Cleaning Plated Electrical Contacts?

[Jim Yanik]

zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote in
news:h98aii$54e$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu:

In article <HmNtm.3127$tl3.2818@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, "JB"
nospam@goofball.net> wrote:
Silicone based products are really not a good thing, at least thats
what some say. However sometimes a silicone grease is used to
protect connections. Silicone sprays were common 30 years ago.
I don't recall any of the more common recommended sprays having
silicone. I see mixed recommendations of lubing relays.
Some say no, but I do.

greg

Silicone based cleaners leave a residue that protects against friction
but tends to insulate. You have to break through the film in order to
even have contact. I have found them useful for connectors that see
lots of use, such as Notebooks, but I usually have to wash them with
Isopropyl to remove most of what I put on.

There is no point in lubing relays. Any residue will increase the
likelihood of burning of the contacts. They should be cleaned and
burnished with a non-residue cleaner and as minimally abrasive tool as
possible. Bond paper strips will often suffice.

Isopropyl Alcohol at 90% or better is clean, leaves no residue, won't
harm most plastics and is the only recommended cleaner for many
switches and contacts. Do not use less than 90% as there will be risk
of moisture damage.

I kind of like using 70% rubbing alcohol sometimes, with
its small amount of mineral oil. Any % alcohol can cause
moisture problems, even 100%. The trick is to warm dry it.

Rubbing alcohol shouldn't have any mineral oil in it.
I prefer 90% isopropyl.It also absorbs any water or moisture.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Yanik wrote:

zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote in
news:h98aii$54e$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu:

In article <HmNtm.3127$tl3.2818@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, "JB"
nospam@goofball.net> wrote:
Silicone based products are really not a good thing, at least thats
what some say. However sometimes a silicone grease is used to
protect connections. Silicone sprays were common 30 years ago.
I don't recall any of the more common recommended sprays having
silicone. I see mixed recommendations of lubing relays.
Some say no, but I do.

greg

Silicone based cleaners leave a residue that protects against friction
but tends to insulate. You have to break through the film in order to
even have contact. I have found them useful for connectors that see
lots of use, such as Notebooks, but I usually have to wash them with
Isopropyl to remove most of what I put on.

There is no point in lubing relays. Any residue will increase the
likelihood of burning of the contacts. They should be cleaned and
burnished with a non-residue cleaner and as minimally abrasive tool as
possible. Bond paper strips will often suffice.

Isopropyl Alcohol at 90% or better is clean, leaves no residue, won't
harm most plastics and is the only recommended cleaner for many
switches and contacts. Do not use less than 90% as there will be risk
of moisture damage.

I kind of like using 70% rubbing alcohol sometimes, with
its small amount of mineral oil. Any % alcohol can cause
moisture problems, even 100%. The trick is to warm dry it.

Rubbing alcohol shouldn't have any mineral oil in it.
I prefer 90% isopropyl.It also absorbs any water or moisture.

Some has 'Oil of Wintergreen' but that is usually colored green. It
is an old type of pain killer. They still make it, but they don't use
real 'Oil of Wintergreen'. between the dye and other additives, I
wouldn't use it on electronics. I do use it for some types of pain in
my hands, from the Diabetic Neuropathy.



--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[GregS]

In article <Xns9C8D962E4C4CDjyanikkuanet@74.209.136.85>, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote in
news:h987mf$4bh$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu:

In article <VqKdnWBSC88LBirXnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, "Michael
A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

GregS wrote:

In article
f46025b5-ecf1-4d8c-b925-6dcb0bd5ca86@q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Dubtron <swohlfarth@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 18, 10:28=A0am, GeneO <geno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Have been Googling the proper way to clean plated electrical
contacts but either get nothing if use " or a lot of nonrelevant
hits without.

Am interested in any suggestions esp how to remove the
nonconductive oxides.

If a connector is too damaged would also be interested in what
are considered the best type replacement.

Thanks

Gene

I have had very good luck repairing low current relay contacts and
mechanical rotary switches using "tarn-x" silver cleaner containing
acidified thiourea. MSDS:
http://www.jelmar.com/msds/TX_MSDS_eng.pdf. If you take the relay
or switch apart to get to the contacts, use a cotton swab with a
small amount of cleaner and apply to the oxidized (tarnished)
surfaces. They shine right up and the surface does not appear to be
damaged by it. Then dry and apply a very light film of silicone
based contact cleaner to keep the air away and help with
lubrication. Works great for speaker relays in amplifiers and mode
switches for VCR's.


Silicone based products are really not a good thing, at least thats
what some say. However sometimes a silicone grease is used to
protect connections. Silicone sprays were common 30 years ago.
I don't recall any of the more common recommended sprays having
silicone. I see mixed recommendations of lubing relays.
Some say no, but I do.


Silicone based chemicals were banned from all telephone switching
centers with mechanical switching.

The old General Cement "Tuner Lube" is petroleum based and doesn't
build up an insulating film like Silicone based products.

contact wiping pressure should handle that "insulating" film.
Only TEK "HF switch contacts" didn't have enough wiping pressure to deal
with films left from tuner cleaner/lube sprays.

I got some of that stuff. For rubber and some plastics
petroleum based products can hurt. I have been using plastic safe
liquid CRC 2-26 but I really don't know whats in it. For those outside
the US, if you use Cramolin Contaclean, it must be removed after
cleaning because it will gum. Here is an old
can. Check out the buildup at the top.

http://zekfrivolous.com/misc/cramolin%20contaclean.JPG

greg


I used to use Tarn-X on TEK 500 series tube scope rotary switches,to clean
off the black oxidation.
It worked great,had to wash and oven-dry the scopes anyways.
You must RINSE the contacts after using Tarn-X on them.

Been there. I love big silver plated ceramic switches.

A friend used to say, he liked using both Cramolin Red
and Tweek on contacts, together.

The current Caig R100 full strength is also great.

greg

 

[GregS]

In article <Xns9C8D969EE6524jyanikkuanet@74.209.136.85>, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote in
news:h98aii$54e$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu:

In article <HmNtm.3127$tl3.2818@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, "JB"
nospam@goofball.net> wrote:
Silicone based products are really not a good thing, at least thats
what some say. However sometimes a silicone grease is used to
protect connections. Silicone sprays were common 30 years ago.
I don't recall any of the more common recommended sprays having
silicone. I see mixed recommendations of lubing relays.
Some say no, but I do.

greg

Silicone based cleaners leave a residue that protects against friction
but tends to insulate. You have to break through the film in order to
even have contact. I have found them useful for connectors that see
lots of use, such as Notebooks, but I usually have to wash them with
Isopropyl to remove most of what I put on.

There is no point in lubing relays. Any residue will increase the
likelihood of burning of the contacts. They should be cleaned and
burnished with a non-residue cleaner and as minimally abrasive tool as
possible. Bond paper strips will often suffice.

Isopropyl Alcohol at 90% or better is clean, leaves no residue, won't
harm most plastics and is the only recommended cleaner for many
switches and contacts. Do not use less than 90% as there will be risk
of moisture damage.

I kind of like using 70% rubbing alcohol sometimes, with
its small amount of mineral oil. Any % alcohol can cause
moisture problems, even 100%. The trick is to warm dry it.

Rubbing alcohol shouldn't have any mineral oil in it.
I prefer 90% isopropyl.It also absorbs any water or moisture.

The reason there is oil in some, its supposed to give oil
back to the skin after a rub down. After using alcohol on the skin its usually
very patchy looking removing the oils.

I didn't exactly point out, even using 100% alcohol on
things, and you will get water build up, after the alcohol
starts absorbing it, and dries, leaving water. Plus, 100%
is contaminated with drying agents.

greg

 

[GregS]

In article <7vmdnRX3pa4nSCrXnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Yanik wrote:

zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote in
news:h98aii$54e$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu:

In article <HmNtm.3127$tl3.2818@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, "JB"
nospam@goofball.net> wrote:
Silicone based products are really not a good thing, at least thats
what some say. However sometimes a silicone grease is used to
protect connections. Silicone sprays were common 30 years ago.
I don't recall any of the more common recommended sprays having
silicone. I see mixed recommendations of lubing relays.
Some say no, but I do.

greg

Silicone based cleaners leave a residue that protects against friction
but tends to insulate. You have to break through the film in order to
even have contact. I have found them useful for connectors that see
lots of use, such as Notebooks, but I usually have to wash them with
Isopropyl to remove most of what I put on.

