Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?...

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 2 Mar 2023 23:43:22 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<74ee1740-4b4c-4df6-a632-6fda0a97d841n@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:33:33=E2=80=AFPM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 2 Mar 2023 19:21:35 +0100) it happened \"Carlos E.R.\"

robin_...@es.invalid> wrote in <f267djx...@Telcontar.valinor>:
On 2023-02-28 17:07, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 28 Feb 2023 05:42:38 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony

William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <c20c9597-cc02-41fa...@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 11:23:45=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM UTC+11, Dimiter_Popoff
wrote:
On 2/28/2023 13:57, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 7:23:12=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM UTC+11, Jan
Panteltje wrote:

snip

Yes, they built them in order to be able to make bombs. Electricity was

a byproduct. Didn\'t you know?

Oh yes human beings are a byproduct of processes in stars,
Didn\'t you know?

Human beings do rely on atoms heavier than iron, but we aren\'t a by-product
of supernova - we evolved after supernova had seeded our stellar environment
with heavy atoms, and we exploit a few of them,

You are twisting reality..
Human beings are the byproduct of the big bang (if it existed at all).

Nuclear reactors are an excellent excuse for building up the technological base
which allows you to make nuclear bombs. Claiming that nuclear reactors
provide cheap electric power - they don\'t -

Well actually they do, you have not provided any link.
Hundreds die each year in coal mines , coal used to power electricity plants.
So the cost of human life.
We had coal mines here,...
There is a lot going on in Germany now where a whole village is being flattened to make place for coal mining.

is the sort of lie that politicians
produce nonstop.

In the seventies I had a friend and she was into that climate crap, was reading little leaflets
where earth was displayed as a burned ball with a big hole in it.
Later she became a teacher and was for sure teaching the same crap to the next generation.
Fear sells, a whole industry is selling snake oil.
Its all close to idiotic.
So here they are insulating the houses, double glazing double walls filled with insulation stuff...
solar panels on the roofs...
All to reduce dependening on conventional fuels, like gas and coal and oil..
But I asked: Why not place aircos, many old people were getting cooked in houses last year
with temperatures close to 40 degrees C...
Think of the people first before scrapping good reliable systems.
But no, US makes war here and blows up the Northstream 2 pipeline for cheap gas from Russia.
So US can sell it own gas.
That is an hostile act.
So even (and we have Euratom) nuclear plants produce some plutonium, welcome!
We need our own European army, nuclear power at that (as France has) to defend ourself against US insanity
and imperialism and snake oil,
And make peace with Russia,
US making wars all over the world far from their own bed has been its game since Vietnam, maybe even earlier
It has no moral (nuking Japanese civilians) and screams the loudest if anyone else even contemplates
making nukes.
Killed the Native Americans, then made itself displayed as the good guys in their movies that then were sold
as indoctrination to the rest of the planet.

/

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 7:15:12 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 2 Mar 2023 23:43:22 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <74ee1740-4b4c-4df6...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:33:33=E2=80=AFPM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 2 Mar 2023 19:21:35 +0100) it happened \"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote in <f267djx...@Telcontar.valinor>:
On 2023-02-28 17:07, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 28 Feb 2023 05:42:38 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <c20c9597-cc02-41fa...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 11:23:45=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM UTC+11, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 2/28/2023 13:57, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 7:23:12=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM UTC+11, JanPanteltje wrote:

snip

Yes, they built them in order to be able to make bombs. Electricity was

a byproduct. Didn\'t you know?

Oh yes human beings are a byproduct of processes in stars,
Didn\'t you know?

Human beings do rely on atoms heavier than iron, but we aren\'t a by-product
of supernova - we evolved after supernova had seeded our stellar environment
with heavy atoms, and we exploit a few of them.

You are twisting reality..

Actually, I\'m spelling it out. A by-product is something that is produced at the same time as the primary product.

You may want to redefine the word to suit your argument, but that really is twisting reality.

> Human beings are the byproduct of the big bang (if it existed at all).

\"Remote consequences\" aren\'t \"by-products\".

Nuclear reactors are an excellent excuse for building up the technological base
which allows you to make nuclear bombs. Claiming that nuclear reactors
provide cheap electric power - they don\'t -

Well actually they do, you have not provided any link.

