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He's a hypocritical asshole, isn't he?krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:8fm0s75qqp823td97rh5silu33ahnr2ioc@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v)
from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended
for it
is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need
it
yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance
charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue
moon
when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and care.
The
only differences are mechanical.
JF's never one to let the facts get in the way of having a snipe at me.
Wait a minute here. On one hand is a deep cycle battery, on theOn Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v) from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended for it
is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need it
yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue moon
when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and care. The
only differences are mechanical.
Those differences are because of physical geometry. Neither will like to bekrw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v) from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended for it
is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need it
yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue moon
when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and care. The
only differences are mechanical.
Wait a minute here. On one hand is a deep cycle battery, on the
other hand is a regular battery. They are not designed to be used
the same way. You may be able to charge them identically, but the
deep cycle is intended to provide a lower current over a longer time
than the regular battery, which is designed to provide huge starting
current for a short time. Equating a deep cycle with a regular
battery _is_ ludicrous. They may both use lead-acid chemistry,
but their capabilities differ considerably.
Either will do the job of the other, though not optimally and they can beWhether Ian is claiming that a motorcycle battery is a deep cycle
battery is not clear, but it seems so, thus the issue about equating.
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v)
from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended
for it is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need
it yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance
charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue
moon when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of
the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and
care. The
only differences are mechanical.
Wait a minute here. On one hand is a deep cycle battery, on the
other hand is a regular battery. They are not designed to be used
the same way. You may be able to charge them identically, but the
deep cycle is intended to provide a lower current over a longer time
than the regular battery, which is designed to provide huge starting
current for a short time. Equating a deep cycle with a regular
battery _is_ ludicrous. They may both use lead-acid chemistry,
but their capabilities differ considerably.
Whether Ian is claiming that a motorcycle battery is a deep cycle
battery is not clear, but it seems so, thus the issue about equating.
---On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v) from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended for it
is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need it
yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue moon
when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and care. The
only differences are mechanical.
More absolutely irrelevant crap thrown in, just to make you look "smart".On Sat, 26 May 2012 00:21:02 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v) from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended for it
is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need it
yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue moon
when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and care. The
only differences are mechanical.
---
Well, in some batteries there _is_ the addition of antimony to the
plates, which raises their resistance, and a change in the formulation
of the paste, so the differences aren't _just_ mechanical.
As I've already pointed out, this difference is caused by the *GEOMETRY* ofIn addition, for C to be realized, the output current for deep cycle
batteries is, I believe, lower than that allowed for starter
batteries, as is the initial charging current.
Wrong.Therefore, not only are their discharge characteristics disparate,
their charging needs and care are, also.
You are. Find your own.I could be mistaken, of course, so if you'd care to post some links
which would lead to my edification, I'd be grateful.
He wants you to do his research for him so he can look clever trotting itOn Sat, 26 May 2012 16:36:31 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 00:21:02 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v)
from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended
for it
is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need
it
yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance
charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue
moon
when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of
the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and
care. The
only differences are mechanical.
---
Well, in some batteries there _is_ the addition of antimony to the
plates, which raises their resistance, and a change in the formulation
of the paste, so the differences aren't _just_ mechanical.
More absolutely irrelevant crap thrown in, just to make you look "smart".
Antimony has nothing to do with the differences between "deep cycle" and
"starter" batteries. What a self-important twit.
In addition, for C to be realized, the output current for deep cycle
batteries is, I believe, lower than that allowed for starter
batteries, as is the initial charging current.
As I've already pointed out, this difference is caused by the *GEOMETRY*
of
the plates. The chargers are identical, other than perhaps you don't want
to
charge a deep-cycle battery at 100A. Neither should be.
Therefore, not only are their discharge characteristics disparate,
their charging needs and care are, also.
Wrong.
I could be mistaken, of course, so if you'd care to post some links
which would lead to my edification, I'd be grateful.
You are. Find your own.
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:2in2s792626336ovi7h9ina3okqq14i59m@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:36:31 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 00:21:02 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v)
from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended
for it
is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need
it
yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance
charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue
moon
when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of
the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and
care. The
only differences are mechanical.
---
Well, in some batteries there _is_ the addition of antimony to the
plates, which raises their resistance, and a change in the formulation
of the paste, so the differences aren't _just_ mechanical.
More absolutely irrelevant crap thrown in, just to make you look "smart".
Antimony has nothing to do with the differences between "deep cycle" and
"starter" batteries. What a self-important twit.
In addition, for C to be realized, the output current for deep cycle
batteries is, I believe, lower than that allowed for starter
batteries, as is the initial charging current.
As I've already pointed out, this difference is caused by the *GEOMETRY*
of
the plates. The chargers are identical, other than perhaps you don't want
to
charge a deep-cycle battery at 100A. Neither should be.
Therefore, not only are their discharge characteristics disparate,
their charging needs and care are, also.
Wrong.