There is no point in lubing relays. Any residue will increase the
likelihood of burning of the contacts. They should be cleaned and
burnished with a non-residue cleaner and as minimally abrasive tool as
possible. Bond paper strips will often suffice.

Isopropyl Alcohol at 90% or better is clean, leaves no residue, won't
harm most plastics and is the only recommended cleaner for many
switches and contacts. Do not use less than 90% as there will be risk
of moisture damage.

I kind of like using 70% rubbing alcohol sometimes, with
its small amount of mineral oil. Any % alcohol can cause
moisture problems, even 100%. The trick is to warm dry it.

Rubbing alcohol shouldn't have any mineral oil in it.
I prefer 90% isopropyl.It also absorbs any water or moisture.


Some has 'Oil of Wintergreen' but that is usually colored green. It
is an old type of pain killer. They still make it, but they don't use
real 'Oil of Wintergreen'. between the dye and other additives, I
wouldn't use it on electronics. I do use it for some types of pain in
my hands, from the Diabetic Neuropathy.

You will get dry patches of blue.

I got an experiance I never felt. I eat hot peppers all the time,
and have heard of capsation rub for pain. Capsation particles
are extremely small and float in the air.
Well, I was cleaning some Habenero and jalapeńo
peppers in haste scraping the seeds out and taking most
of the core. Besides having to wash hands many times and
being carefull, after about 20 minuites I started to feel the action
penetrating the skin on my hands. They were tingly,
much the same as a burn would do but mild. It
wasn't a real bad feeling, but I could see how it might numb
pain in the joints.

Also try vitamin D. If your out in the sun, forget it. Just take minerals.
1000-2000 units D-3.


greg

 

[Arfa Daily]

"GregS" <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote in message
news:h984if$3mp$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu...

In article
f46025b5-ecf1-4d8c-b925-6dcb0bd5ca86@q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Dubtron <swohlfarth@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 18, 10:28=A0am, GeneO <geno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Have been Googling the proper way to clean plated electrical contacts
but either get nothing if use " or a lot of nonrelevant hits without.

Am interested in any suggestions esp how to remove the nonconductive
oxides.

If a connector is too damaged would also be interested in what are
considered the best type replacement.

Thanks

Gene

I have had very good luck repairing low current relay contacts and
mechanical rotary switches using "tarn-x" silver cleaner containing
acidified thiourea. MSDS: http://www.jelmar.com/msds/TX_MSDS_eng.pdf.
If you take the relay or switch apart to get to the contacts, use a
cotton swab with a small amount of cleaner and apply to the oxidized
(tarnished) surfaces. They shine right up and the surface does not
appear to be damaged by it. Then dry and apply a very light film of
silicone based contact cleaner to keep the air away and help with
lubrication. Works great for speaker relays in amplifiers and mode
switches for VCR's.



Silicone based products are really not a good thing, at least thats what
some say. However sometimes a silicone grease is used to
protect connections. Silicone sprays were common 30 years ago.
I don't recall any of the more common recommended sprays having
silicone. I see mixed recommendations of lubing relays.
Some say no, but I do.

greg

Years ago, we used to treat the long multipole open slide switches that were
fitted to dual standard TV sets, to a liberal does of white heatsink paste.
This did a grand job of stopping the sections that did the timebase
switching, from arcing, and the sections that did the low-level signal
switching, from tarnishing and becoming intermittent. Happy days. Gentler
times ...

Arfa

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:41:18 +0100, "Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

