Cable Modem Help

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 11:34:22 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 10/05/2016 02:55 AM, Andy wrote:
Seeing the problems you have faced i can understand why you get fed up with
the cable company.
Some states have no problems with speeds ect others seem to have no end to
them.


In my neck of the woods Verizon can't find their keisters with two
hands, a map, radar etc., whereas Optimum is right on the ball. We
soldiered on with V. for a long time despite hours spent in call
forwarding purgatory that never resolved anything, billing snafus,
clueless office droids, and an apparent total lack of communication
between their residental and commercial operations. The only reason
that I did that was because I really wanted to keep the copper POTS for
use during blackouts. I finally decided that I didn't trust an
operation that clueless to know how to run a legacy central office
battery system, so that the whole thing was sort of moot.

In 5 years with Optimum I've had exactly one trouble. Within half an
hour, they had somebody on my premises who actually knew what he was
doing, with an apprentice in tow learning the ropes. Fifteen minutes
later they had it patched (reprovisioned somehow so that I had 25/5 Mbps
again) and the trouble outside was fixed the same day. A couple of
times a year, V. sends salesmen to visit, and I try very hard to
restrain my impulse to greet them with howls of derisive laughter, not
totally successfully.
Click to expand...

About like the Direct TV droids who accost me in stores. I tell them,
loudly, that their service sucks so bad that even as bad as AT&T has
been, it's worlds better than DTV. ...and I get Netflix now.
 
On 10/5/2016 11:34 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 10/05/2016 02:55 AM, Andy wrote:
Seeing the problems you have faced i can understand why you get fed up
with
the cable company.
Some states have no problems with speeds ect others seem to have no
end to
them.


In my neck of the woods Verizon can't find their keisters with two
hands, a map, radar etc., whereas Optimum is right on the ball. We
soldiered on with V. for a long time despite hours spent in call
forwarding purgatory that never resolved anything, billing snafus,
clueless office droids, and an apparent total lack of communication
between their residental and commercial operations. The only reason
that I did that was because I really wanted to keep the copper POTS for
use during blackouts. I finally decided that I didn't trust an
operation that clueless to know how to run a legacy central office
battery system, so that the whole thing was sort of moot.

In 5 years with Optimum I've had exactly one trouble. Within half an
hour, they had somebody on my premises who actually knew what he was
doing, with an apprentice in tow learning the ropes. Fifteen minutes
later they had it patched (reprovisioned somehow so that I had 25/5 Mbps
again) and the trouble outside was fixed the same day. A couple of
times a year, V. sends salesmen to visit, and I try very hard to
restrain my impulse to greet them with howls of derisive laughter, not
totally successfully.
Click to expand...

I checked out Optimum, but they don't seem to offer service anywhere I
live. Are they just in the greater NY area? Seems they are just New
Jersey, Bronx, Connecticut, Long Island. Their web site is hard to get
info from. No prices for internet service and no mention of limits, etc.

--

Rick C
 
On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:45:10 -0400, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:


About like the Direct TV droids who accost me in stores. I tell them,
loudly, that their service sucks so bad that even as bad as AT&T has
been, it's worlds better than DTV. ...and I get Netflix now.
Click to expand...

What don't you like about Direct TV? I've been using them for the last
few months, and so far they've been fine.
 
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 11:34:22 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 10/05/2016 02:55 AM, Andy wrote:
Seeing the problems you have faced i can understand why you get fed up with
the cable company.
Some states have no problems with speeds ect others seem to have no end to
them.


In my neck of the woods Verizon can't find their keisters with two
hands, a map, radar etc., whereas Optimum is right on the ball. We
soldiered on with V. for a long time despite hours spent in call
forwarding purgatory that never resolved anything, billing snafus,
clueless office droids, and an apparent total lack of communication
between their residental and commercial operations. The only reason
that I did that was because I really wanted to keep the copper POTS for
use during blackouts. I finally decided that I didn't trust an
operation that clueless to know how to run a legacy central office
battery system, so that the whole thing was sort of moot.

In 5 years with Optimum I've had exactly one trouble. Within half an
hour, they had somebody on my premises who actually knew what he was
doing, with an apprentice in tow learning the ropes. Fifteen minutes
later they had it patched (reprovisioned somehow so that I had 25/5 Mbps
again) and the trouble outside was fixed the same day. A couple of
times a year, V. sends salesmen to visit, and I try very hard to
restrain my impulse to greet them with howls of derisive laughter, not
totally successfully.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...