I could be mistaken, of course, so if you'd care to post some links
which would lead to my edification, I'd be grateful.
You are. Find your own.
He wants you to do his research for him so he can look clever trotting it
out to a newbie down the line.
Down the line? In the same thread.
The above is fine - but it is not the point. Deep cycle vs starterOn Sat, 26 May 2012 15:40:40 -0400, ehsjr <ehsjr@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v) from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended for it
is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need it
yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue moon
when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and care. The
only differences are mechanical.
Wait a minute here. On one hand is a deep cycle battery, on the
other hand is a regular battery. They are not designed to be used
the same way. You may be able to charge them identically, but the
deep cycle is intended to provide a lower current over a longer time
than the regular battery, which is designed to provide huge starting
current for a short time. Equating a deep cycle with a regular
battery _is_ ludicrous. They may both use lead-acid chemistry,
but their capabilities differ considerably.
Those differences are because of physical geometry. Neither will like to be
run down to zero, neither will like to sit self-discharging. The reason
starter batteries will deliver more instantaneous current is because of the
larger surface area of the plates. The reason they will tolerate a deeper
discharge (still not to zero), is because the plates are thicker - the
opposite optimization.
That is incorrect. The "care" of the batteries includesOtherwise, the care and feeding of the batteries is the
same.
Sometimes and sometimes not. If the "job" falls within an areaThe same charge regimen works for both.
Whether Ian is claiming that a motorcycle battery is a deep cycle
battery is not clear, but it seems so, thus the issue about equating.
Either will do the job of the other,
though not optimally and they can be
damaged more easily in the corners where they're not optimized..
Only by extreme.krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 15:40:40 -0400, ehsjr <ehsjr@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v) from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended for it
is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need it
yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue moon
when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and care. The
only differences are mechanical.
Wait a minute here. On one hand is a deep cycle battery, on the
other hand is a regular battery. They are not designed to be used
the same way. You may be able to charge them identically, but the
deep cycle is intended to provide a lower current over a longer time
than the regular battery, which is designed to provide huge starting
current for a short time. Equating a deep cycle with a regular
battery _is_ ludicrous. They may both use lead-acid chemistry,
but their capabilities differ considerably.
Those differences are because of physical geometry. Neither will like to be
run down to zero, neither will like to sit self-discharging. The reason
starter batteries will deliver more instantaneous current is because of the
larger surface area of the plates. The reason they will tolerate a deeper
discharge (still not to zero), is because the plates are thicker - the
opposite optimization.
The above is fine - but it is not the point. Deep cycle vs starter
batteries have different capabilities. The rate of discharge, and
the depth of discharge are significant considerations in the care
of those batteries.
Balloney. Both want to be float charged, not left go (NiCds are theOtherwise, the care and feeding of the batteries is the
same.
That is incorrect. The "care" of the batteries includes
consideration of charge _and_ discharge. You refer only
to charging them, below:
<crickets>The same charge regimen works for both.
I never said there were no differences - rather the opposite. Get real.Whether Ian is claiming that a motorcycle battery is a deep cycle
battery is not clear, but it seems so, thus the issue about equating.
Either will do the job of the other,
Sometimes and sometimes not. If the "job" falls within an area
where the capabilities overlap, either works, at least for some
period of time. But that does not indicate that the batteries'
capabilities are equal, or that the only differences are solely
mechanical. The fact that they differ in capabilities - which
you recognize and wrote about earlier - is the point.
Ed
though not optimally and they can be
damaged more easily in the corners where they're not optimized..
Run a standard auto starter battery in a deep cycle applicationOn Mon, 28 May 2012 19:47:15 -0400, ehsjr <ehsjr@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 15:40:40 -0400, ehsjr <ehsjr@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v) from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended for it
is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need it
yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue moon
when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and care. The
only differences are mechanical.
Wait a minute here. On one hand is a deep cycle battery, on the
other hand is a regular battery. They are not designed to be used
the same way. You may be able to charge them identically, but the
deep cycle is intended to provide a lower current over a longer time
than the regular battery, which is designed to provide huge starting
current for a short time. Equating a deep cycle with a regular
battery _is_ ludicrous. They may both use lead-acid chemistry,
but their capabilities differ considerably.
Those differences are because of physical geometry. Neither will like to be
run down to zero, neither will like to sit self-discharging. The reason
starter batteries will deliver more instantaneous current is because of the
larger surface area of the plates. The reason they will tolerate a deeper
discharge (still not to zero), is because the plates are thicker - the
opposite optimization.
The above is fine - but it is not the point. Deep cycle vs starter
batteries have different capabilities. The rate of discharge, and
the depth of discharge are significant considerations in the care
of those batteries.
Only by extreme.
Again you mention charge, but you do not mention discharge.Otherwise, the care and feeding of the batteries is the
same.
That is incorrect. The "care" of the batteries includes
consideration of charge _and_ discharge. You refer only
to charging them, below:
Balloney. Both want to be float charged, not left go (NiCds are the
opposite).
And I never said or implied that you said there were *no*The same charge regimen works for both.
crickets
Whether Ian is claiming that a motorcycle battery is a deep cycle
battery is not clear, but it seems so, thus the issue about equating.
Either will do the job of the other,
Sometimes and sometimes not. If the "job" falls within an area
where the capabilities overlap, either works, at least for some
period of time. But that does not indicate that the batteries'
capabilities are equal, or that the only differences are solely
mechanical. The fact that they differ in capabilities - which
you recognize and wrote about earlier - is the point.
I never said there were no differences - rather the opposite. Get real.
Ed
though not optimally and they can be
damaged more easily in the corners where they're not optimized..
Sure, it's at the corner.krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2012 19:47:15 -0400, ehsjr <ehsjr@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 15:40:40 -0400, ehsjr <ehsjr@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:22 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:33:35 -0400, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:33 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:13:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:bf8tr7lmo7p9io37urmkvs3hti6ak4vgug@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:16:49 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:jphti3$1s4$1@dont-email.me...
About 3 months ago, I purchased a deep cycle marine battery (12v) from
Costco. It probably weighs 60 pounds. The application I intended for it
is
slowly proceeding, and I haven't used the battery at all. Any
suggestions
for charging it? I'll check the voltage tomorrow. It may not need it
yet.
I've had a motorcycle battery hooked up to an Optimate maintenance charger
for about 3 years - it gets to deliver cranking current every blue moon
when
the one in the motorcycle is found to need charging.
There are various competing brands - do a web search.
---
Deep cycle marine battery =/= motorcycle battery.
Quite so - you can deep cycle them without ruining them.
Most people got that from; "deep cycle marine battery".
---
Your reference to run-of-the-mill motorcycle batteries, then, was
inane?
The chemistry is the same. The difference is only in the geometry of the
plates.
---
Ergo, since the differences between a 60 pound deep cycle and, say, a
5 pound motorcycle battery are substantial, equating
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/equate) the two is, at best, ludicrous.
Nonsense. The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and care. The
only differences are mechanical.
Wait a minute here. On one hand is a deep cycle battery, on the
other hand is a regular battery. They are not designed to be used
the same way. You may be able to charge them identically, but the
deep cycle is intended to provide a lower current over a longer time
than the regular battery, which is designed to provide huge starting
current for a short time. Equating a deep cycle with a regular
battery _is_ ludicrous. They may both use lead-acid chemistry,
but their capabilities differ considerably.
Those differences are because of physical geometry. Neither will like to be
run down to zero, neither will like to sit self-discharging. The reason
starter batteries will deliver more instantaneous current is because of the
larger surface area of the plates. The reason they will tolerate a deeper
discharge (still not to zero), is because the plates are thicker - the
opposite optimization.
The above is fine - but it is not the point. Deep cycle vs starter
batteries have different capabilities. The rate of discharge, and
the depth of discharge are significant considerations in the care
of those batteries.
Only by extreme.
Run a standard auto starter battery in a deep cycle application
and you'll get maybe 30 to 150 charge/discharge cycles. Run the
same battery as a car starter, and typically you'll get thousands
of charge discharge cycles. See:
http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm#Starting,%20Marine,%20and%20Deep-Cycle%20Batteries
Maybe such misuse of the battery is what you have in mind where
you said "extreme".
So?Otherwise, the care and feeding of the batteries is the
same.
That is incorrect. The "care" of the batteries includes
consideration of charge _and_ discharge. You refer only
to charging them, below:
Balloney. Both want to be float charged, not left go (NiCds are the
opposite).
Again you mention charge, but you do not mention discharge.
Fact.The same charge regimen works for both.
crickets
Whether Ian is claiming that a motorcycle battery is a deep cycle
battery is not clear, but it seems so, thus the issue about equating.
Either will do the job of the other,
Sometimes and sometimes not. If the "job" falls within an area
where the capabilities overlap, either works, at least for some
period of time. But that does not indicate that the batteries'
capabilities are equal, or that the only differences are solely
mechanical. The fact that they differ in capabilities - which
you recognize and wrote about earlier - is the point.
I never said there were no differences - rather the opposite. Get real.
And I never said or implied that you said there were *no*
differences. You claim the _care_ is identical for both.
You said: "The chemistry is identical, as are the charging needs and
care. The only differences are mechanical."
<good grief>That is wrong - you continually ignore the discharge cycle.
No shit? Boy, you're the genius.The batteries differ in capability as well as construction.
Wow, we have a Capt. Obvious, here."A deep cycle battery will typically outlast two to ten car
batteries when used in deep cycle applications." See:
http://marine-electronics.net/techarticle/battery_faq/b_faq.htm#1
<good grief>If you don't care about how long the battery will last,
then the discharging part of the charge/discharge cycle
won't concern you in the care of the batteries. The whole
reason there are those two different types of batteries
_is_ the discharge cycle, which you ignore.