in closed spaces is just
better hygiene and thus less infections. Not many people enjoy having
a running nose for days, although it is not lethal. Yet here we are,
lots of people feel wearing a mask is restricting their rights... the
right to spread whatever infections they are carrying, that is.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 8:55:21 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:13:45 +0000, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 01/02/2022 15:40, Rick C wrote:
I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian
official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated
responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are
wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed
form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they
have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t
show it.


I don\'t recognise the quote - it is too impolite to be from Japan.

This isn\'t a bad summary for a US audience:

https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-pandemic_how-cultural-differences-help-asian-countries-beat-covid-19-while-us-struggles/6193224.html

US worships individual freedom to do really stupid things.

Most Asian ocuntries mask wearing when possibly sick was normal fro at
least the 1990\'s and probably from much earlier still.

City air was all but unbreatheable there in the late 1960\'s.

https://www.alamy.com/1960s-historical-japanese-commuters-on-the-tokyo-metro-with-the-men-in-raincoats-and-a-japanese-lady-wearing-a-face-pollution-mask-image339801259.html
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jan/31/lockdowns-had-little-or-no-impact-covid-19-deaths-/


\"While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.\"

John Larkin doesn\'t seem to have noticed the first line of the article. \"Lockdowns in the U.S. and Europe had little or no impact in reducing deaths from COVID-19.\"

People didn\'t take them seriously enough to have much impact on infection rates. They certainly made a serious difference in Australia. Business didn\'t like them here either. It\'s very much the US approach to policies they don\'t like - find somewhere where they have been implemented badly, and use that to claim that they can never work.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[server]

Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in news:stca63$j4f$1@dont-
email.me:

On 2/1/2022 21:13, Martin Brown wrote:
...

US worships individual freedom to do really stupid things.


I think this is the right way, people should be free to do things.
And of course doing things includes doing stupid things.

As long as they are not in public office... fine.

Those individuals, however, need a different fire for their feet to
be held to.

 

[server]

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 12:52:35 +0000, Martin Brown
<\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 02/02/2022 01:25, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 8:55:21 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:13:45 +0000, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 01/02/2022 15:40, Rick C wrote:
I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian
official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated
responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are
wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed
form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they
have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t
show it.


I don\'t recognise the quote - it is too impolite to be from Japan.

This isn\'t a bad summary for a US audience:

https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-pandemic_how-cultural-differences-help-asian-countries-beat-covid-19-while-us-struggles/6193224.html

US worships individual freedom to do really stupid things.

Most Asian ocuntries mask wearing when possibly sick was normal fro at
least the 1990\'s and probably from much earlier still.

City air was all but unbreatheable there in the late 1960\'s.

https://www.alamy.com/1960s-historical-japanese-commuters-on-the-tokyo-metro-with-the-men-in-raincoats-and-a-japanese-lady-wearing-a-face-pollution-mask-image339801259.html
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jan/31/lockdowns-had-little-or-no-impact-covid-19-deaths-/


\"While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.\"

John Larkin doesn\'t seem to have noticed the first line of the article. \"Lockdowns in the U.S. and Europe had little or no impact in reducing deaths from COVID-19.\"

I don\'t think it was true either. UK would have had a much larger death
toll and an NHS failure if they had not locked down when they did.

Country-by-country, or stste-by-state, statistics are all over the
place, even in adjacent places with similar climates and demographics.

The data is terrible and the causalities are speculation.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[David Brown]

On 02/02/2022 18:19, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 17:04:03 +0000, Tom Gardner

/Initially/ there was some scientific opinions that herd
immunity was a valid strategy, but that changed quickly.

The new strain seems to infect vaccinated people and to burn itself
out with a case FWHM of about a month, with relatively few deaths.
It\'s sort of a free vaccine.

It is a free /booster/ for those who are already fully vaccinated -
unless you have other serious diseases or medical issues, a fully
vaccinated person is unlikely to have more than a couple of days of mild
symptoms with Omicron. They /might/ be unlucky and get seriously ill
despite their vaccines - but the risk is background noise compared to
traffic accidents, unexpected strokes, and any other cause of death that
surrounds is.

If you are not vaccinated, Omicron is a clear and definite risk, and you
should be very careful to avoid it. It is not as big a risk as earlier
strains were, but it is very far from risk-free.

 

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:55:21 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jan/31/lockdowns-had-little-or-no-impact-covid-19-deaths-/


\"While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to
no public health effects,
they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have
been adopted.

Yeah, about that. Washington Times is a rag; don\'t read too much into what they
comment. The academic paper shows small improvement after
lockdowns, but if the rest of the world is in decline, that small improvement might be
important. The paper doesn\'t measure the costs mentioned, to support the policy
claim; it\'s just an opinion.

