Comcast Dropping Usenet

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4fe2ccbd57dave@davenoise.co.uk...
In article <sLadnVxX-8xcGkrVnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@comcast.com>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
The internet is of no real importance. Roads are. (As to whether the
Interstate Highway System was a good idea, or constitutional, that's
a discussion for a different place and time.)

I'm sure lots of people -- including business people -- would strongly
disagree.

Absolutely. A decent data link can reduce the amount of post etc
previously sent by road - and faster and at lower cost.

Whatever the pros and cons of private versus public finance one thing can
be sure, you don't want to let just one private company carry it out -
otherwise they are likely to try and benefit unreasonably from a monopoly
situation.
Click to expand...
Which is precisely the reason why having the government build the
infrastructure with public dollars makes so much sense. It encourages
competition and potentially keeps costs down to the consumer..
 
In article <HbOdnc9R9J2510XVnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4fe2ccbd57dave@davenoise.co.uk...
In article <sLadnVxX-8xcGkrVnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@comcast.com>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
The internet is of no real importance. Roads are. (As to whether the
Interstate Highway System was a good idea, or constitutional, that's
a discussion for a different place and time.)

I'm sure lots of people -- including business people -- would strongly
disagree.

Absolutely. A decent data link can reduce the amount of post etc
previously sent by road - and faster and at lower cost.

Whatever the pros and cons of private versus public finance one thing can
be sure, you don't want to let just one private company carry it out -
otherwise they are likely to try and benefit unreasonably from a monopoly
situation.

Which is precisely the reason why having the government build the
infrastructure with public dollars makes so much sense. It encourages
competition and potentially keeps costs down to the consumer..
Click to expand...
Ummm... Have you forgotten that you're talking about the government
here?

"Government" and "keeping costs down" are mutually exclusive concepts.

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or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info
 
Which is precisely the reason why having the government build the
infrastructure with public dollars makes so much sense. It encourages
competition and potentially keeps costs down to the consumer..

Ummm... Have you forgotten that you're talking about the government
here?

"Government" and "keeping costs down" are mutually exclusive concepts.
Click to expand...
Think about what I'm suggesting before objecting.
 
In article <ZKqdnXFRn4bjVEXVnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

Which is precisely the reason why having the government build the
infrastructure with public dollars makes so much sense. It encourages
competition and potentially keeps costs down to the consumer..

Ummm... Have you forgotten that you're talking about the government
here?

"Government" and "keeping costs down" are mutually exclusive concepts.

Think about what I'm suggesting before objecting.
Click to expand...
Oh... Got it. Didn't notice the sarcasm the first time around.





Q: What's an elephant?
A: A mouse, built [to government specifications/by the government].

--
Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist,
or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info
 
"Don Bruder" <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:McydneKQ5IvamUTVnZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <ZKqdnXFRn4bjVEXVnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

Which is precisely the reason why having the government build the
infrastructure with public dollars makes so much sense. It encourages
competition and potentially keeps costs down to the consumer..

Ummm... Have you forgotten that you're talking about the government
here?

"Government" and "keeping costs down" are mutually exclusive concepts.

Think about what I'm suggesting before objecting.

Oh... Got it. Didn't notice the sarcasm the first time around.
Click to expand...
There wasn't any. There are some things government should do, including
putting infrastructures in place that market-based businesses can make use
of. It benefits everyone.
 
In article <co-dnc-hkNLJE0TVnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

"Don Bruder" <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:McydneKQ5IvamUTVnZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <ZKqdnXFRn4bjVEXVnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

Which is precisely the reason why having the government build the
infrastructure with public dollars makes so much sense. It encourages
competition and potentially keeps costs down to the consumer..

Ummm... Have you forgotten that you're talking about the government
here?

"Government" and "keeping costs down" are mutually exclusive concepts.

Think about what I'm suggesting before objecting.

Oh... Got it. Didn't notice the sarcasm the first time around.

There wasn't any. There are some things government should do, including
putting infrastructures in place that market-based businesses can make use
of. It benefits everyone.
Click to expand...
Government exists to serve me, the individual citizen, not businesses.
Period.

