Class Action Filed Against China Over COVID-19 Outbreak

America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases, created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan, sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

Americans absolutely must be compensated for the psychological trauma of it all.

https://www.law.com/dailybusinessreview/2020/03/13/class-action-filed-against-china-over-covid-19-outbreak/

 

[Uwe Bonnes]

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

....
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Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------

 

[legg]

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:39:50 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases, created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan, sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

Americans absolutely must be compensated for the psychological trauma of it all.

https://www.law.com/dailybusinessreview/2020/03/13/class-action-filed-against-china-over-covid-19-outbreak/

Yeah . . . that'll solve everything.

RL

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:39:50 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Americans absolutely must be compensated for the psychological trauma of it all.
https://www.law.com/dailybusinessreview/2020/03/13/class-action-filed-against-china-over-covid-19-outbreak/

If I don't get sick from the virus, I'm already sick from the actions
of our president, governor, governments, officials, and now the legal
establishment.

"All we know about the new economic world tells us that nations which
train engineers will prevail over those which train lawyers. No nation
has ever sued its way to greatness."
Richard Lamm, 38th Governor of Colorado

I suspect the next victim will be to sue the US government for
defamation of character on behalf of the corvid crows, ravens, etc:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvidae>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

Italy got slammed because they're the center of global tourism, it's a huge industry, and the government didn't want to begin to put a dent in that income.
The fool tourists spread this thing around the globe.

...
--
Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 18/3/20 9:57 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

Italy got slammed because they're the center of global tourism, it's a huge industry, and the government didn't want to begin to put a dent in that income.

Milan got slammed because it's a centre of the global fashion industry,
with products made in (and many people travelling to/from) Wuhan.

CH

 

[John S]

On 3/17/2020 5:57 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

Italy got slammed because they're the center of global tourism, it's a huge industry, and the government didn't want to begin to put a dent in that income.
The fool tourists spread this thing around the globe.

You've never been a tourist? If you have, it makes you a fool.

 

[John S]

On 3/17/2020 9:39 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases, created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan, sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

Americans absolutely must be compensated for the psychological trauma of it all.

https://www.law.com/dailybusinessreview/2020/03/13/class-action-filed-against-china-over-covid-19-outbreak/

Sure. And Mexico will pay for the wall.

 

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 7:30:32 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 18/3/20 9:57 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

Italy got slammed because they're the center of global tourism, it's a huge industry, and the government didn't want to begin to put a dent in that income.

Milan got slammed because it's a centre of the global fashion industry,
with products made in (and many people travelling to/from) Wuhan.

CH

It was first detected in Chinese tourists there. There are no reports about Chinese immigrant population being the source or of having higher incidence of the virus. Most of those people have been living there for decades.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/coronavirus-italy

 

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 6:57:49 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago..

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

Italy got slammed because they're the center of global tourism, it's a huge industry, and the government didn't want to begin to put a dent in that income.
The fool tourists spread this thing around the globe.


...
--
Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------

This article says Italy and Iran got hit because they've each got
thousands of Chinese nationals flowing in and out as a result of
accepting Chinese investments.

"As a result of [the investment program] One Belt and One Road, there
are more than 300,000 Chinese living in Italy."

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/why-italy-and-iran.php

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

...
--
Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------

In actual fact, China suppressed reports and spread their virus
unnecessarily in their own country and around the world for months,
from November through January.

Then they complained when the United States took action...

<quote>
BBC, 3-Feb-2020
In a news briefing on Monday, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson
Hua Chunying said the US actions "could only create and spread fear" instead of offering assistance.
She said the US was the first country to impose a travel ban on Chinese travellers and the first to suggest a partial withdrawal of its embassy staff.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51353279
</quote>

The Trump administration responded, according to China's foreign ministry
spokeswoman above, before any other nation had.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 10:35:38 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 6:57:49 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

Italy got slammed because they're the center of global tourism, it's a huge industry, and the government didn't want to begin to put a dent in that income.
The fool tourists spread this thing around the globe.


...
--
Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------

This article says Italy and Iran got hit because they've each got
thousands of Chinese nationals flowing in and out as a result of
accepting Chinese investments.

"As a result of [the investment program] One Belt and One Road, there
are more than 300,000 Chinese living in Italy."

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/why-italy-and-iran.php

Cheers,
James Arthur

By that reasoning the U.S. should be just as bad at this point, which it isn't. And just look at all the Chinese exchange students strategically placed all around the U.S. A handful may have been confirmed with COVID-19 but so far they're acting somewhat responsibly in not spreading it. Going in the reverse direction, China has a fairly large university scholarship program that attracts thousands of students from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, in particular, and who knows where else, quite a few from U.S. too I would imagine. There has to be millions of Chinese business people and workers with close ties to China through travel in U.S. too.

 

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 9:59:11 AM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 10:35:38 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 6:57:49 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

Italy got slammed because they're the center of global tourism, it's a huge industry, and the government didn't want to begin to put a dent in that income.
The fool tourists spread this thing around the globe.


...
--
Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------

This article says Italy and Iran got hit because they've each got
thousands of Chinese nationals flowing in and out as a result of
accepting Chinese investments.

"As a result of [the investment program] One Belt and One Road, there
are more than 300,000 Chinese living in Italy."

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/why-italy-and-iran.php

Cheers,
James Arthur

By that reasoning the U.S. should be just as bad at this point, which it isn't. And just look at all the Chinese exchange students strategically placed all around the U.S. A handful may have been confirmed with COVID-19 but so far they're acting somewhat responsibly in not spreading it. Going in the reverse direction, China has a fairly large university scholarship program that attracts thousands of students from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, in particular, and who knows where else, quite a few from U.S. too I would imagine. There has to be millions of Chinese business people and workers with close ties to China through travel in U.S. too.

You're right that we'd need more information to confirm the
article's premise -- we'd need confirmation those areas' resident
or visiting Chinese population had traveled and been exposed. But
given enough people, it seems fairly likely that multiple individuals
would have traveled home to celebrate Chinese New Year (where
much of the contagion was spread), and then returned to their
jobs in Italy or Iran.

We do know it came from China, starting in ~November, and it didn't
swim to satellite foci Italy and Iran -- someone brought it.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:33:41 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

...
--
Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------

In actual fact, China suppressed reports and spread their virus
unnecessarily in their own country and around the world for months,
from November through January.

If it grows exponentially from a single starting case, what difference
would it make? It wouldn't be noticed or defined or testable until the
infection involved a lot of people, and then it's too late to stop it.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 19:35:33 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 6:57:49 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

Italy got slammed because they're the center of global tourism, it's a huge industry, and the government didn't want to begin to put a dent in that income.
The fool tourists spread this thing around the globe.


...
--
Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------

This article says Italy and Iran got hit because they've each got
thousands of Chinese nationals flowing in and out as a result of
accepting Chinese investments.

"As a result of [the investment program] One Belt and One Road, there
are more than 300,000 Chinese living in Italy."

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/why-italy-and-iran.php

Cheers,
James Arthur

Wouldn't a higher level of seeding just shift the time offset of an
exponential growth curve? (Assuming all cases of the virus are
genetically identical.)

It seems to me that it would only take one C19-infected Chinese (or
Hawaiian, or whatever) to start an exponential national infection. And
in a borderless Europe, why would any defined country have a different
infection growth rate from another with a similar climate?



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 11:23:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Wouldn't a higher level of seeding just shift the time offset of an
exponential growth curve? (Assuming all cases of the virus are
genetically identical.)

Absolutely true. However, those few days of time shifting gives a country time to come to grips with the reality and watch other countries fail or succeed in dealing with the matter so as to learn from their mistakes.

So far the Chinese (and most other countries) have failed to jump on the problem quickly which we have copied. They then figured out that it was essential to put all affected areas into total lock down which we have not yet figured out.

It seems to me that it would only take one C19-infected Chinese (or
Hawaiian, or whatever) to start an exponential national infection. And
in a borderless Europe, why would any defined country have a different
infection growth rate from another with a similar climate?

It would not be "exponential" if detected, tracked and everyone else infected found and isolated. That is practical if the numbers are small.

In the "borderless" Europe all countries do have exponential growth. Some may be responding more effectively than others so the exponent may not have the same value. Why, what are you seeing that you aren't talking about???

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-03-19 12:54, Rick C wrote:

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 11:28:36 AM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:33:41 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes
wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and
contain the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number
of cases, created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the
region near Wuhan, sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The
case alleges claims of negligence, emotional distress, public
nuisance and strict liability for “conducting ultrahazardous
activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four
weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will
have better chances.

... -- Uwe Bonnes
bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289
Darmstadt --------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151
1623305 ---------

In actual fact, China suppressed reports and spread their virus
unnecessarily in their own country and around the world for
months, from November through January.

If it grows exponentially from a single starting case, what
difference would it make? It wouldn't be noticed or defined or
testable until the infection involved a lot of people, and then
it's too late to stop it.

You still don't seem to understand what is going on. Does anyone
know JL on a personal level? Is he one of these old guys who has
hardening of the arteries and literally can't learn new things?

Sure, we've been friends for a decade or more. He, I, James, and some
others here have just seen this movie too many times.

The virus scare is being used to advance all sorts of authoritarian
measures that may not all go away when it's over, like the 'temporary'
income tax.

It's not as though the projections couldn't be true, but there are so
many adjustable parameters that are exponentially sensitive that they're
a very rough guide at best. That scary ICL study is a case in point--by
changing their assumptions slightly, they made the results go all over
the map.

I've stocked up on nonperishable food and some medicines, I wash my
hands a lot, use dilute bleach on counters and door knobs at the lab,
and am keeping out of shops and restaurants. Flattening the curve is a
good idea up to a point, but there is a tradeoff between short term risk
and possible long term poverty from too long a shutdown.

Obviously there is no point in the infection process when it is "too
late to stop it".

Sure there is, if you aren't prepared to weld people's apartment doors shut.

