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On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 21:04:31 -0700, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:
The weather station is north of two runways, near the end of one. A
gentle breeze from the south will sweep up hot air from the southern
runway and all its feeders, the air conditioned terminal buildings,
the northern runway and its feeders, and the weather station gets all
that. A tiny patch of grass won\'t matter.
Jet wash can be warm too.
Of course Heathrow sets records.
On 7/29/22 20:50, corvid wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway. 100
years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the station
on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
The \'on the edge of a black asphalt runway\' Heathrow weather station
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11D83/production/_102719037_dbftg31x0aqjdjb.jpglarge.jpg
The weather station is north of two runways, near the end of one. A
gentle breeze from the south will sweep up hot air from the southern
runway and all its feeders, the air conditioned terminal buildings,
the northern runway and its feeders, and the weather station gets all
that. A tiny patch of grass won\'t matter.
Jet wash can be warm too.
Of course Heathrow sets records.
A
Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 9:07:27 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
I lived about about a mile north of there when I worked at EM Central Research (from 1976 to 1979), and it isn\'t any kind of \"tiny patch of grass\"., as you can see from the aerial photograph in the BBC piece.
It\'s not a heat island on its own - as the BBC piece points out, the temperatures there are much the same as Kew Gardens and the \"heat island\" is the whole Greater London area which sprawls for miles in all directions (with parks and sports fields all over the place).
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 21:04:31 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 20:50, corvid wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway. 100
years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the station
on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
The \'on the edge of a black asphalt runway\' Heathrow weather station
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11D83/production/_102719037_dbftg31x0aqjdjb.jpglarge.jpg
The weather station is north of two runways, near the end of one. A
gentle breeze from the south will sweep up hot air from the southern
runway and all its feeders, the air conditioned terminal buildings,
the northern runway and its feeders, and the weather station gets all
that. A tiny patch of grass won\'t matter.
Jet wash can be warm too.
Of course Heathrow sets records.
I lived about about a mile north of there when I worked at EM Central Research (from 1976 to 1979), and it isn\'t any kind of \"tiny patch of grass\"., as you can see from the aerial photograph in the BBC piece.
It\'s not a heat island on its own - as the BBC piece points out, the temperatures there are much the same as Kew Gardens and the \"heat island\" is the whole Greater London area which sprawls for miles in all directions (with parks and sports fields all over the place).
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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corvid
Guest
On 7/30/22 03:59, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
100 years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
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Guest
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:
Air can move that far.
Check Google Earth. It\'s on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
there\'s nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
bleak.
I wonder what those big green boxes are.
There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
England.
On 7/30/22 03:59, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
100 years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
Air can move that far.
Check Google Earth. It\'s on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
there\'s nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
bleak.
I wonder what those big green boxes are.
There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
England.
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it\'s anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
Here\'s the math model of the adjustment generally:
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
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dot- dot dot
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
100 years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
Air can move that far.
Check Google Earth. It\'s on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
there\'s nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
bleak.
I wonder what those big green boxes are.
There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
England.
Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it\'s anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
Here\'s the math model of the adjustment generally:
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
The raw data is adjusted.
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dot- dot dot
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Guest
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
100 years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
Air can move that far.
Check Google Earth. It\'s on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
there\'s nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
bleak.
I wonder what those big green boxes are.
There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
England.
Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it\'s anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
Here\'s the math model of the adjustment generally:
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
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dot- dot dot
It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Do you think that\'s because just maybe there is warming? And that\'s what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
100 years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
Air can move that far.
Check Google Earth. It\'s on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
there\'s nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
bleak.
I wonder what those big green boxes are.
There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
England.
Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it\'s anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
Here\'s the math model of the adjustment generally:
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
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\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
dot- dot dot
It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
Do you think that\'s because just maybe there is warming? And that\'s what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.
S
server
Guest
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA. A bit of
warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.
Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won\'t.
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
100 years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
Air can move that far.
Check Google Earth. It\'s on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
there\'s nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
bleak.
I wonder what those big green boxes are.
There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
England.
Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it\'s anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
Here\'s the math model of the adjustment generally:
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
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The raw data is adjusted.
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\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
dot- dot dot
It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
Do you think that\'s because just maybe there is warming? And that\'s what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.
Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA. A bit of
warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.
Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won\'t.
A
a a
Guest
On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 22:19:41 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
----CO2 is welcome
-CO2 is Plant Food
-Plants are Animal Food
-Animals are Human Food
---More CO2 more Human Food
-to end the global hunger
--https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com/eMVDUFoy/we-all-love-carbon-we-all-love-co2
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
100 years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
Air can move that far.
Check Google Earth. It\'s on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
there\'s nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
bleak.
I wonder what those big green boxes are.
There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
England.
Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it\'s anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
Here\'s the math model of the adjustment generally:
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
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\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
dot- dot dot
It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
Do you think that\'s because just maybe there is warming? And that\'s what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.
Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA. A bit of
warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.
Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won\'t.
==We all love Carbon, we all love CO2
----CO2 is welcome
-CO2 is Plant Food
-Plants are Animal Food
-Animals are Human Food
---More CO2 more Human Food
-to end the global hunger
--https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com/eMVDUFoy/we-all-love-carbon-we-all-love-co2
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whit3rd
Guest
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 1:19:41 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
The little ice age isn\'t the beginning of a 1 degree per century \'trend\'.
What mechanism based on the LIA could possibly CAUSE such a trend?
> Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won\'t.
Not credible; Europe is having lots of heat injuries and even deaths
<https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/heatwave-in-europe-here-are-the-worst-hit-countries-3179837>
and that doesn\'t fit the story of harmless warming.
John Larkin doesn\'t know any realistic good news about CO2, either.
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think that\'s because just maybe there is warming? And that\'s what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.
Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA. A bit of
warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.
The little ice age isn\'t the beginning of a 1 degree per century \'trend\'.
What mechanism based on the LIA could possibly CAUSE such a trend?
> Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won\'t.
Not credible; Europe is having lots of heat injuries and even deaths
<https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/heatwave-in-europe-here-are-the-worst-hit-countries-3179837>
and that doesn\'t fit the story of harmless warming.
John Larkin doesn\'t know any realistic good news about CO2, either.
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 4:19:41 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
What you\'re hearing about CO2 and crop yields is wrong:
\"Though rising CO2 can stimulate plant growth, it also reduces the nutritional value of most food crops. Rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide reduce the concentrations of protein and essential minerals in most plant species, including wheat, soybeans, and rice. This direct effect of rising CO2 on the nutritional value of crops represents a potential threat to human health. Human health is also threatened by increased pesticide use due to increased pest pressures and reductions in the efficacy of pesticides.\"
Nothing good comes out of excessive CO2.
https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/climate-impacts/climate-impacts-agriculture-and-food-supply_.html
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
100 years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
Air can move that far.
Check Google Earth. It\'s on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
there\'s nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
bleak.
I wonder what those big green boxes are.
There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
England.
Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it\'s anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
Here\'s the math model of the adjustment generally:
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
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dot- dot dot
It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
Do you think that\'s because just maybe there is warming? And that\'s what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.
Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA. A bit of
warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.
Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won\'t.
What you\'re hearing about CO2 and crop yields is wrong:
\"Though rising CO2 can stimulate plant growth, it also reduces the nutritional value of most food crops. Rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide reduce the concentrations of protein and essential minerals in most plant species, including wheat, soybeans, and rice. This direct effect of rising CO2 on the nutritional value of crops represents a potential threat to human health. Human health is also threatened by increased pesticide use due to increased pest pressures and reductions in the efficacy of pesticides.\"
Nothing good comes out of excessive CO2.
https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/climate-impacts/climate-impacts-agriculture-and-food-supply_.html
A
Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:51:06 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
John Larkin didn\'t look far enough. Heathrow is a bit south of the Grand Junction canal which still goes from Slough towards central London. The area started off as swamp, and got drained a few centuries ago. There are quite a few trees around and open spaces. The businesses that set up along the canal mostly closed down when the railways came in and the land reverted to grazing until London\'s urban sprawl moved out there. It\'s still not heavily built up.
