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[Rob Dekker]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:488DE41E.363905E9@hotmail.com...

Bret Cahill wrote:

When looking at battery tech for (PH)EVs, I came across an
interesting experiment converting a school bus into an electric
vehicle.

And if it was so great whey aren't they in volume manufacture right now ?

Graham

They are manufactured, but not in large volume yet.
Many reasons for that. One important one because the cost of diesel only recently became more expensive than grid+battery.
Remember oil was HALF the cost last year around this time (remember $70/barrel?).
It has been only been a few years that even diesel-hybrids became competitive with standard diesels.

Diesel-hybrids (especially series hybrids) already have full electric drive, so now that battery+grid became cheaper than diesel, I
expect a lot plug-in hybrid diesels to emerge (retrofit bigger batteries on existing hybrids, and on new vehicles), and electric and
plug-in hybrid busses/delivery vans will almost certainly take off too.

All this is assuming that price of oil is not gotta go down below $100 any more. If that happens, many applications will drop back
to simpler ICE technology.

Couple of big problems remains : how fast can the world increase battery production ? And which battery technology can expand
fastest...
The free market should be able to determine that though.
Since ZEBRAs use cheap production materials, and fairly simple production process, I give them a very good chance of becoming a
dominant battery technology for PHEVs and EVs.
Pitty that only one manufacterer in the world makes them (MES-DEA in Switzerland).

I wonder how many patents are still open on ZEBRA technology. Patent litigation and negotiation could slow down investment and
production of battery-tech.

Rob

 

[Rod Speed]

Rob Dekker <rob@verific.com> wrote

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Bret Cahill wrote

When looking at battery tech for (PH)EVs, I came across an
interesting experiment converting a school bus into an electric vehicle.

And if it was so great whey aren't they in volume manufacture right now ?

They are manufactured, but not in large volume yet.

And they wont ever be, you watch.

Many reasons for that. One important one because the cost of diesel only recently became more expensive than
grid+battery.

It still isnt except in a few very specialised situations and those dont involve PHEVs.

Remember oil was HALF the cost last year around this time (remember $70/barrel?).

And we'll see how long that continues for.

It has been only been a few years that even diesel-
hybrids became competitive with standard diesels.

They still arent.

Diesel-hybrids (especially series hybrids) already have full electric
drive, so now that battery+grid became cheaper than diesel,

It never did.

I expect a lot plug-in hybrid diesels to emerge

More fool you.

(retrofit bigger batteries on existing hybrids, and on new vehicles),

Wont make any real difference.

and electric and plug-in hybrid busses/delivery vans will almost certainly take off too.

Nope, you watch. It makes a hell of a lot more sense to use LPG and CNG instead.

All this is assuming that price of oil is not gotta go down below $100 any more.

Stupid assumption.

If that happens, many applications will drop back to simpler ICE technology.

And many more will use LPG and CNG instead.

Couple of big problems remains :

Nope.

how fast can the world increase battery production ?

Academic, there wont be the demand for that.

And which battery technology can expand fastest...

Academic, there wont be the demand for that.

The free market should be able to determine that though.

Yep, and it wont bother with battery+grid much at all, you watch.

Since ZEBRAs use cheap production materials, and fairly simple production process,

That aint the problem.

I give them a very good chance of becoming a
dominant battery technology for PHEVs and EVs.

More fool you.

Pitty that only one manufacterer in the world makes them (MES-DEA in Switzerland).

And thats because everyone else realises they have no future.

I wonder how many patents are still open on ZEBRA technology. Patent litigation and negotiation could slow down
investment and production of battery-tech.

Nope.

 

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Did you know that something like 30% of all fuel oil is used
in SHIPPING. No more trade with Asia (fuel costs too high

Thats not true. The sea freight is a small part of the retail price.

That's not what I said.

Yes it is.

I said % of usage.

That was a comment on your second sentance. Thats why I broke your para there.

In comparison aviation is 'only' 8% or so. Therefore
SHIPPING usage has a MAJOR effect on fuel oil price.

Nope, because it isnt where the increased demand is.

- already sea transport can account for 10% of the FOB - destination cost),

Not with the sort of stuff we buy from asia it doesnt.

You must be getting some damn good deals then !

Nope, just high value containerised 'stuff'

The value being highly critical. Lower value stuff goes that way too don't forget.

Not what we buy from ASIA it doesnt.

We used to get containerised deliveries for example of mid-value
electronics and shipping costs weren't negligible by any means.

I didnt say anything about negligible. Nothing like 10% tho.

no more cruise lines,

The cost of the fuel is a small part of their costs.

Maybe in their case.

No maybe about it. Their costs are completely dominated by wages and food etc.

you name it.

The Arabs aren't stupid, they know who pays for the modernisation
(and bombing) of their countries. It won't go that high.

