conservation of Euros

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 17:26:12 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 08:27:32 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:


snip

Omnivorous. Provided that you eat on average roughly the right amount.

..of everything.

High fructose corn syrup seems to be a dodgy concoction used in US soft
drinks that is delivering extremely high levels of diabetes for example.

You can blame Congress for that.

Here we can get Cokes, in glass bottles, smuggled in from Mexico.
They're made with real sugar and cost $1.50 each.

I like the Safeway cola better than Coke. Less sweet and cloying, less
cinnamon flavor, more compatible with rum.

There's debate over whether HFCS is really any worse than sugar.
People eat corn and fruit all the time. To a body, all sugars are
probably pretty much the same, molecules to be ripped apart for fuel.
Regular corn syrup, mostly glucose, is one indispensable ingredient in
pecan pie.

John

 

[krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Mon, 24 May 2010 22:43:07 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:

JKK > That is gross profit, not markup.

krw > Huh? Gross profit is markup. Price - cost.

G > Are you mixing real numbers with percentages?

G > W 100
G > R 120
G > GP 20
G > MU 20 % ( GP/W )
G > Gross Profit Margin 16 % ( GP/R )

krw > That's all just pushing the same two numbers around.

G > Business insiders tend to focus on margin.
G > Consumers often focus on the markup.

krw > Distinction without a difference; same numbers.

G > You think 16% == 20% ?

krw > Don't be stupid. ...or do you share DimBulb's neuron?

G > Nope.

krw > Evidently.

G > Why did you try to pretend that
G > margin and markup are the same thing?

krw > You still don't get it. They *ARE* the
krw > same numbers, just stirred up. They
krw > mean *exactly* the same thing.

G > Markup is the percentage OF WHOLESALE that is GP.
G > Margin is the percentage OF RETAIL that is GP.
G > They are two different ratios.

krw > Of the *SAME* NUMBERS. Sheesh.

G > This would be as if you looked at P= I x E and
G
G > E
G > -------
G > I x R
G
G > And then announced that Watts == Amps.
G
G > You could say they are just reworks
G > of the same numbers, right? LOL

krw > The independent variables are the *SAME*.
krw > Your representation of them is all
krw > that is different.

G > Please confirm that you think Amps and Watts
G > are the same thing, for the same reasons.

krw > Know two, you get eggroll.  ...except in
krw > this case there are only two possible
krw > variables.

G > Are you impaired?

krw > No, you're just beyond stupid.

krw > I think we have a new DimBulb, DimBulb.

G > By your reasoning, Amps and Watts are
G > the same thing. After all:

krw > The independent variables are the *SAME*.
krw > Your representation of them is all
krw > that is different.

G > LOL

krw > Good thing that you're laughing.  Everyone
krw > else is laughing at you too, Junior.

Oh! That stings!

Please stop hurting my feelings mister
usenet poster!

Please stop with the non-standard posting. It shows you for the idiot you
are.

I offended your sensibilities by pointing out
that profit margin and markup are not the
same thing?

They are *exactly* the same thing, expressed differently.

And as a BONUS you have asserted that
Amps and Watts are the same thing...

Different issue completely. They are representations of physical entities.
"Margin" and "markup" are not.

I'm not saying it isn't easy to convert, but
getting terminology right IS important
in some areas. For markup v margin or
Amps v Watts, getting terminology right
is too important to be dismissed.

No, you're just saying that you're stupid.

The fact that conversions are easy is
beside the point.

The fact that they are different representations of the same thing is not.

In both Engineering and business math,
incorrrectly affixed terminology is a big deal.

You're totally clueless.

