Breaking: SCIENTISTS: THE CORONAVIRUS HAS ALREADY MUTATED IN

Cursitor Doom <cd@not4mail.com> wrote in
news:r80vnb$3hc$1@dont-email.me:

Sounds like something out of Monty Python, but was actually used
most famously in France in the late 1340s to make a crude
bio-weapon out of the Black Death which was contemporaneously
sweeping across Europe.

NONE shall fling!

 

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 07:50:32 +0100, Jeff Layman
<jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 24/04/20 05:14, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 10:21:42 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 16:56:34 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 1:42:55 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
"One strain, for example, appeared to generate 270 times the viral load — meaning the infected person produces 270 times as much of the virus— than the least potent strain."

That sounds like good news -- they've already identified a mild strain.
If it's weak enough, that's almost a vaccine right there.

News now is that smoking is protective against coronavirus.

But if you get infected anyway, the damage smoking has done to your lungs makes you more likely to die of it.

Granting John Larkin's gullibility, this is probably propaganda being circulated by pro-tobacco fake news industry. They long since moved over to telling us that climate change wasn't real, but some of the veterans may be having a nostalgia trip.

I was surprised at this and more than a little sceptical, but there
seems to be some science behind it - at least concerning the role of
nicotinic acetylcholine receptors:
https://www.qeios.com/read/article/581

If I linked to Conservation of Energy, Sloman would call me gullible.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 12:51:18 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 07:50:32 +0100, Jeff Layman
jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 24/04/20 05:14, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 10:21:42 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 16:56:34 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 1:42:55 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail..com wrote:
"One strain, for example, appeared to generate 270 times the viral load — meaning the infected person produces 270 times as much of the virus— than the least potent strain."

That sounds like good news -- they've already identified a mild strain.
If it's weak enough, that's almost a vaccine right there.

News now is that smoking is protective against coronavirus.

But if you get infected anyway, the damage smoking has done to your lungs makes you more likely to die of it.

Granting John Larkin's gullibility, this is probably propaganda being circulated by pro-tobacco fake news industry. They long since moved over to telling us that climate change wasn't real, but some of the veterans may be having a nostalgia trip.

I was surprised at this and more than a little sceptical, but there
seems to be some science behind it - at least concerning the role of
nicotinic acetylcholine receptors:
https://www.qeios.com/read/article/581

If I linked to Conservation of Energy, Sloman would call me gullible.

John Larkin frequently exhibits gullibility, and I often point this out.

Sadly, he's not got any capacity for critical thinking at all, and imagines that it's just tedious insults.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-25 05:26, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:17:14 -0700, dagmargoodboat wrote:

There's an old trope that Americans used the trick to wipe out the
Indians, but it's not true. The one recorded incident of contaminated
blanket-passing was in 1763, years before the revolution. British
troops, besieged at Fort Pitt, tossed small-pox contaminated blankets
over the fort's wall, hoping to decimate their foe, but there's no
evidence the attempt succeeded.

Far more effective was using trebuchets to launch recently deceased
plague victims over castle walls to infect those holding out against a
siege. Sounds like something out of Monty Python, but was actually used
most famously in France in the late 1340s to make a crude bio-weapon out
of the Black Death which was contemporaneously sweeping across Europe.

It was the Mongols who used that, iirc.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 9:17:18 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 6:43:46 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-23 18:37, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 10:42:55 AM UTC-7, bloggs.fre...@gmail..com wrote:
"One strain, for example, appeared to generate 270 times the viral load — meaning the infected person produces 270 times as much of the virus— than the least potent strain."

Whew- super bad news! For one thing that means a vaccine may not help

Not too bad; the knowledge of thirty strains that all seem viable is good news. That means
the vaccine designers have thirty examples of variations that their target
vaccine oughtt not depend on. Alternately, it could be fought with multiple
different vaccines; having a sample of each strain makes the testing
protocols for vaccines more reliable, as well.

We understood previous diseases more poorly, yet developed vaccines for them,
since the 1700s.


Which occasionally worked. The 18th C smallpox ingrafting thing was
done out of desperation--the Montagus found out about it from the Turks..

Taking pus from smallpox sores, carrying it in walnut shells under your
armpit, and then scratching it into the skin of presumably-vulnerable
people isn't the sort of thing you'd do as a normal precaution.

Most of the vaccines developed for the 1918 'flu were worthless.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

The Brits used small pox against the American revolutionaries in
the Revolutionary War. The British soldiers, coming from
densely-populated areas, were largely immune; the rural Americans
had often never been ten miles from the place of their birth, and
were susceptible. Epidemic laid the Continentals low.

Washington responded with a secret (and illegal) vaccination program,
variolation, which saved the day.

This is a fair account...
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2016/09/how_vaccination_helped_win_the_revolutionary_war.html

I don't believe a word of that.

There's an old trope that Americans used the trick to wipe out
the Indians, but it's not true. The one recorded incident of
contaminated blanket-passing was in 1763, years before the
revolution. British troops, besieged at Fort Pitt, tossed small-pox
contaminated blankets over the fort's wall, hoping to decimate their
foe, but there's no evidence the attempt succeeded.

That sounds suspiciously similar to what the Monguls did to attack an enclave of Italian merchants in the Crimea. Except in that case they used a catapult to launch bodies of bubonic plague victims over the fortress walls. The Italians evacuated by sea and brought the plague back to southern Italy. And the rest is history.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/9/01-0536_article

e.g.
https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets

Cheers,
James Arthur