:
:"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
:news:3cmdb51o9cfgaantdo289j3dlqsbpvquj4@4ax.com...
:> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT), GeneO <genosmm@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>
:> :Have been Googling the proper way to clean plated electrical contacts
:> :but either get nothing if use " or a lot of nonrelevant hits without.
:> :
:> :Am interested in any suggestions esp how to remove the nonconductive
:> xides.
:> :
:> :If a connector is too damaged would also be interested in what are
:> :considered the best type replacement.
:> :
:> :Thanks
:> :
:> :Gene
:>
:>
:> I don't think I have ever come across a "plated" electrical contact. In my
:> experience electrical contacts are always a solid material such as brass
:> (cheap
:> and nasty - often used in electrical appliances) or a more exotic alloy
:> material
:> such as nickel-silver. The contact material used is dependant on the
:> application
:> (AC or DC and whether inductive) and the magnitude of the current being
:> handled.
:
:
:I'm sure that you must have, Ross ?? I'd agree with you on 'solid brass
:contacts' in clunky mains power switches etc, but elsewhere, many contacts
:seem to be plated rather than solid. For instance, I just put the word
:"plated" into the search pane on one component supplier's website, and it
:came back with 59 items, most of which were connectors with a variety of
lating materials quoted for their contacts, including gold, silver & tin.
:Similarly, a quick look in a catalogue at switches, reveals many to have
:either gold or silver plated contacts. Also, many relays have contacts
:described variously as gold "plated", "covered", "overlayed" etc. It is
:these contacts that I find you have to be careful not to use any kind of
:abrasion on, for fear of going through the very thin layer of plating. I
:generally find that pulling a piece of dry cardboard through things like
:relay contacts, is enough to clean them. A tiny spot of cleaner/lubricant
:introduced to the contact gap, finishes the job off.
:
:Arfa
:

My experience has been mainly related to relays of both open and enclosed types,
from miniature pcb mounted types for signal transmission to heavy duty high
current capacity types. I will agree that particularly for the low level signal
types the manufacturers often "enhance" the contact material by adding a gold
"overlay". However, the actual relay contact will be made of some alloy material
such as silver-palladium or other mixture. The contact is usually rivetted or
welded to the spring leaf, which is probably a plated phosphor bronze material,
while the gold overlay on the contact pips is simply to reduce contact
resistance due to oxidation through lack of a wetting current. A typical relay
of this type, which I have on hand, is the Fujitsu FBR46. With such relays, as
you have mentioned, you never use abrasive methods of cleaning or burnishing but
with gold as an overlay this should not be necessary. The problem with any
"plated" contact is that once the plating material has been lost either through
repeated operation or arcing etc, the base contact material is all that is left.
In cases where no plating is used unless the contact material is one of the
recognised traditional materials such as nickel-silver, silver-palladium etc,
the electrical performance of the contact will be unreliable. Such a relay used
for heavy current carrying capacity which I also have on hand is a Fuji HH62
witha contact rating at 10A. In this case the contact material is simply a
"silver alloy" - probably made to Fuji specification. Such contacts can be
burnished and reconditioned using abrasive tools.

It may be that later contacts, manufactured for cheapness, do not use
traditional solid alloy contact material which is rivetted or welded to the base
contact spring material, and by so doing they would, in my opinion, be inferior
to the types which do.

 

[JeffM]

Arfa Daily wrote:
Your blockquoting looks pretty sad.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/c89433e3d6dba496?dmode=source

Have you heard of this 3rd-party update for your M$ software?
http://google.com/search?q=inurl:jain+%22+OE.doesn't.exactly.feature.the.most.intelligent.quoting.algorithm

 

[Arfa Daily]

"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
news:72b5f373-0266-4502-a802-c8ee67573777@p10g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

Arfa Daily wrote:
That seems a bit pessimistic[...]

Your blockquoting looks pretty sad.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/c89433e3d6dba496?dmode=source

Have you heard of this 3rd-party update for your M$ software?
http://google.com/search?q=inurl:jain+%22+OE.doesn't.exactly.feature.the.most.intelligent.quoting.algorithm

Funnily enough, as soon as I replied to that particular post, I thought it
looked 'wrong' ... To be fair, I don't usually quote in a way that appears
"sad" or confused as far as I am aware. When my replies pop up in threads,
they usually seem to look ok on my machine. However, thanks for the pointer
to that piece of software. I've put it on now, so perhaps that will allow my
posts to present in a way that does not further upset your sensibilities ...
I'm sure you'll let me know if that's not the case ??

Arfa

 

[Arfa Daily]

"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:s9agb51csqsndjtbatlf4tmqmgqufrveld@4ax.com...