> I wonder what those big green boxes are.
There aren\'t so much big, as close to the camera. There\'s a vent pipe coming out of the top of the nearest one, and a liquid crystal display visible on it\'s side. I\'d guess some kind of noxious gas monitoring - perhaps oxides of nitrogen, perhaps partially burnt hydrocarbons.
> There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in England.
It\'s on the edge of London, a large urban heat island, and quite a way inland, though nowhere in England is more than 70 miles from the sea.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
100 years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
Air can move that far.
Check Google Earth. It\'s on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
there\'s nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
bleak.
John Larkin didn\'t look far enough. Heathrow is a bit south of the Grand Junction canal which still goes from Slough towards central London. The area started off as swamp, and got drained a few centuries ago. There are quite a few trees around and open spaces. The businesses that set up along the canal mostly closed down when the railways came in and the land reverted to grazing until London\'s urban sprawl moved out there. It\'s still not heavily built up.
> I wonder what those big green boxes are.
There aren\'t so much big, as close to the camera. There\'s a vent pipe coming out of the top of the nearest one, and a liquid crystal display visible on it\'s side. I\'d guess some kind of noxious gas monitoring - perhaps oxides of nitrogen, perhaps partially burnt hydrocarbons.
> There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in England.
It\'s on the edge of London, a large urban heat island, and quite a way inland, though nowhere in England is more than 70 miles from the sea.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
C
corvid
Guest
On 7/30/22 09:50, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> Air can move that far.
Ask Gnatguy about it. He can ride thermals up over the hot spots, and
descend over the reservoirs and the grassy weather station. Air goes up
and down, It doesn\'t just drift 400 feet over to the thermometer.
Are you kidding?
I checked Google Maps satellite view, dated 2022. The place looks
parched now compared to the lush BBC Google pic.
> Air can move that far.
Ask Gnatguy about it. He can ride thermals up over the hot spots, and
descend over the reservoirs and the grassy weather station. Air goes up
and down, It doesn\'t just drift 400 feet over to the thermometer.
Check Google Earth. It\'s on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
there\'s nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight.
Looks bleak.
Are you kidding?
I checked Google Maps satellite view, dated 2022. The place looks
parched now compared to the lush BBC Google pic.
W
whit3rd
Guest
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:29:41 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
Excellent point; if the hypothesis is that heat buildup on asphalt wafts laterally to the
weather station, recall that hot air (PV=nRT is good enough; no need for VDW corrections)
is less dense that cooler air, so it would rise (create an updraft). That means surface-parallel winds
don\'t carry it to the not-so-tall weather station yonder, but rather that surface wind in the vicinity
will tend to be FROM the weather station toward the asphalt.
On the wee hours of winter mornings, though, if the asphalt radiates heat effectively at night, it\'d
generate COLD air, which will spread laterally to all sides, eventually mixing in to other surface air,
and you would expect some increase in cold temperatures records. That\'d be a downdraft site, it doesn\'t
remove thermal-extreme mass from ground level at any great rate.
On 7/30/22 09:50, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Air can move that far.
Ask Gnatguy about it. He can ride thermals up over the hot spots, and
descend over the reservoirs and the grassy weather station. Air goes up
and down, It doesn\'t just drift 400 feet over to the thermometer.
Excellent point; if the hypothesis is that heat buildup on asphalt wafts laterally to the
weather station, recall that hot air (PV=nRT is good enough; no need for VDW corrections)
is less dense that cooler air, so it would rise (create an updraft). That means surface-parallel winds
don\'t carry it to the not-so-tall weather station yonder, but rather that surface wind in the vicinity
will tend to be FROM the weather station toward the asphalt.
On the wee hours of winter mornings, though, if the asphalt radiates heat effectively at night, it\'d
generate COLD air, which will spread laterally to all sides, eventually mixing in to other surface air,
and you would expect some increase in cold temperatures records. That\'d be a downdraft site, it doesn\'t
remove thermal-extreme mass from ground level at any great rate.
A
a a
Guest
On Monday, 1 August 2022 at 05:18:51 UTC+2, whit3rd wrote:
the high tar content black asphalt in the past,
replaced today by grey asphalt, featuring top layer made of rolled fine gravel
what you claim may have worked forOn Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:29:41 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 7/30/22 09:50, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Air can move that far.
Ask Gnatguy about it. He can ride thermals up over the hot spots, and
descend over the reservoirs and the grassy weather station. Air goes up
and down, It doesn\'t just drift 400 feet over to the thermometer.
Excellent point; if the hypothesis is that heat buildup on asphalt wafts laterally to the
weather station, recall that hot air (PV=nRT is good enough; no need for VDW corrections)
is less dense that cooler air, so it would rise (create an updraft). That means surface-parallel winds
don\'t carry it to the not-so-tall weather station yonder, but rather that surface wind in the vicinity
will tend to be FROM the weather station toward the asphalt.
On the wee hours of winter mornings, though, if the asphalt radiates heat effectively at night, it\'d
generate COLD air, which will spread laterally to all sides, eventually mixing in to other surface air,
and you would expect some increase in cold temperatures records. That\'d be a downdraft site, it doesn\'t
remove thermal-extreme mass from ground level at any great rate.
the high tar content black asphalt in the past,
replaced today by grey asphalt, featuring top layer made of rolled fine gravel
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 17:19:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
That\'s theory. This is reality:
https://extension.entm.purdue.edu/newsletters/pestandcrop/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/fig1.jpeg
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 4:19:41 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
100 years ago, Truckee didn\'t have airports or runways.
How about grass though?
The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
They\'re put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
Your \"at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
runway\" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
Air can move that far.
Check Google Earth. It\'s on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
there\'s nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
bleak.
I wonder what those big green boxes are.
There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
England.
Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it\'s anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
Here\'s the math model of the adjustment generally:
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
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\\The raw data is adjusted.
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The raw data is adjusted.
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\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
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\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
\\The raw data is adjusted.
The raw data is adjusted.
dot- dot dot
It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
Do you think that\'s because just maybe there is warming? And that\'s what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.
Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA. A bit of
warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.
Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won\'t.
What you\'re hearing about CO2 and crop yields is wrong:
\"Though rising CO2 can stimulate plant growth, it also reduces the nutritional value of most food crops. Rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide reduce the concentrations of protein and essential minerals in most plant species, including wheat, soybeans, and rice. This direct effect of rising CO2 on the nutritional value of crops represents a potential threat to human health. Human health is also threatened by increased pesticide use due to increased pest pressures and reductions in the efficacy of pesticides.\"
Nothing good comes out of excessive CO2.
https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/climate-impacts/climate-impacts-agriculture-and-food-supply_.html
That\'s theory. This is reality:
https://extension.entm.purdue.edu/newsletters/pestandcrop/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/fig1.jpeg
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:18:48 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:
OK, urban heat island effect cools cities. And the Heathrow weather
station never sets high temp records because the runways and buildings
cool the weather station.
Thanks for explaining that.
wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:29:41 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 7/30/22 09:50, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Air can move that far.
Ask Gnatguy about it. He can ride thermals up over the hot spots, and
descend over the reservoirs and the grassy weather station. Air goes up
and down, It doesn\'t just drift 400 feet over to the thermometer.
Excellent point; if the hypothesis is that heat buildup on asphalt wafts laterally to the
weather station, recall that hot air (PV=nRT is good enough; no need for VDW corrections)
is less dense that cooler air, so it would rise (create an updraft). That means surface-parallel winds
don\'t carry it to the not-so-tall weather station yonder, but rather that surface wind in the vicinity
will tend to be FROM the weather station toward the asphalt.
On the wee hours of winter mornings, though, if the asphalt radiates heat effectively at night, it\'d
generate COLD air, which will spread laterally to all sides, eventually mixing in to other surface air,
and you would expect some increase in cold temperatures records. That\'d be a downdraft site, it doesn\'t
remove thermal-extreme mass from ground level at any great rate.
OK, urban heat island effect cools cities. And the Heathrow weather
station never sets high temp records because the runways and buildings
cool the weather station.
Thanks for explaining that.
C
corvid
Guest
On 8/1/22 12:20, John Larkin wrote:
This has pictures for you.
https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/weather/how-thermals-work/
On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:18:48 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:29:41 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 7/30/22 09:50, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Air can move that far.
Ask Gnatguy about it. He can ride thermals up over the hot spots,
and descend over the reservoirs and the grassy weather station.
Air goes up and down, It doesn\'t just drift 400 feet over to the
thermometer.
Excellent point; if the hypothesis is that heat buildup on asphalt
wafts laterally to the weather station, recall that hot air (PV=nRT
is good enough; no need for VDW corrections) is less dense that
cooler air, so it would rise (create an updraft). That means
surface-parallel winds don\'t carry it to the not-so-tall weather
station yonder, but rather that surface wind in the vicinity will
tend to be FROM the weather station toward the asphalt.
On the wee hours of winter mornings, though, if the asphalt
radiates heat effectively at night, it\'d generate COLD air, which
will spread laterally to all sides, eventually mixing in to other
surface air, and you would expect some increase in cold
temperatures records. That\'d be a downdraft site, it doesn\'t
remove thermal-extreme mass from ground level at any great rate.
OK, urban heat island effect cools cities. And the Heathrow weather
station never sets high temp records because the runways and
buildings cool the weather station.
Thanks for explaining that.
This has pictures for you.
https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/weather/how-thermals-work/
A
Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 5:15:44 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
<snip>
> >> >> It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
Newspaper reporters can undestand data, abnd John Larkin can\'t (or doesn\'t want to).
The little ice age was essentially local cooling, around the North Atlantic ocean, not global - and it had gone away long before the current warming got under way.
> >> Warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.
Or so your lying climate change denial propaganda tells you
> >> Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won\'t.
It has started killing people already. Not as many as cold snaps, so far, but there\'s more warming in the pipeline.
That was reality. It\'s mainly about more fertiliser and higher-yielding variants. Get the local climate too warm, and the yields drop. Throw in a drought, and they go through the floor. Australia\'s wheat yield has been erratic in recent years. Droughts wreck it, Flooding rains can can render it unharvestable. We\'ve had both.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 17:19:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 4:19:41 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in England.
Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it\'s anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
Here\'s the math model of the adjustment generally:
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
<snip>
> >> >> It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
Newspaper reporters can undestand data, abnd John Larkin can\'t (or doesn\'t want to).
Do you think that\'s because just maybe there is warming? And that\'s what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.
Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA.
The little ice age was essentially local cooling, around the North Atlantic ocean, not global - and it had gone away long before the current warming got under way.
> >> Warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.
Or so your lying climate change denial propaganda tells you
> >> Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won\'t.
It has started killing people already. Not as many as cold snaps, so far, but there\'s more warming in the pipeline.
What you\'re hearing about CO2 and crop yields is wrong:
\"Though rising CO2 can stimulate plant growth, it also reduces the nutritional value of most food crops. Rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide reduce the concentrations of protein and essential minerals in most plant species, including wheat, soybeans, and rice. This direct effect of rising CO2 on the nutritional value of crops represents a potential threat to human health. Human health is also threatened by increased pesticide use due to increased pest pressures and reductions in the efficacy of pesticides.\"
Nothing good comes out of excessive CO2.
https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/climate-impacts/climate-impacts-agriculture-and-food-supply_.html
That\'s theory. This is reality:
https://extension.entm.purdue.edu/newsletters/pestandcrop/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/fig1.jpeg
That was reality. It\'s mainly about more fertiliser and higher-yielding variants. Get the local climate too warm, and the yields drop. Throw in a drought, and they go through the floor. Australia\'s wheat yield has been erratic in recent years. Droughts wreck it, Flooding rains can can render it unharvestable. We\'ve had both.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney