Can a TV camera be blinded by IR?

[mickgeyver]

On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 5:01:44 AM UTC-4, bu...@bubba.com wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 17:34:38 -0700 (PDT), mickgeyver
wrote:


What you do inside is expected to be private. That includes being=20
able to parade around inside your own house in the nude with the
shades up. Your neighbors cannot complain about it as it would
violate your reasonable expectation of privacy within your own
home. When you go outside it becomes a different issue.

I'm afraid you've misused that phrase. "Reasonable expectation of
privacy" is a standard used to decide if the goverment has violated the
rights (under the Fourth Amendment to the Constition or a similar clause
in a law or state constitution) of someone asserting the right to
privacy. The opposite of how you are using the term.

It has nothing to do with whether one is permitted to display himself
naked so that others can see. I don't know the details of that issue,
but try having sex in front of a picture window with no shades that is
near to and faces the street with pedestrians walking by and you'll find
out that you don't have the unlimited right you think you do.

As to whether you have a 4th Amendment or other right then, when you
don't have curtains or leave the curtains open, you waive your right of
privacy.

See

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Standing-nude-inside-your-home-and-other-6145021.php


Perhaps it depends more on local interpretation. Please provide your source.

 

[RobertMacy]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 17:34:38 -0700, mickgeyver
<alan.yeager.2013@gmail.com> wrote:

...snip....
What you do inside is expected to be private. That includes being
able to parade around inside your own house in the nude with the
shades up. Your neighbors cannot complain about it as it would
violate your reasonable expectation of privacy within your own
home. When you go outside it becomes a different issue.

...snip....

BAD ADVICE! NOT TRUE!

Review court case of man arrested for vacuuming 'inside' his home while in
the nude with shades open.

 

[Gareth Magennis]

wrote in message
news:013f3e31-3b23-4834-ac56-0e0f8f478f9b@googlegroups.com...

Thing is, XYZ is none of his business and I would blow the motherfuckers
head off.




Thing is, if XYZ is affecting his quality of life then it IS his business,
and, at least in the UK, he is entitled to take the (legal) steps necessary
to record and try and stop this possibly illegal XYZ behaviour.



Gareth.

 

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 11:21:58 PM UTC-4, captainvi...@gmail.com wrote:

A friend of mine has a neighbor who has stuck a small video camera in his bedroom window to spy on the friend's yard. The problem is in clear view of the camera is the friend's 14 year old daughter's bedroom window. The neighbor claims that the friend is running an illegal business out of his home and the camera is there to try to catch him at it. My friend hasn't tried to get the state police involved yet but the local town cops won't do anything about it.

Anyway I had an idea. I keep a small B&W TV camera in the shop connected to a monitor which I use to check IR remote transmitters. When I hold a suspect remote a few feet from the camera and operate it the camera is essentially "blinded" by the otherwise invisible infrared pulse train. Can something like this be done cost effectively but naturally on a much larger scale to blind Bozo's camera? My friend got pissed off one night and sat there with a laser pointer directed at this camera for a couple of hours. Although it didn't resolve the problem, it did bring the cops down to advise my friend that he couldn't do that without violating the neighbors privacy! Makes you question the definition of "freedom". The distance looks to be about 200 feet. Thanks, Lenny.

The guy has a small one car garage in which he is licensed by the town to do state inspections on vehicles. This is not a big operation in any sense of the word. For some unknown reason, (possibly some unfounded concerns about noise, or perhaps because he is unfortunate to have a prick for a neighbor who can't seem to mind his own fucking business) he is not permitted to do any repairs on any vehicles, just inspections. Russ has actually fired up his compressor and walked towards his neighbors house and noticed that long before he reaches the property line the effect of road noise and distance squared makes the compressor just about inaudible.

If one considers how utterly ridiculous this really is in another sense though, how can the guy even run his business at all? Technically if a car fails inspection for a tail light being out is he supposed to send him on his way without being able to fix it himself? The camera supposedly is supposed to catch him doing the repairs which will invariably be connected with many of those failed inspections. It would seem to me that the town is condoning this asshole trying to put my friend out of business.

In a sense I like the TV station route. And we have a local ABC affiliate 20 miles from here. However on the other hand no one wants to be put under a microscope either and I suspect that would be inevitable. Whether he's trying to get a peek at the daughter is questionable however she shouldn't have to be concerned about that. Even if his only target is the yard I feel that it still could be looked at as spying. At the least a peeping Tom.

When we bought our house I had two pre requisites. Very simply, adequate elevation for TV and two way radio, and no neighbors. That was 36 years ago and so glad that I can still walk out of my back door (bare ass if I want to) and just barely see my neighbors house through the woods. Lenny

 

[Tim R]

On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 7:43:21 AM UTC-4, captainvi...@gmail.com wrote:

The guy has a small one car garage in which he is licensed by the town to do state inspections on vehicles. This is not a big operation in any sense of the word. For some unknown reason, (possibly some unfounded concerns about noise, or perhaps because he is unfortunate to have a prick for a neighbor who can't seem to mind his own fucking business) he is not permitted to do any repairs on any vehicles, just inspections.

So. He's running a commercial business in an area zoned residential, and the powers that be are nice enough to look the other way and let him do inspections as long as he doesn't turn it into a repair operation.

But he doesn't want his neighbor seeing what he's really doing? Really? Seems like if he IS following the agreement, the neighbor's camera would back him up. I think he's trying to get away with pushing the envelope here.

There's two sides to every story, and the neighbor MIGHT be a prick, but this guy doesn't sound completely innocent either.

 

There are some technicalities here. This guy is in a tricky spot. If he wants to do repairs there are certain things he has to do because there is no Constitution. First of all he made a mistake going into any business with the government on any level but that is beside the point, just worth noting.

If he does an inspection, due to all the regulations connected with that, it is most likely that he would have to do any repairs either outside of the area used for the inspections or during hours the area is not used for inspections. Under thoise conditions he is not operating in commerce (even if he charges) and they probably won't do anything, mainly because under those condituions he woud have a valid defense. They don't like to lose so if they got a good chance of losing they do nothing.

However, the city could have been a prick when issuing the permit stating that no part of the parcel of property can be used for auto repairs. If he signed anything like that he is contractually obligated. At that point he has to weigh just what the certification for inspections is worth. I have known backyard mechanics who made two grand a week under the table.

I would imagine that the ban in repairs by an inspection facility is ostensibly to prevent abuse by the inspectors. they could bullshit the customer and say this is wrong and that is wrong and rake them over the coals with the repair bill, them believing the repairs were mandatory.

Here's a good kicker - if he takes deductions on his taxes for upkeep and property taxes for the inspection station, that is only a portion of his total property. As such ONLY the area used for that particular activity is undert those regulations. If he wants to do repairs he should build a second garage fro that. then they got noting to say.

There have been laws in places stating that you are not allowed to work on cars on residential property but none of them hold water. Ironically Detroit, Michican had such an ordinance but it is as dead as the death penalty for auto theft. (Chicago a long time ago)

At this point I am curious as to the geographical location of this. Some states are different than others. And in so many ways. To get really specific you have to get into exactly what that permit saysthe zoning, even the state constitution,

Law is a pain in the ass. I've dealt with altogether to much of it in my life and at this point I am done. Seriously, I will not sign anything. In fact I work for cash. I am done dealing with those fucks, because let's face it, this prick neighbor is enabled by "law" to harrass sonmeone tryong to make a goddam living. And that's what they do, and he is one of theoir little spies who doesn't realize they are the type destroying this country, thinking everything needs to be approved n shit. Fuck all that, and one day, when I snap, gime this guy's address. If I pull a Thelma and Louise I'll stop by and have a shoirt talk with the guy.

Just like the asshole in Independence, Ohioo whgo called on a neighbor for having a jetski in the driveway. the cops should have laughged their asses off, but nope.

And it is all a money game. Watch and see if the shit hits the fan for your buddy. I BET YOU MY LEFT NUT that he could be allowed to do repairs if he paid more fees.

 

[micky]

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 04:43:19 -0700 (PDT), captainvideo462009@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 11:21:58 PM UTC-4, captainvi...@gmail.com wrote:
A friend of mine has a neighbor who has stuck a small video camera in his bedroom window to spy on the friend's yard. The problem is in clear view of the camera is the friend's 14 year old daughter's bedroom window. The neighbor claims that the friend is running an illegal business out of his home and the camera is there to try to catch him at it. My friend hasn't tried to get the state police involved yet but the local town cops won't do anything about it.

Anyway I had an idea. I keep a small B&W TV camera in the shop connected to a monitor which I use to check IR remote transmitters. When I hold a suspect remote a few feet from the camera and operate it the camera is essentially "blinded" by the otherwise invisible infrared pulse train. Can something like this be done cost effectively but naturally on a much larger scale to blind Bozo's camera? My friend got pissed off one night and sat there with a laser pointer directed at this camera for a couple of hours. Although it didn't resolve the problem, it did bring the cops down to advise my friend that he couldn't do that without violating the neighbors privacy! Makes you question the definition of "freedom". The distance looks to be about 200 feet. Thanks, Lenny.

The guy has a small one car garage in which he is licensed by the town to do state inspections on vehicles. This is not a big operation in any sense of the word. For some unknown reason, (possibly some unfounded concerns about noise, or perhaps because he is unfortunate to have a prick for a neighbor who can't seem to mind his own fucking business)

Or because zoning, which was in place for years or decades before any of
this started, prohibits a repair shop.

> he is not permitted to do any repairs on any vehicles, just inspections. Russ has actually fired up his compressor and walked towards his neighbors house and noticed that long before he reaches the property line the effect of road noise and distance squared makes the compressor just about inaudible.

A) You're assuming here that noise is THE reason. I don't want
anyone running an annoying business in my residential n'hood. Once
every few years, someone leaves a flyer in my mailbox about a daycare or
cosmetic business, or a massage business (genuine massage, not
prostitution) that they are conducting in their townhouse (I live in a
townhouse too, fairly close to all the others.) I've never objected to
any of these things, I don't know if they meet zoning requirements or
not (and I don't care as long as they don't annoy me) , but I save the
fliers and if any were to annoy me substantially -- perhaps one would
become very successful with lots of car and foot traffic -- I might
look into whether it is legal. So I save all the fliers for starter
evidence if I ever want to complain.

B) People often make the argument that even though the law prohibits
something, it shouldn't apply to my situation. It woudl be nice if
every situation could be examined in detail and just the right ruling
made, and I know one legal system where that is the goal, where each
case is decided on its own, although even that one has a rule which
applies sometimes which states "no exceptions". But most legal systems
have general rules that are meant to work most of the time.

C) The way to make exceptions here is to keep the neighbors happy.

>If one considers how utterly ridiculous this really is in another sense though, how can the guy even run his business at all? Technically if a car fails inspection for a tail light being out is he supposed to send him on his way without being able to fix it himself?

Maybe he can't. Maybe the idea was a bad one.

>The camera supposedly is supposed to catch him doing the repairs which will invariably be connected with many of those failed inspections. It would seem to me that the town is condoning this asshole trying to put my friend out of business.

I don't see how you can say that. If for whatever reason your friend F
is not allowed to repair cars, if his neighbor N is watching with a
camera to make sure he doesn't repair cars, then he's helping the county
enforce the law.

If F has an inspection station in a place where repairs are not
permitted, it's as if he made a mistake where he estabilished his
inspection station. That's his problem and it's not the n'hood which
has to ignore the zoning or whatever so that F can run a repair business
where it's not permitted.

It's likely at one time he had a shop in an area where it was zoned for
repairs and inspection, and for one of many reasons he closed the shop
and started working at home. I had my convertible top replaced
several years ago by a guy like that, who IIRC had a top shop in a
typical manufacturing or business area, or near gas stations and shops,
perhaps on a business street near a residential area, but where it was
permitted. He got old and wanted to semi-retire but wanted to work a
few hours a week doing convertible tops from his garage. So he does.

Whether he is zoned for this, I don't know. In circumstances like this,
it's more important to keep one's neighbors happy than it is to obey the
zoning law. An uphholstery and convertible top shop doesn't emit any
nozious gases or make much noise. An electric staple gun or a tack
hammer is the loudest thing there. And I'm sure he starts after the
neighbors are up and quits before the first one goes to bed.

Assuming his shop is not permitted by law, perhaps his neighbors on
either side and across the street are very laid back, or they were
friends for years when he had his other location, or he does free work
for them on their cars, or homes. When none of that works, the
universal medium of exchange is money, and maybe he pays some of them
100 dollars a year to not complain about something that doesn't really
bother them anyhow.

I grew up in a house on a pretty large lot, but I learned by the time I
was 21 that if my roommates and I were having a party, the best way to
avoid complaints by neighbors, perhaps for making too much noise too
late, is to invite them to the party. Even if they don't come,
they'll like you a lot better and are far far far less likely to
complain about the noise.

So off the bat without knowing more, I'd suggest F should work on
de-escalating the situation, instead of the opposite as your inquiry
about interfering with his camera suggested. Maybe he can offer to
do some car repairs for the N. Maybe he can bake them a pie or
cake, or buy one, and bring it over as a peace offering. Because
you've made it sound like N has the law on his side, wrt not running a
repair business. So it woudl be nice if they got along, whether the
neighbor relents on the business or not.

>In a sense I like the TV station route. And we have a local ABC affiliate 20 miles from here. However on the other hand no one wants to be put under a microscope either and I suspect that would be inevitable. Whether he's trying to get a peek at the daughter is questionable however she shouldn't have to be concerned about that.

Where do you get the crazy idea she shouldn't have to be concerned?
One of the first things a mother is supposed to teach her daughter is to
close the shades. Starting I would guess when the girl is 4 or 5
years** old, well before puberty so it seems like it's not about sex but
about privacy. Does she have a mother or an aunt or grandmother? If
not or if they're falling down on the job, it's up to the father and
even though he is 5 or 10 years late, it's not too late. "A proper
young woman shuts the shades when she is undressed or changing her
clothes."


**Starting when, I'm not quite sure. When she is old enough to take a
bath by herself, or even maybe get undressed by herself, or whenever
she's old enough to reach the string that controls the shades or blinds.
By the time she's 14, she can probably do all these things.

> Even if his only target is the yard I feel that it still could be looked at as spying. At the least a peeping Tom.

Peeping Toms sneak up to the house and kneel down next to the window so
they can look under the shade. What your friend is doing is raising an
exhibitionist. If he's not careful, he'll also make her into a whining
trouble-maker who causes trouble and then blames other people.

>When we bought our house I had two pre requisites. Very simply, adequate elevation for TV and two way radio, and no neighbors. That was 36 years ago and so glad that I can still walk out of my back door (bare ass if I want to) and just barely see my neighbors house through the woods.

So you've gone at least 36 years without any experience on knowing how
to behave when one has nearby neighbors. You're not the one to be
giving your friend advice.


> Lenny

 

[micky]

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 09:33:38 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

He got old and wanted to semi-retire but wanted to work a
few hours a week doing convertible tops from his garage. So he does.

From the two-car garage that is in back of the house where he lives.

 

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 11:21:58 PM UTC-4, captainvi...@gmail.com wrote:

A friend of mine has a neighbor who has stuck a small video camera in his bedroom window to spy on the friend's yard. The problem is in clear view of the camera is the friend's 14 year old daughter's bedroom window. The neighbor claims that the friend is running an illegal business out of his home and the camera is there to try to catch him at it. My friend hasn't tried to get the state police involved yet but the local town cops won't do anything about it.

Anyway I had an idea. I keep a small B&W TV camera in the shop connected to a monitor which I use to check IR remote transmitters. When I hold a suspect remote a few feet from the camera and operate it the camera is essentially "blinded" by the otherwise invisible infrared pulse train. Can something like this be done cost effectively but naturally on a much larger scale to blind Bozo's camera? My friend got pissed off one night and sat there with a laser pointer directed at this camera for a couple of hours. Although it didn't resolve the problem, it did bring the cops down to advise my friend that he couldn't do that without violating the neighbors privacy! Makes you question the definition of "freedom". The distance looks to be about 200 feet. Thanks, Lenny.

I said that I "could" walk out bare ass. I didn't say that I do. And yes after 69 years I think I can recognize a trouble maker and an asshole. But YOU have a better Idea. Bake a pie? Buy him a cake? Why don't you come over and kiss his ass too while you're at it. Are you fucking nuts? Lenny