On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:41:18 +0100, "Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com
wrote:

:
:"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
:news:3cmdb51o9cfgaantdo289j3dlqsbpvquj4@4ax.com...
:> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT), GeneO <genosmm@yahoo.com
wrote:
:
:> :Have been Googling the proper way to clean plated electrical contacts
:> :but either get nothing if use " or a lot of nonrelevant hits without.
:> :
:> :Am interested in any suggestions esp how to remove the nonconductive
:> xides.
:> :
:> :If a connector is too damaged would also be interested in what are
:> :considered the best type replacement.
:> :
:> :Thanks
:> :
:> :Gene
:
:
:> I don't think I have ever come across a "plated" electrical contact. In
my
:> experience electrical contacts are always a solid material such as
brass
:> (cheap
:> and nasty - often used in electrical appliances) or a more exotic alloy
:> material
:> such as nickel-silver. The contact material used is dependant on the
:> application
:> (AC or DC and whether inductive) and the magnitude of the current being
:> handled.
:
:
:I'm sure that you must have, Ross ?? I'd agree with you on 'solid brass
:contacts' in clunky mains power switches etc, but elsewhere, many
contacts
:seem to be plated rather than solid. For instance, I just put the word
:"plated" into the search pane on one component supplier's website, and it
:came back with 59 items, most of which were connectors with a variety of
lating materials quoted for their contacts, including gold, silver &
tin.
:Similarly, a quick look in a catalogue at switches, reveals many to have
:either gold or silver plated contacts. Also, many relays have contacts
:described variously as gold "plated", "covered", "overlayed" etc. It is
:these contacts that I find you have to be careful not to use any kind of
:abrasion on, for fear of going through the very thin layer of plating. I
:generally find that pulling a piece of dry cardboard through things like
:relay contacts, is enough to clean them. A tiny spot of cleaner/lubricant
:introduced to the contact gap, finishes the job off.
:
:Arfa
:

My experience has been mainly related to relays of both open and enclosed
types,
from miniature pcb mounted types for signal transmission to heavy duty
high
current capacity types. I will agree that particularly for the low level
signal
types the manufacturers often "enhance" the contact material by adding a
gold
"overlay". However, the actual relay contact will be made of some alloy
material
such as silver-palladium or other mixture. The contact is usually rivetted
or
welded to the spring leaf, which is probably a plated phosphor bronze
material,
while the gold overlay on the contact pips is simply to reduce contact
resistance due to oxidation through lack of a wetting current. A typical
relay
of this type, which I have on hand, is the Fujitsu FBR46. With such
relays, as
you have mentioned, you never use abrasive methods of cleaning or
burnishing but
with gold as an overlay this should not be necessary. The problem with any
"plated" contact is that once the plating material has been lost either
through
repeated operation or arcing etc, the base contact material is all that is
left.
In cases where no plating is used unless the contact material is one of
the
recognised traditional materials such as nickel-silver, silver-palladium
etc,
the electrical performance of the contact will be unreliable. Such a relay
used
for heavy current carrying capacity which I also have on hand is a Fuji
HH62
witha contact rating at 10A. In this case the contact material is simply a
"silver alloy" - probably made to Fuji specification. Such contacts can be
burnished and reconditioned using abrasive tools.

It may be that later contacts, manufactured for cheapness, do not use
traditional solid alloy contact material which is rivetted or welded to
the base
contact spring material, and by so doing they would, in my opinion, be
inferior
to the types which do.

OK. Understand what you're saying ...

Arfa

 

[msg]

Arfa Daily wrote:

"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
news:72b5f373-0266-4502-a802-c8ee67573777@p10g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
Arfa Daily wrote:
That seems a bit pessimistic[...]
Your blockquoting looks pretty sad.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/c89433e3d6dba496?dmode=source

Have you heard of this 3rd-party update for your M$ software?
http://google.com/search?q=inurl:jain+%22+OE.doesn't.exactly.feature.the.most.intelligent.quoting.algorithm


Funnily enough, as soon as I replied to that particular post, I thought it
looked 'wrong' ... To be fair, I don't usually quote in a way that appears
"sad" or confused as far as I am aware. When my replies pop up in threads,
they usually seem to look ok on my machine. However, thanks for the pointer
to that piece of software. I've put it on now, so perhaps that will allow my
posts to present in a way that does not further upset your sensibilities ...
I'm sure you'll let me know if that's not the case ??

Arfa

This looks much better. Often text you cited from previous posts appeared inline
as if it were your original material

Michael

 

[Arfa Daily]

"msg" <msg@_cybertheque.org_> wrote in message
news:uNKdnfMP8qQM0ifXnZ2dnUVZ_uli4p2d@posted.cpinternet...

Arfa Daily wrote:
"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
news:72b5f373-0266-4502-a802-c8ee67573777@p10g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
Arfa Daily wrote:
That seems a bit pessimistic[...]
Your blockquoting looks pretty sad.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/c89433e3d6dba496?dmode=source

Have you heard of this 3rd-party update for your M$ software?
http://google.com/search?q=inurl:jain+%22+OE.doesn't.exactly.feature.the.most.intelligent.quoting.algorithm


Funnily enough, as soon as I replied to that particular post, I thought
it looked 'wrong' ... To be fair, I don't usually quote in a way that
appears "sad" or confused as far as I am aware. When my replies pop up in
threads, they usually seem to look ok on my machine. However, thanks for
the pointer to that piece of software. I've put it on now, so perhaps
that will allow my posts to present in a way that does not further upset
your sensibilities ... I'm sure you'll let me know if that's not the case
??

Arfa

This looks much better. Often text you cited from previous posts appeared
inline
as if it were your original material

Michael

Interesting that you say "often". I really hadn't noticed that this occured
except on the odd occasion, and I had always put that down to there being
something amiss in the formatting of the text that I was 'breaking into'
with my comments. I don't very often reply in that way, answering individual
points within the text body of the original post. Normally, I append a total
reply to the bottom of the post, sometimes snipping irrelevant text from
above or below, if it is one specific point that I am replying to, or where
the post has become unnecessarily rambling. I had always thought that the
original text gained right arrows at the start of each line automatically,
with my text identified by not having these, as a function of OE as it
stands, and when these didn't appear, as was the case that started this
sub-discussion, that something had just 'gone wrong'. Surely, I wasn't
seeing something different on my machine, than what everyone else was
seeing, was I ? Presumably, once the post is on the server, I see the same
as everyone else, don't I, even though it's my own post that I'm looking at
?

I must admit to being a little confused now (not unusual !) The indicated
bit of software is now installed, and I guess it must be doing something as
you say that things now look "better", but I'm not sure exactly what I am
seeing here, that looks any different, other than the number of right arrows
at each line start seems to be increasing as you go further back ... ??

Arfa

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Arfa Daily wrote:

Interesting that you say "often". I really hadn't noticed that this occured
except on the odd occasion, and I had always put that down to there being
something amiss in the formatting of the text that I was 'breaking into'
with my comments. I don't very often reply in that way, answering individual
points within the text body of the original post. Normally, I append a total
reply to the bottom of the post, sometimes snipping irrelevant text from
above or below, if it is one specific point that I am replying to, or where
the post has become unnecessarily rambling. I had always thought that the
original text gained right arrows at the start of each line automatically,
with my text identified by not having these, as a function of OE as it
stands, and when these didn't appear, as was the case that started this
sub-discussion, that something had just 'gone wrong'. Surely, I wasn't
seeing something different on my machine, than what everyone else was
seeing, was I ? Presumably, once the post is on the server, I see the same
as everyone else, don't I, even though it's my own post that I'm looking at
?

I must admit to being a little confused now (not unusual !) The indicated
bit of software is now installed, and I guess it must be doing something as
you say that things now look "better", but I'm not sure exactly what I am
seeing here, that looks any different, other than the number of right arrows
at each line start seems to be increasing as you go further back ... ??

That's what its supposed to look like. Each new meassage is supposed
to add another row of arrows to any quoted text, so you can tell who
posted what without going back and reading every message in a thread.


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[Smitty Two]

In article <kMzum.166986$4f4.153980@newsfe11.ams2>,
"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

I must admit to being a little confused now

FWIW I don't remember your posts having a quoting problem before.

But I'm confused, too: I don't understand why so many people use an
operating system that has to be patched every three days, and software
that has to have third party shit added to it to work properly.

 

[Arfa Daily]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:SsudnTjlDpITYSfXnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@earthlink.com...