Not recently. You haven\'t provided a link to justify your claim, which might be difficult because your claim does seem to be wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

Hundreds die each year in coal mines , coal used to power electricity plants.
So the cost of human life.
We had coal mines here,...
There is a lot going on in Germany now where a whole village is being flattened to make place for coal mining.

is the sort of lie that politicians produce nonstop.

In the seventies I had a friend and she was into that climate crap, was reading little leaflets where earth was displayed as a burned ball with a big hole in it.
Later she became a teacher and was for sure teaching the same crap to the next generation.

Except that is isn\'t crap. What you peddle is climate change denial, which really is crap.

> Fear sells, a whole industry is selling snake oil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

Actually selling climate change denial is an expensive business, but if you are making a bundle out of digging up fossil carbon and selling it as fuel, it pays to spend a bit on persuading the stupider members of the public that you should be allowed to keep on doing it.

> Its all close to idiotic.

It takes idiots like you and John Larkin to get suckered by it, but there are a lot of gullible twits around.

So here they are insulating the houses, double glazing double walls filled with insulation stuff... solar panels on the roofs...
All to reduce dependening on conventional fuels, like gas and coal and oil..

It\'s cheaper to heat or air-condition a properly insulated house. The house is more expensive to buy but cheaper to run.

> But I asked: Why not place aircos, many old people were getting cooked in houses last year with temperatures close to 40 degrees C...

Air-conditioners work both ways. Mine warms me in winter as well as cooling me in summer.

> Think of the people first before scrapping good reliable systems.

Climate change is what you get when you stick to old-fashioned ideas for too long.

> But no, US makes war here and blows up the Northstream 2 pipeline for cheap gas from Russia.

It was Russia that invaded the Ukraine, not the US, and nobody knows who blew up the Northstream 2 pipeline.

> So US can sell it own gas.

Really?

> That is an hostile act.

It might have been, if they did it.

So even (and we have Euratom) nuclear plants produce some plutonium, welcome! \\
We need our own European army, nuclear power at that (as France has) to defend ourself against US insanity and imperialism and snake oil,
And make peace with Russia,

Jan hasn\'t noticed that it was Russia that invaded the Ukraine. Putin\'s claims about defending Russia agaisnt sexually deviant Ukranian Nazi\'s don\'t sound all that sane to me.

> US making wars all over the world far from their own bed has been its game since Vietnam, maybe even earlier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

> It has no morals (nuking Japanese civilians) and screams the loudest if anyone else even contemplates making nukes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

Starting firestorms in Tokyo and Hamburg killed civilians on the same scale.. It was a tactic pioneered by the Germans on Rotterdam.
War does tend to be immoral.

> Killed the Native Americans, then made itself displayed as the good guys in their movies that then were sold as indoctrination to the rest of the planet.

That\'s the movie industry for you. Grow up.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 3 Mar 2023 03:58:55 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<2d77297e-01fb-4e12-93ef-55bcab2d543en@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 7:15:12=E2=80=AFPM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 2 Mar 2023 23:43:22 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <74ee1740-4b4c-4df6...@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:33:33=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 2 Mar 2023 19:21:35 +0100) it happened \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote in <f267djx...@Telcontar.valinor>:
On 2023-02-28 17:07, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 28 Feb 2023 05:42:38 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <c20c9597-cc02-41fa...@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 11:23:45=3D3DE2=3D3D80=3D3DAFPM UTC+11,
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 2/28/2023 13:57, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 7:23:12=3D3DE2=3D3D80=3D3DAFPM UTC+11,
JanPanteltje wrote:

snip

Yes, they built them in order to be able to make bombs. Electricity was


a byproduct. Didn\'t you know?

Oh yes human beings are a byproduct of processes in stars,
Didn\'t you know?

Human beings do rely on atoms heavier than iron, but we aren\'t a by-product

of supernova - we evolved after supernova had seeded our stellar environment

with heavy atoms, and we exploit a few of them.

You are twisting reality..

Actually, I\'m spelling it out. A by-product is something that is produced at
the same time as the primary product.

You may want to redefine the word to suit your argument, but that really is
twisting reality.

Human beings are the byproduct of the big bang (if it existed at all).

\"Remote consequences\" aren\'t \"by-products\".

Nuclear reactors are an excellent excuse for building up the technological
base
which allows you to make nuclear bombs. Claiming that nuclear reactors

provide cheap electric power - they don\'t -

Well actually they do, you have not provided any link.

