Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?...

[Jan Panteltje]

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 7:23:12 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

The long-lived stuff stays dangerous for about 100,000 years or so. Continental drift moves chunks of rocks around quite a bit in that kind of time scale.

Australia is moving north at 7 cm per year at the moment. That\'s 7 km in 100,000 years

The Pacific plate under western Californian is moving northwest with respect to the American plate by 4.6 cm per year. That\'s 4.6 km in the same period. Not a lot, but it can mess up the rocks in the vicinity.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 2/28/2023 13:57, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 7:23:12 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

The long-lived stuff stays dangerous for about 100,000 years or so. Continental drift moves chunks of rocks around quite a bit in that kind of time scale.

Australia is moving north at 7 cm per year at the moment. That\'s 7 km in 100,000 years

The Pacific plate under western Californian is moving northwest with respect to the American plate by 4.6 cm per year. That\'s 4.6 km in the same period. Not a lot, but it can mess up the rocks in the vicinity.

Why not worry about the end of the universe as well then.
Or, on a shorter timescale, stop breathing so we don\'t exhale
CO2.
As if antinuclear talk has not done enough damage to energy
production already.
I am sure you know better than help spreading all that nonsense.

------------------------------------------------------
Dimiter Popoff, TGI http://www.tgi-sci.com
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/didi_tgi/

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 11:23:45 PM UTC+11, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

On 2/28/2023 13:57, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 7:23:12 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

The long-lived stuff stays dangerous for about 100,000 years or so. Continental drift moves chunks of rocks around quite a bit in that kind of time scale.

Australia is moving north at 7 cm per year at the moment. That\'s 7 km in 100,000 years

The Pacific plate under western Californian is moving northwest with respect to the American plate by 4.6 cm per year. That\'s 4.6 km in the same period. Not a lot, but it can mess up the rocks in the vicinity.

Why not worry about the end of the universe as well then.
Or, on a shorter timescale, stop breathing so we don\'t exhale CO2.

Ignoring problems doesn\'t make them go away.

> As if antinuclear talk has not done enough damage to energy production already.

Nuclear reactors make sense in space-craft and submarines. In the grid they produce excessively expensive electricity, and take much too long to build..

Pronuclear talk is essentially produced by people who want to build atomic bombs. Too cheap to meter was lie from the start.

> I am sure you know better than help spreading all that nonsense.

I know better than to think it nonsense. I did my Ph,D, in chemistry back when nuclear power was more popular, and we had a our own cobalt-60 source to keep the radio-chemists busy. The sloppy bastards put everybody at risk from time to time.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 3:23:12 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?

You\'ll never know from reading that crap article written by an airhead who obviously lacks any sense of organization whatsoever.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

Modern bombs are clean, there\'s not much fallout. Nuclear bombs aren\'t all they\'re cracked up to be. They only appear to be devastating when used on high density population centers- mainly because they are, but, outside that particular scenario, the destruction is not so much.

 

[bitrex]

On 2/28/2023 9:54 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 3:23:12 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?

You\'ll never know from reading that crap article written by an airhead who obviously lacks any sense of organization whatsoever.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

Modern bombs are clean, there\'s not much fallout. Nuclear bombs aren\'t all they\'re cracked up to be. They only appear to be devastating when used on high density population centers- mainly because they are, but, outside that particular scenario, the destruction is not so much.

Ground burst neutron activation. Strikes against relatively hard targets
like airfields, missile silos, submarine bases, military bases believed
to have underground complexes/bunkers are going to be ground blasts and
kick up millions of tons of radioactive dirt

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 10:07:31 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 2/28/2023 9:54 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 3:23:12 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?

You\'ll never know from reading that crap article written by an airhead who obviously lacks any sense of organization whatsoever.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

Modern bombs are clean, there\'s not much fallout. Nuclear bombs aren\'t all they\'re cracked up to be. They only appear to be devastating when used on high density population centers- mainly because they are, but, outside that particular scenario, the destruction is not so much.
Ground burst neutron activation. Strikes against relatively hard targets
like airfields, missile silos, submarine bases, military bases believed
to have underground complexes/bunkers are going to be ground blasts and
kick up millions of tons of radioactive dirt

That\'s millions of tons of dirt that happens to contain radioactive material. That\'s not to be confused with millions of tons of radioactive fallout.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:15:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

There are lots of ways to get rid of nuclear waste. Their only problem
is political.

 

[bitrex]

On 2/28/2023 10:11 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 10:07:31 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/28/2023 9:54 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 3:23:12 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?

You\'ll never know from reading that crap article written by an airhead who obviously lacks any sense of organization whatsoever.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

Modern bombs are clean, there\'s not much fallout. Nuclear bombs aren\'t all they\'re cracked up to be. They only appear to be devastating when used on high density population centers- mainly because they are, but, outside that particular scenario, the destruction is not so much.
Ground burst neutron activation. Strikes against relatively hard targets
like airfields, missile silos, submarine bases, military bases believed
to have underground complexes/bunkers are going to be ground blasts and
kick up millions of tons of radioactive dirt

To be clearer, some amount of the previously stable isotopes in the soil
itself are made radioactive by close exposure to gajillions of
high-energy neutrons.