<too bored talking to an idiot to read further>

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 17:41:05 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:00:10 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 08:47:55 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On May 23, 3:22 pm, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:00:00 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
If the Asian prices don't come down they'll get competition from the now
cheaper US companies. Looks like a win to me.
No win there. First, there are no US television or sneaker or clothes
manufacturers left. Even if there were or new ones would be sprouting up
they could not possibly compete with the made-in-China pair of $29.99
jogging shoes that consumers have come to expect at places like Costco.
It would be, "Oh, look, we can make the same sneakers for $60 instead of
$75 because of the "fair tax". Big deal.

and will be mighty miffed if he's a retiree.
*That* is the component I'm not happy about. I don't see anyone addressing
it, either.
I did, many times over in this thread, but hardly anyone understands :-(
We did, but I don't see any of the talking heads recognize it, on either side.
Then the whole thing should remain a non-starter. At least I hope so.
Sorry, I spent yesterday talking in person to the actual Fair Tax
guys, along with some U.S. congressmen. I'll chime in later, but for
now I'm swamped and pooped, with a left-handed shovel and a whole lot
of ____.

Oh, oh, major spill somewhere? I hate whan that happens, but been there :-(

Maybe James works for BP Microsystems. ;-)


Maybe be all send him a donation, one bag of Quikrete per poster

Sounds line an offer he cannot refuse.

Short version: no it's not in there, but yes, they're open to amending
their bill so as to exempt savings that have already been taxed.

This is extremely important. First, because they will get a ton of flak
from seniors and their organizations without taking care of this.

As has been shown recently, AARP can easily be bought off.


And people getting very miffed. There's a reason for all the tea
parties.

The press is doing everything it can to write off the tea partiers as kooks.

The Press is turning on Obama. Finally. So are a lot of Democrats, as
far as that goes.

John

 

[Dave Platt]

In article <t7kov5dl1mj30f3pk189ehurvi57e3mqjd@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

There's debate over whether HFCS is really any worse than sugar.
People eat corn and fruit all the time. To a body, all sugars are
probably pretty much the same, molecules to be ripped apart for fuel.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100322121115.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100322204628.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091029211521.htm

I've come to the conclusion that cutting down on high-glycemic-index
carbohydrates of all sorts is probably a good idea for most of us
(myself definitely included). Although I love fruit juice (Trader
Joe's blends especially) I've decided to cut back rather sharply on
the stuff, and take my daily fruit in the form of whole fruit that
doesn't hit the bloodstream quite as hard or quickly.

--
Dave Platt <dplatt@radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:44:40 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 17:26:12 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 08:27:32 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:


snip

Omnivorous. Provided that you eat on average roughly the right amount.

..of everything.

High fructose corn syrup seems to be a dodgy concoction used in US soft
drinks that is delivering extremely high levels of diabetes for example.

You can blame Congress for that.

Here we can get Cokes, in glass bottles, smuggled in from Mexico.
They're made with real sugar and cost $1.50 each.

With real Cuban sugar, probably.

I like the Safeway cola better than Coke. Less sweet and cloying, less
cinnamon flavor, more compatible with rum.

Made by Cott Corporation?

There's debate over whether HFCS is really any worse than sugar.
People eat corn and fruit all the time. To a body, all sugars are
probably pretty much the same, molecules to be ripped apart for fuel.
Regular corn syrup, mostly glucose, is one indispensable ingredient in
pecan pie.

But how many people guzzle multiple liters of pecan pie filling a day?

I think it would be silly to think that the human body is capable of
filtering a healthy mix out of whatever crap you pile in the top end,
as it's clearly incapable of controlling even the mass balance to a
healthy level. Why else would you see grossly obese teenagers?

John

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 16:22:14 -0700, the renowned dplatt@radagast.org
(Dave Platt) wrote:

In article <t7kov5dl1mj30f3pk189ehurvi57e3mqjd@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

There's debate over whether HFCS is really any worse than sugar.
People eat corn and fruit all the time. To a body, all sugars are
probably pretty much the same, molecules to be ripped apart for fuel.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100322121115.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100322204628.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091029211521.htm

I've come to the conclusion that cutting down on high-glycemic-index
carbohydrates of all sorts is probably a good idea for most of us
(myself definitely included). Although I love fruit juice (Trader
Joe's blends especially) I've decided to cut back rather sharply on
the stuff, and take my daily fruit in the form of whole fruit that
doesn't hit the bloodstream quite as hard or quickly.

