Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:16:58 GMT, the renowned KLM <klmok88@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:24:43 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:


Yes, it's hard to imagine a project that would involve displacing
2,000,000+ people.

Its even harder to imagine the desertification of something like 1/4
of the more fertile region of China that supports >600 millions people
now. The tragedy of the Aral Sea is gruesome.
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Quite impressive destruction of an inland Central Asian sea:
http://www.dfd.dlr.de/app/land/aralsee/chronology.html

Volume down by an order of magnitude in 2 or 3 generations.

The Yangtze diversification is too compelling to ignore or to put off.
The Yangtze Three Gorges project itself is amazing for the benefits it
will bring. Every decade it has three massive floods that kills
thousands and downs whole provinces downstream. The excess waters
from the Yangtze will be very profitably used for the Huangho. This
is a continental sized project with continental sized consequences
that cannot be predicted. One positive argument will be that its
unlikely for both the Yangtze and the Huangho drainage areas to suffer
drought in the same year.
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Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
news:ndvj501acgcfq88g66bj0d3u0hs7elde6p@4ax.com...
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:16:58 GMT, the renowned KLM <klmok88@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:24:43 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:


Yes, it's hard to imagine a project that would involve displacing
2,000,000+ people.

Its even harder to imagine the desertification of something like 1/4
of the more fertile region of China that supports >600 millions people
now. The tragedy of the Aral Sea is gruesome.

Quite impressive destruction of an inland Central Asian sea:
http://www.dfd.dlr.de/app/land/aralsee/chronology.html

Volume down by an order of magnitude in 2 or 3 generations.

The Yangtze diversification is too compelling to ignore or to put off.
The Yangtze Three Gorges project itself is amazing for the benefits it
will bring. Every decade it has three massive floods that kills
thousands and downs whole provinces downstream. The excess waters
from the Yangtze will be very profitably used for the Huangho. This
is a continental sized project with continental sized consequences
that cannot be predicted. One positive argument will be that its
unlikely for both the Yangtze and the Huangho drainage areas to suffer
drought in the same year.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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There's a sea in the east of the former USSR (name eludes me in the morning
rush) which is basically dry after decades of abuse (including dumping
nuclear waste, which heated the water and aided evaporation. The resulting
radioactive salt plains blow about in the winds).

Ken
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Scott Stephens
<scottxs@comcast.net> wrote (in <Dsn6c.34851$JL2.396956@attbi_s03>)
about 'Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.', on Thu, 18 Mar
2004:
you
think the peasants should shut up and eat cake.
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Well, no; these starving, oppressed peasants have an endemic obesity
problem, so cake is contra-indicated.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
Scott Stephens wrote:
KLM wrote:

Foreign students applying for admission to US master and PhD degrees
programs have dropped extensively, said a report released by the US
Congressional Budget Office wo weeks ago

...

I don't know what to make of this development yet. But something
significant is happening.


CIA extortion and spy recruitment? Perhaps foreign nations are getting
nervous about a CIA that has grown new fangs and talons?
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Somewhat unrealistic to assume spies to be only foreigners.

Rene
--
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net
 
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:fxGCaGJUIhWAFwag@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Scott Stephens
scottxs@comcast.net> wrote (in <Dsn6c.34851$JL2.396956@attbi_s03>)
about 'Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.', on Thu, 18 Mar
2004:
you
think the peasants should shut up and eat cake.

Well, no; these starving, oppressed peasants have an endemic obesity
problem, so cake is contra-indicated.
Click to expand...
Just to contribute to the drift....

The "starving peasants should just eat cake" comment that Marie
Antoinette got so much stick for, was in fact supposedly quite
reasonable. The revolting peasants were being so over a lack of
a particular type of flour used to make bread. There was no shortage
of the flour (would Americans spell that "flor"?) used to make cakes.

Regards
Ian
 
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:16:24 GMT, maxfoo
<maxfooHeadFromButt@punkass.com> wrote:

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:36:18 GMT, Scott Stephens <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote:

KLM wrote:

Foreign students applying for admission to US master and PhD degrees programs
have dropped extensively, said a report released by the US Congressional Budget Office
wo weeks ago
...
I don't know what to make of this development yet. But something
significant is happening.

CIA extortion and spy recruitment? Perhaps foreign nations are getting
nervous about a CIA that has grown new fangs and talons?

nope, foreign students have to pay an extra $65-per-semester fee so homeland
security can investigate them.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/03/21/foreign_students_protest_fee_at_umass/
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"Everyone's scared, but I'm willing to take it as far as I can," Liu
said. "I don't want to lose my student status, but [the fee] is an
insult, because it's so discriminatory."

Discriminatory? Just what RIGHTS does this Liu fellow think he has as
a FOREIGN national in OUR country.

Throw his ass out of the country if he doesn't pay.

Better yet, send him to Guantánamo for "education".

