Cheap Chinese rubbish...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 02:49:29 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 01/05/2021 12:16 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 02:32:41 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 01/04/2021 11:41 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
The Russian FED 4 camera was extremely robust, even after me, and my dad
before me, dropped it many many times on rocks.

Russians make robust items even if they\'re not the latest technology.
Kalashnikovs, for example.

I think you could destroy another car if you crashed a Lada into it.
All this crumple zone namby pamby shit they put into cars nowadays, it
just makes the repair bill higher.

Shitty mileage but a BTR-80 would make a great RV.

Indeed, you don\'t need to find a road to where you\'re camping. You make the road. Then Americans would finally be correct when they said \"make a right\".

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 22:28:05 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
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An LED striplight. After 1 month, BANG! A puff of smoke and a hole blown in the side of it. What I think used to be an inductor has exploded with enough force to rupture the casing. Funny thing is, it continued to work for a day, and now works if I tap it.

https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

** That brown goop all over the place has gone bad.

Light yellow when new, it slowly goes brown with heat and turns a conductive.

Can easily cause explosions just like you have.

You can Google the topic.


.... Phil

I guess they\'ve never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....

 

[Phil Allison]

Commander Kinsey wrote:
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https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

** That brown goop all over the place has gone bad.

Light yellow when new, it slowly goes brown with heat and turns a conductive.

Can easily cause explosions just like you have.

You can Google the topic.


I guess they\'ve never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....

** There is no consumer warranty on items YOU import from China.

Importers, businesses or individuals, take all risks onto themselves and are responsible for any harm too.

People reselling unsafe Chinese electrical items have got in big trouble here in Australia.


....... Phil

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 19:42:50 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
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https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

** That brown goop all over the place has gone bad.

Light yellow when new, it slowly goes brown with heat and turns a conductive.

Can easily cause explosions just like you have.

You can Google the topic.

I guess they\'ve never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....

** There is no consumer warranty on items YOU import from China.

I didn\'t import it. They exported it.

I would say I\'d imported something if I arranged for it to get here, eg. going to America, buying a car, then shipping it back.

> Importers, businesses or individuals, take all risks onto themselves and are responsible for any harm too.

China has it\'s own selling regulations they have to adhere to. And credit card chargebacks work on foreign stuff too. At the very least I shall ensure he gets a black mark on his ebay account.

> People reselling unsafe Chinese electrical items have got in big trouble here in Australia.

They shouldn\'t have done, they didn\'t manufacture them. At the most they should have had to refund, then take it up with the Chinese seller.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 18:57:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 01/02/2021 10:32 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Their Li Ion batteries are 8 times less capacity than advertised, but
you moan and get them free.

In a thread in another group Baofeng radios came up for discussion.
There was one listed on eBay with a miraculous 18W output and a 8000 mAh
battery. People on the ham forums were of the opinion a small, handheld
transceiver might put out 18W of RF power for a few seconds

> before the melting plastic became annoying

This just made me snort my lemonade through my nose.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 19:42:50 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
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https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

** That brown goop all over the place has gone bad.

Light yellow when new, it slowly goes brown with heat and turns a conductive.

Can easily cause explosions just like you have.

You can Google the topic.

I guess they\'ve never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....

** There is no consumer warranty on items YOU import from China.

Actually, they shipped from the UK, and advertised it as a UK item. Just because the owner of the company lives in China doesn\'t make a difference. This was a UK to UK sale.

 

[Phil Allison]

Commander Kinsey wrote:
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I guess they\'ve never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....

** There is no consumer warranty on items YOU import from China.
Actually, they shipped from the UK, and advertised it as a UK item. Just because the owner of the company lives in China doesn\'t make a difference. This was a UK to UK sale.

** So you can find the seller- right ?

The UK has strong consumer laws - why not use them ?


..... Phil

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 08 Jan 2021 23:43:51 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
=====================>> >> I guess they\'ve never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....

** There is no consumer warranty on items YOU import from China.
Actually, they shipped from the UK, and advertised it as a UK item. Just because the owner of the company lives in China doesn\'t make a difference. This was a UK to UK sale.

** So you can find the seller- right ?

Ebay has his registered address, and it\'s visible to me.

> The UK has strong consumer laws - why not use them ?

For £3.25? Not worth my bother taking someone to court over.

 

[Phil Allison]

Commander Kinsey wrote:
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** So you can find the seller- right ?
Ebay has his registered address, and it\'s visible to me.
The UK has strong consumer laws - why not use them ?
For £3.25? Not worth my bother taking someone to court over.

** Have you left negative feedback yet ?

..... Phil

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 21:45:46 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
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** So you can find the seller- right ?
Ebay has his registered address, and it\'s visible to me.
The UK has strong consumer laws - why not use them ?
For £3.25? Not worth my bother taking someone to court over.

** Have you left negative feedback yet ?

You can\'t leave feedback if it\'s over a couple of months, which is why the feedback system sux. It doesn\'t take account of things breaking later on.

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <op.0w0nhmufwdg98l@ryzen.lan>, CFKinsey@military.org.jp
says...

** So you can find the seller- right ?
Ebay has his registered address, and it\'s visible to me.
The UK has strong consumer laws - why not use them ?
For £3.25? Not worth my bother taking someone to court over.

** Have you left negative feedback yet ?

You can\'t leave feedback if it\'s over a couple of months, which is why the feedback system sux. It doesn\'t take account of things breaking later on.

I look on the feed back as to the seller. If they ship an item out in a
few days, the item is as described, and it is packed well enough not to
break in transit I give them good feed back. That is even if what I
bought is junk.

Say the dealer ships out an item and it is well packed and is bought as
new. The item arives in a short period of time and in good shape.
I then take the item out and after a day or two it falls apart. The
same item would have done it if I bought it at a local store. The
dealer still gets a 5 star rating. There is often a place to evaluate
the product and that is where I would rated the product as bad.

I have only give one or two dealers a bad feed back. One was when it
was not shipped for over 2 weeks after the exected delivery date. I
sent the seller a note about it. He sent it out two days later. It was
a radio with tubes in it. The box only had a few pages of news paper
and some crumbled up Christmas paper in it. Several of the tubes were
broken. I had to give very bad feed back because of that packing and
long delay.

I bought a used computer that was listed as refurbished. It looked
good,but would not boot up. I put in a hard drive I had and it booted
up. I tried to reinstall the operating system but it would not take.
Sent the seller an email and he sent me a new hard drive as we
discussed. I gave him a 5 star rating as he made the purchase right.
Things electronic can go bad at any time or get bashed around in the
shipping that is beyond the sellers control.

I have bought items from 2 seperate dealers and never received the
items. They were in the $ 20 range. Ebay refunded my money in 2 days
as neither had included a tracking number.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 2:16:28 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article <i5btld...@mid.individual.net>, bow...@montana.com
says...
What makes you say they\'re doing that?
I have never thrown away so much chinese junk....never did that with jap
stuff....

Didn\'t grow up in the \'50s, did you? The Chinese can and do make high
quality products as well as cheap junk.


I think Japan started putting out quality products to ship to the US
when they ran out of all the American beer cans the GIs left over there
from WW-2.

I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late \'50s? (1858?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I rember Pepsi in steel cans in the early \'60s.

 

[Phil Allison]

Ralph Mowery wrote:
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Didn\'t grow up in the \'50s, did you? The Chinese can and do make high
quality products as well as cheap junk.

I think Japan started putting out quality products to ship to the US
when they ran out of all the American beer cans the GIs left over there
from WW-2.

** There were no beer drinking GIs in Japan during WW2.

Only starving prisoners ( mostly airman) who were treated abominably.
Some were subjected to horrific operations with no anesthetics - just for fun.

After the surrender, US occupying forces were ordered to treat Japanese well and never eat their scarce food.
Local officials, like town mayors, were reinstated and treated with respect.

Losing the war to US and their British and Australian allies was the best thing that ever happened to Japan.




...... Phil

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 2:16:28 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <i5btld...@mid.individual.net>, bow...@montana.com
says...
What makes you say they\'re doing that?
I have never thrown away so much chinese junk....never did that with jap
stuff....

Didn\'t grow up in the \'50s, did you? The Chinese can and do make high
quality products as well as cheap junk.


I think Japan started putting out quality products to ship to the US
when they ran out of all the American beer cans the GIs left over there
from WW-2.