It aint set by the arabs, and yes, it wont get that high.

Ever heard of OPEC ?

OPEC doesnt determine the price of oil.

Well no, ultimately 'the market' and speculators do that so we could say Wall St etc is to blame.

Yep, hence my original comment.

I dare say we could debate factors of this at length and it would be
quite interesting but I think there are other more important fish to fry.

Fried fish is bad for you.

Have you ever had British 'fish and chips' ?

Yep, and that has been proven to be bad for you.

It's a fine meal.

That has been proven to be bad for you.

Admittedlyt I prefer poached salmon.

I prefer trout myself.

I have no argument with you.

Have you no sense of common decency what so ever ?

We see things from slightly different perspectives
maybe, but I think we are are in broad agreement.

That cant be allowed to continue.

 

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Bret Cahill wrote

When looking at battery tech for (PH)EVs, I came across an
interesting experiment converting a school bus into an electric vehicle.

And if it was so great whey aren't they in volume manufacture right now ?

Coz the oil companys use terrorists to blow up the factorys, silly.

LMFAO !

Do they use C4 ?

Yep, dead giveaway.

 

[Rod Speed]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Bret Cahill wrote

When looking at battery tech for (PH)EVs, I came across an
interesting experiment converting a school bus into an electric vehicle.

And if it was so great whey aren't they in volume manufacture right now ?

Coz the oil companys use terrorists to blow up the factorys, silly.

Actually, they tried to get some terrorists to blow up the
school bus, but they burned their lips on the exhaust pipe.

Yep, those damned rag heads aint exactly rocket scientist material.

 

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Ever heard of OPEC ?

OPEC doesnt determine the price of oil.

Well no, ultimately 'the market' and speculators do that so we could say Wall St etc is to blame.

Yep, hence my original comment.

I dare say we could debate factors of this at length and it would be
quite interesting but I think there are other more important fish to fry.

Fried fish is bad for you.

Have you ever had British 'fish and chips' ?

Yep, and that has been proven to be bad for you.

Has it ?

Yep. Fried food is the main reason why the english are
much worse health wise than the mediteranean diet.

I rather thought the opposite as long as veg oil is used.

Nope.

Tastes good anyway. Ever tried it ?

Yep. It used to be my main fast food before hordes of immigrants showed up with much better fast food.

It's a fine meal.

That has been proven to be bad for you.

Please cite.

Too lazy.

Admittedlyt I prefer poached salmon.

I prefer trout myself.

A tricky one.

Not for me.

I'll stick with salmon though.

Too polluted.

Don't even get me started on raw salmon.

Wot abart raw prawns ?

I have no argument with you.

Have you no sense of common decency what so ever ?

I certainly hope I do.

No evidence of it.

We see things from slightly different perspectives
maybe, but I think we are are in broad agreement.

That cant be allowed to continue.

Explain ?

You're sposed to say Please Explain.

I AM aware of your reknowned TROLL status.
I'm not falling for that one. I'd rather share ideas.

Clearly no sense of common decency whatever.

Please address my suggestion.

What suggestion ?

 

[Rod Speed]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

I dare say we could debate factors of this at length and it would be
quite interesting but I think there are other more important fish to fry.

Fried fish is bad for you.

Depends on what you fry it in.

Nope, frying is bad for you.

 

[Rod Speed]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote

Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote

How tiny do you perceive commercial farm fields to
be that batteries can be charged "every few minutes?"

And it isnt even possible to charge them that quickly either.

Yup.

In the end, this "Brett Cahill" persona seems to be nothing more than a troll.

He's not a troll, just another silly little child that doesnt have a clue about the basics.

 

[Rob Dekker]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:ucps84tp8iaaul65nadccrpclbqtqv7hon@4ax.com...

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:36:18 +1000, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Bret Cahill wrote

When looking at battery tech for (PH)EVs, I came across an
interesting experiment converting a school bus into an electric vehicle.

And if it was so great whey aren't they in volume manufacture right now ?

Coz the oil companys use terrorists to blow up the factorys, silly.

Actually, they tried to get some terrorists to blow up the
school bus, but they burned their lips on the exhaust pipe.

Yep, those damned rag heads aint exactly rocket scientist material.

---
Well, that was supposed to be a joke, but if you want to get serious
about it they blew up, among other things, embassies, ships, and the
world trade towers, so they weren't exactly stupid, were they?

JF

John,

Careful : Don't fall in the Rod Speed trap. Here is how it works :

http://www.sensationbot.com/chat-rodspeed.html

Rob

 

[Rod Speed]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Bret Cahill wrote

When looking at battery tech for (PH)EVs, I came across an
interesting experiment converting a school bus into an electric vehicle.

And if it was so great whey aren't they in volume manufacture right now ?

Coz the oil companys use terrorists to blow up the factorys, silly.

