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jdangus@att.net says...
On 1/15/18 1:08 PM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
I took the insulated handle of a plyers and smacked that
button really hard.
Remind me to NOT let you work on any of my things.
For us older people, we know the first thing one does is to hit the
device that is causing the problem.
In article <IsWdnb7Rn-wojMDHnZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
jdangus@att.net says...
On 1/15/18 1:08 PM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
I took the insulated handle of a plyers and smacked that
button really hard.
Remind me to NOT let you work on any of my things.
For us older people, we know the first thing one does is to hit the
device that is causing the problem.
In article <IsWdnb7Rn-wojMDHnZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
jdangus@att.net says...
On 1/15/18 1:08 PM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
I took the insulated handle of a plyers and smacked that
button really hard.
Remind me to NOT let you work on any of my things.
For us older people, we know the first thing one does is to hit the
device that is causing the problem.
In article <MPG.34c7065b5bd30e679896dc@news.east.earthlink.net>,
rmowery28146@earthlink.net says...
In article <IsWdnb7Rn-wojMDHnZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
jdangus@att.net says...
On 1/15/18 1:08 PM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
I took the insulated handle of a plyers and smacked that
button really hard.
Remind me to NOT let you work on any of my things.
For us older people, we know the first thing one does is to hit the
device that is causing the problem.
When, as an apprentice, I "worked" in the computer test bay (mainframe
in those 1960s days), there was a test that included hitting the frame
with a mallet in specified places...
In article <IsWdnb7Rn-wojMDHnZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
jdangus@att.net says...
On 1/15/18 1:08 PM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
I took the insulated handle of a plyers and smacked that
button really hard.
Remind me to NOT let you work on any of my things.
For us older people, we know the first thing one does is to hit the
device that is causing the problem.
On 2018-01-13 13:29, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
Yea, I know computer mice are cheap, but I need a PS/2 connector and
want a ball mouse. I dont like the infared mice, and can not use a USB
mouse on my Windows 98 computer.
Does it not have USB ports? Disregarding the utter ridiculousness of
still using Windows 98 in 2018, it supports USB just fine (since Windows
95 OSR 2.1, around 1997 - 21 years ago nearly).
"One other thing, I still use DOS, a USB mouse or keyboard wont work on
Dos. "
"One other thing, I still use DOS, a USB mouse or keyboard wont work on
Dos. "
LMGTFY "usb support for DOS"
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=bcVfWpT3HI2AtgXB8Lf4BQ&q=usb+support+for+dos&oq=usb+support+for+dos&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i22i30k1l6.2547.15840.0.17090.20.16.0.3.3.0.200.2483.0j14j1.15.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.18.2537.0..35i39k1j0i131k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i20i264k1j0i10k1.0.nU3IRUVc5rs
I agree about 98SE. Lost alot going to XP but 98SE would no longrer connect and the phone support would not walk me through a manual setup for the router/switch/MODEM. I said "What, did my money expire ?".
But one thing I miss is being able to confine a file search. I have this music library and to search that I had saved a search named "*.*" but within the music directory. You could put in any word from the artist or title and get results in milliseconds. Well XP won't do that and any search goes through something like five hard drives every time. Now Vista, I can't even figure out how to get the thing to search for a file.
Also, I manually did my "SendTo" menu you get on a right click. You create a shortcut and move it in there. Then you can send a file to any of your image editors, or a movie or music to any of your players, without changing the file association or going through its dialog box. I also liked the fact that the old style media player would allow multiple instances so files that I had downloaded could be compared and only the best one kept. Now, I have an old version of VLC or something that does that. Might be Irfanview not sure.
I got into the Sendto in Vista but as an administrator. I couldn't get in at all on Win 7. What do you mean access denied ? Whose PC is this anyway ?
Anyway, the government is not the one who will force your upgrade to the dumpster, it will be software manufacturers.
On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:59:41 -0800, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2018-01-13 13:29, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
Yea, I know computer mice are cheap, but I need a PS/2 connector and
want a ball mouse. I dont like the infared mice, and can not use a USB
mouse on my Windows 98 computer.
Does it not have USB ports? Disregarding the utter ridiculousness of
still using Windows 98 in 2018, it supports USB just fine (since Windows
95 OSR 2.1, around 1997 - 21 years ago nearly).
When the government makes it mandatory to upgrade to the latest version
of Windows, I'll be the first person to throw my computer in the
garbage. I use both Win98 and XP. I wont touch anything newer.
I recently had the misfortune of someone handing me a computer with
Windows 8. They asked me to do someting with it. As soon as I saw that
butt ugly Metro screen, I closed the lid and told them to toss it in the
nearest garbage can.
Just for the record, Win 95 and 98 did not have good USB support. That
was just the one drawback of Win 9.x. Otherwise it was far superior to
anything made by MS since. Win98SE works better for me than any other OS
I have ever used. But XP is tolerable too, just lacks in some ways.
One other thing, I still use DOS, a USB mouse or keyboard wont work on
Dos.
Anyway, the government is not the one who will force your upgrade to the dumpster, it will be software manufacturers.
oldschool@tubes.com wrote on 1/17/2018 4:39 PM:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:59:41 -0800, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2018-01-13 13:29, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
Yea, I know computer mice are cheap, but I need a PS/2 connector and
want a ball mouse. I dont like the infared mice, and can not use a USB
mouse on my Windows 98 computer.
Does it not have USB ports? Disregarding the utter ridiculousness of
still using Windows 98 in 2018, it supports USB just fine (since Windows
95 OSR 2.1, around 1997 - 21 years ago nearly).
When the government makes it mandatory to upgrade to the latest version
of Windows, I'll be the first person to throw my computer in the
garbage. I use both Win98 and XP. I wont touch anything newer.
I recently had the misfortune of someone handing me a computer with
Windows 8. They asked me to do someting with it. As soon as I saw that
butt ugly Metro screen, I closed the lid and told them to toss it in the
nearest garbage can.
Just for the record, Win 95 and 98 did not have good USB support. That
was just the one drawback of Win 9.x. Otherwise it was far superior to
anything made by MS since. Win98SE works better for me than any other OS
I have ever used. But XP is tolerable too, just lacks in some ways.
One other thing, I still use DOS, a USB mouse or keyboard wont work on
Dos.
I believe they made minor tweaks to 98 to create Windows ME and then
discontinued that OS line. The reason was it was designed from the ground
up to be insecure and unstable. It was impossible to provide the sort of
protection from misbehaving applications and malware that the "real" OS line
descended from NT has. I recall my copy of Windows 98 had gotten so full of
poorly written drivers that it would crash about once an hour. I got my
hands on a copy of of Win2k and my life was forever changed. If you are
going to obsess with a version of Windows, THAT is the one.
Windows 98 is a real piece of crap and anyone who is obsessed with running
it has so much to learn. But then we pretty much know that about you
anyway. So no surprises there. BTW, this was typed on a Windows 8 machine
that hasn't been rebooted in well over a month. Hmmm... 1 hour, 1 month....
I wonder which is better?
In article <7993b88f-3489-4e63-a1d5-4b84a4020a0d@googlegroups.com>,
jurb6006@gmail.com says...
Anyway, the government is not the one who will force your upgrade to the dumpster, it will be software manufacturers.
I had to go to a Win 10 computer from XP just so I could run a tax
program. Partly the same way I had to move from Win 98 a number of
years ago to do the taxes.
Each upgrade of Windows causes me to have to keep another machine
running. I have laptops running Dos and WFW 3.11 to run some programs,
another ruunig Win 98, Win XP and Win 10. I did manage to bypass the
win 7 and 8 versions. The had to buy a newer version of Office to run
on a new laptop. Just glad I found someone on ebay that sells the key
(or whatever) for under $ 10 for the 2016 version.
I don't care for what microsoft has to offer, other than the Office set,
I don't run anything or do anything with microsoft once I get the
computer up and running.
On Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:45:13 UTC, rickman wrote:
oldschool@tubes.com wrote on 1/17/2018 4:39 PM:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:59:41 -0800, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2018-01-13 13:29, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
Yea, I know computer mice are cheap, but I need a PS/2 connector and
want a ball mouse. I dont like the infared mice, and can not use a USB
mouse on my Windows 98 computer.
Does it not have USB ports? Disregarding the utter ridiculousness of
still using Windows 98 in 2018, it supports USB just fine (since Windows
95 OSR 2.1, around 1997 - 21 years ago nearly).
When the government makes it mandatory to upgrade to the latest version
of Windows, I'll be the first person to throw my computer in the
garbage. I use both Win98 and XP. I wont touch anything newer.
I recently had the misfortune of someone handing me a computer with
Windows 8. They asked me to do someting with it. As soon as I saw that
butt ugly Metro screen, I closed the lid and told them to toss it in the
nearest garbage can.
Just for the record, Win 95 and 98 did not have good USB support. That
was just the one drawback of Win 9.x. Otherwise it was far superior to
anything made by MS since. Win98SE works better for me than any other OS
I have ever used. But XP is tolerable too, just lacks in some ways.
One other thing, I still use DOS, a USB mouse or keyboard wont work on
Dos.
I believe they made minor tweaks to 98 to create Windows ME and then
discontinued that OS line. The reason was it was designed from the ground
up to be insecure and unstable. It was impossible to provide the sort of
protection from misbehaving applications and malware that the "real" OS line
descended from NT has. I recall my copy of Windows 98 had gotten so full of
poorly written drivers that it would crash about once an hour. I got my
hands on a copy of of Win2k and my life was forever changed. If you are
going to obsess with a version of Windows, THAT is the one.
Windows 98 is a real piece of crap and anyone who is obsessed with running
it has so much to learn. But then we pretty much know that about you
anyway. So no surprises there. BTW, this was typed on a Windows 8 machine
that hasn't been rebooted in well over a month. Hmmm... 1 hour, 1 month...
I wonder which is better?
98 was dreadfully unstable and insecure by today's standards. But back then there wasn't anything better, it was as good as it got. Before anyone objects of course there were NT and stable non-windows OSes, but none of them had the range of apps needed to be very useful as a desktop machine.
