Chip with simple program for Toy

[Active8]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:37 -0800, Larry Brasfield wrote:

"Active8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
snip

All modern newsreaders have thread views, and the
threads are formed from posts based upon the content
of the 'References:' and 'Message-ID:' headers. Since I
have maintained that linkage, chatter such as "broken
thread" and "breaking thread" is really stretching things
since no continuity is broken.

I already hinted that thread continuity is maintained by the header
lines, so why go to the trouble to tell me something I already know.
If you'd been around this group as long as I have, you'd have seen
posts where people complained of these subject changes starting a
new thread, etc. Google used to do that, too.
<snip>

As for "Get's him on top", I do not even know what
header organizing method would be doing that, (and
I have no such motivation.)

It looks like my reader default's to starting a new thread on
subject change. Fixed. It also appends "was: [old subject]" when I
do a subject change, which is rare.

So now that google's got it right, I guess it's a non-problem now. I
wonder if there's any content in that long winded post.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

 

[Clint Sharp]

In message <v4tu31h3mfh5as6dconm25rjtefd35npna@4ax.com>, Rex
<rex@yahoo.invalid> writes

Bottom line... you get what you pay for and I tried to go cheap. Hard to
tell the mechanics of a laminator without opening it up and I think it
matters a lot for this application.

How 'bout the fuser assembly from an old laser printer? Should be

possible to buy a refurb assembly for an old Laserjet II,III or IV for
little money. The temperature would need controlling and you'd have to
drive it but............
--
Clint Sharp

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:45:43 -0500, Active8 wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:58:30 GMT, Rich Grise wrote:

Interestingly, Pan seems to have no facility to post with attachments.
Whenever I want to post a binary to a.b.s.e, I have to use knode. Which
is an OK newsreader, too, but there's just something about Pan.

Yikes! Pan for winders is a devil worshipper! It ignores my default
browser setting and opens IE for a link, thereby reinstalling the Alexis
spyware.

Must release judgements. I am not bad for having evil stuff like IE on
my winders box. It's ok to feel that MS is evil and Pan knows not what
it does. What am I forgetting here, Rich? Other than a big pot of coffee
and a collection plate

Try "Edit/Preferences/Apps&Mail" and put in the name of the browser
you want in the textbox labeled: "Web Browser (%s is URL)".

HTH!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:33:57 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote:

So it seems like a lot of people assume, or know, that there are left
hinged models, but so far I have not actually found one.

Found a left-hinged microwave oven, here:

http://www.gaggenauappliances.co.uk/home.php?page=detail&product=em200

See how the control panel is to the viewer's right? Does its door stick
out between the chamber and the panel?

What happens if you try "right-hinged"? 'cause that's what it actually is.
And the panel would have to be on the left, cause that's the side where
the door opening is. I'd think whoever puts it out there would hype the
crap out of it, or go to big builders of apartment buildings, where every
two apartments are mirror images of each other. (they do that so the
kitchens and bathrooms can go back-to-back - half as many pipe chutes.)

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:33:57 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote:

So it seems like a lot of people assume, or know, that there are left
hinged models, but so far I have not actually found one.


Found a left-hinged microwave oven, here:

http://www.gaggenauappliances.co.uk/home.php?page=detail&product=em200

Yeah, unfortunately, left-_hinged_. Here's a figure from their
installation instructions:

http://www.neodruid.net/images/Micro_Door-1.png

and the one I want to sell a billion of:

http://www.neodruid.net/images/Micro_Door-1R.png

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Larry Brasfield]

"Active8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
news:1e3alo8raj6s9.dlg@ID-222894.news.individual.net...

You know what? I'd actually start reading more of your posts if
you'd just say "this won't work because..." instead of something
like "Clearly, if he knew the op-amp was banging around,..."

For me to pretend to educate Mr. Fields would require
an effort I cannot muster at this point in our history.

[Reasonable advice cut.]