China didn't act until thousands were infected and

many were dying and they have the spread reduced to very small
numbers now and more importantly, the total number of infected
continues to drop. The issue is the extent of the measures required
to stop this disease. China has been hardest hit at this point but
they are also showing the world how to fight it.

By being the lying totalitarians that they are. No thanks.

If it becomes endemic in the rest of the world, it will in China too,
welders or no welders.

However, chloroquine seems to be the silver bullet, so it may just go away.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 1:18:51 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-03-19 12:54, Rick C wrote:

You still don't seem to understand what is going on. Does anyone
know JL on a personal level? Is he one of these old guys who has
hardening of the arteries and literally can't learn new things?

Sure, we've been friends for a decade or more. He, I, James, and some
others here have just seen this movie too many times.

The virus scare is being used to advance all sorts of authoritarian
measures that may not all go away when it's over, like the 'temporary'
income tax.

This is just pure paranoia. So far you are the only person to mention this, so don't put it on Larkin. Own this one all by yourself.

It's not as though the projections couldn't be true, but there are so
many adjustable parameters that are exponentially sensitive that they're
a very rough guide at best. That scary ICL study is a case in point--by
changing their assumptions slightly, they made the results go all over
the map.

You can't look at the graph of infections in the US on a log scale and see it is a straight line??? You seem to want to make this complicated so you can just deny how bad it's going to be if we don't lock down most of the country.

I've stocked up on nonperishable food and some medicines, I wash my
hands a lot, use dilute bleach on counters and door knobs at the lab,
and am keeping out of shops and restaurants. Flattening the curve is a
good idea up to a point, but there is a tradeoff between short term risk
and possible long term poverty from too long a shutdown.

We are all free to deal with this as we wish... until we aren't. You only need to look at what happened in China to see what we have to do. Your short term economic concerns mean nothing to the rest of the country.

Obviously there is no point in the infection process when it is "too
late to stop it".

Sure there is, if you aren't prepared to weld people's apartment doors shut.

That's in effect what China did and that is what we will ultimately have to do here. Don't kid yourself.

You do know that once the hospitals are overwhelmed, they are overwhelmed for EVERYONE regardless of the reason you are there. Get in an auto accident and you are in the same hospital as everyone else.

China didn't act until thousands were infected and
many were dying and they have the spread reduced to very small
numbers now and more importantly, the total number of infected
continues to drop. The issue is the extent of the measures required
to stop this disease. China has been hardest hit at this point but
they are also showing the world how to fight it.

By being the lying totalitarians that they are. No thanks.

Lol! Unfortunately COVID-19 doesn't care about your politics.

If it becomes endemic in the rest of the world, it will in China too,
welders or no welders.

That may or may not be true, but is largely irrelevant.


> However, chloroquine seems to be the silver bullet, so it may just go away.

We'll see.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 11:28:36 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:33:41 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
America doing what it does best.

The Berman Law Group, alleged China’s failure to report and contain
the virus more quickly, or disclose the actual number of cases,
created “essentially a giant Petri dish” in the region near Wuhan,
sparking the global COVID-19 outbreak. The case alleges claims of
negligence, emotional distress, public nuisance and strict liability
for “conducting ultrahazardous activity.”

China started to react soon and brought the numbers down four weeks ago.

Most other waited for more weeks and now are hit harder.

I think a class action against the Trump adminstration will have better
chances.

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In actual fact, China suppressed reports and spread their virus
unnecessarily in their own country and around the world for months,
from November through January.

If it grows exponentially from a single starting case, what difference
would it make? It wouldn't be noticed or defined or testable until the
infection involved a lot of people, and then it's too late to stop it.

You still don't seem to understand what is going on. Does anyone know JL on a personal level? Is he one of these old guys who has hardening of the arteries and literally can't learn new things?

Obviously there is no point in the infection process when it is "too late to stop it". China didn't act until thousands were infected and many were dying and they have the spread reduced to very small numbers now and more importantly, the total number of infected continues to drop. The issue is the extent of the measures required to stop this disease. China has been hardest hit at this point but they are also showing the world how to fight it.

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jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:23d77f9ln1kbv0dbqjfib17gmvng6gm95t@4ax.com:

Lots of social-distancing propaganda is reasonable. Shutting down
the
whole economy for an indefinite time, and spending a couple
trillion
dollars, isn't.

You really just don't give a fat flying fuck that some folks are
going to die, do you?

What is different this time, you retarded twit, is that it is
unknown what we face.

In 1918 that unknown killed millions.

Not having a handle on this is bad data gathering, you dig, Mr.
Electronics data capturre guy?

You claim to do precision, yet fail to grasp that a casual attitude
toward this is very bad science.

And it involves deaths. Plural.

You are almost as dumb as Trump. You are truly TrumpTainted.

Why don't you go have a few shots of Chloroquine? You'll feel so
much better that you'll have to rush to get your entire family to
take it too.

Or maybe in your case, you should opt for Jim Jones' Kool-Aid.