Arfa Daily wrote:

Interesting that you say "often". I really hadn't noticed that this
occured
except on the odd occasion, and I had always put that down to there being
something amiss in the formatting of the text that I was 'breaking into'
with my comments. I don't very often reply in that way, answering
individual
points within the text body of the original post. Normally, I append a
total
reply to the bottom of the post, sometimes snipping irrelevant text from
above or below, if it is one specific point that I am replying to, or
where
the post has become unnecessarily rambling. I had always thought that the
original text gained right arrows at the start of each line
automatically,
with my text identified by not having these, as a function of OE as it
stands, and when these didn't appear, as was the case that started this
sub-discussion, that something had just 'gone wrong'. Surely, I wasn't
seeing something different on my machine, than what everyone else was
seeing, was I ? Presumably, once the post is on the server, I see the
same
as everyone else, don't I, even though it's my own post that I'm looking
at
?

I must admit to being a little confused now (not unusual !) The indicated
bit of software is now installed, and I guess it must be doing something
as
you say that things now look "better", but I'm not sure exactly what I am
seeing here, that looks any different, other than the number of right
arrows
at each line start seems to be increasing as you go further back ... ??


That's what its supposed to look like. Each new meassage is supposed
to add another row of arrows to any quoted text, so you can tell who
posted what without going back and reading every message in a thread.


--

Fair enough ! Mission accomplished then, I guess ...

Arfa

 

[Arfa Daily]

"Smitty Two" <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
newsrestwhich-91D006.00285924092009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com...

In article <kMzum.166986$4f4.153980@newsfe11.ams2>,
"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

I must admit to being a little confused now

FWIW I don't remember your posts having a quoting problem before.

But I'm confused, too: I don't understand why so many people use an
operating system that has to be patched every three days, and software
that has to have third party shit added to it to work properly.

Well, part of it is that I don't look good with a beard, or in sandals. I
also find riding a bike a bit too much like hard work ...

Seriously though. My computers are just tools. They are not a hobby where I
like to tinker with software and so on. I understand probably more than most
average Joes about how they work, and how to keep them working, but the
vagaries of operating systems and so on, are way, waaaayy over my head. For
that reason alone, I just leave them with the Windows OS on them that they
came with, but as a side issue, I like to know that if I buy or download a
piece of software, chances are it can be thrown onto the machine, and will
just work with a minimum of fuss.

Gates-bashing seems to be an international pastime, and one that I don't
really understand. OK, so the guy makes a lot of money, and some of his
company's policies might be a bit monopolistic, but so what ? He puts a lot
back into the community, and I really don't think that his business
practices are any worse than many other large corporations. It also has to
be remembered that pretty much single-handedly, that company has been
responsible for spreading affordable and powerful computing throughout the
world, from the poorest to the richest countries, and with a common platform
that allows anyone from any of those countries, to develop software that can
be used by pretty much anyone *with* a computer.

As to it needing patches every couple of months, it has to be remembered
that it is a large and complex piece of software, trying to please all of
the people, all of the time. Of course there are going to be bugs, and as we
all know, patching one - in any piece of software let alone an OS - is
likely to cause other problems that just can't be forseen until they occur.
Many of the patches are security-related, and wouldn't be necessary if the
little toe rags who think it's funny to attack computers and wreak havoc in
the commercial world, were properly targetted, and jumped on from a great
height. Anyway, updating with those patches is no great shakes, is it ? My
Windows machines check with MS regularly, and just get on with downloading
and installing any updates, with little intervention from me.

And before everyone starts squawking at me in self-rightous indignation for
being crass enough to use, and actually *like* Windows, I really don't care.
It does what I need it to do, without me having any deep understanding of
either it, or the computers it runs on, and does it pretty much faultlessly
the majority of the time ... d;~}

Arfa

 

[Bob Larter]

GeneO wrote:

Have been Googling the proper way to clean plated electrical contacts
but either get nothing if use " or a lot of nonrelevant hits without.

Am interested in any suggestions esp how to remove the nonconductive
oxides.

If a connector is too damaged would also be interested in what are
considered the best type replacement.

I use the ink (ie; rougher) end of an ordinary eraser.

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