 

[David Brown]

On 03/02/2022 10:22, Martin Brown wrote:

On 03/02/2022 07:37, David Brown wrote:

For adults, the situation is simpler - vaccination is good.

It is a little more nuanced than that. If the challenge trials are any
indicator there may well be a chunk of people who don\'t actually need
the vaccine - they already have a strong innate immunity. Trouble is we
can\'t tell who is who so vaccinating everyone is the best bet.

Yes, exactly. It is all a game of statistics - there is no way to
predict individual needs. And it takes time to gather the statistics.
We don\'t know long-term effects or long-term risks until a long time has
passed.

Ideally we\'d put more effort into vaccinating the people who are likely
to be coughed on or sneezed on, but that is very hard to predict!

I am less convinced by rolling out new boosters every 6 months for the
worried well in first world countries to swell Pfizer\'s coffers. My
instinct is that after 3 doses of a vaccine unless you have a very dodgy
immune system you are as protected as you are ever likely to be.

Your instinct may be right - or it may be wrong. Immunity to some
diseases lasts a lifetime, for others it is very short-lived. And we
won\'t know if another variant will come along that requires a modified
vaccine until either the variant turns up, or it doesn\'t.

But I fully agree that we should not keep getting boosters \"just in
case\" - even with low risks of side-effects, it still all costs time,
money, and grey hairs for worried people. Monitoring and tracking over
time is the answer, gathering statistics and data about long-term immunity.

We need to be getting doses into arms in the third world so that the
thing cannot evolve to be more of a nuisance than it already is.

Agreed.

Firepower of the vaccine should be concentrated on the regions where it
can do the most good at closing down the global pandemic phase.

Yes.

And also within developed countries, it makes sense to concentrate
vaccine efforts where it will do most good - teachers, nurses, bus
drivers, supermarket checkout workers, and others who have a lot of
contact with other people. Anti-social engineers who sit in their
offices all day are way down on the list!

Historically such global pandemics like 1889 OC43 and 1919 Spanish Flu
have burned out in 4-5 years and been reduced to pockets of sporadic
infection thereafter. OC43 is still lethal in care homes. We ought to be
able to do better but whether we will or not remains to be seen.

I personally think this whole Covid business should be viewed as a
learning exercise - a proof of concept. Despite many imperfections in
how it has been handled around the world, we are now in a much better
place for the day that an Ebola variation breaks loose in London or New
York, and we /really/ need to react hard and fast.

The other snag is that naturally acquired immunity from a real Covid
infection is even more fleeting than that from vaccination with most
being back to baseline levels of antibodies in 3-4 months.


Yes, although there are wide variations - partly depending on the
serverety of the infection.

It is true that antibodies stay high in very sick patients for longer
but for moderately sick ones (not requiring hospitalisation) the
antibodies are all but undetectable after 4 months.

This makes figuring out who has previously had Covid difficult unless
they took a test at the time or during the window where they show up. I
was in a control test for this to see if the AZ vaccination produced a
reaction on the antigen test - it didn\'t for me and to my knowledge I
have not yet had Covid. Although I suspect I was exposed once to someone
with no sense of smell and a funny dry cough who had come back from
skiing in Northern Italy in late February right at the start.

It is also very difficult to test directly for the memory cells in the
immune system - the ones that will produce the antibodies quickly after
the infection starts. Negligible antibodies means an infection can
start, but it is the memory cells that are important for how quickly the
infection can be beaten.

ISTR the opposite scenario on Newnight where the presenter tested
himself on air with a prototype and it came up positive. He said the
test was rubbish because he waqs sure he hadn\'t had it. Each successive
new test kit he also was positive so in the end he accepted maybe he had
but not noticed. That may well be true for a good number of us.

Indeed. And there is also a certain risk of false positives and false
negatives in any test. Maybe the guy has not had Covid, but had
previously had a different corona virus (from a common cold) and the
antibodies he has for that happen to give positive readings on the test.

Or maybe he had been snorting Coke instead of cocaine - apparently Coke
will make these tests show positive. (As will many other things that
you should not have in your nose.)

UK is seeing a lot of re-infection of people who have previously caught
an earlier strain of Covid with Omicron. Best estimate of median
reinfection frequency going forwards is about 2 years for Omicron.

Vaccines are free here and in other civilised countries.

Unfortunately, the Facebook generation choose to be misinformed and
follow deranged influencers whose grasp on reality is negligible.

Antisocial media has a case to answer for spreading crazy anti-vaxxer
propaganda and clickbait anti science stories.


Indeed.

It is, of course, not just regarding vaccination that truth and facts
suffer at the hands of completely unregulated, uneducated, unethical
\"media\".

Somehow the algorithms used to encourage effective clickbait seem to
produce an echo chamber for the paranoid delusionals to fester in and
infect others with their far fetched half baked conspiracy theories.

5G masts don\'t benefit from Mandela necklaces.

It seems that people find reality boring, and move on quickly. The
dafter a conspiracy theory is, the more time people spend arguing about
it - and thus the more adverts you can push at them. This is why social
media platforms push controversial topics more than simple factual ones.

 

[David Brown]

On 03/02/2022 04:10, whit3rd wrote:

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:55:21 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jan/31/lockdowns-had-little-or-no-impact-covid-19-deaths-/


\"While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to
no public health effects,
they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have
been adopted.

Yeah, about that. Washington Times is a rag; don\'t read too much into what they
comment. The academic paper shows small improvement after
lockdowns, but if the rest of the world is in decline, that small improvement might be
important. The paper doesn\'t measure the costs mentioned, to support the policy
claim; it\'s just an opinion.

Any publication or site with its own page on Rational Wiki should be
treated with scepticism:

<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times>


(And yes, I am aware that Rational Wiki has its own page on Rational
Wiki, and needs as much scepticism and corroboration as anywhere else.)

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 4:38:37 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

tirsdag den 1. februar 2022 kl. 22.16.49 UTC+1 skrev Martin Brown:
On 01/02/2022 19:39, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 11:13:57 AM UTC-8, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/02/2022 15:40, Rick C wrote:
I can never find this quote when I am looking for it. A SE Asian
official made a remark about how in their country they have mandated
responses to Covid and have fewer deaths while in the US things are
wide open and we are dying left and right. He said it in a condensed
form, something like \"We have the freedom to live and in the US they
have the freedom to die\".

I know it has been posted here a number of times, but searches don\'t
show it.
I don\'t recognise the quote - it is too impolite to be from Japan.

It was from Vietnam. Someone here wrote or forwarded the message when Vietnam\'s cases were low. But shortly after, they have had 10k daily new cases and the quote no longer make sense.
They are doing one hell of a lot lot better than either the UK (today\'s
figure is 110k new cases and rising faster again) or the USA. Face
coverings stopped being mandatory in enclosed spaces in England last
Tuesday - the effects of that change are just filtering through.

Denmark has been around 30-50K new cases a day for while.
All restrictions and mandates related to covid were removed today, because even
with the large number of cases it doesn\'t make sense to have restriction with low
the number of people in hospital for it

What low numbers? Many hospitals in the US remain near maximum capacity. Death rates are climbing significantly too.

What sort of idiot thinks the omicron variant is something we can ignore? If nothing else, we need to remember that this virus continues to change and every time a new infection arises, we are rolling the dice on a new variant and it can come up with snake eyes.

It will probably be like the real estate reversal of 2008. We saw the same thing on a smaller scale around 1990. Then in 2008 it was said that there was no precedent for such an event! We\'ve seen variants that appeared to be worse than earlier variants. Now with the higher infectiousness of omicron, we are at risk of a variant that is both more infectious and more dangerous.

--

Rick C.

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[Ed Lee]

From the moment that alpha came on the scene all the original wild
forms were trashed into oblivion. Delta did the same to alpha and now
Omicron is doing the same to it.

I don\'t know your (UK) Alpha, but our (US) Alpha was long gone before Delta. Alpha was replaced by Xi. Xi was (not) a friend of mine. I know Xi. Alpha/Delta ain\'t Xi.

Alpha: Mar 2020 to Jun 2020, VIP
Xi: Jun 2020 to Present
Delta: Jun 2021 to Oct 2021, VIP
Omicron: Dec 2021 to Present

Notice that Xi (Class B: D614G, Class C: D614G+E484Q) was king in Nov 2021. Delta was gone and Omicron was not there yet.

Xi remain fairly constant during the Delta wave. I did not track it closely, but can probably be proven from historical data. But for Omicron:

[Samples/New Cases]_|_Xi_Class_B__Xi_Class_C__Omicron
01: [30893/0670000] | 07%(045501) 92%(614241) 01%(0004077)
02: [13434/0832000] | 03%(021676) 76%(637099) 16%(0132164)
03: [15960/0860000] | 04%(037127) 52%(444495) 38%(0330206)
04: [07619/1430000] | 02%(035285) 32%(457022) 59%(0848353)
05: [06773/2800000] | 12%(339820) 19%(523786) 60%(1675535)
06: [08068/5300000] | 03%(139923) 08%(434222) 85%(4526153)
07: [10431/4132000] | 06%(230546) 17%(692430) 71%(2928170)

Xi (B and C) is fairly constant at around half a million to a million new cases per week. Omicron peaked at 85%, 4.5 million cases in week 6.