Compact Fluorescent Bulbs Shock When Unplugged

Don Klipstein wrote:
In <qeSdncoKTrL1oHjQnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

In <7tudnRgYxqc04H_QnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A. Terrell
wrote mostly:

I have over 100, not counting the 25 W Halogen and some specialty
bulbs for things like the lights at my gate and some in ceiling fans.
Walmart & Dollar Tree have them for a good price, too. With my current
health, I should have enough for the rest of my life.

The incandescents that I saw at Dollar Tree are of the Sunbeam brand.
The 100 watt ones only produce 11 something hundred lumens. 75 watt 750
hour ones made by GE, Philips or Sylvania, even if store brand ones,
produce 1170-1210 lumens, as low as 1150 for soft white.

The 100W are only used in clip on work lites in the shop where they
get banged around a lot. The lower output lamps are a bit more rugged
and don't burn out when you bump the lamp holder as fast as some other
brands. I use mostly 60 or 75 W bulbs in incandescent.

So, you are not disputing my claim of fact that there are available
100W incandescents (such as dollar store ones) that fail to outshine 75W
ones available from Lowes. ???
Click to expand...

Why would I? They have sold lower output, long life incandescent for
decades. Hell, the lowest efficiency incandescent bulbs were used in
traffic lights for generations. You use what you need to do the job.
Would you want a single, high efficiency lamp over a stairwell where it
took a 40 foot ladder to replace, or several less efficient bulbs that
would last years or over a decade? I know of one where someone
installed a 8' fluorescent over 30 feet above the enclosed stairwell.
They couldn't find anyone to replace it when it failed, then the ballast
caught fire when someone left it turned on. Now they will have to cut a
hole through the wall of an apartment to reach the bad fixture to
replace it.


BTW, it pisses me off that you can't find decent 4' 40W tubes
anymore. They used to be 99 cents anywhere you looked. Now all you can
find are those crappy 32W bulbs that don't work in a lot of fixtures.

Home Depot has true 40 watt Philips Ultralume fluorescents. The cool
white color is referred to by its nominal color temperature in Kelvin,
4100. Its color rendering index is 82. Light output is not compromised
in comparison to old tech cool white. They cost a few dollars, though.

Most of the time I don't find what i need at Home Depot. Their
inventory is usually low, or stuck up on a top shelf that requires a
forklift to get down, which results in an hour or two wait. I have
found what I was after exactly once at HD in the last two years.

This is contrary to my usual experiences at Home Depot, though there are
a few lightbulbs that I like Lowes better for.
Click to expand...

Lowes has a store right across the street from HD. They also have
another store on the oither end of town. HD was to build another store
near it, but never did. The Lowes is better stocked, and I can get in
and out a lot faster. They also give Veterans a 10% discount which the
local HD only does on Memorial Day and Veteran's Day.


Buying light bulbs is the least of my reasons to go to either. The
last light bulbs I bought for immediate use was a pair of Philips
Circiline. and it was about six years since the last time I needed
them. I got them at WalMart, since it was closer. The local HD only
had the wrong color temp, and Lowes website said they were out of stock
for the 22W bulb. Every thing else is from what is on hand including a
lot of GE, Philips & Sylvania that people gave me when they started
using all CFL. I use some CFL and LED, but most of the fixtures won't
work with them.


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Baron Inscribed thus:

Ecnerwal Inscribed thus:

In article <is0oqo$had$1@dont-email.me>, Baron
baron@linuxmaniac.net> wrote:

I've just installed four 5" T8 fittings ! One is visibly much
dimmer
than the other three. Its also much heavier !

It didn't dawn on me at first, but the dim fitting has a
conventional ballast choke, capacitor and starter, whilst the other
three have electronic ballasts and a plastic cap over where the
starter should be.

While you seem to have tripped across crappy old .vs. new tech
differences in ballasts, you can also get identical size/shape/weight
electronic ballasts that will put out more or less light from the
same bulb (using more or less watts to do so, which is part of why
they are offered.) There will be a difference in the label, typically
something like H-N-L for high/normal/low light output. Typically
115/100/77% of rated output. It only gets annoying when you find that
it's easy to find (say) a 4-bulb low ballast at a reasonable price,
and the same ballast in high (not to be confused with the HO
ballasts/bulbs that are more like twice the wattage and output and
need different bulbs) is hard to find and twice the price when you do
find it. Been there, done that.

I complained to the distributor today about the dim fitting !
They have, grudgingly, agreed to replace it.
Result (*)
Click to expand...
Following up !
The replacement fitting has been installed and now all four look the
same intensity.

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Baron.
 
"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
news:b7SdnZw6oJqnIHjQnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@web-ster.com...

On 05/28/2011 05:41 AM, Globemaker wrote:
I got a shock from a compact fluorescent light bulb when it was
unplugged. The lamp fell to the floor and broke. I unplugged it before
cleaning up the broken glass. When I tried to unscrew the bulb base
from the socket, a high voltage shocking pain made me jump away.
WARNING! Compact fluorescent lightbulbs are dangerous when not plugged
in . Tell the world, tell the department stores. Not Safe to Use. They
cause radio interference. They buzz in the audio spectrum using air
waves to send sound to peoples' ears. Do not buy them. 2000 volts are
stored in a capacitor.
Click to expand...
I got a burn from an incandescent light bulb when I unscrewed it. When
I tried to unscrew the bulb base from the socket a high temperature
burning pain made me jump away. WARNING! Incandescent lightbulbs are
dangerous when not plugged in. Tell the world, tell the department
stores. Not Safe to Use. They cause radio interference. They buzz in
the audio spectrum using air waves to send sound to peoples' ears. Do
not buy them. 2000 degrees Fahrenheit are stored in a filament.

I ended up in emergency surgery due to an incandescent bulb that exploded in
my home. There was glass everywhere, and that terrorized my family. I got
up on a ladder and could not remove the shell of the lamp. I got
needle-nose pliers and got back on the ladder only to find that the crappy
metal base had corroded and resisted my attempt to remove it. I used more
body torque than my ladder could support, and fell and drove the pliers into
my brain.
 
Charles wrote:

"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
news:b7SdnZw6oJqnIHjQnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@web-ster.com...

On 05/28/2011 05:41 AM, Globemaker wrote:

I got a shock from a compact fluorescent light bulb when it was
unplugged. The lamp fell to the floor and broke. I unplugged it before
cleaning up the broken glass. When I tried to unscrew the bulb base
from the socket, a high voltage shocking pain made me jump away.
WARNING! Compact fluorescent lightbulbs are dangerous when not plugged
in . Tell the world, tell the department stores. Not Safe to Use. They
cause radio interference. They buzz in the audio spectrum using air
waves to send sound to peoples' ears. Do not buy them. 2000 volts are
stored in a capacitor.


I got a burn from an incandescent light bulb when I unscrewed it. When
I tried to unscrew the bulb base from the socket a high temperature
burning pain made me jump away. WARNING! Incandescent lightbulbs are
dangerous when not plugged in. Tell the world, tell the department
stores. Not Safe to Use. They cause radio interference. They buzz in
the audio spectrum using air waves to send sound to peoples' ears. Do
not buy them. 2000 degrees Fahrenheit are stored in a filament.

I ended up in emergency surgery due to an incandescent bulb that
exploded in my home. There was glass everywhere, and that terrorized my
family. I got up on a ladder and could not remove the shell of the
lamp. I got needle-nose pliers and got back on the ladder only to find
that the crappy metal base had corroded and resisted my attempt to
remove it. I used more body torque than my ladder could support, and
fell and drove the pliers into my brain.
Click to expand...
Beware, don't mistaken that white powder for something else!


Jamie
 
Charles wrote:
I ended up in emergency surgery due to an incandescent bulb that exploded in
my home. There was glass everywhere, and that terrorized my family. I got
up on a ladder and could not remove the shell of the lamp. I got
needle-nose pliers and got back on the ladder only to find that the crappy
metal base had corroded and resisted my attempt to remove it. I used more
body torque than my ladder could support, and fell and drove the pliers into
my brain.
Click to expand...

The last sentence explains a lot.


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Don Klipstein wrote:
In <3dSdnbz3uvdDdHjQnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

In <qeSdncoKTrL1oHjQnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

In <7tudnRgYxqc04H_QnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A. Terrell
wrote mostly:

I have over 100, not counting the 25 W Halogen and some specialty
bulbs for things like the lights at my gate and some in ceiling fans.
Walmart & Dollar Tree have them for a good price, too. With my current
health, I should have enough for the rest of my life.

The incandescents that I saw at Dollar Tree are of the Sunbeam brand.
The 100 watt ones only produce 11 something hundred lumens. 75 watt 750
hour ones made by GE, Philips or Sylvania, even if store brand ones,
produce 1170-1210 lumens, as low as 1150 for soft white.

The 100W are only used in clip on work lites in the shop where they
get banged around a lot. The lower output lamps are a bit more rugged
and don't burn out when you bump the lamp holder as fast as some other
brands. I use mostly 60 or 75 W bulbs in incandescent.

So, you are not disputing my claim of fact that there are available
100W incandescents (such as dollar store ones) that fail to outshine 75W
ones available from Lowes. ???

Why would I? They have sold lower output, long life incandescent for
decades. Hell, the lowest efficiency incandescent bulbs were used in
traffic lights for generations. You use what you need to do the job.
Would you want a single, high efficiency lamp over a stairwell where it
took a 40 foot ladder to replace, or several less efficient bulbs that
would last years or over a decade? I know of one where someone
installed a 8' fluorescent over 30 feet above the enclosed stairwell.
They couldn't find anyone to replace it when it failed, then the ballast
caught fire when someone left it turned on. Now they will have to cut a
hole through the wall of an apartment to reach the bad fixture to
replace it.

SNIP from here

The Sunbeam 100-watt ones and most other dollar store ones that don't
outshine 750 hour 75 watt ones have a rated life expectancy of only 1,000
or 1,100 hours. They are outshone by Philips ones with rated life
expectancy of 3500 hours and sold as "industrial service".
Click to expand...

I don't think I have more than a few of the Sunbeam 100 W bulbs.
They were free, and no 100W bulb gives me even 750 hours before they
fail or break. I do have a bunch of the 11 W Sunbeam CFL that I've used
for years and not had one fail, yet. I only have a couple spots where I
use any incandescent lamps. Most are in places that only get used a few
hours a month. The exception is the pair of lamps on my gateposts. I
use a pair of green 40 W incandescent lamps for about three weeks around
Christmas. Then the 1.5 W LED lamps go back in the fixtures.

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It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.
 
In <3dSdnbz3uvdDdHjQnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:

In <qeSdncoKTrL1oHjQnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

In <7tudnRgYxqc04H_QnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A. Terrell
wrote mostly:

I have over 100, not counting the 25 W Halogen and some specialty
bulbs for things like the lights at my gate and some in ceiling fans.
Walmart & Dollar Tree have them for a good price, too. With my current
health, I should have enough for the rest of my life.

The incandescents that I saw at Dollar Tree are of the Sunbeam brand.
The 100 watt ones only produce 11 something hundred lumens. 75 watt 750
hour ones made by GE, Philips or Sylvania, even if store brand ones,
produce 1170-1210 lumens, as low as 1150 for soft white.

The 100W are only used in clip on work lites in the shop where they
get banged around a lot. The lower output lamps are a bit more rugged
and don't burn out when you bump the lamp holder as fast as some other
brands. I use mostly 60 or 75 W bulbs in incandescent.

So, you are not disputing my claim of fact that there are available
100W incandescents (such as dollar store ones) that fail to outshine 75W
ones available from Lowes. ???

Why would I? They have sold lower output, long life incandescent for
decades. Hell, the lowest efficiency incandescent bulbs were used in
traffic lights for generations. You use what you need to do the job.
Would you want a single, high efficiency lamp over a stairwell where it
took a 40 foot ladder to replace, or several less efficient bulbs that
would last years or over a decade? I know of one where someone
installed a 8' fluorescent over 30 feet above the enclosed stairwell.
They couldn't find anyone to replace it when it failed, then the ballast
caught fire when someone left it turned on. Now they will have to cut a
hole through the wall of an apartment to reach the bad fixture to
replace it.
Click to expand...
<SNIP from here>

The Sunbeam 100-watt ones and most other dollar store ones that don't
outshine 750 hour 75 watt ones have a rated life expectancy of only 1,000
or 1,100 hours. They are outshone by Philips ones with rated life
expectancy of 3500 hours and sold as "industrial service".
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
 
On 2011-06-01, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Why would I? They have sold lower output, long life incandescent for
decades. Hell, the lowest efficiency incandescent bulbs were used in
traffic lights for generations. You use what you need to do the job.
Would you want a single, high efficiency lamp over a stairwell where it
took a 40 foot ladder to replace, or several less efficient bulbs that
would last years or over a decade? I know of one where someone
installed a 8' fluorescent over 30 feet above the enclosed stairwell.
They couldn't find anyone to replace it when it failed, then the ballast
caught fire when someone left it turned on. Now they will have to cut a
hole through the wall of an apartment to reach the bad fixture to
replace it.
Click to expand...
no way to get a 28 foot ladder into the stairwell?
how about a shorter ladder and a scaffold ?

