Cheap Rigol Oscilloscope from Ebay

On May 25, 1:36 am, Geoff Steer <st...@turkeys.net.au> wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 10:17:37 +1000, dmm wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2009 16:15:09 GMT, Geoff Steer <st...@turkeys.net.au
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:44:23 +1000, David L. Jones wrote:

"David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:wjnul.117093$2h5.36609@newsfe11.iad...
I saw the new Rigol DS1052E is going for $679 on Ebay Australia,
*including postage* from China.
2CH, 50MHz, colour, 1GS/s, 1M sample memory, USB host. Couldn't
resist at that price and had to get one, and it just turned up on my
desk this afternoon (tracking provided). Ordered Mar 4th, and there
were a few days delay because he didn't have them in stock yet.

First impressions - very nice indeed, and performance seems much
improved from a previous Rigol I've used. External build quality
appears to be excellent, feels nice'n'reliable. Was brand new in the
orignal box with paperwork and 2 switchable probes. No manual, just a
quick start quite in Chinese. Waranty certificate included but not
sure if that's applicable in Oz.

So if you are in the market for such a scope, it seems like very good
value indeed at the moment.

Dave.

It's now ever cheaper:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Rigol-DS-1052E-50-MHz-2-Channel-Digital-
Oscilloscope_W0QQitemZ350185540997QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Oscilloscopes?
hash=item350185540997&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%
7C39%
3A1%7C240%3A1318

$640 auction price, $662 Buy-it-Now
That *includes* tracking postage.

Insanely low price.

Dave.

And getting crazier!
Just bought one for $US445 ($A570). Still with free shipping. Bit of a
communication issue in getting him to send me an invoice on paypal but
all sorted out.
Now for a cheap logic analyser...

Regards
Geoff

Sorry to rain on your parade, but this one is even cheaper at US$364,
which is about AU$465. Plus shipping of US$55.
http://cgi.ebay.com/RIGOL-DS1052E-Digital-Oscilloscope-50MHz-DS-1052E-

DSO_W0QQitemZ320355416009QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Oscilloscopes?
hash=item4a96abb7c9&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116



dmm

What are Atten instruments like for quality? The above mentioned eBay
seller has 100Mhz Atten oscilloscopes for less that the Rigol 1052E.

Regards
Geoff
Click to expand...
except for some differences to the control arrangement, they look much
like the Rigol.
 
Geoff Steer wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 10:17:37 +1000, dmm wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2009 16:15:09 GMT, Geoff Steer <steer@turkeys.net.au
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:44:23 +1000, David L. Jones wrote:

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:wjnul.117093$2h5.36609@newsfe11.iad...
I saw the new Rigol DS1052E is going for $679 on Ebay Australia,
*including postage* from China.
2CH, 50MHz, colour, 1GS/s, 1M sample memory, USB host. Couldn't
resist at that price and had to get one, and it just turned up on
my desk this afternoon (tracking provided). Ordered Mar 4th, and
there were a few days delay because he didn't have them in stock
yet.

First impressions - very nice indeed, and performance seems much
improved from a previous Rigol I've used. External build quality
appears to be excellent, feels nice'n'reliable. Was brand new in
the orignal box with paperwork and 2 switchable probes. No
manual, just a quick start quite in Chinese. Waranty certificate
included but not sure if that's applicable in Oz.

So if you are in the market for such a scope, it seems like very
good value indeed at the moment.

Dave.

It's now ever cheaper:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Rigol-DS-1052E-50-MHz-2-Channel-Digital-
Oscilloscope_W0QQitemZ350185540997QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Oscilloscopes?
hash=item350185540997&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%
7C39% 3A1%7C240%3A1318

$640 auction price, $662 Buy-it-Now
That *includes* tracking postage.

Insanely low price.

Dave.

And getting crazier!
Just bought one for $US445 ($A570). Still with free shipping. Bit
of a communication issue in getting him to send me an invoice on
paypal but all sorted out.
Now for a cheap logic analyser...

Regards
Geoff

Sorry to rain on your parade, but this one is even cheaper at US$364,
which is about AU$465. Plus shipping of US$55.
http://cgi.ebay.com/RIGOL-DS1052E-Digital-Oscilloscope-50MHz-DS-1052E-
DSO_W0QQitemZ320355416009QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Oscilloscopes?
hash=item4a96abb7c9&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

dmm

What are Atten instruments like for quality? The above mentioned eBay
seller has 100Mhz Atten oscilloscopes for less that the Rigol 1052E.
Click to expand...
Only 500MS/s and doesn't say what memory depth.
Also, it's not listed as current model according to the ATTEN website.

Dave.

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On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:32:11 GMT, Geoff Steer <steer@turkeys.net.au> wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 10:17:37 +1000, dmm wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2009 16:15:09 GMT, Geoff Steer <steer@turkeys.net.au
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:44:23 +1000, David L. Jones wrote:

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:wjnul.117093$2h5.36609@newsfe11.iad...
I saw the new Rigol DS1052E is going for $679 on Ebay Australia,
*including postage* from China.
2CH, 50MHz, colour, 1GS/s, 1M sample memory, USB host. Couldn't
resist at that price and had to get one, and it just turned up on my
desk this afternoon (tracking provided). Ordered Mar 4th, and there
were a few days delay because he didn't have them in stock yet.

First impressions - very nice indeed, and performance seems much
improved from a previous Rigol I've used. External build quality
appears to be excellent, feels nice'n'reliable. Was brand new in the
orignal box with paperwork and 2 switchable probes. No manual, just a
quick start quite in Chinese. Waranty certificate included but not
sure if that's applicable in Oz.

So if you are in the market for such a scope, it seems like very good
value indeed at the moment.

Dave.

It's now ever cheaper:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Rigol-DS-1052E-50-MHz-2-Channel-Digital-
Oscilloscope_W0QQitemZ350185540997QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Oscilloscopes?
hash=item350185540997&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%
7C39%
3A1%7C240%3A1318

$640 auction price, $662 Buy-it-Now
That *includes* tracking postage.

Insanely low price.

Dave.

And getting crazier!
Just bought one for $US445 ($A570). Still with free shipping. Bit of a
communication issue in getting him to send me an invoice on paypal but
all sorted out.
Now for a cheap logic analyser...

Regards
Geoff

Sorry to rain on your parade, but this one is even cheaper at US$364,
which is about AU$465. Plus shipping of US$55.
http://cgi.ebay.com/RIGOL-DS1052E-Digital-Oscilloscope-50MHz-DS-1052E-
DSO_W0QQitemZ320355416009QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Oscilloscopes?
hash=item4a96abb7c9&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

dmm

That always happens!
I'm sure that if I wait a few more weeks, someone will be selling it even
cheaper.
Still that eBay seller mib_instruments looks to have some other
interesting toys...
Click to expand...
mib_instruments are advertising that Rigol variant for several prices on ebay.

dmm.
 
What are Atten instruments like for quality? The above mentioned eBay
seller has 100Mhz Atten oscilloscopes for less that the Rigol 1052E.
Click to expand...

LeCroy's cheapest scope series, the WaveAce series are just rebadged
Atten ADS1000 series.
Compare pictures of LeCroy WaveAce and Atten ADS1000 and you will see
they are identical, except WaveAce has a black front and ADS1000 has a
white front + the LeCroy scopes have had the ATTEN logo in the upper
left corner of the LCD screen removed from their firmware. Other than
this the screens look identical.
Atten only sell the cheapest 25MHz | 500MSa/s to 100MHZ | 1GSa/s.
The most expensive DSO's in the series are reserved for LeCroy who
sell them from 2 channel 60MHz | 500 MS/s (interleaved), 250 MS/s
(all channels) to 300 MHz | 2 GS/s (interleaved), 1 GS/s (all
channels) .

Please not Atten sell two memory depth variants of the ADS1000 series:
Memory depth of ADS1000 is 4 kpts and that of ADS1000M is 2 Mpts.

The Lecroy WaveAce models has 9 kpts/Ch (18 kpts interleaved). This
still put it well ahead of the rather outdated Tek low budget scopes.

Atten ADS1000: http://www.lecroy.com/tm/products/scopes/WaveAce
LeCroy WaveAce: http://www.atten.com.cn/english/products/rf_microwave/ADS1000.htm

Hi-res pictures:
Atten ADS1000: http://www.atten.com.cn/english/products/prod_images/ADS1000_big.jpg
LeCroy WaveAce: http://www.aresagante.pt/uploads/imagens/ctg_p/LeCroy_WaveAce_left_m_SMALL.jpg


Just like Atten makes the cheapest scopes for LeCroy, Rigol makes the
cheapest scopes for Agilent as mentioned by others earlier.

Both Agilent and GW Instek has just introduced a new entry level DSO
series within the last couple of months.

GW Instek GDS-1000A (60-150 MHz | 1 Gs/s | 2Mpts):
http://www.goodwill.com.tw/html/en/NewsListDetal-e.asp?sn=188
(Probably going to replace the old GDS-1000 series (25-100 MHz | 250
Ms/s | 4 kpts).

Agilent DSO1000 series http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/product.jspx?nid=-34250.0.00&cc=US&lc=eng

To me the Rigol DS1000E series eBay offers still looks like the best
deal among basic scopes. This is also one of the only budget scopes
offered as MSO with logic analyzer. But the DS1000D series with built-
in logic analyzer add a lot to the price.
There's also a very big price difference between the 50 MHz version
(DS1052E/D and DS1102E/D). You can alsmost buy two DS1052E at the
price of one DS1102E. So if you don't need 100MH now and first think
you will need it in 5 years, it's probably best to just buy the 50 MHz
version. Then you can sell it again when you need something faster,
and at that time faster DSOs will be cheaper and better anyway.


I don't think GW Insetek GDS1000A has really hit the market yet, so
don't know what they are going to cost at eBay and eleswhere.

Currently Atten ADS1000M series looks like the best alternative to
Rigol. I would not buy the ADS1000 4 kpts version, only the ADS100M
2Mpts version.

Tektronix only has 2.5kpts, but it too little, the reason it isn't
bigger is because Tektronix as the only manufacturer use a analog CCD
(charge-coupled device) memory to store the measurements before
sampling them with a slow ADC. It's similar to the way CCD cameras
works (all digital cameras), they also store the image in analog CCD
memory before the A/D conversion.
The analog CCD memory on the budget Tektronix DSOs also has noise
issues that several users have complained about. If you turn the knob
to the lowest V/div you can often see a lot of noise on budget
Tektronix DSOs even with the input grounded, up to ˝ division I have
read. Textronix was the first in the market to introduce a physcial
small cheap benchtop DSO several years ago, but all the competitors
have catched up and overtaken Tektronix both on price and technology
it seems.
Other manufactures use fast Flash ADCs for real time sampling so they
don't need the analog CCD memory Tektronix use with their slow ADCs.
When you only use one of the two channels on these DSOs, they use the
ADCs of both channels for interleaved sampling of one channel. this
way they double the sample rate of one channel comapred to when you
use both channels at the same time.


Funny how almost all oscilloscope brands except LeCroy name their
cheapest DSO series something with 1000:
Tektronix TDS1000B/2000B series
Rigol DS1000x series
Agilent DSO1000 series
GW Insetek GDS1000A series
Atten ADS1000 series
LeCroy WaveAce series
 
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