...Jim Thompson
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| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Throughout the history of this great country there have actually
been people of only two political persuasions: fighters and cowards.
WE MUST NOT LET THE LATTER PREVAIL IN THE NEXT ELECTION!
 
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message news:<et5460ddj1c8esrdirlmp4j8hj6tkg04vd@4ax.com>...

"Everyone's scared, but I'm willing to take it as far as I can," Liu
said. "I don't want to lose my student status, but [the fee] is an
insult, because it's so discriminatory."

Discriminatory? Just what RIGHTS does this Liu fellow think he has as
a FOREIGN national in OUR country.

Throw his ass out of the country if he doesn't pay.

Better yet, send him to Guantánamo for "education".

...Jim Thompson
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Have you considered a brain transplant?
JP
 
On 25 Mar 2004 08:34:59 -0800, panteltje@yahoo.com (Jan Panteltje)
wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message news:<et5460ddj1c8esrdirlmp4j8hj6tkg04vd@4ax.com>...

"Everyone's scared, but I'm willing to take it as far as I can," Liu
said. "I don't want to lose my student status, but [the fee] is an
insult, because it's so discriminatory."

Discriminatory? Just what RIGHTS does this Liu fellow think he has as
a FOREIGN national in OUR country.

Throw his ass out of the country if he doesn't pay.

Better yet, send him to Guantánamo for "education".

...Jim Thompson

Have you considered a brain transplant?
JP
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No, smart ass, I won't give my brain to you :)

Could you explain to me why non-citizens of the US feel that they are
entitled to the benefits of US citizenship?

When I'm in France, for example, they make it pretty clear that I'm
really not welcome there... why shouldn't we reciprocate ?:)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Throughout the history of this great country there have actually
been people of only two political persuasions: fighters and cowards.
WE MUST NOT LET THE LATTER PREVAIL IN THE NEXT ELECTION!
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <5m26609k2ocppiqjetjaa2s5uiiddn2rmi@
4ax.com>) about 'CIA Campus extortion and traitor recruiting (Re:
Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.)', on Thu, 25 Mar 2004:

When I'm in France, for example, they make it pretty clear that I'm
really not welcome there...
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Have they told you that it's nothing personal? (;-)

why shouldn't we reciprocate ?:)
Click to expand...
Do you really want to be like the French? I have a beret, a bicycle and
some onions for you. Also a concertina, if you PROMISE not to play it.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:05:25 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <5m26609k2ocppiqjetjaa2s5uiiddn2rmi@
4ax.com>) about 'CIA Campus extortion and traitor recruiting (Re:
Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.)', on Thu, 25 Mar 2004:

When I'm in France, for example, they make it pretty clear that I'm
really not welcome there...

Have they told you that it's nothing personal? (;-)
Click to expand...
They say nothing, just ignore you; or be surly while providing
"service".

why shouldn't we reciprocate ?:)

Do you really want to be like the French?
Click to expand...
Not a chance.

I have a beret, a bicycle and
some onions for you. Also a concertina, if you PROMISE not to play it.
Click to expand...
I can ride a bicycle and probably could play a concertina passably.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Throughout the history of this great country there have actually
been people of only two political persuasions: fighters and cowards.
WE MUST NOT LET THE LATTER PREVAIL IN THE NEXT ELECTION!
 
"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> schreef in bericht
news:5m26609k2ocppiqjetjaa2s5uiiddn2rmi@4ax.com...
On 25 Mar 2004 08:34:59 -0800, panteltje@yahoo.com (Jan Panteltje)
wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:<et5460ddj1c8esrdirlmp4j8hj6tkg04vd@4ax.com>...

"Everyone's scared, but I'm willing to take it as far as I can," Liu
said. "I don't want to lose my student status, but [the fee] is an
insult, because it's so discriminatory."

Discriminatory? Just what RIGHTS does this Liu fellow think he has as
a FOREIGN national in OUR country.

Throw his ass out of the country if he doesn't pay.

Better yet, send him to Guantánamo for "education".

...Jim Thompson

Have you considered a brain transplant?
JP

No, smart ass, I won't give my brain to you :)

Could you explain to me why non-citizens of the US feel that they are
entitled to the benefits of US citizenship?

When I'm in France, for example, they make it pretty clear that I'm
really not welcome there... why shouldn't we reciprocate ?:)
Click to expand...
Tell us again about the sewer you smelled after crossing the Rhine
entering France.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <8b5660tau88tdq26gnj8orpo50giar4me9@
4ax.com>) about 'CIA Campus extortion and traitor recruiting (Re:
Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.)', on Thu, 25 Mar 2004:

They say nothing, just ignore you;
Click to expand...
Parce-que vous ne parlez pas Français!

or be surly while providing
"service".
Click to expand...
I suggest you go elsewhere than to Paris and its surroundings. You are
likely to find that the people are more friendly.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:02:07 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <8b5660tau88tdq26gnj8orpo50giar4me9@
4ax.com>) about 'CIA Campus extortion and traitor recruiting (Re:
Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.)', on Thu, 25 Mar 2004:

They say nothing, just ignore you;

Parce-que vous ne parlez pas Français!
Click to expand...
Of course! But I can read French fairly well, like menus ;-)

or be surly while providing
"service".