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Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2011-06-01, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Why would I? They have sold lower output, long life incandescent for
decades. Hell, the lowest efficiency incandescent bulbs were used in
traffic lights for generations. You use what you need to do the job.
Would you want a single, high efficiency lamp over a stairwell where it
took a 40 foot ladder to replace, or several less efficient bulbs that
would last years or over a decade? I know of one where someone
installed a 8' fluorescent over 30 feet above the enclosed stairwell.
They couldn't find anyone to replace it when it failed, then the ballast
caught fire when someone left it turned on. Now they will have to cut a
hole through the wall of an apartment to reach the bad fixture to
replace it.

no way to get a 28 foot ladder into the stairwell?
how about a shorter ladder and a scaffold ?
Click to expand...

There is only four feet between the door at the bottom of the stairs
and a long wall, and the stairwell is only 38" wide so I don't see how
you can get scaffolding or a ladder in and set up safely.



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On 2011-06-03, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2011-06-01, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Why would I? They have sold lower output, long life incandescent for
decades. Hell, the lowest efficiency incandescent bulbs were used in
traffic lights for generations. You use what you need to do the job.
Would you want a single, high efficiency lamp over a stairwell where it
took a 40 foot ladder to replace, or several less efficient bulbs that
would last years or over a decade? I know of one where someone
installed a 8' fluorescent over 30 feet above the enclosed stairwell.
They couldn't find anyone to replace it when it failed, then the ballast
caught fire when someone left it turned on. Now they will have to cut a
hole through the wall of an apartment to reach the bad fixture to
replace it.

no way to get a 28 foot ladder into the stairwell?
how about a shorter ladder and a scaffold ?

There is only four feet between the door at the bottom of the stairs
and a long wall, and the stairwell is only 38" wide so I don't see how
you can get scaffolding or a ladder in and set up safely.
Click to expand...
I don't see the problem. I'm not a scaffold rigger, but I've watvhed
them construct it out of tubing, clamps, and planks, I'd be surprised
if it took more than two man-hours to set-up a suitable ladder with a
supporting frame.


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Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2011-06-03, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2011-06-01, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Why would I? They have sold lower output, long life incandescent for
decades. Hell, the lowest efficiency incandescent bulbs were used in
traffic lights for generations. You use what you need to do the job.
Would you want a single, high efficiency lamp over a stairwell where it
took a 40 foot ladder to replace, or several less efficient bulbs that
would last years or over a decade? I know of one where someone
installed a 8' fluorescent over 30 feet above the enclosed stairwell.
They couldn't find anyone to replace it when it failed, then the ballast
caught fire when someone left it turned on. Now they will have to cut a
hole through the wall of an apartment to reach the bad fixture to
replace it.

no way to get a 28 foot ladder into the stairwell?
how about a shorter ladder and a scaffold ?

There is only four feet between the door at the bottom of the stairs
and a long wall, and the stairwell is only 38" wide so I don't see how
you can get scaffolding or a ladder in and set up safely.

I don't see the problem.
Click to expand...

Of course you don't, but you'll cliam to have the solution, as usual
and not having seen the situation.

I'm not a scaffold rigger, but I've watvhed
them construct it out of tubing, clamps, and planks, I'd be surprised
if it took more than two man-hours to set-up a suitable ladder with a
supporting frame.
Click to expand...

Then I'll tell thm you're the man to call, since you're the expert.
Like I said, there is no way to get a long ladder into that stairwell.
Anything over eight feet won't make the turn.


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On May 28, 7:41 am, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:
I got a shock from a compact fluorescent light bulb when it was
unplugged. The lamp fell to the floor and broke. I unplugged it before
cleaning up the broken glass. When I tried to unscrew the bulb base
from the socket, a high voltage shocking pain made me jump away.
WARNING! Compact fluorescent lightbulbs are dangerous when not plugged
in . Tell the world, tell the department stores. Not Safe to Use. They
cause radio interference. They buzz in the audio spectrum using air
waves to send sound to peoples' ears. Do not buy them. 2000 volts are
stored in a capacitor.
Click to expand...
that sounds nightmare
 
On Jun 8, 1:45 pm, halong <cco...@netscape.net> wrote:
On May 28, 7:41 am, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:

I got a shock from a compact fluorescent light bulb when it was
unplugged. The lamp fell to the floor and broke. I unplugged it before
cleaning up the broken glass. When I tried to unscrew the bulb base
from the socket, a high voltage shocking pain made me jump away.
WARNING! Compact fluorescent lightbulbs are dangerous when not plugged
in . Tell the world, tell the department stores. Not Safe to Use. They
cause radio interference. They buzz in the audio spectrum using air
waves to send sound to peoples' ears. Do not buy them. 2000 volts are
stored in a capacitor.

that sounds nightmare
Click to expand...
Yes, it was nightmarish to imagine a 2000 volt shock when the 175
volts went into my hand.
 
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:36:56 -0700 (PDT), Globemaker
<alanfolmsbee@cabanova.com> wrote:

On Jun 8, 1:45 pm, halong <cco...@netscape.net> wrote:
On May 28, 7:41 am, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:

I got a shock from a compact fluorescent light bulb when it was
unplugged. The lamp fell to the floor and broke. I unplugged it before
cleaning up the broken glass. When I tried to unscrew the bulb base
from the socket, a high voltage shocking pain made me jump away.
WARNING! Compact fluorescent lightbulbs are dangerous when not plugged
in . Tell the world, tell the department stores. Not Safe to Use. They
cause radio interference. They buzz in the audio spectrum using air
waves to send sound to peoples' ears. Do not buy them. 2000 volts are
stored in a capacitor.

that sounds nightmare

Yes, it was nightmarish to imagine a 2000 volt shock when the 175
volts went into my hand.
Click to expand...
Is it still in there?
 
On Jun 9, 5:55 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz>
wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:36:56 -0700 (PDT), Globemaker









alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:
On Jun 8, 1:45 pm, halong <cco...@netscape.net> wrote:
On May 28, 7:41 am, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:

I got a shock from a compact fluorescent light bulb when it was
unplugged. The lamp fell to the floor and broke. I unplugged it before
cleaning up the broken glass. When I tried to unscrew the bulb base
from the socket, a high voltage shocking pain made me jump away.
WARNING! Compact fluorescent lightbulbs are dangerous when not plugged
in . Tell the world, tell the department stores. Not Safe to Use. They
cause radio interference. They buzz in the audio spectrum using air
waves to send sound to peoples' ears. Do not buy them. 2000 volts are
stored in a capacitor.

that sounds nightmare

Yes, it was nightmarish to imagine a 2000 volt shock when the 175
volts went into my hand.

Is it still in there?
Click to expand...
" Is it still in there?"

Yes, the 174 volts entered my hand with a painful number of electrons
and holes. They did not recombine immediately, but were captured by
molecules and incorporated into new cells. I am trying to keep track
of each electron from that long ago shock, but they become
increasingly indistinguishable from other leptons, like muons. In
fact, I suspect that muonic molecules are infiltrating my DNA,
creating very small jeans.
 
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 05:42:58 -0700 (PDT), Globemaker
<alanfolmsbee@cabanova.com> wrote:

On Jun 9, 5:55 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:36:56 -0700 (PDT), Globemaker









alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:
On Jun 8, 1:45 pm, halong <cco...@netscape.net> wrote:
On May 28, 7:41 am, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:

I got a shock from a compact fluorescent light bulb when it was
unplugged. The lamp fell to the floor and broke. I unplugged it before
cleaning up the broken glass. When I tried to unscrew the bulb base
from the socket, a high voltage shocking pain made me jump away.
WARNING! Compact fluorescent lightbulbs are dangerous when not plugged
in . Tell the world, tell the department stores. Not Safe to Use. They
cause radio interference. They buzz in the audio spectrum using air
waves to send sound to peoples' ears. Do not buy them. 2000 volts are
stored in a capacitor.

that sounds nightmare

Yes, it was nightmarish to imagine a 2000 volt shock when the 175
volts went into my hand.

Is it still in there?

" Is it still in there?"

Yes, the 174 volts entered my hand with a painful number of electrons
and holes. They did not recombine immediately, but were captured by
molecules and incorporated into new cells. I am trying to keep track
of each electron from that long ago shock, but they become
increasingly indistinguishable from other leptons, like muons.
Click to expand...
....and morons.

In
fact, I suspect that muonic molecules are infiltrating my DNA,
creating very small jeans.
Click to expand...
Weineritis?
 
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