Hard to resist Tropicana OJ for $4.98 US a US gallon at Sam's Club.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 19:40:40 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 16:22:14 -0700, the renowned dplatt@radagast.org
(Dave Platt) wrote:

In article <t7kov5dl1mj30f3pk189ehurvi57e3mqjd@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

There's debate over whether HFCS is really any worse than sugar.
People eat corn and fruit all the time. To a body, all sugars are
probably pretty much the same, molecules to be ripped apart for fuel.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100322121115.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100322204628.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091029211521.htm

I've come to the conclusion that cutting down on high-glycemic-index
carbohydrates of all sorts is probably a good idea for most of us
(myself definitely included). Although I love fruit juice (Trader
Joe's blends especially) I've decided to cut back rather sharply on
the stuff, and take my daily fruit in the form of whole fruit that
doesn't hit the bloodstream quite as hard or quickly.

Hard to resist Tropicana OJ for $4.98 US a US gallon at Sam's Club.

OJ is quite self-limiting. The acid does a real number on most, in short
order. I'd rather eat the whole thing, anyway.

 

[krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 19:34:54 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:44:40 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 17:26:12 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 08:27:32 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:


snip

Omnivorous. Provided that you eat on average roughly the right amount.

..of everything.

High fructose corn syrup seems to be a dodgy concoction used in US soft
drinks that is delivering extremely high levels of diabetes for example.

You can blame Congress for that.

Here we can get Cokes, in glass bottles, smuggled in from Mexico.
They're made with real sugar and cost $1.50 each.

With real Cuban sugar, probably.

I like the Safeway cola better than Coke. Less sweet and cloying, less
cinnamon flavor, more compatible with rum.

Made by Cott Corporation?

There's debate over whether HFCS is really any worse than sugar.
People eat corn and fruit all the time. To a body, all sugars are
probably pretty much the same, molecules to be ripped apart for fuel.
Regular corn syrup, mostly glucose, is one indispensable ingredient in
pecan pie.

But how many people guzzle multiple liters of pecan pie filling a day?

I think it would be silly to think that the human body is capable of
filtering a healthy mix out of whatever crap you pile in the top end,
as it's clearly incapable of controlling even the mass balance to a
healthy level. Why else would you see grossly obese teenagers?

Doesn't take enough work to press mouse buttons.

 

[krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 16:00:40 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 17:41:05 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:00:10 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 08:47:55 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On May 23, 3:22 pm, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:00:00 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
If the Asian prices don't come down they'll get competition from the now
cheaper US companies. Looks like a win to me.
No win there. First, there are no US television or sneaker or clothes
manufacturers left. Even if there were or new ones would be sprouting up
they could not possibly compete with the made-in-China pair of $29.99
jogging shoes that consumers have come to expect at places like Costco.
It would be, "Oh, look, we can make the same sneakers for $60 instead of
$75 because of the "fair tax". Big deal.

and will be mighty miffed if he's a retiree.
*That* is the component I'm not happy about. I don't see anyone addressing
it, either.
I did, many times over in this thread, but hardly anyone understands :-(
We did, but I don't see any of the talking heads recognize it, on either side.
Then the whole thing should remain a non-starter. At least I hope so.
Sorry, I spent yesterday talking in person to the actual Fair Tax
guys, along with some U.S. congressmen. I'll chime in later, but for
now I'm swamped and pooped, with a left-handed shovel and a whole lot
of ____.

Oh, oh, major spill somewhere? I hate whan that happens, but been there :-(

Maybe James works for BP Microsystems. ;-)


Maybe be all send him a donation, one bag of Quikrete per poster

Sounds line an offer he cannot refuse.

Short version: no it's not in there, but yes, they're open to amending
their bill so as to exempt savings that have already been taxed.

This is extremely important. First, because they will get a ton of flak
from seniors and their organizations without taking care of this.

As has been shown recently, AARP can easily be bought off.


And people getting very miffed. There's a reason for all the tea
parties.

The press is doing everything it can to write off the tea partiers as kooks.

The Press is turning on Obama. Finally. So are a lot of Democrats, as
far as that goes.