I haven't yet found the circuit that you call your own in all that
noise. I doubt anyone trying to learn something here would bother.
I'm interested in seeing this circuit that allegedly trumps John's.

For the purposes I offered my circuit, I'm not making
the claim that it trumps John's. I got the idea it was for
a student who seemed to want to learn some things.

The only claim I make for this is that it can be easily
and simply compensated in a predictable way via
analytical methods accessible to most EE students.

Since there is little in the way of any performance
requirement, any "trumps" proclamation would be
very premature.

What follows is essentially the same circuit I posted
without values yesterday. There is an added biasing
resistor to make better use of the op-amp range.

So, if you want to see it, here is the LTSpice source:
============ begin sefamp.asc ============
Version 4
SHEET 1 880 680
WIRE -208 240 -208 224
WIRE -208 352 -208 320
WIRE -144 224 -208 224
WIRE -144 352 -144 224
WIRE -128 352 -144 352
WIRE -96 192 -96 176
WIRE -80 176 -96 176
WIRE 16 176 0 176
WIRE 16 256 16 176
WIRE 16 352 -48 352
WIRE 16 352 16 288
WIRE 32 128 32 -48
WIRE 32 256 16 256
WIRE 32 288 16 288
WIRE 64 112 64 48
WIRE 64 128 32 128
WIRE 64 240 64 128
WIRE 64 320 64 304
WIRE 80 -48 32 -48
WIRE 80 48 64 48
WIRE 112 112 64 112
WIRE 112 320 64 320
WIRE 112 320 112 112
WIRE 128 176 16 176
WIRE 144 352 16 352
WIRE 192 -48 160 -48
WIRE 192 48 160 48
WIRE 192 48 192 -48
WIRE 192 272 96 272
WIRE 192 272 192 176
WIRE 208 48 192 48
WIRE 208 64 208 48
WIRE 224 272 192 272
WIRE 256 -48 256 -80
WIRE 256 48 208 48
WIRE 256 48 256 32
WIRE 256 272 224 272
WIRE 288 176 288 160
WIRE 304 160 288 160
WIRE 368 -80 256 -80
WIRE 368 -48 368 -80
WIRE 368 80 368 32
WIRE 368 112 368 80
WIRE 368 224 368 208
WIRE 368 272 336 272
WIRE 368 272 368 224
WIRE 400 224 368 224
WIRE 400 320 112 320
WIRE 400 320 400 304
WIRE 416 80 368 80
WIRE 464 80 416 80
WIRE 512 -80 368 -80
WIRE 512 -48 512 -80
WIRE 512 64 512 32
WIRE 512 288 512 160
WIRE 512 352 224 352
WIRE 512 352 512 288
WIRE 560 288 512 288
WIRE 592 288 560 288
WIRE 592 304 592 288
WIRE 592 400 592 384
FLAG 592 400 0
FLAG 208 64 0
FLAG -96 192 0
FLAG 288 176 0
FLAG -208 352 0
FLAG 560 288 out
FLAG 224 272 amp
FLAG 416 80 gate
SYMBOL res 16 160 R90
WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 0
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 0
SYMATTR InstName R1
SYMATTR Value 1k
SYMBOL cap 192 160 R90
WINDOW 0 0 32 VBottom 0
WINDOW 3 32 32 VTop 0
SYMATTR InstName C1
SYMATTR Value 1n
SYMBOL res -32 336 R90
WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 0
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 0
SYMATTR InstName R2
SYMATTR Value 5k
SYMBOL res 240 336 R90
WINDOW 0 33 101 VTop 0
WINDOW 3 32 -1 VTop 0
SYMATTR InstName R3
SYMATTR Value {-Acl * 5k}
SYMBOL npn 304 112 R0
SYMATTR InstName Q1
SYMATTR Value 2N5550
SYMBOL pmos 464 160 M180
SYMATTR InstName M1
SYMATTR Value FQB11P06
SYMBOL res 496 -64 R0
SYMATTR InstName R4
SYMATTR Value 10
SYMBOL res 352 -64 R0
SYMATTR InstName R5
SYMATTR Value 2k
SYMBOL res 576 288 R0
SYMATTR InstName R6
SYMATTR Value 200
SYMBOL voltage -208 224 R0
WINDOW 3 -50 -38 Left 0
WINDOW 123 -58 1 Left 0
WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 0
SYMATTR InstName V1
SYMATTR Value {spout / Acl }
SYMATTR Value2 AC 1
SYMBOL voltage 176 48 R90
WINDOW 0 59 84 VBottom 0
WINDOW 3 32 30 VTop 0
SYMATTR InstName V2
SYMATTR Value 11
SYMBOL voltage 64 -48 R270
WINDOW 0 -55 27 VTop 0
WINDOW 3 -32 79 VBottom 0
SYMATTR InstName V3
SYMATTR Value 11
SYMBOL voltage 256 -64 R0
SYMATTR InstName V4
SYMATTR Value 400
SYMBOL res 352 256 R90
WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 0
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 0
SYMATTR InstName R7
SYMATTR Value 1k
SYMBOL res 384 208 R0
SYMATTR InstName R8
SYMATTR Value 5k
SYMBOL Opamps\\LT1211 64 208 R0
WINDOW 0 -68 41 Right 0
WINDOW 3 -55 72 Right 0
SYMATTR InstName U1
TEXT -24 448 Left 0 !.ac oct 20 1k 50meg
TEXT 216 448 Left 0 !.step param spout LIST 50 150 250 350
TEXT -264 -24 Left 0 !.param Acl=-50
============ end sefamp.asc ============