> That\'s millions of tons of dirt that happens to contain radioactive material. That\'s not to be confused with millions of tons of radioactive fallout.

As you like. Ronald Reagan is recorded to have once quipped something
like \"_I_ didn\'t have cancer, my colon had cancer and they removed the
cancer from my colon\"

 

[bitrex]

On 2/28/2023 10:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:15:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

There are lots of ways to get rid of nuclear waste. Their only problem
is political.

Citizens in \"red states\" out west historically haven\'t been any more
enamored of land in their states being used as nuclear waste dumps, than
anyone in Vermont or Rhode Island would be about it being put in their
backyard.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 10:33:18 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 2/28/2023 10:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:15:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

There are lots of ways to get rid of nuclear waste. Their only problem
is political.


Citizens in \"red states\" out west historically haven\'t been any more
enamored of land in their states being used as nuclear waste dumps, than
anyone in Vermont or Rhode Island would be about it being put in their
backyard.

Then let them freeze in the dark.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 28 Feb 2023 05:42:38 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<c20c9597-cc02-41fa-b669-01aa83a78dc8n@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 11:23:45=E2=80=AFPM UTC+11, Dimiter_Popoff
wrote:
On 2/28/2023 13:57, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 7:23:12=E2=80=AFPM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/


Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

The long-lived stuff stays dangerous for about 100,000 years or so. Continental
drift moves chunks of rocks around quite a bit in that kind of time
scale.

Australia is moving north at 7 cm per year at the moment. That\'s 7 km in
100,000 years

The Pacific plate under western Californian is moving northwest with respect
to the American plate by 4.6 cm per year. That\'s 4.6 km in the same period.
Not a lot, but it can mess up the rocks in the vicinity.

Why not worry about the end of the universe as well then.
Or, on a shorter timescale, stop breathing so we don\'t exhale CO2.

Ignoring problems doesn\'t make them go away.

As if antinuclear talk has not done enough damage to energy production already.

Nuclear
reactors make sense in space-craft and submarines. In the grid they
produce excessively expensive electricity, and take much too long to build.

Only take long to build because the cold war songs scared people resulting
in too many regulations.
In fact nuclear energy is cheap, France has 70% of electric power from nuclear reactors.
here in the Netherlands 2 more nuclear reactors will be build.

Pronuclear
talk is essentially produced by people who want to build atomic bombs.
Too cheap to meter was lie from the start.

Sure plutonium can be made with those.
Uranium enrichment, also radioactive isotopes to kill cancers can be produced in those reactors.
EVERYTHING is dangerous, cars, trains. (!), planes,
Tens of people just died in a mine in China I did read.
Inhaling smoke from coal plants and diesel cars has likely shortened the life of millions.
Compared to all that, nuclear is really safe, in the eighties I think it was we got exposed to Chernobyl
fallout here, well I am still around, the airco filers where I worked had to be replaced as those were hot.
so inhaling it outside and at home all day long! You were warned not to eat stuff from your garden,
Life must have evolved and been exposed to much higher levels of radiation than we have now.
DNA has a repair mechanism.
Wildlife is flourishing in the forbidden zone around Chernobyl.
Paranoia ..

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 28 Feb 2023 06:54:36 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<0091cbd5-c357-4e70-a5a1-4e05d852612an@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 3:23:12=E2=80=AFAM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?

You\'ll never know from reading that crap article written by an airhead who obviously
lacks any sense of organization whatsoever.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/


Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

Modern bombs are clean, there\'s not much fallout. Nuclear bombs aren\'t all they\'re
cracked up to be. They only appear to be devastating when used on high
density population centers- mainly because they are, but, outside that particular
scenario, the destruction is not so much.

More than 4000 on each side in a US Russia exchange
just Where does the population go?

 

[bitrex]

On 2/28/2023 10:57 AM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 10:33:18 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 2/28/2023 10:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:15:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

There are lots of ways to get rid of nuclear waste. Their only problem
is political.


Citizens in \"red states\" out west historically haven\'t been any more
enamored of land in their states being used as nuclear waste dumps, than
anyone in Vermont or Rhode Island would be about it being put in their
backyard.

Then let them freeze in the dark.

If fission nuclear had so much going for it, it would be popular by now,
nobody could stop it, certainly not NIMBYs.

Its biggest enemy has been itself, in that once you factor in all the
externalities, potential long-term liabilities, and startup costs, it\'s
just not that cheap a way of generating power.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:26:50 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 2/28/2023 10:57 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 10:33:18 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 2/28/2023 10:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:15:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

There are lots of ways to get rid of nuclear waste. Their only problem
is political.