I'm not convinced. We'll see.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:44:40 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 17:26:12 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 08:27:32 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:


snip

Omnivorous. Provided that you eat on average roughly the right amount.

..of everything.

High fructose corn syrup seems to be a dodgy concoction used in US soft
drinks that is delivering extremely high levels of diabetes for example.

You can blame Congress for that.

Here we can get Cokes, in glass bottles, smuggled in from Mexico.
They're made with real sugar and cost $1.50 each.

With real Cuban sugar, probably.

I like the Safeway cola better than Coke. Less sweet and cloying, less
cinnamon flavor, more compatible with rum.

Made by Cott Corporation?

There's debate over whether HFCS is really any worse than sugar.
People eat corn and fruit all the time. To a body, all sugars are
probably pretty much the same, molecules to be ripped apart for fuel.
Regular corn syrup, mostly glucose, is one indispensable ingredient in
pecan pie.

But how many people guzzle multiple liters of pecan pie filling a day?

I think it would be silly to think that the human body is capable of
filtering a healthy mix out of whatever crap you pile in the top end,
as it's clearly incapable of controlling even the mass balance to a
healthy level. Why else would you see grossly obese teenagers?

They don't sleep enough, which casues them to keep eating. They don't
work more than their mouths or thumbs.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[Dave Platt]

In article <munov5tq2t1uu3caaf7p7ipdpmkr1iuoor@4ax.com>,
Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

Hard to resist Tropicana OJ for $4.98 US a US gallon at Sam's Club.

Not for me - I'm moderately allergic to most citrus fruits, and
drinking a gallon of OJ would leave me with a really wicked headache.

A shame... I do love the stuff, but it doesn't love me.

--
Dave Platt <dplatt@radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

 

[Joel Koltner]

<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:5roov59va5nocckdoultrhtoh4qlof38cm@4ax.com...

Doesn't take enough work to press mouse buttons.

I heard a report that said today's average adult expends about 300 calories
less per day than those back in the '60s, I think it was. The cause, of
course, is all the automation we have today... although even in the '60s I
suspect that, while the "average" adult was still doing more physical labor,
there were already plenty of folks with "desk jobs" who weren't.

As for teens today... the human body definitely has some amount of regulation
built-in, in that you can readily find teens with comparable body shapes/sizes
engaged in comparable activities but where one might consume 20000 calories
whereas another might consume 3000 and they both maintain a healthy weight.
Of course at some point that system does break down -- I doubt there's anyone
(other than, e.g., olympic-level athletes) who can consume, say, 5000 calories
a day without rapidly becoming obese, yet these days it's not that hard to
come by upwards of that many calories in a day if you're supersizing a lot of
fast food meals and keep a bag of "munchies" around.

An alternative point of view might be... even in, say, the '60s, there were
always a few teens who'd be overweight on, say, 2500 calories per day, despite
performing roughly the same amount of activity as their peers who weren't
overweight. ...and unless you *were* one of those overweight teens, you
probably never did much calorie counting. Today, the average caloric intake
probably is higher -- maybe, say, 300-3500 calories per day --, so you see
that many more overweight teens.

It's kinda unfortunate that the stomach respond more to bulk to measure
fullness than nutrition, whereas the palette tends to prefer sweat and/or
fatty foods that are highly calorically dense but not very bulky. There'd be
a lot fewer obese people around today if a Big Mac only contained 10
calories... (yes, some people would just eat more Big Macs, but many people I
think really are "eating for volume" more than "eating for calories").

---Joel

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 19:34:54 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:44:40 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 17:26:12 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 08:27:32 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:


snip

Omnivorous. Provided that you eat on average roughly the right amount.

..of everything.

High fructose corn syrup seems to be a dodgy concoction used in US soft
drinks that is delivering extremely high levels of diabetes for example.

You can blame Congress for that.

Here we can get Cokes, in glass bottles, smuggled in from Mexico.
They're made with real sugar and cost $1.50 each.

With real Cuban sugar, probably.

I like the Safeway cola better than Coke. Less sweet and cloying, less
cinnamon flavor, more compatible with rum.

Made by Cott Corporation?

