Capacitors leaking on LG 50PC3D

"Meat Plow"

My Leader audio generator doesn't do 100kHz.
** Wot a piece of shit.

50kHz will do, at a pinch.


What 'audio generator' does?

** Nearly all go to at least 100 kHz.

Many go out to 1MHz.

Function generators often go out to way more.



..... Phil
 
On Jan 24, 6:52 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
stratu...@yahoo.com

With any ESR meter there are 'gotchas' to beware of. Any
ceramic caps in parallel with a 'lytic will mask the true condition of
the 'lytic.

** Totally insane BOLLOCKS  !!!!!

A 0.1uF ceramic has an impedance of 16 ohms at 100KHz   -   while a typical
100uF electro has an impedance of 0.16 ohms at 100kHz. That is 100 times
less !!!

Imbecile.

If it reads bad, it IS  but if it reads good it might not be.

** Only time that is ever true is if the electro is shorted -  internally or
externally.

May times I've run into boards with many caps of the same value.
If one of those is bad I change all of that value figuring if one is
bad the others aren't far behind.

** Not a bad idea - if all the electros have been subjected to the same
temps for the same times.

Also, the output caps in SMPS need to be nearly perfect.

** Well, that may be so in some cases.

But designers usually leave a margin for component variations and some
deterioration in electros.

Once the ESR of an electro rises by more than 50%, it may be time for
replacement -  cos it is now gonna keep rising.

.....  Phil
Who said anything about 0.1uF? The Sony EQ-45 board in the DVW-500
Digital Betacam has a lot of 100uF surface mount 'lytics, many of
which read 'OK' but when removing the 'lytic, IT reads very bad and
the pads on the board read 'OK' without the 'lytic.

Can't argue with facts.

 
On Jan 24, 6:52 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
stratu...@yahoo.com

With any ESR meter there are 'gotchas' to beware of. Any
ceramic caps in parallel with a 'lytic will mask the true condition of
the 'lytic.

** Totally insane BOLLOCKS  !!!!!

A 0.1uF ceramic has an impedance of 16 ohms at 100KHz   -   while a typical
100uF electro has an impedance of 0.16 ohms at 100kHz. That is 100 times
less !!!

Imbecile.

If it reads bad, it IS  but if it reads good it might not be.

** Only time that is ever true is if the electro is shorted -  internally or
externally.

May times I've run into boards with many caps of the same value.
If one of those is bad I change all of that value figuring if one is
bad the others aren't far behind.

** Not a bad idea - if all the electros have been subjected to the same
temps for the same times.

Also, the output caps in SMPS need to be nearly perfect.

** Well, that may be so in some cases.

But designers usually leave a margin for component variations and some
deterioration in electros.

Once the ESR of an electro rises by more than 50%, it may be time for
replacement -  cos it is now gonna keep rising.

.....  Phil
Also, your math is wrong hotshot.

 
"Meat Plow is a Stupid Cunt "
My Leader audio generator doesn't do 100kHz.

** Wot a piece of shit.

50kHz will do, at a pinch.

It was certified by all my warranty work requirements.
Teac/Tascam, Panasonic, Sansui, Yamaha, Sony etc...

** It's still a piece of shit.



What 'audio generator' does?


** Nearly all go to at least 100 kHz.

Many go out to 1MHz.

Function generators often go out to way more.

That's nice but I use a signal/function generator to
generate signals out of the audio realm.

** Then use it for this.

FUCKWIT !!!!



...... Phil
 
<stratus46@yahoo.com

Also, your math is wrong hotshot.

** No it ain't.

Go get fucked you stupid cunt.

Yeah, it is. 0.1uF to 100uF is 1000 times, not 100 as you wrote.
** ROTFLMAO !!

I wrote NOTHING OF THE SORT

YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNTHEAD !!
---------------------------------------------------


Quote from you
"** Totally insane BOLLOCKS !!!!!

A 0.1uF ceramic has an impedance of 16 ohms at 100KHz - while a
typical 100uF electro has an impedance of 0.16 ohms at 100kHz. That is 100
times less !!! Imbecile"

** 100 times less is just what it is !!!

YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNTHEAD !!
---------------------------------------------------


I said nothing of parallel cap values.

** You stinking bloody LIAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" With any ESR meter there are 'gotchas' to beware of.
Any ceramic caps in parallel with a 'lytic will mask the
true condition of the 'lytic. "


Go straight into hell you vile, waste of space.



...... Phil
 
"Meat Plow is a Lying Stupid Cunt "

My Leader audio generator doesn't do 100kHz.

** Which model is it??

Post a link to it.

I found 6 different "Leader" audio gens on the net and all go out to at
least 100kHz.




...... Phil
 
On Jan 24, 7:30 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
stratu...@yahoo.com

Also, your math is wrong hotshot.

**  No it ain't.

  Go get fucked you stupid cunt.
Yeah, it is. 0.1uF to 100uF is 1000 times, not 100 as you wrote.

Quote from you
"** Totally insane BOLLOCKS !!!!!

A 0.1uF ceramic has an impedance of 16 ohms at 100KHz - while a
typical
100uF electro has an impedance of 0.16 ohms at 100kHz. That is 100
times
less !!!

Imbecile"

I said nothing of parallel cap values. You assumed it - incorrectly.

 
<stratu...@yahoo.com


Also, your math is wrong hotshot.

** No it ain't.

Go get fucked you stupid cunt.
Yeah, it is. 0.1uF to 100uF is 1000 times, not 100 as you wrote.

** ROTFLMAO !!

I wrote NOTHING OF THE SORT

YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNTHEAD !!
---------------------------------------------------

Quote from you

"** Totally insane BOLLOCKS !!!!!

A 0.1uF ceramic has an impedance of 16 ohms at 100KHz - while a
typical 100uF electro has an impedance of 0.16 ohms at 100kHz. That is 100
times less !!! Imbecile"

** 100 times less is just what it is !!!
0.1 into 100 is 100? Is that Aussie math?


** My god - you are one

FUCKING RETARDED CUNT !!!


16 divided by 0.16 = 100 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
---------------------------------------------


Get CANCER and DIE you vile scumbag.





...... Phil
 
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:58:37 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:


** Anyone who needs to check the ESR of a few electros can lash up a
test
rig in seconds - all you need is a bench audio generator and a basic
scope or CRO as poms and Aussies call them.

Set the audio gen to about 100kHz
My Leader audio generator doesn't do 100kHz. What 'audio generator' does?



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<stratus46@yahoo.com>

** This bullshit artist is the PRINCE of FUCKWITS

Other fuckwits round the world regard him with complete awe.

He shows them the way ........



Quote from you

"** Totally insane BOLLOCKS !!!!!

A 0.1uF ceramic has an impedance of 16 ohms at 100KHz - while a
typical 100uF electro has an impedance of 0.16 ohms at 100kHz. That is 100
times less !!! Imbecile"

** 100 times less is just what it is !!!
0.1 into 100 is 100? Is that Aussie math?


** My god - you are one

FUCKING RETARDED CUNT !!!

16 divided by 0.16 = 100 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
---------------------------------------------

Get CANCER and DIE you vile scumbag.



...... Phil
 
"Meat Plow"
Phil Allison wrote:
My Leader audio generator doesn't do 100kHz.

** Which model is it??

Post a link to it.

I found 6 different "Leader" audio gens on the net and all go out to at
least 100kHz.


It's a LAG 120B and your right it's highest resolution is 1 Mhz.

Sorry. Never used it that high with amplifiers.

** Apology accepted.

( I can hardly believe I am posting that .... )

One reason for having 100kHz or more available on an "Audio Generator" is to
enable the testing of audio filters that may have turn over frequencies at
say 22 kHz. To find the roll of slope, one needs to check the response for
several octaves above that frequency.

Another use is in testing the response of audio transformers - ie line,
mic or valve output. These often exhibit severe ringing at frequencies
between 25 kHz and 150kHz. This can often be eliminated with a suitable RC
damping network.

Audio gens also need to go down to 1 or 2 Hz as well - so one can check any
sub sonic filters included in amplifiers and other devices OR to force DC
and anti-thump protection relays in power amps to cycle to verify their
operation.

Many other good reasons exist too.



..... Phil
 
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:11:31 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

"Meat Plow"

My Leader audio generator doesn't do 100kHz.

** Wot a piece of shit.

50kHz will do, at a pinch.
It was certified by all my warranty work requirements.
Teac/Tascam, Panasonic, Sansui, Yamaha, Sony etc...


What 'audio generator' does?


** Nearly all go to at least 100 kHz.

Many go out to 1MHz.
Why would an 'audio generator' need to have a resolution
up to 1 Mhz?

Function generators often go out to way more.
That's nice but I use a signal/function generator to
generate signals out of the audio realm.





--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
 
On Jan 24, 8:07 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
stratu...@yahoo.com

Also, your math is wrong hotshot.

** No it ain't.

Go get fucked you stupid cunt.
Yeah, it is. 0.1uF to 100uF is 1000 times, not 100 as you wrote.

** ROTFLMAO  !!

I wrote  NOTHING  OF  THE  SORT

YOU   STUPID   FUCKING  CUNTHEAD  !!
---------------------------------------------------

Quote from you

"** Totally insane BOLLOCKS  !!!!!

A 0.1uF ceramic has an impedance of 16 ohms at 100KHz   -   while a
typical 100uF electro has an impedance of 0.16 ohms at 100kHz. That is 100
times less !!!   Imbecile"

** 100 times less is just what it is  !!!

YOU   STUPID   FUCKING  CUNTHEAD  !!
---------------------------------------------------

I said nothing of parallel cap values.

** You stinking bloody LIAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" With any ESR meter there are 'gotchas' to beware of.
Any ceramic caps in parallel with a 'lytic will mask the
true condition of the 'lytic.  "

Go straight into hell you vile, waste of space.

.....  Phil
Assuming you're perfect and found wanting seems to set you off. Have a
nice day.

 
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:24:01 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

"Meat Plow is a Stupid Cunt "

My Leader audio generator doesn't do 100kHz.

** Wot a piece of shit.

50kHz will do, at a pinch.

It was certified by all my warranty work requirements. Teac/Tascam,
Panasonic, Sansui, Yamaha, Sony etc...


** It's still a piece of shit.
Only in your mind. It does exactly what it was designed
to do.

What 'audio generator' does?


** Nearly all go to at least 100 kHz.

Many go out to 1MHz.

Function generators often go out to way more.

That's nice but I use a signal/function generator to generate signals
out of the audio realm.


** Then use it for this.

FUCKWIT !!!!



..... Phil
But your point was use an 'audio generator.'

I guess in your own way you admit your advice was shite.



--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
 
On Jan 24, 8:37 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
stratu...@yahoo.com

Also, your math is wrong hotshot.

** No it ain't.

Go get fucked you stupid cunt.
Yeah, it is. 0.1uF to 100uF is 1000 times, not 100 as you wrote.

** ROTFLMAO  !!

I wrote  NOTHING  OF  THE  SORT

YOU   STUPID   FUCKING  CUNTHEAD  !!
---------------------------------------------------

Quote from you

"** Totally insane BOLLOCKS  !!!!!

A 0.1uF ceramic has an impedance of 16 ohms at 100KHz   -   while a
typical 100uF electro has an impedance of 0.16 ohms at 100kHz. That is 100
times less !!!   Imbecile"

** 100 times less is just what it is  !!!

YOU   STUPID   FUCKING  CUNTHEAD  !!
---------------------------------------------------

I said nothing of parallel cap values.

** You stinking bloody LIAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" With any ESR meter there are 'gotchas' to beware of.
Any ceramic caps in parallel with a 'lytic will mask the
true condition of the 'lytic.  "

Go straight into hell you vile, waste of space.

.....  Phil
0.1 into 100 is 100? Is that Aussie math? Answers a LOT of questions
though.

 
On Jan 24, 8:50 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
 <stratu...@yahoo.com





Also, your math is wrong hotshot.

** No it ain't.

Go get fucked you stupid cunt.
Yeah, it is. 0.1uF to 100uF is 1000 times, not 100 as you wrote.

** ROTFLMAO !!

I wrote NOTHING OF THE SORT

YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNTHEAD !!
---------------------------------------------------

Quote from you

"** Totally insane BOLLOCKS !!!!!

A 0.1uF ceramic has an impedance of 16 ohms at 100KHz - while a
typical 100uF electro has an impedance of 0.16 ohms at 100kHz. That is 100
times less !!! Imbecile"

** 100 times less is just what it is !!!

0.1 into 100 is 100? Is that Aussie math?

** My god   -  you are one

FUCKING   RETARDED  CUNT   !!!

16 divided by 0.16  =  100  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
---------------------------------------------

Get  CANCER  and  DIE  you vile scumbag.

..... Phil
You're just too dense to deal with. G'Day mate.

 
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:44:20 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

"Meat Plow is a Lying Stupid Cunt "



My Leader audio generator doesn't do 100kHz.


** Which model is it??

Post a link to it.

I found 6 different "Leader" audio gens on the net and all go out to at
least 100kHz.




..... Phil
It's a LAG 120B and your right it's highest resolution is 1 Mhz.

Sorry. Never used it that high with amplifiers.



--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
 
On 1/24/2011 8:57 PM stratus46@yahoo.com spake thus:

[snip now-meaningless stuff]

Um, sir, you're going to need another ticket if you want to get on this
ride* again.


[The Phil Allison's Off His Meds Again Cyclo-Rama]


--
Comment on quaint Usenet customs, from Usenet:

To me, the *plonk...* reminds me of the old man at the public hearing
who stands to make his point, then removes his hearing aid as a sign
that he is not going to hear any rebuttals.
 
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:01:10 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow
<mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:58:37 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:
Set the audio gen to about 100kHz

My Leader audio generator doesn't do 100kHz. What 'audio generator' does?
My Leader LFG-1300S goes to 2MHz. My broken Wavetek Model 120 also
goes to 2Mhz. My broken HP 3312A function generator would go to 13Mhz
if it would kindly allow itself to be fixed. The square waves start
to have rounded corners near the higher frequencies, but at 100Khz,
it's a real nice square wave.


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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:14:58 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

"Meat Plow"
Phil Allison wrote:

My Leader audio generator doesn't do 100kHz.

** Which model is it??

Post a link to it.

I found 6 different "Leader" audio gens on the net and all go out to
at least 100kHz.


It's a LAG 120B and your right it's highest resolution is 1 Mhz.

Sorry. Never used it that high with amplifiers.


** Apology accepted.

( I can hardly believe I am posting that .... )

One reason for having 100kHz or more available on an "Audio Generator"
is to enable the testing of audio filters that may have turn over
frequencies at say 22 kHz. To find the roll of slope, one needs to
check the response for several octaves above that frequency.

Another use is in testing the response of audio transformers - ie
line, mic or valve output. These often exhibit severe ringing at
frequencies between 25 kHz and 150kHz. This can often be eliminated
with a suitable RC damping network.

Audio gens also need to go down to 1 or 2 Hz as well - so one can check
any sub sonic filters included in amplifiers and other devices OR to
force DC and anti-thump protection relays in power amps to cycle to
verify their operation.

Many other good reasons exist too.



.... Phil
Thanks and ESR solution archived. And I can't believe I didn't remember
the LAG 120 did 1 MHz seeing I've owned it now for 35 years. However I
ALWAYS used/use it for 400 -1000 MHz depending on calibration
instructions for various audio devices. I doubt it would even work on
higher resolutions without cleaning the push buttons. So once again
sorry.



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