I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late \'50s? (1858?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I rember Pepsi in steel cans in the early \'60s.

They\'re still made of either aren\'t they?

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 1:52:29 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late \'50s? (1958?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I remember Pepsi in steel cans in the early \'60s.
They\'re still made of either aren\'t they?

When was the last time that you saw a new, steel beer can?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 30 May 2021 17:45:11 +0100, Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 1:52:29 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late \'50s? (1958?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I remember Pepsi in steel cans in the early \'60s.
They\'re still made of either aren\'t they?

When was the last time that you saw a new, steel beer can?

No idea, I brew my own. And the only commercial beer I\'ve seen is in glass bottles or on draught.

Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup, and spaghetti, all steel. I\'m guessing it\'s because aluminium is poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <op.037tlc0amvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, CK1@nospam.com says...

Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup, and spaghetti, all steel. I\'m guessing it\'s because aluminium is poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

My thinking is that steel is less expensive than aluminum. I also
think that some things may attack the aluminum and steel differently.

One thing you will notice is there are very few beer or any other
carbonated drinks outside of the soft drinks that are in the plastic
containers. Reason it that the plastic is the crbonation will penetrate
the containers and the beer will go \'flat\'. Look at all the soft drink
2 and 3 liter bottles on the store shelvs and you will see that some
seem to have more in than others. The ones that seem to have the lesser
ammount in them are the fresher ones. Reason is the carbonation pushes
the sides out and the level appears to drop. As the carbonation goes
out the sides come back in and pushes the level up.

 

[Andy Burns]

Ralph Mowery wrote:

CK1@nospam.com wrote:

Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup,
and spaghetti, all steel. I\'m guessing it\'s because aluminium is
poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

My thinking is that steel is less expensive than aluminum. I also
think that some things may attack the aluminum and steel differently.

Aluminium drinks cans have a thin plastic lining, so the contents don\'t
touch the aluminium.

<https://youtu.be/xBQEnVR7y9k>

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 1:01:56 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 30 May 2021 17:45:11 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 1:52:29 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late \'50s? (1958?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I remember Pepsi in steel cans in the early \'60s.
They\'re still made of either aren\'t they?

When was the last time that you saw a new, steel beer can?
No idea, I brew my own. And the only commercial beer I\'ve seen is in glass bottles or on draught.

Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup, and spaghetti, all steel. I\'m guessing it\'s because aluminium is poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

Steel is a lot stronger than aluminum. OTOH, it cost more to ship. Aluminum and steel cans both have an internal coating to prevent corrosion. Tomatoes would quickly eat through an unlined steel can. That is why they have a thin, tin plating. Hence their name of \'Tin Cans\'.
When I was stationed at Ft. Greely, Alaska in the \'70s, the aluminum soda cans were so thin that you could rip them apart with your bare hands. They tore like a sheet of paper. They weighed about 1/3 of a regular soda can. This was done, since they were canned in Seattle, and trucked into Alaska. The semis could only use short trailers, so shipping costs were high.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 31 May 2021 07:24:00 +0100, Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 1:01:56 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 30 May 2021 17:45:11 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 1:52:29 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late \'50s? (1958?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I remember Pepsi in steel cans in the early \'60s.
They\'re still made of either aren\'t they?

When was the last time that you saw a new, steel beer can?
No idea, I brew my own. And the only commercial beer I\'ve seen is in glass bottles or on draught.

Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup, and spaghetti, all steel. I\'m guessing it\'s because aluminium is poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

Steel is a lot stronger than aluminum.

Another reason I have a steel scuba tank, I can get 50% more air pressure in it for a 50% longer dive. Plus they weigh more, so have neutral buoyancy. Aluminium divers need to carry weights, and some of them are stupid enough to buy \"rocks\" instead of just using natural rocks which you can drop anywhere underwater at no cost.

> OTOH, it cost more to ship.

Compared to the weight of the contents, I doubt it\'s much.

> Aluminum and steel cans both have an internal coating to prevent corrosion. Tomatoes would quickly eat through an unlined steel can. That is why they have a thin, tin plating. Hence their name of \'Tin Cans\'.

But if that fails, by say denting the can, you get rust from one and aluminium oxide from the other. The second one is poisonous.