Once you learnt 98's many foibles and got it running sufficiently, it's then near zero effort to keep running it. Hence many of us ran it when there were in some ways better OSes available. But I sure do not regret going linux, and watch people's endless win up/down/sideways-grade nightmares with bemusement. Why people are so keen to volunteer for their own misery I don't know.
NT
On Thursday, 18 January 2018 05:43:47 UTC, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:45:13 UTC, rickman wrote:
oldschool@tubes.com wrote on 1/17/2018 4:39 PM:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:59:41 -0800, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2018-01-13 13:29, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
Yea, I know computer mice are cheap, but I need a PS/2 connector and
want a ball mouse. I dont like the infared mice, and can not use a USB
mouse on my Windows 98 computer.
Does it not have USB ports? Disregarding the utter ridiculousness of
still using Windows 98 in 2018, it supports USB just fine (since Windows
95 OSR 2.1, around 1997 - 21 years ago nearly).
When the government makes it mandatory to upgrade to the latest version
of Windows, I'll be the first person to throw my computer in the
garbage. I use both Win98 and XP. I wont touch anything newer.
I recently had the misfortune of someone handing me a computer with
Windows 8. They asked me to do someting with it. As soon as I saw that
butt ugly Metro screen, I closed the lid and told them to toss it in the
nearest garbage can.
Just for the record, Win 95 and 98 did not have good USB support. That
was just the one drawback of Win 9.x. Otherwise it was far superior to
anything made by MS since. Win98SE works better for me than any other OS
I have ever used. But XP is tolerable too, just lacks in some ways.
One other thing, I still use DOS, a USB mouse or keyboard wont work on
Dos.
I believe they made minor tweaks to 98 to create Windows ME and then
discontinued that OS line. The reason was it was designed from the ground
up to be insecure and unstable. It was impossible to provide the sort of
protection from misbehaving applications and malware that the "real" OS line
descended from NT has. I recall my copy of Windows 98 had gotten so full of
poorly written drivers that it would crash about once an hour. I got my
hands on a copy of of Win2k and my life was forever changed. If you are
going to obsess with a version of Windows, THAT is the one.
Windows 98 is a real piece of crap and anyone who is obsessed with running
it has so much to learn. But then we pretty much know that about you
anyway. So no surprises there. BTW, this was typed on a Windows 8 machine
that hasn't been rebooted in well over a month. Hmmm... 1 hour, 1 month...
I wonder which is better?
98 was dreadfully unstable and insecure by today's standards. But back then there wasn't anything better, it was as good as it got. Before anyone objects of course there were NT and stable non-windows OSes, but none of them had the range of apps needed to be very useful as a desktop machine.
Once you learnt 98's many foibles and got it running sufficiently, it's then near zero effort to keep running it. Hence many of us ran it when there were in some ways better OSes available. But I sure do not regret going linux, and watch people's endless win up/down/sideways-grade nightmares with bemusement. Why people are so keen to volunteer for their own misery I don't know.
NT
Somewhere out there there's a set of windows 2 apps made to run on modern windows. They're still usable.
tabbypurr wrote on 1/18/2018 3:42 AM:
On Thursday, 18 January 2018 05:43:47 UTC, tabby wrote:
Somewhere out there there's a set of windows 2 apps made to run on modern windows. They're still usable.
What do you mean "still" usable.
when they were released with windows 2 or perhaps earlier.
Was there a point you wished to make?
On Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:07:17 UTC, rickman wrote:
tabbypurr wrote on 1/18/2018 3:42 AM:
On Thursday, 18 January 2018 05:43:47 UTC, tabby wrote:
Somewhere out there there's a set of windows 2 apps made to run on modern windows. They're still usable.
What do you mean "still" usable.
seriously?
When was it originally usable?
when they were released with windows 2 or perhaps earlier.
Was there a point you wished to make?
Ralph Mowery wrote on 1/17/2018 11:07 PM:
In article <7993b88f-3489-4e63-a1d5-4b84a4020a0d@googlegroups.com>,
jurb6006@gmail.com says...
Anyway, the government is not the one who will force your upgrade to the dumpster, it will be software manufacturers.
I had to go to a Win 10 computer from XP just so I could run a tax
program. Partly the same way I had to move from Win 98 a number of
years ago to do the taxes.
Each upgrade of Windows causes me to have to keep another machine
running. I have laptops running Dos and WFW 3.11 to run some programs,
another ruunig Win 98, Win XP and Win 10. I did manage to bypass the
win 7 and 8 versions. The had to buy a newer version of Office to run
on a new laptop. Just glad I found someone on ebay that sells the key
(or whatever) for under $ 10 for the 2016 version.
Maybe your problem isn't the OS, maybe it's the applications you want to
run. I haven't used MS Office in a decade or more. LibreOffice works great
and just seems to work everywhere I want to use it.
I don't care for what microsoft has to offer, other than the Office set,
I don't run anything or do anything with microsoft once I get the
computer up and running.
I will say I miss Visio. But then I was using that before MS bought them.