I suggest you go elsewhere than to Paris and its surroundings. You are
likely to find that the people are more friendly.
Click to expand...
Strasbourg far enough from Paris ?:)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Throughout the history of this great country there have actually
been people of only two political persuasions: fighters and cowards.
WE MUST NOT LET THE LATTER PREVAIL IN THE NEXT ELECTION!
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <ta8660l28rk3mbdhep85ojvvrp08pr9hah@
4ax.com>) about 'CIA Campus extortion and traitor recruiting (Re:
Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.)', on Thu, 25 Mar 2004:

Strasbourg far enough from Paris ?:)
Click to expand...
Ah, well, that's a special place. Full of CommonMarketroids. Try towards
the south east.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:58:12 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <ta8660l28rk3mbdhep85ojvvrp08pr9hah@
4ax.com>) about 'CIA Campus extortion and traitor recruiting (Re:
Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.)', on Thu, 25 Mar 2004:

Strasbourg far enough from Paris ?:)

Ah, well, that's a special place. Full of CommonMarketroids. Try towards
the south east.
Click to expand...
What impressed me about Strasbourg (after spending some weeks in
southern Germany) was the filth and the smell of human sewage :-(

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Throughout the history of this great country there have actually
been people of only two political persuasions: fighters and cowards.
WE MUST NOT LET THE LATTER PREVAIL IN THE NEXT ELECTION!
 
"Jim Cracked Record Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> schreef in bericht
news:5se6609j5juah2snpighb7kub92c4qvkba@4ax.com...
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:58:12 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <ta8660l28rk3mbdhep85ojvvrp08pr9hah@
4ax.com>) about 'CIA Campus extortion and traitor recruiting (Re:
Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.)', on Thu, 25 Mar 2004:

Strasbourg far enough from Paris ?:)

Ah, well, that's a special place. Full of CommonMarketroids. Try towards
the south east.

What impressed me about Strasbourg (after spending some weeks in
southern Germany) was the filth and the smell of human sewage :-(
Click to expand...
Yeah, the smell of the sewer, when you passed the Rhine from
Germany.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)
 
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:58:12 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <ta8660l28rk3mbdhep85ojvvrp08pr9hah@
4ax.com>) about 'CIA Campus extortion and traitor recruiting (Re:
Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.)', on Thu, 25 Mar 2004:

Strasbourg far enough from Paris ?:)

Ah, well, that's a special place. Full of CommonMarketroids. Try towards
the south east.
Click to expand...
Saint Jean Cap Ferrat is nice. But it's not Paris.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> schreef in bericht
news:8rg6605lqo6ps50bfeht6dah1ip3bcrq99@4ax.com...
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:58:12 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <ta8660l28rk3mbdhep85ojvvrp08pr9hah@
4ax.com>) about 'CIA Campus extortion and traitor recruiting (Re:
Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.)', on Thu, 25 Mar 2004:

Strasbourg far enough from Paris ?:)

Ah, well, that's a special place. Full of CommonMarketroids. Try towards
the south east.

Saint Jean Cap Ferrat is nice. But it's not Paris.
Click to expand...
The entire Cote d'Azur is a paradise, in summertime ;)

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)
 
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:tRqOSFJf6xYAFwv7@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
8b5660tau88tdq26gnj8orpo50giar4me9@
4ax.com>) about 'CIA Campus extortion and traitor recruiting (Re:
Chinese Student' enrollments in US dropping.)', on Thu, 25 Mar 2004:

They say nothing, just ignore you;

Parce-que vous ne parlez pas Français!

or be surly while providing
"service".

I suggest you go elsewhere than to Paris and its surroundings. You
are
likely to find that the people are more friendly.
Click to expand...
Indeed, I have found the French away from Paris to be
more friendly, particularly if you make an effort to speak
their language.

However, that may not be French. I rented a gite in Brittany
once, polished up my schoolboy French, only to find when we
finally got there that the owner of the gite did not speak French,
just Breton!

Regards
Ian
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Ian Buckner
<Ian_Buckner@agilent.com> wrote (in <1080293968.714547@cswreg.cos.agilen
t.com>) about 'CIA Campus extortion and traitor recruiting (Re: Chinese
Student' enrollments in US dropping.)', on Fri, 26 Mar 2004:
I rented a gite in Brittany once,
polished up my schoolboy French, only to find when we finally got there
that the owner of the gite did not speak French, just Breton!
Click to expand...
He was pulling votre jambe/dy goes. The Bretons HAVE to learn French,
and indeed couldn't function without it. However, like some Welsh and
Irish people (and a few Cornish now), many Bretons prefer to use their
own language, and who are translators to disagree with that? (;-).
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
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