Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?...

[Commander Kinsey]

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

 

[Mark Carver]

On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

 

[Brian Gaff]

Not very well. There was a myth busters covering this, the myth that
pissing on a live third rail could kill you, it did not as the water was
droplets in the air and hence needed a higher voltage to bridge the gaps.
Also of course all water is not the same, conductivity wise.
So if you have say a tesla coil giving very high voltages, spray would tend
to help conduction, as you can often hear near pylons on foggy damp days.
Brian

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\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
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If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could
it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:

On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?

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Cheers, Carlos.

 

[alan_m]

On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?

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[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:18:00 +1000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?

Nothing special, most obviously wih the glass insulators
on 350KV and 500KV transmission lines.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-06-28 12:59, Rod Speed wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:18:00 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
 Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?

Nothing special, most obviously wih the glass insulators
on 350KV and 500KV transmission lines.

Don\'t they become surface conductive to ground?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[legg]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:52:31 +0100, \"Brian Gaff\"
<briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Not very well. There was a myth busters covering this, the myth that
pissing on a live third rail could kill you, it did not as the water was
droplets in the air and hence needed a higher voltage to bridge the gaps.
Also of course all water is not the same, conductivity wise.
So if you have say a tesla coil giving very high voltages, spray would tend
to help conduction, as you can often hear near pylons on foggy damp days.
Brian

Leakage in insulators is caused by physical impurities deposited on
the insulator, that will dissolve in the collecting condensation.
Corona develops.
Resulting heat will evaporate the condensation - leaving deposits that
\'track\' when re-wetted, finally resulting in lower voltage breakdown
in the dry state.

RL

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka \"Commander Kinsey\",
\"James Wilkinson\", \"Steven Wanker\",\"Bruce Farquar\", \"Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

<FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore\'s latest
attention-baiting sick bullshit unread again>

--
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trolling:
\"He is a well known attention seeking troll and every reply you
make feeds him.
Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
noticed again.\"
MID: <be195d5jh0hktj054mvfu7ef9ap854mjdb@4ax.com>

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You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
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MID: <KaToA.263621$g93.262397@fx10.am4>

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several parrots living in his hovel.\"
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negative it may be.\"
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month some time. You\'re like a dog who\'s just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it.\"
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and bandwidth.\"
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[legg]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?

Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
inducing tracking.

RL

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, anal_m, the notorious troll-feeding
senile retard, blathered again:


> High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?

Troll trolling for attention and senile assholes giving him it? <BG>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:39:41 +0100, Mark Carver, another brain dead
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE blathered:


> Well.....

Well ...the PROVEN clinically insane, trolling attention whore is at his
antics again.

 

[legg]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Google it.

RL

 

[Bob F]

On 6/28/2023 4:10 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-06-28 12:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:18:00 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
 Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?

Nothing special, most obviously wih the glass insulators
on 350KV and 500KV transmission lines.

Don\'t they become surface conductive to ground?

Right. That\'s why they only use them in places that it never rains.

 

[Colin Bignell]

On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Water mist fire suppression systems claim to be suitable for all forms
of domestic fire, including those involving electrical equipment.

--
Colin Bignell

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

I would think it\'s possible, but my own somewhat related experience has
been: I have an electric lawn mower with a 100\' extension cord that I
no longer pull in when I\'m done mowing the lawn or weed-wacking. It
lies in the grass all year, even in the rain, even under the snow.
After the grass grows even a little, it\'s hidden by the grass.

I have a GFI circuit breaker on that circuit and if current wwere going
to ground and not back though the neutral wire, the breaker would trip,
but it\'s only tripped 3 times in about 20 years, and since the bat hroom
and kitchen sink receptacles are on the same breaker, I\'m not positive
it\'s the extension cord that did those.

I\'m cautious in that if it\'s damp, I pick up the cord 6 feet from the
end, but I\'ve never had even a tingle.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.

There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:39:41 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

This is what we wash 400KV live line.Hot Line Washing is a process of
cleaning of insulators with the help of DM water /normal water,
conductivity below 200 Micr0-mh0s, under live condition, without asking
for shut down. Factors like salt, cement/lime, smog, vehicular emissions
etc. affect insulator performance.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 21:10:07 +1000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

On 2023-06-28 12:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:18:00 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?
Nothing special, most obviously wih the glass insulators
on 350KV and 500KV transmission lines.

Don\'t they become surface conductive to ground?

Nope, if they did, the line would shut down.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-06-28 18:31, Rod Speed wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 21:10:07 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 12:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:18:00 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from
something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire
somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a
grounded point?
 Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?
 Nothing special, most obviously wih the glass insulators
on 350KV and 500KV transmission lines.

Don\'t they become surface conductive to ground?

Nope, if they did, the line would shut down.

But I don\'t understand how it doesn\'t happen. They are throwing water
spray to them, a lot of water, from below. The entire surface of the
glass must be getting wet.

--
Cheers, Carlos.