There's debate over whether HFCS is really any worse than sugar.
People eat corn and fruit all the time. To a body, all sugars are
probably pretty much the same, molecules to be ripped apart for fuel.
Regular corn syrup, mostly glucose, is one indispensable ingredient in
pecan pie.

But how many people guzzle multiple liters of pecan pie filling a day?

Uh, I was hoping you wouldn't ask that question.

I think it would be silly to think that the human body is capable of
filtering a healthy mix out of whatever crap you pile in the top end,
as it's clearly incapable of controlling even the mass balance to a
healthy level. Why else would you see grossly obese teenagers?

Because they eat too much?

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 18:56:24 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 16:00:40 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 17:41:05 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:00:10 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 08:47:55 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On May 23, 3:22 pm, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:00:00 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
If the Asian prices don't come down they'll get competition from the now
cheaper US companies. Looks like a win to me.
No win there. First, there are no US television or sneaker or clothes
manufacturers left. Even if there were or new ones would be sprouting up
they could not possibly compete with the made-in-China pair of $29.99
jogging shoes that consumers have come to expect at places like Costco.
It would be, "Oh, look, we can make the same sneakers for $60 instead of
$75 because of the "fair tax". Big deal.

and will be mighty miffed if he's a retiree.
*That* is the component I'm not happy about. I don't see anyone addressing
it, either.
I did, many times over in this thread, but hardly anyone understands :-(
We did, but I don't see any of the talking heads recognize it, on either side.
Then the whole thing should remain a non-starter. At least I hope so.
Sorry, I spent yesterday talking in person to the actual Fair Tax
guys, along with some U.S. congressmen. I'll chime in later, but for
now I'm swamped and pooped, with a left-handed shovel and a whole lot
of ____.

Oh, oh, major spill somewhere? I hate whan that happens, but been there :-(

Maybe James works for BP Microsystems. ;-)


Maybe be all send him a donation, one bag of Quikrete per poster

Sounds line an offer he cannot refuse.

Short version: no it's not in there, but yes, they're open to amending
their bill so as to exempt savings that have already been taxed.

This is extremely important. First, because they will get a ton of flak
from seniors and their organizations without taking care of this.

As has been shown recently, AARP can easily be bought off.


And people getting very miffed. There's a reason for all the tea
parties.

The press is doing everything it can to write off the tea partiers as kooks.

The Press is turning on Obama. Finally. So are a lot of Democrats, as
far as that goes.

I'm not convinced. We'll see.

Things are looking up in America:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

John

 

[krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 18:25:38 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 18:56:24 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 16:00:40 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 17:41:05 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:00:10 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 08:47:55 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On May 23, 3:22 pm, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:00:00 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
If the Asian prices don't come down they'll get competition from the now
cheaper US companies. Looks like a win to me.
No win there. First, there are no US television or sneaker or clothes
manufacturers left. Even if there were or new ones would be sprouting up
they could not possibly compete with the made-in-China pair of $29.99
jogging shoes that consumers have come to expect at places like Costco.
It would be, "Oh, look, we can make the same sneakers for $60 instead of
$75 because of the "fair tax". Big deal.

and will be mighty miffed if he's a retiree.
*That* is the component I'm not happy about. I don't see anyone addressing
it, either.
I did, many times over in this thread, but hardly anyone understands :-(
We did, but I don't see any of the talking heads recognize it, on either side.
Then the whole thing should remain a non-starter. At least I hope so.
Sorry, I spent yesterday talking in person to the actual Fair Tax
guys, along with some U.S. congressmen. I'll chime in later, but for
now I'm swamped and pooped, with a left-handed shovel and a whole lot
of ____.

Oh, oh, major spill somewhere? I hate whan that happens, but been there :-(

Maybe James works for BP Microsystems. ;-)


Maybe be all send him a donation, one bag of Quikrete per poster

Sounds line an offer he cannot refuse.

Short version: no it's not in there, but yes, they're open to amending
their bill so as to exempt savings that have already been taxed.

This is extremely important. First, because they will get a ton of flak
from seniors and their organizations without taking care of this.