Not recently. You haven\'t provided a link to justify your claim, which might
be difficult because your claim does seem to be wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

Hundreds die each year in coal mines , coal used to power electricity plants.

So the cost of human life.
We had coal mines here,...
There is a lot going on in Germany now where a whole village is being flattened
to make place for coal mining.

is the sort of lie that politicians produce nonstop.

In the seventies I had a friend and she was into that climate crap, was reading
little leaflets where earth was displayed as a burned ball with a big
hole in it.
Later she became a teacher and was for sure teaching the same crap to the
next generation.

Except that is isn\'t crap. What you peddle is climate change denial, which really
is crap.

Fear sells, a whole industry is selling snake oil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

Actually selling climate change denial is an expensive business, but if you
are making a bundle out of digging up fossil carbon and selling it as fuel,
it pays to spend a bit on persuading the stupider members of the public that
you should be allowed to keep on doing it.

Its all close to idiotic.

It takes idiots like you and John Larkin to get suckered by it, but there are
a lot of gullible twits around.

So here they are insulating the houses, double glazing double walls filled
with insulation stuff... solar panels on the roofs...
All to reduce dependening on conventional fuels, like gas and coal and oil..

It\'s
cheaper to heat or air-condition a properly insulated house. The house
is more expensive to buy but cheaper to run.

But I asked: Why not place aircos, many old people were getting cooked in
houses last year with temperatures close to 40 degrees C...

Air-conditioners work both ways. Mine warms me in winter as well as cooling
me in summer.

Think of the people first before scrapping good reliable systems.

Climate change is what you get when you stick to old-fashioned ideas for too
long.

But no, US makes war here and blows up the Northstream 2 pipeline for cheap
gas from Russia.

It was Russia that invaded the Ukraine, not the US, and nobody knows who blew
up the Northstream 2 pipeline.

So US can sell it own gas.

Really?

That is an hostile act.

It might have been, if they did it.

So even (and we have Euratom) nuclear plants produce some plutonium, welcome!
\\
We need our own European army, nuclear power at that (as France has) to defend
ourself against US insanity and imperialism and snake oil,
And make peace with Russia,

Jan hasn\'t noticed that it was Russia that invaded the Ukraine. Putin\'s claims
about defending Russia agaisnt sexually deviant Ukranian Nazi\'s don\'t sound
all that sane to me.

US making wars all over the world far from their own bed has been its game
since Vietnam, maybe even earlier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

It has no morals (nuking Japanese civilians) and screams the loudest if anyone
else even contemplates making nukes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

Starting firestorms in Tokyo and Hamburg killed civilians on the same scale.
It was a tactic pioneered by the Germans on Rotterdam.
War does tend to be immoral.

Killed the Native Americans, then made itself displayed as the good guys in
their movies that then were sold as indoctrination to the rest of the planet.

That\'s
the movie industry for you. Grow up.

You lose again...

 

[Ricky]

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:36:22 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 2 Mar 2023 10:04:31 -0500) it happened bitrex
us...@example.net> wrote in <3W2ML.1624969$vBI8.1...@fx15.iad>:
On 3/1/2023 9:11 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 3/1/2023 3:43, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:29:21â ¯AM UTC+11, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 2/28/2023 18:48, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:26:50 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 2/28/2023 10:57 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 10:33:18 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 2/28/2023 10:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:15:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje
al...@comet.invalid
wrote:

Could deep boreholes solve our nuclear waste problem?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/could-deep-boreholes-solve-our-nuclear-waste-problem/

Of course it does not solve the radioactive fallout from WW3..

There are lots of ways to get rid of nuclear waste. Their only
problem
is political.


Citizens in \"red states\" out west historically haven\'t been any more
enamored of land in their states being used as nuclear waste
dumps, than
anyone in Vermont or Rhode Island would be about it being put in
their
backyard.

Then let them freeze in the dark.


If fission nuclear had so much going for it, it would be popular by
now,
nobody could stop it, certainly not NIMBYs.

Its biggest enemy has been itself, in that once you factor in all the
externalities, potential long-term liabilities, and startup costs,
it\'s
just not that cheap a way of generating power.

It works in France.

If we had rational regulation and we reprocessed fuel, it would be
even cheaper.

Of course it works and of course it is cheaper. Here they publish
the cost per MWh from the only NPP and the rest and it is much
cheaper than coal, gas, anything.

But you haven\'t posted the numbers. and governments have been known to
lie about the costs of prestige products.

In the West nuclear power isn\'t cheap.

I am sure you can find some figures to support this.
None of which are credible.
And please no windmills nonsense. These will leave us all in
the dark eventually, not that I am young enough to worry about
this, I don;t have many decades left and it will take some
until we exhaust the resources built last century.


But I am sort of giving up on arguing sense, the antinuclear crowd
are stoneheads without even basic knowledge on the subject but
as voicy as they come. It is a religion, if it were not they
would not be half as fuming.

The pro-nuclear crowd are no less vocal.

Not true.


There\'s no religion involved in being unhappy about being exposed
to>extra ionising radiation. That\'s pure self-perservation.

I am sure you think so. So what was the activity of those 60Co
sources your radiochemistry colleagues were negligent with to
expose you to danger.
Having a phobia and self preservation are very different, you know.

This guy I\'m acquainted with who lived in the area and was complaining
about the decommission of Pilgrim Nuclear plant also liked to complain
that they had sirens to warn the public in case there was a release of
radiation, and tested them from time to time. \"They didn\'t need any of
that stuff, waste of money. Just scares people\"

He also naturally believes Covid vaccines are a secret deep state plot
to \"damage my DNA\"
The deep state plot was to have the US Military Industrial Complex create COVID
and let an overseas (in this case Chinese) lab play with it as it was too dangerous to do it in the US,
(backfired however in a big way) and then to have the US Medical Industrial Complex sell vaccines against it.
Overseas because their experiment on their own people with HIV went totally out of control.

Every time someone says, \"Deep State\", an angle gets it\'s wings. They laugh a lot too, like Fauci.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 2:57:53 AM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 3 Mar 2023 03:58:55 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <2d77297e-01fb-4e12...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 7:15:12=E2=80=AFPM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 2 Mar 2023 23:43:22 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <74ee1740-4b4c-4df6...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:33:33=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 2 Mar 2023 19:21:35 +0100) it happened \"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote in <f267djx...@Telcontar.valinor>:
On 2023-02-28 17:07, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 28 Feb 2023 05:42:38 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <c20c9597-cc02-41fa....@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 11:23:45=3D3DE2=3D3D80=3D3DAFPM UTC+11,Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 2/28/2023 13:57, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 7:23:12=3D3DE2=3D3D80=3D3DAFPM UTC+11, JanPanteltje wrote:

<snip>

> You lose again...

Jan Panteltje can\'t be bothered to explain why he thinks this. Like Flyguy, he is dumb enough to believe his own arguments. and much too dumb to realise how wrong they are.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 3 Mar 2023 18:39:40 -0800 (PST)) it happened Ricky
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<cda57756-ed9a-4f3f-ad77-58f59c7c6f16n@googlegroups.com>:

Every time someone says, \"Deep State\", an angle gets it\'s wings. They laugh
a lot too, like Fauci.

Angle or Angel ? ;-)

Fauci should have gotten as my life sentences as people died from covid, or just the chair.
Same goes for some US warmonger presidents like ByeThen for example.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

Glowball Billy wrote:

snip snip snip snippperdesnip

You lost!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:15:32 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Glowball Billy wrote:

snip snip snip snippperdesnip


You lost!

Jan Panteltje always thinks he wins. It\'s easier on his ego than recognising reality, not that he has the wit to do that anyway.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jan Panteltje]

Glowball Billy wrote:

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:15:32=E2=80=AFPM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Glowball Billy wrote:

snip snip snip snippperdesnip


You lost!

Jan Panteltje always wins.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

Glowball Bot wrote:
>Bill Sloman, Sydney

Yea, I see the media reached and programmed you.
Pity it now is in ROM and not EEPROM.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:38:31 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Bill Sloman, Sydney

Yea, I see the media reached and programmed you.
Pity it now is in ROM and not EEPROM.

Not so much the media as the scientific literature, and I got trained in reading that in a way that let me pull out the coherent story.

You seem to be more vulnerable to being programmed with idiot opinions, if what you post about Russian and the Ukraine is anything to go by, and you comfort yourself with the idea that anybody who doesn\'t share your silly ideas has been programmed with a different heap of nonsense.

There actually is an objective reality out there, not that you seem to have enough sense to recognise any of it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney