cfl's

[Damian]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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On 2/09/2013 7:43 PM, Trevor wrote:
"SG1" <Lost.it@theraces.com> wrote in message
news:52244a3c$0$7133$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com...
Rod has AIDS
Aquired Itelligence Deficency Syndrome.

Are you sure he aquired it and was not just born that way?

Give him a break guys!!!
Just because he vouch for Abbot's Australian nativeness doesn't mean he's
that retarded. )
He's got around four uni degrees and used to own jumbo jets too. ;-))

Trevor.



**I'd reserve that for the person who cannot manage to spell acquired
correctly.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Damian]

"Trevor" <trevor@home.net> wrote in message
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"felix_unger" <me@nothere.com> wrote in message
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On 28-August-2013 11:30 AM, felix_unger wrote:
whoever conned the govt into mandating their use must be laughing all
the way to the bank. not only are they an environmental hazed, they are
simply not cost effective. they don't last 10 times longer than
conventional bulbs, or however many times it was supposed to be, and
they cost heaps more. they emit UV radiation too.


Just replaced another one this morning (sigh)

I replaced another one last week. Had very little use, still worked, but
was so dim as to be useless :-( Replacement was lower wattage (15W Vs
20W) but FAR brighter!

BTW is anybody using the Embertec AV switch the government was conned into
supplying to reduce GHG emmisions? Got one a few weeks ago, and it wants
to turn the TV off every time you switch channels, after flashing for only
a few seconds. Swapped it for another one, and it does exactly the same so
obviously a design fault. Now if I paid for it I could demand my money
back, but since my taxes paid for it the company gets to keep the money
for faulty products.
Designed in Australia, I guess that's what happens now we have almost no
electronics industry, what's left is the dregs. A typical marketing
company with no technical capability :-(

I'm glad you brought this up. I got a one for the TV and couple more for PC,
etc. I'm gonna open a new thread for this 'cos I reckon it's tax payer money
pissed against a mud brick wall, meaning the stench lasts longer.

Trevor.

 

[Damian]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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On 4/09/2013 6:49 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:b8j59cF3t9uU3@mid.individual.net...
Rod has AIDS
Aquired Itelligence Deficency Syndrome.

Are you sure he aquired it and was not just born that way?

Sheesh. Talk about living in glass houses.

Are you really sticking up for Rod? I guess he'll be pleased there is one
at
least


**I don't have an axe to grind WRT Rod. He has insulted me in the past and
will likely do so in the future. He has also agreed with me. He doesn't
seem to carry a grudge. I do enjoy pointing out hypocrisy when I see it,
however.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

For goodness' sake guys, can one of you change your name to Timmy or
something?!
I'm getting confused the hell out of my ass here.

 

[Trevor]

"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:l09d1d$6er$1@dont-email.me...

For goodness' sake guys, can one of you change your name to Timmy or
something?!
I'm getting confused the hell out of my ass here.

Or we could all just change our names to Bruce

Trevor.

 

[Damian]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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On 30/08/2013 1:59 PM, felix_unger wrote:
On 30-August-2013 7:30 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 28/08/2013 5:05 PM, felix_unger wrote:
On 28-August-2013 2:20 PM, Jeßus wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:30:38 +1000, felix_unger <me@nothere.com
wrote:

whoever conned the govt into mandating their use must be laughing all
the way to the bank. not only are they an environmental hazed, they
are
simply not cost effective. they don't last 10 times longer than
conventional bulbs, or however many times it was supposed to be, and
they cost heaps more. they emit UV radiation too.
Never been a fan of CFLs, it's a good thing LEDs matured into a much
superior alternative.

it hasn't really become cost effective yet, and I tried some, but the
output is too low. ok for desklamps tho.


**More bollocks. I have a 100 Watt LED here right now.

and how much did you pay for it?



**Utterly and completely fucking irrelevant. I responded to yet another of
your ignorant claims. Nothing more.

FWIW: I paid $60.00 for it. It sure cost more than the halogen, but costs
1/5th the amount of electricity to operate and radiates 20% of the heat.
In confined spaces, it is well worth it. Lots of light and minimal heat.

I would wait for them get little bit cheaper. $60 for light globe sounds way
too much for me.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor]

"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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FWIW: I paid $60.00 for it. It sure cost more than the halogen, but costs
1/5th the amount of electricity to operate and radiates 20% of the heat.
In confined spaces, it is well worth it. Lots of light and minimal heat.

I would wait for them get little bit cheaper. $60 for light globe sounds
way too much for me.

Compared to a few dollars for a 500W halogen lamp it sure is, but then you'd
easily save that in electricity costs over a few years with reduced heat a
big bonus.
(even if they generate more heat than most people expect, still 100W after
all, with most of that heat.)
It will really become a no-brainer in a couple of years though when they
will get a *lot* cheaper.
However as a replacement for PAR56 type globes though, they are already cost
effective!

Trevor.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:l09d1d$6er$1@dont-email.me...

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:b8octqF6vsnU1@mid.individual.net...
On 4/09/2013 6:49 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:b8j59cF3t9uU3@mid.individual.net...
Rod has AIDS
Aquired Itelligence Deficency Syndrome.

Are you sure he aquired it and was not just born that way?

Sheesh. Talk about living in glass houses.

Are you really sticking up for Rod? I guess he'll be pleased there is
one at
least


**I don't have an axe to grind WRT Rod. He has insulted me in the past
and will likely do so in the future. He has also agreed with me. He
doesn't seem to carry a grudge. I do enjoy pointing out hypocrisy when I
see it, however.

For goodness' sake guys, can one of you change your name to Timmy or
something?!
I'm getting confused the hell out of my ass here.

Bit pointless bothering, you'll be hanging yourself in just 2 days now.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 5/09/2013 6:06 PM, Damian wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:b8allaF9npjU1@mid.individual.net...
On 30/08/2013 1:59 PM, felix_unger wrote:
On 30-August-2013 7:30 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 28/08/2013 5:05 PM, felix_unger wrote:
On 28-August-2013 2:20 PM, Jeßus wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:30:38 +1000, felix_unger <me@nothere.com
wrote:

whoever conned the govt into mandating their use must be laughing all
the way to the bank. not only are they an environmental hazed, they
are
simply not cost effective. they don't last 10 times longer than
conventional bulbs, or however many times it was supposed to be, and
they cost heaps more. they emit UV radiation too.
Never been a fan of CFLs, it's a good thing LEDs matured into a much
superior alternative.

it hasn't really become cost effective yet, and I tried some, but the
output is too low. ok for desklamps tho.


**More bollocks. I have a 100 Watt LED here right now.

and how much did you pay for it?



**Utterly and completely fucking irrelevant. I responded to yet another of
your ignorant claims. Nothing more.

FWIW: I paid $60.00 for it. It sure cost more than the halogen, but costs
1/5th the amount of electricity to operate and radiates 20% of the heat.
In confined spaces, it is well worth it. Lots of light and minimal heat.

I would wait for them get little bit cheaper. $60 for light globe sounds way
too much for me.

**Perhaps. However, I recently excavated a man-cave for myself. I
started using a 500 Watt halogen, but, during the Summer months, the
heat became intolerable. I substituted with the 100 LED and never looked
back. 500 Watts in a confined space, with little air flow can suddenly
make an expensive 100 Watt lamp a really good idea.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[felix_unger]

On 05-September-2013 2:52 PM, Trevor wrote:

"felix_unger" <me@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:b8q51dFigniU1@mid.individual.net...
On 28-August-2013 11:30 AM, felix_unger wrote:
whoever conned the govt into mandating their use must be laughing all the
way to the bank. not only are they an environmental hazed, they are
simply not cost effective. they don't last 10 times longer than
conventional bulbs, or however many times it was supposed to be, and they
cost heaps more. they emit UV radiation too.

Just replaced another one this morning (sigh)
I replaced another one last week. Had very little use, still worked, but was
so dim as to be useless :-( Replacement was lower wattage (15W Vs 20W) but
FAR brighter!

BTW is anybody using the Embertec AV switch the government was conned into
supplying to reduce GHG emmisions? Got one a few weeks ago, and it wants to
turn the TV off every time you switch channels, after flashing for only a
few seconds.

Yes, no probs with it. read the leaflet. you probably haven't
initialized / set it properly

Swapped it for another one, and it does exactly the same so
obviously a design fault. Now if I paid for it I could demand my money back,
but since my taxes paid for it the company gets to keep the money for faulty
products.
Designed in Australia, I guess that's what happens now we have almost no
electronics industry, what's left is the dregs. A typical marketing company
with no technical capability :-(

Trevor.

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
http://www.facebook.com/VoteForTonyAbbott
http://www.liberal.org.au/ruddfacts/

 

[Trevor]

"felix_unger" <me@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:b8srsmF5b9fU1@mid.individual.net...

BTW is anybody using the Embertec AV switch the government was conned
into
supplying to reduce GHG emmisions? Got one a few weeks ago, and it wants
to
turn the TV off every time you switch channels, after flashing for only a
few seconds.

Yes, no probs with it. read the leaflet. you probably haven't initialized
/ set it properly

You are simply falling into the trap obviously the designers fell into, just
because it works for you and your setup, you assume it will work for every
body else. The only set up is the time delay, (1,2 or 3 hours) which works
fine *IF* I never use my remote while watching the TV. How many people do
that I wonder? And operating the remote is supposed to reset the timer
countdown, NOT make it go to sleep!
Of course if you really think there is a setup option to fix it's current
behaviour, why not simply state what it is? That would actually be
appreciated!

Trevor.

 

[felix_unger]

On 06-September-2013 3:33 PM, Trevor wrote:

"felix_unger" <me@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:b8srsmF5b9fU1@mid.individual.net...
BTW is anybody using the Embertec AV switch the government was conned
into
supplying to reduce GHG emmisions? Got one a few weeks ago, and it wants
to
turn the TV off every time you switch channels, after flashing for only a
few seconds.
Yes, no probs with it. read the leaflet. you probably haven't initialized
/ set it properly
You are simply falling into the trap obviously the designers fell into, just
because it works for you and your setup, you assume it will work for every
body else. The only set up is the time delay, (1,2 or 3 hours) which works
fine *IF* I never use my remote while watching the TV. How many people do
that I wonder? And operating the remote is supposed to reset the timer
countdown, NOT make it go to sleep!
Of course if you really think there is a setup option to fix it's current
behaviour, why not simply state what it is? That would actually be
appreciated!

So ring the manufacturer and see if they can explain it

Trevor.

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
http://www.facebook.com/VoteForTonyAbbott
http://www.liberal.org.au/ruddfacts/

 

[Trevor]

"felix_unger" <me@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:b8tpfjFb3viU1@mid.individual.net...

BTW is anybody using the Embertec AV switch the government was conned
into
supplying to reduce GHG emmisions? Got one a few weeks ago, and it
wants
to
turn the TV off every time you switch channels, after flashing for only
a
few seconds.
Yes, no probs with it. read the leaflet. you probably haven't
initialized
/ set it properly
You are simply falling into the trap obviously the designers fell into,
just
because it works for you and your setup, you assume it will work for
every
body else. The only set up is the time delay, (1,2 or 3 hours) which
works
fine *IF* I never use my remote while watching the TV. How many people do
that I wonder? And operating the remote is supposed to reset the timer
countdown, NOT make it go to sleep!
Of course if you really think there is a setup option to fix it's current
behaviour, why not simply state what it is? That would actually be
appreciated!

So ring the manufacturer and see if they can explain it

I'm not spending money to find out what their excuse for it not being
designed properly is. As I said if I had bought it I'd simply take it back.
But like other people I have spoken to, since they didn't pay for it
directly, and can't get a refund, they simply don't use it. A really smart
company though, they got to sell FAR more than they otherwise would, and not
have to worry about customers (or the government) demanding their money
back.

Trevor.

 

[F Murtz]

Damian wrote:

"felix_unger" <me@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:b8cst3FojfcU1@mid.individual.net...
On 31-August-2013 1:55 AM, Damian wrote:

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b88bc6Fov8oU1@mid.individual.net...
"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:kvmkom$13c$1@speranza.aioe.org...
"felix_unger" <me@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:b8526dF3sfjU1@mid.individual.net...
whoever conned the govt into mandating their use
I'm not aware of anybody mandating it.
It was mandated anyway.

I believe it's a choice, so far.
You're wrong, as always.
I have couple of incandescents in the house installed by(not me), in
areas
where I rarely switch them on.

I still have a box full

I haven't had the bulb police showing up and kicking my arse over it yet.

now that you've outed yourself on usenet expect a SWAT team anytime soon..

Crap! Why don't I think before I talk?!! ;-)


And the local Chinese shops and major warehouses still have them.

eBay too


Shouldn't it be illegal to sell them, like tobacco and alcohol?!
BTW, Rod is a home brewer.
I would dob in the bastard, if I know where he live. )

Home brewing is not illegal and as far as I know selling old filament
lamps is not illegal, the importing of them is.

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
http://www.facebook.com/VoteForTonyAbbott
http://www.liberal.org.au/ruddfacts/

 

[felix_unger]

On 06-September-2013 9:27 PM, Trevor wrote:

"felix_unger" <me@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:b8tpfjFb3viU1@mid.individual.net...
BTW is anybody using the Embertec AV switch the government was conned
into
supplying to reduce GHG emmisions? Got one a few weeks ago, and it
wants
to
turn the TV off every time you switch channels, after flashing for only
a
few seconds.
Yes, no probs with it. read the leaflet. you probably haven't
initialized
/ set it properly
You are simply falling into the trap obviously the designers fell into,
just
because it works for you and your setup, you assume it will work for
every
body else. The only set up is the time delay, (1,2 or 3 hours) which
works
fine *IF* I never use my remote while watching the TV. How many people do
that I wonder? And operating the remote is supposed to reset the timer
countdown, NOT make it go to sleep!
Of course if you really think there is a setup option to fix it's current
behaviour, why not simply state what it is? That would actually be
appreciated!
So ring the manufacturer and see if they can explain it
I'm not spending money to find out what their excuse for it not being
designed properly is. As I said if I had bought it I'd simply take it back.
But like other people I have spoken to, since they didn't pay for it
directly, and can't get a refund, they simply don't use it. A really smart
company though, they got to sell FAR more than they otherwise would, and not
have to worry about customers (or the government) demanding their money
back.

position the receiver so it doesn't receive the IR from the remote when
you change channels

Trevor.

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
http://www.facebook.com/VoteForTonyAbbott
http://www.liberal.org.au/ruddfacts/

 

[Trevor]

"felix_unger" <me@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:b8v7f7FkjrvU1@mid.individual.net...

position the receiver so it doesn't receive the IR from the remote when
you change channels

IF it was properly designed it wouldn't be necessary, and you still have to
be able to wake the TV up in the first place, and to stop it switching off
every couple of hours when you are still watching. The other solution is to
do what many people do, and simply unplug it altogether.
Bet they wouldn't sell many (after returns anyway) if people actually had to
pay for them!

Trevor.

 

[Damian]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:b8ra7dFppbjU1@mid.individual.net...

On 5/09/2013 6:06 PM, Damian wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:b8allaF9npjU1@mid.individual.net...
On 30/08/2013 1:59 PM, felix_unger wrote:
On 30-August-2013 7:30 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 28/08/2013 5:05 PM, felix_unger wrote:
On 28-August-2013 2:20 PM, Jeßus wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:30:38 +1000, felix_unger <me@nothere.com
wrote:

whoever conned the govt into mandating their use must be laughing
all
the way to the bank. not only are they an environmental hazed, they
are
simply not cost effective. they don't last 10 times longer than
conventional bulbs, or however many times it was supposed to be,
and
they cost heaps more. they emit UV radiation too.
Never been a fan of CFLs, it's a good thing LEDs matured into a much
superior alternative.

it hasn't really become cost effective yet, and I tried some, but the
output is too low. ok for desklamps tho.


**More bollocks. I have a 100 Watt LED here right now.

and how much did you pay for it?



**Utterly and completely fucking irrelevant. I responded to yet another
of
your ignorant claims. Nothing more.

FWIW: I paid $60.00 for it. It sure cost more than the halogen, but
costs
1/5th the amount of electricity to operate and radiates 20% of the heat.
In confined spaces, it is well worth it. Lots of light and minimal heat.

I would wait for them get little bit cheaper. $60 for light globe sounds
way
too much for me.

**Perhaps. However, I recently excavated a man-cave for myself. I started
using a 500 Watt halogen, but, during the Summer months, the heat became
intolerable. I substituted with the 100 LED and never looked back. 500
Watts in a confined space, with little air flow can suddenly make an
expensive 100 Watt lamp a really good idea.

Actually, the halogens are invented for heat, not for light.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor]

"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:l0jois$km6$1@dont-email.me...
> Actually, the halogens are invented for heat, not for light.

And proudly proclaim 30-40% increased efficiency over standard filament
globes!
Not saying much of course!

Trevor.

 

[felix_unger]

On 08-September-2013 4:49 PM, Trevor wrote:

"felix_unger" <me@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:b8v7f7FkjrvU1@mid.individual.net...
position the receiver so it doesn't receive the IR from the remote when
you change channels
IF it was properly designed it wouldn't be necessary, and you still have to
be able to wake the TV up in the first place, and to stop it switching off
every couple of hours when you are still watching. The other solution is to
do what many people do, and simply unplug it altogether.
Bet they wouldn't sell many (after returns anyway) if people actually had to
pay for them!

Seems to me you're more interested in bitching about it than actually
fixing the problem. It shouldn't be difficult to place the receiver
where you can still fire the remote at it, but it doesn't get IR when
you point the remote at the tv.

Trevor.

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
http://www.facebook.com/VoteForTonyAbbott
http://www.liberal.org.au/ruddfacts/

 

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:b8octqF6vsnU1@mid.individual.net...
On 4/09/2013 6:49 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:b8j59cF3t9uU3@mid.individual.net...
Rod has AIDS
Aquired Itelligence Deficency Syndrome.

Are you sure he aquired it and was not just born that way?

Sheesh. Talk about living in glass houses.

Are you really sticking up for Rod? I guess he'll be pleased there is
one at
least


**I don't have an axe to grind WRT Rod. He has insulted me in the past
and will likely do so in the future. He has also agreed with me. He
doesn't seem to carry a grudge. I do enjoy pointing out hypocrisy when I
see it, however.

For goodness' sake guys, can one of you change your name to Timmy or
something?!
I'm getting confused the hell out of my ass here.

Bit pointless bothering, you'll be hanging yourself in just 2 days now.

I guess, I'm gona have to hang in, Abbot sent me a contract.
Besides the rope you sent me didn't work. It's some hundred years old, from
1930's, it broke in half while I was trying to hang myself.

>

 

[Damian]

"Trevor" <trevor@home.net> wrote in message
news:l0ju18$6tj$1@speranza.aioe.org...

"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:l0jois$km6$1@dont-email.me...
Actually, the halogens are invented for heat, not for light.

And proudly proclaim 30-40% increased efficiency over standard filament
globes!
Not saying much of course!

Probably, they were referring to it's efficiency as a bathroom heater, I
reckon. ;-)

Trevor.