Class Action Filed Against China Over COVID-19 Outbreak

On 19/03/2020 15:23, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 19:35:33 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 6:57:49 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

This article says Italy and Iran got hit because they've each got
thousands of Chinese nationals flowing in and out as a result of
accepting Chinese investments.

"As a result of [the investment program] One Belt and One Road, there
are more than 300,000 Chinese living in Italy."

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/why-italy-and-iran.php

In Iran it is obvious why - their government denied there was a problem
in much the same way as Trump did. Failure to monitor and control it at
the outset gets you to a point where the infection reaches a sustained
exponential growth that cannot be sensibly contained.

This is much less racially prejudiced interpretation of why Italy was so
badly affected (which also includes some bad luck). Northern Italy poor
air quality and aged population may have made the infection much worse.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/why-italy-was-hit-so-hard-and-so-fast-by-covid-19-1.5498650
Wouldn't a higher level of seeding just shift the time offset of an
exponential growth curve? (Assuming all cases of the virus are
genetically identical.)

Flow of people to and from a hot spot is the vector but intercontinental
travel is relatively expensive in China. The initial cases in the UK
were mostly rich Chinese tourists and students. In Milan I expect they
were mainly executives who run clothing manufacture in China for the
fashion industry who first brought the virus into Italy. They are in and
out of both countries regularly. Italian health monitoring was not on
the ball and the virus got well established in the population.

Closing the borders between countries with very similar levels of
infection is virtually pointless. It does make sense to firewall the
places that have eliminated it like New Zealand and Singapore.

It seems to me that it would only take one C19-infected Chinese (or
Hawaiian, or whatever) to start an exponential national infection. And
in a borderless Europe, why would any defined country have a different
infection growth rate from another with a similar climate?

Population demographics, poor air quality and a direct connection to one
of the original hotspots in China. Same reason that London, Tokyo and LA
are also badly exposed. The medical systems also vary with country.

It does grow exponentially if you don't test and isolate all contacts.
UK held it down to under a dozen active cases almost all of whom caught
it abroad until the beginning of March but then one slipped under the
radar and community transmission began. They gave up on contact tracing
a week or so ago (which may have been a mistake).

The problem for infection control are the asymptomatic carriers (about
50% of those infected) and the ones who still go to work when poorly.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 09:32:39 +0000, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/03/2020 15:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:33:41 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

...
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Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------

In actual fact, China suppressed reports and spread their virus
unnecessarily in their own country and around the world for months,
from November through January.

If it grows exponentially from a single starting case, what difference
would it make? It wouldn't be noticed or defined or testable until the
infection involved a lot of people, and then it's too late to stop it.

If you can find the single cases before they infect anyone else and then
contact trace them the exponential growth can be prevented.

The UK did pretty well at this until mid-February with more detected
cases than in Italy but the Italian numbers were misleading. You can be
pretty sure that the true line for Italy is rising exponentially from
7th Feb. USA doesn't have a clue what its infection rate actually is so
you are basically on the Italian track for exponential growth now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51858987

UK held it to the baseline of under a dozen until March when community
transmission became too much for the contact tracing to handle.

That's my point. You can't test 100% of the population every week.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"
 
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 5:22:08 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:
In Iran it is obvious why - their government denied there was a problem
in much the same way as Trump did. Failure to monitor and control it at
the outset gets you to a point where the infection reaches a sustained
exponential growth that cannot be sensibly contained.

This is much less racially prejudiced interpretation of why Italy was so
badly affected (which also includes some bad luck). Northern Italy poor
air quality and aged population may have made the infection much worse.

President Trump banned travel from China in January, and you liberals damned him for being racist for it. That was while liberals were attempting to impeach him, with nothing up their sleeves or in their heads.
 
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:32:14 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 09:32:39 +0000, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/03/2020 15:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:33:41 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

In actual fact, China suppressed reports and spread their virus
unnecessarily in their own country and around the world for months,
from November through January.

There was a certain measure of incredulity amongst Chinese officials in January when it wasn't all that clear what was going on, and they were - unsurprisingly reluctant to realise quite a how big a disaster had brewed up, and even more reluctant to stick their necks out by recognising it.

On 31 December 2019, the virus had caused enough cases of unknown pneumonia to be reported to health authorities in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province. The authorities hadn't been notified that there was a problem before this, so claiming that they'd suppressed the reporting in November and December is inaccurate.