Citizens in \"red states\" out west historically haven\'t been any more
enamored of land in their states being used as nuclear waste dumps, than
anyone in Vermont or Rhode Island would be about it being put in their
backyard.

Then let them freeze in the dark.


If fission nuclear had so much going for it, it would be popular by now,
nobody could stop it, certainly not NIMBYs.

Its biggest enemy has been itself, in that once you factor in all the
externalities, potential long-term liabilities, and startup costs, it\'s
just not that cheap a way of generating power.

It works in France.

If we had rational regulation and we reprocessed fuel, it would be
even cheaper.

 

[Sjouke Burry]

On 28.02.23 17:11, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 28 Feb 2023 06:54:36 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
0091cbd5-c357-4e70-a5a1-4e05d852612an@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 3:23:12=E2=80=AFAM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?

You\'ll never know from reading that crap article written by an airhead who obviously
lacks any sense of organization whatsoever.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/


Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

Modern bombs are clean, there\'s not much fallout. Nuclear bombs aren\'t all they\'re
cracked up to be. They only appear to be devastating when used on high
density population centers- mainly because they are, but, outside that particular
scenario, the destruction is not so much.

More than 4000 on each side in a US Russia exchange
just Where does the population go?

To heaven they hope..........

 

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In article <bubsvh99p21j730geq8n7ij7k4pueutvc7@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <xx@yy.com> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:26:50 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 2/28/2023 10:57 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 10:33:18 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 2/28/2023 10:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:15:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

There are lots of ways to get rid of nuclear waste. Their only problem
is political.


Citizens in \"red states\" out west historically haven\'t been any more
enamored of land in their states being used as nuclear waste dumps, than
anyone in Vermont or Rhode Island would be about it being put in their
backyard.

Then let them freeze in the dark.


If fission nuclear had so much going for it, it would be popular by now,
nobody could stop it, certainly not NIMBYs.

Its biggest enemy has been itself, in that once you factor in all the
externalities, potential long-term liabilities, and startup costs, it\'s
just not that cheap a way of generating power.

It works in France.

No it doesn\'t. It is not cost-effective. All costs were extracted
from the defense budget, because France wanted to have their
atomic bomb.
Same situation applies to the oil-drenched Iran.

If we had rational regulation and we reprocessed fuel, it would be
even cheaper.

Reprocessing fuel, especially plutonium, is a boon for terrorists.

Groetjes Albert




>
--
Don\'t praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn\'t make spring.
You must not say \"hey\" before you have crossed the bridge. Don\'t sell the
hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
the air. First gain is a cat spinning. - the Wise from Antrim -

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 11:48:40 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:26:50 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 2/28/2023 10:57 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 10:33:18 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 2/28/2023 10:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:15:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid
wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

There are lots of ways to get rid of nuclear waste. Their only problem
is political.


Citizens in \"red states\" out west historically haven\'t been any more
enamored of land in their states being used as nuclear waste dumps, than
anyone in Vermont or Rhode Island would be about it being put in their
backyard.

Then let them freeze in the dark.


If fission nuclear had so much going for it, it would be popular by now,
nobody could stop it, certainly not NIMBYs.

Its biggest enemy has been itself, in that once you factor in all the
externalities, potential long-term liabilities, and startup costs, it\'s
just not that cheap a way of generating power.
It works in France.

If we had rational regulation and we reprocessed fuel, it would be
even cheaper.

Speaking of France, global warming is even catching up with nuclear:

The French energy supplier EDF is temporarily reducing output at its nuclear power stations on the Rhône and Garonne rivers as heatwaves push up river temperatures, restricting its ability to use river water to cool the plants.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/03/edf-to-reduce-nuclear-power-output-as-french-river-temperatures-rise

Soooo...what you have is a gazillion dollar infrastructure built around the inexhaustible Earth mindset going kaplunk along with everything else.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 11:19:48 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 28 Feb 2023 06:54:36 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
0091cbd5-c357-4e70...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 3:23:12=E2=80=AFAM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?

You\'ll never know from reading that crap article written by an airhead who obviously
lacks any sense of organization whatsoever.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/


Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

Modern bombs are clean, there\'s not much fallout. Nuclear bombs aren\'t all they\'re
cracked up to be. They only appear to be devastating when used on high
density population centers- mainly because they are, but, outside that particular
scenario, the destruction is not so much.
More than 4000 on each side in a US Russia exchange
just Where does the population go?

Most of them get burned beyond help. There is not enough medical supply in the world to help them. Burns, as in 3rd degree, are one of the most resource intensive injuries to treat- it cannot be done on the scale they will see in modern times. They\'ll all be dead for sure in a few days.

Main thing is FEMA has a plan:

https://www.fema.gov/sites/default/files/documents/fema_nuc-detonation-planning-guide.pdf