Actually, they tried to get some terrorists to blow up the
school bus, but they burned their lips on the exhaust pipe.

Yep, those damned rag heads aint exactly rocket scientist material.

Well, that was supposed to be a joke,

Duh.

but if you want to get serious about it

Where did you get that SoH bypass ?

they blew up, among other things, embassies, ships,

Yes.

and the world trade towers,

Nope. And they didnt expect them to implode like they did either.

so they weren't exactly stupid, were they?

Odd, could have sworn that doing that eventually saw them fucked over very comprehensively indeed.

And plenty of them were actually stupid enough to kill themselves in the process too.

Cant get any stupider than that.

 

[Rod Speed]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

I dare say we could debate factors of this at length and it would be quite
interesting but I think there are other more important fish to fry.

Fried fish is bad for you.

Depends on what you fry it in.

Nope, frying is bad for you.

Got some data?

Yep, http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=frying+grilling+health

 

[Rob Dekker]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:vlop841niei6diudfa544pl7v7ocd93tfd@4ax.com...

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:01:16 -0700, Bill Ward
bward@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:28:18 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

DB <abc@some.net> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Immortalist <reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote

Why not just charge battereis with solar put in racks of 20 warehouse
charged universal racks electric cars of all kinds switch out the
racks 200 miles racks available every 20 miles deposit on a rack 40
seconds to switch out the rack at a "station"

Not viable. Have you the remotest concept of how much solar would be
needed at each rack station, and how long it takes to charge the rack
again and how many cars would be swapping the rack on even a single
decent interstate ?

It wouldnt even be viable with nukes for the charging.

It would make more sense to use nukes to produce hydrogen and use that
instead.

And again, this rod has no numbers.......

How odd that you never ever have yourself, troll.

Now THAT's funny!

---
Now THAT's insightful!

JF

Yeah. It's amazing what you can do with software.
http://www.sensationbot.com/chat-rodspeed.html

 

[Rob Dekker]

"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message news:c87b4c3e-6816-4efe-bb0c-fed6ebdaa497@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...

And again, this rod has no numbers.......

Doing math calculations without any reasoning or good reasoning is
nonsense. Numbers are only for the final tweaking.

The problem with this idiot is there is no reasoning either.

He just posts over and over,

"Nope."

"Ain't gonna happen."

"Prove it."

"No way."

"Show your work."

"Huge."

"Cite?"

"Nuke"

"Definition?"

Mostly at times when it makes no sense whatsoever.


Bret Cahill

Bret,

It's amazing what you can do with software.
Try this, and you can sound like Rod Speed too :

http://www.sensationbot.com/chat-rodspeed.html

After I called this guy a "dick-head and a retard" I decided to put him on my blocking list.
He (or 'it') is wasting my time.

Rob

 

[Rob Dekker]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:t7ur8497kp03sde8sr0h0nds8tuuktb7kg@4ax.com...

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:39:23 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:

And again, this rod has no numbers.......

Doing math calculations without any reasoning or good reasoning is
nonsense. Numbers are only for the final tweaking.

---
Absolute and utter garbage.
---

The problem with this idiot is there is no reasoning either.

---
LOL, 'this' was the perfect word to use!
---

He just posts over and over,

"Nope."

"Ain't gonna happen."

"Prove it."

"No way."

"Show your work."

"Huge."

"Cite?"

"Nuke"

"Definition?"

Mostly at times when it makes no sense whatsoever.

---
Because it makes no sense to you doesn't mean it makes no sense.


JF

John,

You start to sound like Rod Speed now. Are you using a chat program too ?

Rob

 

[Rob Dekker]

"Immortalist" <reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1f31a046-3564-40dd-a885-64266c33abb4@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

<mindless robot chat snipped>

Pathetic.

Please explain.

Immortalist, you are talking to a robot. This is how it works :
http://www.sensationbot.com/chat-rodspeed.html

Rob

 

[Rod Speed]

Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote

How tiny do you perceive commercial farm fields to
be that batteries can be charged "every few minutes?"

And it isnt even possible to charge them that quickly either.

I imagine his fix for that is to "just" have more spares available.

Wouldnt work.

Yup.

In the end, this "Brett Cahill" persona seems to be nothing more than a troll.

He's not a troll, just another silly little child that doesnt have a clue about the basics.

He appears to be a wannabe wheeler dealer.

Nope, no suggestion of whats necessary for that.

From viewing his activity on other topics, my impression is he thinks he's an idea man.

Not a shred of evidence that he's actually capable of thought either.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some fuckwit claiming to be
Rob Dekker <rob@verific.com> desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its
way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some fuckwit claiming to be
Rob Dekker <rob@verific.com> desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its
way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some fuckwit claiming to be
Rob Dekker <rob@verific.com> desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its
way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some fuckwit claiming to be
Rob Dekker <rob@verific.com> desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its
way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.