Investigation got under way in January and on 30 January, the WHO declared the outbreak to be a Public Health Emergency of International Concern, so the Chinese authorities clearly didn't suppress it for long.

If it grows exponentially from a single starting case, what difference
would it make? It wouldn't be noticed or defined or testable until the
infection involved a lot of people, and then it's too late to stop it.

If you can find the single cases before they infect anyone else and then
contact trace them the exponential growth can be prevented.

The UK did pretty well at this until mid-February with more detected
cases than in Italy but the Italian numbers were misleading. You can be
pretty sure that the true line for Italy is rising exponentially from
7th Feb. USA doesn't have a clue what its infection rate actually is so
you are basically on the Italian track for exponential growth now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51858987

UK held it to the baseline of under a dozen until March when community
transmission became too much for the contact tracing to handle.

That's my point. You can't test 100% of the population every week.

Nobody would even try. The only point that you make there is that you don't know what you are talking about, and we've known that for some time.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:07:48 PM UTC+11, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 5:22:08 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

In Iran it is obvious why - their government denied there was a problem
in much the same way as Trump did. Failure to monitor and control it at
the outset gets you to a point where the infection reaches a sustained
exponential growth that cannot be sensibly contained.

This is much less racially prejudiced interpretation of why Italy was so
badly affected (which also includes some bad luck). Northern Italy poor
air quality and aged population may have made the infection much worse.

President Trump banned travel from China in January, and you liberals damned him for being racist for it. That was while liberals were attempting to impeach him, with nothing up their sleeves or in their heads.

Trumps antics with the president of the Ukraine were precisely the kind of high crime and misdemeanor that should have got him impeached.

The Republican Party majority in the Senate was used to block any questioning of witnesses there, and let him off scot-free. Mitt Romney was the only one of the to show any sign of understanding what justice demanded, and he knew very well that he wasn't going to make anything happen.

It will probably be seen hereafter as the point at which the current US system of Government flushed itself down the toilet.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote in
news:faf58c94-9f88-4cba-9fac-03cde67383d2@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 5:22:08 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

In Iran it is obvious why - their government denied there was a
problem in much the same way as Trump did. Failure to monitor and
control it at the outset gets you to a point where the infection
reaches a sustained exponential growth that cannot be sensibly
contained.

This is much less racially prejudiced interpretation of why Italy
was so badly affected (which also includes some bad luck).
Northern Italy poor air quality and aged population may have made
the infection much worse.


President Trump banned travel from China in January, and you
liberals damned him for being racist for it.

Ummm... Nope.

That was while
liberals were attempting to impeach him,

Nope. Honorable men were trying to retain the integrity of the
office he tarnished to polish of.

Retarded maybe once was a man jackasses like you are actually
stupid enough to think that a CRIMINAL level NYC landlord and shyster
could do anything other than tarnish the office.

with nothing up their
sleeves or in their heads.

That was meaningless tripe. You should sign up to hop onto the
TrumpTainted bandwagon. They love stupid shit menaing tripe like
that.

You are so convoluted, you make me wish for your demise all over
again.

I hate divisive jackasses. You certainly qualify.
 
On 3/20/20 8:26 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
Far from it. If everybody eventually gets it, that will include the
Chinese, making their draconian response the irrelevancy.
That's a tautology. The Chinses draconian response has worked, and there's no obvious reason why it won't keep on working. It has also worked in Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore.

Nothing draconian here in Taiwan, just responsible government and people
who understand what the risk for the country is.

--
Reinhardt
 
On 3/19/20 11:28 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:33:41 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

...
--
Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------

In actual fact, China suppressed reports and spread their virus
unnecessarily in their own country and around the world for months,
from November through January.

If it grows exponentially from a single starting case, what difference
would it make? It wouldn't be noticed or defined or testable until the
infection involved a lot of people, and then it's too late to stop it.

Others have manged that. Taiwan got wind of this in December and started
to check anyone arriving from China, quarantined any suspects. Up to now
we have only about 400 cases, 5 deaths. Now anybody arriving from abroad
will go into 14 day quarantine. So we prevented community spread. All
cases are imported from locals returning from abroad.

--
Reinhardt
 

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