--
--Larry Brasfield
email: donotspam_larry_brasfield@hotmail.com
Above views may belong only to me.

 

[Roger Johansson]

Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net> wrote:

http://www.gaggenauappliances.co.uk/home.php?page=detail&product=em200

Yeah, unfortunately, left-_hinged_. Here's a figure from their
installation instructions:

Oooops.

I tried ("right hinged" microwave) now and got:

"Gaggenau makes a right hinged microwave. It has a curved glass
door to match their oven. It is not available to the U.S. market.
You could import one through one of the freight fowarder vendors
discussed under the induction cooktop threads here."

Look at the picture here
http://www.gaggenauappliances.co.uk/home.php?page=microwaves


--
Roger J.

 

[Active8]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:20:31 -0800, Larry Brasfield wrote:

"Active8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
snip

I haven't yet found the circuit that you call your own in all that
noise. I doubt anyone trying to learn something here would bother.
I'm interested in seeing this circuit that allegedly trumps John's.

For the purposes I offered my circuit, I'm not making
the claim that it trumps John's. I got the idea it was for
a student who seemed to want to learn some things.

Then what is this supposed to mean?
<quote>

As far as I am concerned,
your topology is/was deeply flawed.
To "fix" it, I would
simply replace it with the topology I posted earlier.
/quote

The only claim I make for this is that it can be easily
and simply compensated in a predictable way via
analytical methods accessible to most EE students.

<quote>

As far as I am concerned,
your topology is/was deeply flawed.
To "fix" it, I would
simply replace it with the topology I posted earlier.
/quote

Since there is little in the way of any performance
requirement, any "trumps" proclamation would be
very premature.

<quote>

As far as I am concerned,
your topology is/was deeply flawed.
To "fix" it, I would
simply replace it with the topology I posted earlier.
/quote

<snip>
I eventually stumbled across your circuit in ascii art. So you
changed it, same topology. John fixed his, same topology. See a
pattern here?

I'm doing a long overdue release sync so viewing your circuit will
have to wait.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:47:05 -0800, "Larry Brasfield"
<donotspam_larry_brasfield@hotmail.com> wrote:

If you posted it without recognizing the oscillation for what
it is, then, at the very least, you have exhibited a level of
competence that disqualifies you from holding yourself out
as one of my technical betters.

What the hell is a "technical better"? More importantly, who the hell
cares?

John

 

[Lord Garth]

"Jack// ani" <nospam4u_jack@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111688607.582963.51980@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Hi all,

I want to interface my PIC uC with external ADC, I want to know which
is more easy and better a serial ADC or a parallel ADC?

Thanks

If the uC has a serial port, that would be easier but the rate at which you
could read the conversion results will be faster with a parallel ADC.

 

[Lord Garth]

"Jack// ani" <nospam4u_jack@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111689339.387719.13490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Thanks for reply Lord. Unfortunately link is dead!

Not from here though it is slow....send an email address or I can post

it to alt.binaries.schematics.electronic

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:38:12 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote:

Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net> wrote:

http://www.gaggenauappliances.co.uk/home.php?page=detail&product=em200

Yeah, unfortunately, left-_hinged_. Here's a figure from their
installation instructions:


Oooops.

I tried ("right hinged" microwave) now and got:

"Gaggenau makes a right hinged microwave. It has a curved glass
door to match their oven. It is not available to the U.S. market.
You could import one through one of the freight fowarder vendors
discussed under the induction cooktop threads here."

Look at the picture here
http://www.gaggenauappliances.co.uk/home.php?page=microwaves

Well, I still don't see one there, but there's this:

http://www.wickedsavings.com/HB56R550B

at GBP622 =:-O, and the Siemens site doesn't even list it.

I tell ya, the country needs this product, and I don't have enough money
to do it myself. All I need is about a million dollars, and I know a guy
who can have boatloads of them coming from China in a couple of weeks.

Hey, Jim Thompson! Didn't you say a million is peanuts? Wanna invest
some? ;-)

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Roger Johansson]

Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net> wrote:

Look at the picture here
http://www.gaggenauappliances.co.uk/home.php?page=microwaves

Well, I still don't see one there,

You have some problems with the web browser you use, because it is there
and loads without problems in my browser.

You could try downloading and installing the excellent Opera web browser
so you have an alternative browser for web sites which do not load in
your other browser. http://www.opera.com/download/

but there's this:
http://www.wickedsavings.com/HB56R550B
at GBP622 =:-O, and the Siemens site doesn't even list it.

I doubt that this is a microwave oven. And that is probably the reason
why you could not find it listed. From the text below the picture
"3 wire shelves". And there is not a word about microwaves in that
description.

I found that it was difficult to google for this, because you get so many
false hits, where web pages contain both conventional ovens and microwave
ovens. The "hinged" part is about a conventional oven, and microwave
ovens are mentioned on the same page, which is put together in the lines
quoted by google, so you get the impression that there are lots of hits.

I had got many such false hits before I found the real hit above.



--
Roger J.

 

[Larry Brasfield]

"Active8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
news:1lfq8kwtn9br2.dlg@ID-222894.news.individual.net...

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:20:31 -0800, Larry Brasfield wrote:
....
For the purposes I offered my circuit, I'm not making
the claim that it trumps John's. I got the idea it was for
a student who seemed to want to learn some things.

Then what is this supposed to mean?
quote
As far as I am concerned,
your topology is/was deeply flawed.
To "fix" it, I would
simply replace it with the topology I posted earlier.
/quote

Sorry for being too cryptic. There are a few
things to be learned from John's circuits. These
may be things the OP needs to learn, or wishes to.
He may have a better chance of learning them from
John's first oscillator or his later amplifier than he
would of learning them from what I posted.

The only claim I make for this is that it can be easily
and simply compensated in a predictable way via
analytical methods accessible to most EE students.

[Duplicate of above '<quo ... te> cut.]

I don't get your point. If you are suggesting there is
a discrepency between the quotes, I do not see it.

Since there is little in the way of any performance
requirement, any "trumps" proclamation would be
very premature.

[Duplicate of above '<quo ... te> cut.]