We have Suddenlink in Truckee, cable TV and internet, but there's an
ongoing problem:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Truckee/Cable_Chewed.jpg

Squirrels eat the cables. That doesn't sound very appetizing to me.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 16:29:23 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:45:10 -0400, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:


About like the Direct TV droids who accost me in stores. I tell them,
loudly, that their service sucks so bad that even as bad as AT&T has
been, it's worlds better than DTV. ...and I get Netflix now.


What don't you like about Direct TV? I've been using them for the last
few months, and so far they've been fine.
Click to expand...

Dropout every time a cloud rolls by (not quite that bad, but...). They
promised that they could fix that but never did. Surly
representatives. Charging for the repair of *their* equipment. Cost.
There wasn't much to recommend them, other than they were the only
game in town (had similar issues with DISH at the previous house).
 
Verizon is my area is wireless only now for about 10 years.
sold it's land line business to Fair Point Commutations.
I still use a POTS land line as time warner cable aka spectrum's digital
phone service works 90% of the time the rest is system maintenance with no
warnings.
or just goes down when it feels like it.
I told them when digital phone is 100% reliable like fair point's service is
then we can talk.
I am looking at a deal from Verizon wireless for its version of digital
phone for $19.95 a month unlimited use and FREE long distance.
its a phone modem like time warner cables BUT unlike timewarner cables it
has a 5 Day BATTERY BACK UP built in.
twc does not seem to care its losing its subscribers to Verizon big time in
Maine any way:)
the same day. A couple of times
a year, V. sends salesmen to visit, and I try very hard to restrain my
impulse to greet them with howls of derisive laughter, not totally
successfully.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
Click to expand...
 
John Larkin wrote:
We had AT&T DSL and phone service. The DSL was terrible and the phone
was expensive. We got Comcast cable and DSL, and phone service is
"free" but we had to rent the cable modem/phone box for something like
$5 a month, a fraction of the cost of AT&T landline service. We use
our own WiFi router. We kept our phone number and it works great.

The Comcast data speed keeps going up. It's about 130 mbits now.
Click to expand...

In the NYC area I can't seem to get any option for data without a phone
line and its taxes.
 
You are right the sales man should be on youre side after all he or she is
trying to make a sale.
I find the worst sales staff is at best buy in my area any ways and
Wal-Mart.
its funny when you show them a print out off the company's own web site
saying the features ect and they say oh well that must be the online model:)
now i just go find what i want and buy it.
but to be fair there are a lot of knowledgeable sales staff in both stores
to AT TIMES:)


--
AL'S COMPUTERS
"FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
news:nt2taq$5tp$1@news.albasani.net...
Same here, except I got a WiFi "SurfBoard" model.

While I was at it, I had mentioned that a cable modem wasn't really a
modem after he asked me if I needed a modem. I had already given him that
"apprmodems list so they
cant
refuse to support it:)


YES>>>Motorola makes almost all of the modems sold to Comcast (and
prolly Spectrum as well).
Model brand names vary,but they is the same beast, so if what you buy
on the net is the same exact brand and model that they use,then they
HAVE TO have it on their approved list; they cannot dis their own stuff.
$100 for your own modem and no $10/mo gives a 10 month ROI; no
brainer.
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I tell them NO THANKS my land lord DOES NOT ALLOW SATELLITE TV in his
buildings:)
shuts them up fast.
I talked to one i feel bad for them they are paied well but are told to try
to sell sell to every one that walks past them.
I could not do it 8 hours a day 5 days a week not for a service i don't
believe in.


--
AL'S COMPUTERS
"krw" <krw@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:mrlavb52nptjemm341bafnjp85dn8h1bnq@4ax.com...
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 11:34:22 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 10/05/2016 02:55 AM, Andy wrote:
Seeing the problems you have faced i can understand why you get fed up
with
the cable company.
Some states have no problems with speeds ect others seem to have no end
to
them.


In my neck of the woods Verizon can't find their keisters with two
hands, a map, radar etc., whereas Optimum is right on the ball. We
soldiered on with V. for a long time despite hours spent in call
forwarding purgatory that never resolved anything, billing snafus,
clueless office droids, and an apparent total lack of communication
between their residental and commercial operations. The only reason
that I did that was because I really wanted to keep the copper POTS for
use during blackouts. I finally decided that I didn't trust an
operation that clueless to know how to run a legacy central office
battery system, so that the whole thing was sort of moot.

In 5 years with Optimum I've had exactly one trouble. Within half an
hour, they had somebody on my premises who actually knew what he was
doing, with an apprentice in tow learning the ropes. Fifteen minutes
later they had it patched (reprovisioned somehow so that I had 25/5 Mbps
again) and the trouble outside was fixed the same day. A couple of
times a year, V. sends salesmen to visit, and I try very hard to
restrain my impulse to greet them with howls of derisive laughter, not
totally successfully.

About like the Direct TV droids who accost me in stores. I tell them,
loudly, that their service sucks so bad that even as bad as AT&T has
been, it's worlds better than DTV. ...and I get Netflix now.
Click to expand...
 
Works fine in some areas ken.
in my area i hear complaints about them all the time.
one of my friends just dumped them for time warner cable and he gets the
same channels and his digital phone and internet with more speed then direct
TV for over 100 bucks less.


--
AL'S COMPUTERS
"Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote in message
news:743bvb5nua9m4to3bj2c4qjskg7a5823am@4ax.com...
On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:45:10 -0400, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:


About like the Direct TV droids who accost me in stores. I tell them,
loudly, that their service sucks so bad that even as bad as AT&T has
been, it's worlds better than DTV. ...and I get Netflix now.
Click to expand...

What don't you like about Direct TV? I've been using them for the last
few months, and so far they've been fine.
 
The second part of youre post Phil was not mine i was replying to the
original poster
my post ends after the talk about channel bonding.
when you see the same hear that is the other posters reply to mine:)
I have a nice netgear wireless router but at present i don't use it.
when i get around to it ill hook it up and use for my lap top:)


--
AL'S COMPUTERS
"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
news:e74fea71-b518-6e35-495b-de7c6854798f@electrooptical.net...
On 10/05/2016 08:56 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:

After serious thinking Andy wrote :
Exactly why i OWN my own modem.
The day i got the notice in the mail about 2 or 3 years ago in Maine.
I went out and bought my own Motorola modem off the approved list got
the best one that DID NOT have wireless i don't use it .
and love the savings and the speeds as they allow channel bonding in
my area any ways so i get double the normal download speeds most of
the time.
Same here, except I got a WiFi "SurfBoard" model.

While I was at it, I had mentioned that a cable modem wasn't really a
modem after he asked me if I needed a modem. I had already given him
that "approved" list provided by Time Warner Cable for compatibility
with their system. They, of course, call them all cable modems.

He argued with me! Right or wrong, salesmen shouldn't argue with
customers. Cable modems have more in common with TV transceivers than
they do with modems. I asked him if a smartphone was a modem, and he
said no.

You run WiFi right off your cable modem? With no separate firewall? I
expect your other hobbies are bungee jumping, motorcycle racing, and
free-climbing, right?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
Click to expand...
 
Andy pretended :
You are right the sales man should be on youre side after all he or she is
trying to make a sale.
I find the worst sales staff is at best buy in my area any ways and Wal-Mart.
its funny when you show them a print out off the company's own web site
saying the features ect and they say oh well that must be the online model:)
now i just go find what i want and buy it.
but to be fair there are a lot of knowledgeable sales staff in both stores
to AT TIMES:)
Click to expand...

That experience was at "Staples" which I already knew were less than
completely savvy. They were pretty helpful on the sales end though. I
was a bit surprised when the saleman told us on the 'down low' that we
could get the warranty and if the computer broke, even trivially, we
could run it over with our car and they would completely replace it
with no questions asked.

Could I get that in writing? LOL
 
On 10/05/2016 02:45 PM, krw wrote:

[snip]

About like the Direct TV droids who accost me in stores. I tell them,
loudly, that their service sucks so bad that even as bad as AT&T has
been, it's worlds better than DTV. ...and I get Netflix now.
Click to expand...

I used to have DTV. One of the main reasons I quit was the very poor
customer service. One of the last times I contacted them was to say the
problem was fixed (finally, and probably not because I contacted them).
They responded to that by messing up my online account AGAIN. Once when
I called about the new HD DVR, the "customer service representative"
asked my how many mushrooms are on my dish.

As to cable modems, I agree that the modem should be separate from a
router/Wifi device. One reason is that the modem really belongs to the
ISP (even if you bought it) and the router is a part of YOUR network and
you should have control over it. I wouldn't expect to be able to put
DD-WRT on one of those combinations.

--
80 days until the winter celebration (Sunday December 25, 2016 12:00:00
AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The cosmos is interesting rather than perfect, and everything is not
part of some greater plan, nor is all necessarily under control."
[Starhawk]
 
On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 02:28:15 -0400, "Andy" <N@n.com> wrote:

Verizon is my area is wireless only now for about 10 years.
sold it's land line business to Fair Point Commutations.
I still use a POTS land line as time warner cable aka spectrum's digital
phone service works 90% of the time the rest is system maintenance with no
warnings.
or just goes down when it feels like it.
I told them when digital phone is 100% reliable like fair point's service is
then we can talk.
twc does not seem to care its losing its subscribers to Verizon big time in
Maine any way:)
Click to expand...

Ironic, given all of the times that you bragged about TWC service in
Maine being the best in the country, rock solid, zero outages, etc.

I am looking at a deal from Verizon wireless for its version of digital
phone for $19.95 a month unlimited use and FREE long distance.
its a phone modem like time warner cables BUT unlike timewarner cables it
has a 5 Day BATTERY BACK UP built in.
Click to expand...

You could probably do a whole lot better by picking up a cheap ATA, such
as an Obi-100 or Ooma, then using Google Voice which is free and
includes unlimited free domestic long distance.

--

Char Jackson
 
On 10/05/2016 07:39 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 11:34:22 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 10/05/2016 02:55 AM, Andy wrote:
Seeing the problems you have faced i can understand why you get fed up with
the cable company.
Some states have no problems with speeds ect others seem to have no end to
them.


In my neck of the woods Verizon can't find their keisters with two
hands, a map, radar etc., whereas Optimum is right on the ball. We
soldiered on with V. for a long time despite hours spent in call
forwarding purgatory that never resolved anything, billing snafus,
clueless office droids, and an apparent total lack of communication
between their residental and commercial operations. The only reason
that I did that was because I really wanted to keep the copper POTS for
use during blackouts. I finally decided that I didn't trust an
operation that clueless to know how to run a legacy central office
battery system, so that the whole thing was sort of moot.

In 5 years with Optimum I've had exactly one trouble. Within half an
hour, they had somebody on my premises who actually knew what he was
doing, with an apprentice in tow learning the ropes. Fifteen minutes
later they had it patched (reprovisioned somehow so that I had 25/5 Mbps
again) and the trouble outside was fixed the same day. A couple of
times a year, V. sends salesmen to visit, and I try very hard to
restrain my impulse to greet them with howls of derisive laughter, not
totally successfully.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

We have Suddenlink in Truckee, cable TV and internet, but there's an
ongoing problem:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Truckee/Cable_Chewed.jpg

Squirrels eat the cables. That doesn't sound very appetizing to me.
Click to expand...
Hanbury Brown had a similar problem with birds in the Outback. His
solution was to wrap the cables in roofing felt. YMMV.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 20:28:59 -0400, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 16:29:23 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:45:10 -0400, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:


About like the Direct TV droids who accost me in stores. I tell them,
loudly, that their service sucks so bad that even as bad as AT&T has
been, it's worlds better than DTV. ...and I get Netflix now.


What don't you like about Direct TV? I've been using them for the last
few months, and so far they've been fine.

Dropout every time a cloud rolls by (not quite that bad, but...). They
promised that they could fix that but never did.
Click to expand...

As I said, I've had only a little experience with them, but I've never
had a problem anything like that. The only dropout we've had was for
about ten minutes during a severe thunderstorm.


Surly
representatives. Charging for the repair of *their* equipment.
Click to expand...

I've had no experience with either (except for the man who installed
it, and he was very pleasant and helpful).


Cost.
Click to expand...

Our only alternative is Comcast, and they are substantially less
expensive than Comcast.
 
On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 08:34:51 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 20:28:59 -0400, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 16:29:23 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:45:10 -0400, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:


About like the Direct TV droids who accost me in stores. I tell them,
loudly, that their service sucks so bad that even as bad as AT&T has
been, it's worlds better than DTV. ...and I get Netflix now.


What don't you like about Direct TV? I've been using them for the last
few months, and so far they've been fine.

Dropout every time a cloud rolls by (not quite that bad, but...). They
promised that they could fix that but never did.


As I said, I've had only a little experience with them, but I've never
had a problem anything like that. The only dropout we've had was for
about ten minutes during a severe thunderstorm.


Surly
representatives. Charging for the repair of *their* equipment.


I've had no experience with either (except for the man who installed
it, and he was very pleasant and helpful).


Cost.


Our only alternative is Comcast, and they are substantially less
expensive than Comcast.
Click to expand...

Are you comparing teaser rates to normal rates? AT&T was about the
same price as DTV but includes Internet. DSL was more than $50/mo and
while neither is perfectly reliable, the fiber is better and 50x
faster than DSL.
 
krw wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 08:34:51 -0700, Ken Blake<Ken@invalid.news.com
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 20:28:59 -0400, krw<krw@nowhere.com> wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 16:29:23 -0700, Ken Blake<Ken@invalid.news.com
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:45:10 -0400, krw<krw@nowhere.com> wrote:


About like the Direct TV droids who accost me in stores. I tell them,
loudly, that their service sucks so bad that even as bad as AT&T has
been, it's worlds better than DTV. ...and I get Netflix now.


What don't you like about Direct TV? I've been using them for the last
few months, and so far they've been fine.

Dropout every time a cloud rolls by (not quite that bad, but...). They
promised that they could fix that but never did.


As I said, I've had only a little experience with them, but I've never
had a problem anything like that. The only dropout we've had was for
about ten minutes during a severe thunderstorm.


Surly
representatives. Charging for the repair of *their* equipment.


I've had no experience with either (except for the man who installed
it, and he was very pleasant and helpful).


Cost.


Our only alternative is Comcast, and they are substantially less
expensive than Comcast.

Are you comparing teaser rates to normal rates? AT&T was about the
same price as DTV but includes Internet. DSL was more than $50/mo and
while neither is perfectly reliable, the fiber is better and 50x
faster than DSL.
Click to expand...
I do not think that there are any "teaser" rates; now advertized
rates is anther story.
Those are always bullshit, since all of the taxes and fees are
studiously not included.
Actual cost is always about double the ad rates.
 
On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 03:19:07 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 08:34:51 -0700, Ken Blake<Ken@invalid.news.com
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 20:28:59 -0400, krw<krw@nowhere.com> wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 16:29:23 -0700, Ken Blake<Ken@invalid.news.com
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:45:10 -0400, krw<krw@nowhere.com> wrote:


About like the Direct TV droids who accost me in stores. I tell them,
loudly, that their service sucks so bad that even as bad as AT&T has
been, it's worlds better than DTV. ...and I get Netflix now.


What don't you like about Direct TV? I've been using them for the last
few months, and so far they've been fine.

Dropout every time a cloud rolls by (not quite that bad, but...). They
promised that they could fix that but never did.


As I said, I've had only a little experience with them, but I've never
had a problem anything like that. The only dropout we've had was for
about ten minutes during a severe thunderstorm.


Surly
representatives. Charging for the repair of *their* equipment.


I've had no experience with either (except for the man who installed
it, and he was very pleasant and helpful).


Cost.


Our only alternative is Comcast, and they are substantially less
expensive than Comcast.

Are you comparing teaser rates to normal rates? AT&T was about the
same price as DTV but includes Internet. DSL was more than $50/mo and
while neither is perfectly reliable, the fiber is better and 50x
faster than DSL.
I do not think that there are any "teaser" rates; now advertized
rates is anther story.
Click to expand...

You're wrong, of course.

Those are always bullshit, since all of the taxes and fees are
studiously not included.
Click to expand...

Irrelevant.

> Actual cost is always about double the ad rates.

No.
 
krw wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 03:19:07 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 08:34:51 -0700, Ken Blake<Ken@invalid.news.com
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 20:28:59 -0400, krw<krw@nowhere.com> wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 16:29:23 -0700, Ken Blake<Ken@invalid.news.com
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:45:10 -0400, krw<krw@nowhere.com> wrote:


About like the Direct TV droids who accost me in stores. I tell them,
loudly, that their service sucks so bad that even as bad as AT&T has
been, it's worlds better than DTV. ...and I get Netflix now.


What don't you like about Direct TV? I've been using them for the last
few months, and so far they've been fine.

Dropout every time a cloud rolls by (not quite that bad, but...). They
promised that they could fix that but never did.


As I said, I've had only a little experience with them, but I've never
had a problem anything like that. The only dropout we've had was for
about ten minutes during a severe thunderstorm.


Surly
representatives. Charging for the repair of *their* equipment.


I've had no experience with either (except for the man who installed
it, and he was very pleasant and helpful).


Cost.


Our only alternative is Comcast, and they are substantially less
expensive than Comcast.

Are you comparing teaser rates to normal rates? AT&T was about the
same price as DTV but includes Internet. DSL was more than $50/mo and
while neither is perfectly reliable, the fiber is better and 50x
faster than DSL.
I do not think that there are any "teaser" rates; now advertized
rates is anther story.

You're wrong, of course.

Those are always bullshit, since all of the taxes and fees are
studiously not included.

Irrelevant.

Actual cost is always about double the ad rates.

No.
Dew tell; give *one* verifiable example.
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EVERY ad i have seen: throw-away fliers (Comcast,Dish) in mailbox,
ads from provider (Comcast in my case), newspaper blow-in ads, etc wave
banners about "ONLY" blah blah and 6 point multi-liner that talks about
(BUT NO QUOTES) taxes, fees, installation, etc.
Give us an example where the rate quoted is correct (or even in the
ballpark).
 
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