As has been shown recently, AARP can easily be bought off.


And people getting very miffed. There's a reason for all the tea
parties.

The press is doing everything it can to write off the tea partiers as kooks.

The Press is turning on Obama. Finally. So are a lot of Democrats, as
far as that goes.

I'm not convinced. We'll see.


Things are looking up in America:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Still 30 points too high.

 

[JosephKK]

On Sun, 23 May 2010 07:05:38 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2010 08:39:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

So let's see, since we can't have an assessor then John Q.Public must
self-file into some computer system. "Hmm, so what do we enter here for
the materials? One box of nails, a pack of drywall screws, the hot dog I
had outside Home Depot. Don't remember the rest ..."
That is all recorded in the tax receipts.

What receipts? Case in point, and I was right behind the guy: Dude had a
huge cart in tow at the cash register. A toilet, two sinks, tile, pipe,
mortar, the works. He could barely pull it. Ka-ching ... "That'll be
eighthundred Dollars and .." He whipped out a huge wallet and paid the
whole chebang in cash. Dollar bills. No check, no credit card, no name
given. Now how exactly is this going to be recorded?


At a bare minimum, in the tax receipts that the store reports (by sale).
They may not know just who paid, but they do know it _got paid_ on those
items.


Do you honestly believe this guy would dutifully file and remit the 23%
"fair tax" from the amount he collects from the homeowner?

Because of all the other record keeping involved with a real property
sale, yes.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 25/05/2010 23:26, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 08:27:32 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

snip

Omnivorous. Provided that you eat on average roughly the right amount.

..of everything.

Of edible foods. It isn't a good idea to eat tables or chairs for
instance. Too much protein, fat or carbohydrate can be bad. The Atkins
guy with the faddish low carb slimming scheme didn't live all that long.

His slimming scheme worked but put a lot of stress on the body.

High fructose corn syrup seems to be a dodgy concoction used in US soft
drinks that is delivering extremely high levels of diabetes for example.

You can blame Congress for that.

I suspect you should blame the corn lobby. Congress critters were only
doing what they were paid to do (with used notes in brown envelopes).

In Silicon valley you can get Coke made with real sucrose from Mexico.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[JosephKK]

On Sun, 23 May 2010 07:06:36 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2010 04:43:23 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:


The nice thing about a sales tax is that you can elect to not buy
stuff and not pay the tax.

Except for food and utilities.

It's easy to exempt baseline goods.

John

But that immediately fills the can with worms again.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 26/05/2010 08:17, JosephKK wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2010 07:06:36 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2010 04:43:23 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:


The nice thing about a sales tax is that you can elect to not buy
stuff and not pay the tax.

Except for food and utilities.

It's easy to exempt baseline goods.

John

But that immediately fills the can with worms again.

Why do you think that?

Sin taxes on tobacco and alcohol are used in many countries.

I thought some US states were contemplating a sin tax on sugary soft
drinks to try and rescue the nations ever expanding waistline.

VAT is zero rated for basic foods deliberately to make the essentials of
life cheaper. It works fine. There are a handful of ambiguous products
with roughly the same ingredients where one is luxury and the other
staple food (preserved sugared ginger for instance).

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Wed, 26 May 2010 08:26:50 +0100, the renowned Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 26/05/2010 08:17, JosephKK wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 07:06:36 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2010 04:43:23 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:


The nice thing about a sales tax is that you can elect to not buy
stuff and not pay the tax.

Except for food and utilities.

It's easy to exempt baseline goods.

John

But that immediately fills the can with worms again.

Why do you think that?

Sin taxes on tobacco and alcohol are used in many countries.

I thought some US states were contemplating a sin tax on sugary soft
drinks to try and rescue the nations ever expanding waistline.

VAT is zero rated for basic foods deliberately to make the essentials of
life cheaper. It works fine. There are a handful of ambiguous products
with roughly the same ingredients where one is luxury and the other
staple food (preserved sugared ginger for instance).

Regards,
Martin Brown

The distinction between "zero-rated" and "exempt" is an important one.



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Spehro Pefhany
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