I still don't get your point. If you have one,
please try to spell it out a little for me. Maybe
if you consider the absence of a specification
you might see less inconsistency here.

I eventually stumbled across your circuit in ascii art. So you
changed it, same topology. John fixed his, same topology. See a
pattern here?

Sure, viewed superficially. I can see many
patterns that way. But to learn whether they
mean anything requires more scrutiny.

I'm doing a long overdue release sync so viewing your circuit will
have to wait.

Well, it was your request. If you have anything
interesting to say about it, I'll attend. But let's
not mix word games and circuit discussions.
The 'OT' is hard to render in gray on Usenet.

--
--Larry Brasfield
email: donotspam_larry_brasfield@hotmail.com
Above views may belong only to me.

 

[Roger Johansson]

Roger Johansson <no-email@no.invalid> wrote:

Look at the picture here
http://www.gaggenauappliances.co.uk/home.php?page=microwaves

If you cannot load that web page you can download a doc file about it.

http://www.gaggenauappliances.co.uk/pdf/em221_gb_en_planning_data.doc

From the doc file:

"Hingeing must be specified when ordering as the door is not
interchangeable."

Maybe the micro is not for sale without the conventional oven below it.
But the micro is mechanically a separate unit, which shows clearly in
the picture in the doc file.


Another alternative:

I can't be too difficult to rebuild a standard model if you really need a
right hinged micro. Some metal sheet working, creating new hinges on the
other side, turning the old door upside-down and moving a door-closed
electrical switch to the other side. Maybe easier, and cheaper, than
finding and importing one.


--
Roger J.

 

[Lord Garth]

"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message
newsan.2005.03.24.22.00.46.847016@example.net...

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:38:12 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote:

snip

I tell ya, the country needs this product, and I don't have enough money
to do it myself. All I need is about a million dollars, and I know a guy
who can have boatloads of them coming from China in a couple of weeks.

Hey, Jim Thompson! Didn't you say a million is peanuts? Wanna invest
some? ;-)

Half your dream inventory....design a door like on a toaster oven, hinged on
the
bottom. Thanks, I take 10%!

 

[Roger Johansson]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Three switches on the door is the usual setup. Two to keep it from
working with a warped door and the third is a fail-safe.

Okay, but it shouldn't be any problems to rearrange whatever switches
there are for most people in this newsgroup.

The harder part can be the sheet metal work. if you are not used to
mechanical work.



--
Roger J.

 

[Lord Garth]

"Roger Johansson" <no-email@no.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns96241F0F6E16F86336@81.174.12.30...

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Three switches on the door is the usual setup. Two to keep it from
working with a warped door and the third is a fail-safe.

Okay, but it shouldn't be any problems to rearrange whatever switches
there are for most people in this newsgroup.

The harder part can be the sheet metal work. if you are not used to
mechanical work.

How about simply turning over a standard unit .... Then see if the
control panel and the handle can be re-inverted. The lazy susan,
now that's a problem!

 

[Roger Johansson]

"Lord Garth" <LGarth@Tantalus.net> wrote:

How about simply turning over a standard unit .... Then see if the
control panel and the handle can be re-inverted. The lazy susan,
now that's a problem!

I thought about suggesting that, but there are problems with that
solution.

The rotating mechanism would have to be changed so you can hang the food
from it somehow. And turning the display and other stuff upside-down may
not be a trivial task.


--
Roger J.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:27:06 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote:

I can't be too difficult to rebuild a standard model if you really need a
right hinged micro. Some metal sheet working, creating new hinges on the
other side, turning the old door upside-down and moving a door-closed
electrical switch to the other side. Maybe easier, and cheaper, than
finding and importing one.

I know. It's almost trivial.

I don't want to make ONE, for ME.

I want to make 1,000,000,000, and sell them for $99.00 apiece, and
bank $0.99 per each - I think I could live fairly comfortably for
the next 50 or so years with 99,000,000.00 in the bank.

Cheers!
Rich