The government as it stands today is failing miserably on all counts
when it comes to serving the citizen. On the other hand, it's doing a
damn fine job of screwing them over in favor of businesses.

--
Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist,
or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info
 
In article <gbc63f$5d1$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
There wasn't any. There are some things government should do,
including putting infrastructures in place that market-based
businesses can make use of. It benefits everyone.

Government exists to serve me, the individual citizen, not businesses.
Period.
Click to expand...
That's the whole point; give a business the monopoly of providing that
infrastructure and the main aim of that business is to make money - not
serve the citizen. Competition is what keeps business in check (hopefully)
and with this sort of project there can be none.

The government as it stands today is failing miserably on all counts
when it comes to serving the citizen. On the other hand, it's doing a
damn fine job of screwing them over in favor of businesses.
Click to expand...
Seems to be governments world wide...

--
*What boots up must come down *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
"Don Bruder" <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:gbc63f$5d1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
In article <co-dnc-hkNLJE0TVnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

"Don Bruder" <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:McydneKQ5IvamUTVnZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <ZKqdnXFRn4bjVEXVnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

Which is precisely the reason why having the government build the
infrastructure with public dollars makes so much sense. It
encourages
competition and potentially keeps costs down to the consumer..

Ummm... Have you forgotten that you're talking about the
government
here?

"Government" and "keeping costs down" are mutually exclusive
concepts.
Click to expand...

Think about what I'm suggesting before objecting.

Oh... Got it. Didn't notice the sarcasm the first time around.

There wasn't any. There are some things government should do, including
putting infrastructures in place that market-based businesses can make
use
of. It benefits everyone.

Government exists to serve me, the individual citizen, not businesses.
Period.

The government as it stands today is failing miserably on all counts
when it comes to serving the citizen. On the other hand, it's doing a
damn fine job of screwing them over in favor of businesses.
Click to expand...
True, but that's not what I'm talking about. Imagine what transportation in
the US would be like if the interstate highways had been built by private
interests. Both businesses and individuals would be paying outrageous tolls
to drive from state to state.

Similarly, a government-installed fiber-optic system -- for every house,
every business -- would permit _multiple_ companies to provide high-speed
communication, instead of the near-monopoly that currently exists. That
means competition, and (hopefully) better service at a lower price.
 
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4fe3bb2191dave@davenoise.co.uk...
In article <gbc63f$5d1$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
There wasn't any. There are some things government should do,
including putting infrastructures in place that market-based
businesses can make use of. It benefits everyone.

Government exists to serve me, the individual citizen, not businesses.
Period.

That's the whole point; give a business the monopoly of providing that
infrastructure and the main aim of that business is to make money - not
serve the citizen. Competition is what keeps business in check (hopefully)
and with this sort of project there can be none.
Click to expand...
Seems we've had this discussion before. Thanks for understanding and
agreeing.
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:44:11 -0700, "nospam" <a@b.c> wrote:

http://www.comcast.net/newsgroups/

I'm gonna miss these two groups more than most.

Thanks for all the help over the last 15+ years.
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Alternatives
http://groups.google.se/group/sci.electronics.repair/topics
http://groups.google.se/group/sci.electronics.misc/topics
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:44:11 -0700, "nospam" <a@b.c> wrote:

http://www.comcast.net/newsgroups/

I'm gonna miss these two groups more than most.

Thanks for all the help over the last 15+ years.
Click to expand...
Read my sig.

Conversion was easy -- just the server name, userid, and password (the
last two they choose for you, and they're wierd -- although the
proper command depended I think on whether the internal article
number, within a newsgroup, was greater or less with APN than it had
been with Erols.

With less, I didn't have to do anything but get more headers, etc.
With more, I had to "Sample the latest 1000 headers", for example.

Forte Agent has this last command, but I don't know if other
newsreaders have an equivalent. At worst, you'll have to unsubscribe
from the newsgroup, discard the contents you've gotten so far, and
start from scratch, for those newsgroups where it doesn't just work
normally.
A tribute to Erols/RCN/Starpower which took away newsgroups,
without giving any notice, in advance or when they did it!!

And a real tribute to https://www.forteinc.com/apn/subscribe.php
which starts at 3 dollars for 12 gigs a month,
including alt, misc, and everything else, 12 gigs is
far more than someone who dl's mostly text should ever need.
 
nospam wrote:

http://www.comcast.net/newsgroups/

I'm gonna miss these two groups more than most.

Thanks for all the help over the last 15+ years.
Click to expand...
Go to astraweb. $10 non-expiring 25GB of downloads.

Graham
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:45:00 -0700, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
wrote:

In article <48D5AF57.AC697FC@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

nospam wrote:

http://www.comcast.net/newsgroups/

I suggest YOU drop comcast.

Graham

I, for one, would love to.
snip
All factors which conspire to leave me, and
likely quite a few others like me, pretty well hosed.

Ain't communications monopolies great?
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Ditto
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:03:48 -0700, UCLAN <nomail@thanks.org> wrote:

mm wrote:

Read my sig.

... if you had one.

The post you replied to had one.

No, it didn't.
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Why do you say that?

When that post came back to me, it had a sig, almost the identical sig
that my next post had and that this post will have.

Now I can understand that a reader can't tell just from looking what I
wrote specifically for a given post, and what came from the sig. file.

But I can't understand how the two of you don't know that you can't
tell just from looking, and why you think there was no sig. when I've
told you there was one**. And why it's so important to each of you,
and why you're so sure you're right, that you go to the trouble to
post.

**When I said "See my sig" in my first post, and again when I assured
Allodox in my second post that there was a sig.

That really interests me, and I would be most interested in any
explanation. And grateful for a serious explanation.

(You're not just pulling my chain because I don't always use a period
after "sig", are you? That would be quite a waste of time and
bandwidth, so I don't think it's that.)
--
A tribute to Erols/RCN/Starpower which took away newsgroups,
without giving any notice, in advance or when they did it!!

And a real tribute to https://www.forteinc.com/apn/subscribe.php
which starts at 3 dollars for 12 gigs a month,
including alt, misc, the big 8 and everything else, 12 gigs is
far more than someone who dl's mostly text should ever need.
 
William Sommerwerck wrote:
I suggest YOU drop Comcast.

Other than the fact that Comcast charges too much, I have no complaints --
their customer service is excellent.

But if I dropped Comcast (as Scarlett said) -- Where would I go? What would
I do? Satellite doesn't provide Internet service. * And I can't go back to
dial-up.

Some of the money spent on the Iraq war might have been spent to install a
universal fiber-optic infrastructure. The actual service would be provided
by competing companies, not the government.

* As far as I know. Years ago there was a hybrid satellite system, with a
land connection providing the uploads.
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Direct PC


--
http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

aioe.org, Goggle Groups, and Web TV users must request to be white
listed, or I will not see your messages.

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm


There are two kinds of people on this earth:
The crazy, and the insane.
The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.
 
On Sep 20, 4:44 pm, "nospam" <a...@b.c> wrote:
http://www.comcast.net/newsgroups/

I'm gonna miss these two groups more than most.

Thanks for all the help over the last 15+ years.
Click to expand...
Free http://news.motzarella.org/
 
Don Bruder wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:

http://www.comcast.net/newsgroups/

I suggest YOU drop comcast.

I, for one, would love to.

The problem:
What would you suggest I use for connectivity?
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No alternative at all ? Cable or ADSL, whichever Comcast isn't. If none then
presumably the internet you already have ?

You install a 'news reader' program - the simpler the better IMHO, I use Netscape
4.8, configure it and hey presto you have news.

Graham
 
William Sommerwerck wrote:

I suggest YOU drop Comcast.

Other than the fact that Comcast charges too much, I have no complaints --
their customer service is excellent.

But if I dropped Comcast (as Scarlett said) -- Where would I go? What would
I do? Satellite doesn't provide Internet service. * And I can't go back to
dial-up.
Click to expand...
Don't you have different carriers and systems like cable vs DSL in the USA ?
Obviously 'outback' may be difficult.

Graham
 
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